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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:22 PM
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Obama Landslide: A Preliminary 2008 True Vote Projection
Edited on Fri May-23-08 06:48 PM by tiptoe
Obama 7159m landslide: Will it be denied in GE?
TruthIsAll     http://www.geocities.com/electionmodel/2008ElectionCalc...
May 17, 2008
The 2008 Election Calculator projects that Obama will win in a landslide: 7159m (54.144.7%). The model calculates the True Vote based on each candidates share of returning 2004 voters as well as those who did not vote in 2004. But the official Recorded Vote never reflects the True Vote.  Accordingly, we can expect that Obamas recorded margin will be closer to 6461m. The True Vote landslide will be denied due to election fraud, just like it was in the 2006 midterms, when the Democrats won 1020 more seats than official results indicate.  Obama is expected to do better than Kerry (who also won the True Vote) among blacks, Hispanics, new voters, moderate Republicans and Independents, but may not do as well with white Democrats.  The analysis is based on an estimate of total votes cast (including uncounted), but millions of (mostly Democratic) disenfranchised caged voters will never get to the polls. If they were allowed to vote, the landslide would be significantly greater than the projected 12 million True Vote margin.

In 2000 Al Gore won the Recorded Vote by 51.050.5m (48.447.9%). The Election Calculator determined that Gore won the True Vote by 55.351.4m (49.946.6%) which closely matched his 49.4% unadjusted aggregate state exit poll share. The U.S. Census reported that 110.8m total votes were cast, but only 105.4m were recorded. If not for the 5.4m uncounted votes, Gores margin would have exceeded 3 million. In Florida, 185,000 spoiled ballots (not including absentees and provisionals) cost Gore 120,000 votes. He won the state by a minimum of 60,000 votes, but Bush won the recorded vote by 537.

In 2004 Bush won the Recorded Vote by 6259m (50.748.3%). The Election Calculator determined that Kerry won the True Vote by 6757m (53.245.4%). Kerry won the unadjusted state exit poll aggregate by 52.146.9% and the adjusted 12:22am National Exit Poll by 50.848.2%. The analysis was based on NEP vote shares applied to estimates of returning 2000 voters. The Census reported that 125.7m total votes were cast as opposed to the 122.3m recorded. Approximately 2.5m of the 3.4m uncounted votes were for Kerry.   Investigative reporter Greg Palast provided government records which indicated the actual number of provisional, absentee and spoiled ballots which comprised the 3.0m total.

There is no reason to believe that 2008 will be any different than 2000 and 2004. At least 3% of total votes cast will be uncounted, and 7580% will be Obamas.
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2008 Calculated True Vote
Estimated vote share

2004 Turnout Voted Mix Obama McCain Other


DNV - 17.2 13.1% 59% 40% 1%
Kerry 95% 60.5 46.2% 89% 10% 1%
Bush 95% 51.6 39.4% 11% 88% 1%
Other 95% 1.6 1.2% 70% 11% 19%

113.7 130.9 100% 54.1% 44.7% 1.2%
Total 130.9 70.8 58.5 1.6

Recorded Vote (est.) 126.0 64.0 61.0 1.0
50.8% 48.4% 0.8%
2004 Calculated True Vote
12:22am NEP vote share

2000 Turnout Voted Mix Kerry Bush Other


DNV - 25.6 20.4% 57% 41% 2%
Gore 95% 49.7 39.5% 91% 8% 1%
Bush 95% 46.6 37.1% 10% 90% 0%
Other 95% 3.8 3.0% 64% 17% 19%

100.1 125.7 100% 53.2% 45.4% 1.4%
Total 125.7 66.9 57.1 1.7

Recorded Vote (actual) 122.3 59.0 62.0 1.2
48.3% 50.7% 1.0%


Unadjusted Exit Poll 52.0% 46.9% 1.0%
True Vote Discrepancy -1.2% +1.5% -0.4%
2000 Calculated True Vote
Final NEP vote share

1996 Turnout Voted Mix Gore Bush Other


DNV - 15.0 13.5% 52% 43% 5%
Clinton 96% 49.3 44.5% 86% 11% 3%
Dole 96% 37.3 33.7% 7% 91% 2%
Other 96% 9.2 8.3% 27% 61% 12%

95.8 110.8 100% 49.9% 46.4% 3.7%
Total 110.8 55.3 51.4 4.1

Recorded Vote (actual) 105.4 51.0 50.5 3.9
48.4% 47.9% 3.7%


Unadjusted Exit Poll 49.4% 46.9% 3.7%
True Vote Discrepancy -0.5% +0.5% -0.0%

 

Download the 2008 Election Calculator (Excel) to run your own scenarios:

 

2004 True Vote
   Kerry   Bush    Other    Total   
   66.9    57.1     1.7     125.7   
   53.2%   45.4%    1.4%    100 %   
Uncounted                           
   2.6     0.7      0.2     3.4     
   75%     20%      5%      2.74%   

2008 Recorded
   Obama    McCain   Other   Total  
   64.0     61.0     2.0     127.0  
   50.4%    48.0%    1.6%           
Uncounted                           
   2.9      0.9      0.1      3.9   
   75%      22%      3%      3.00%  

2008 Calculated
           Obama   McCain   Other   
Cast        70.7    58.6     1.6     
Share       54.1%   44.7%    1.2%    
                                    
Switched    3.8     -3.3     -0.5    
Sw. Rate    5.4%    -5.6%   -31.7%   
 
Click for complete calculation, including: 
  • Scenario assumptions used for Uncounted Votes, Voter Turnout, Voter Mortality, Vote Share
  • Sensitivity Analysis consisting of two sets of tables, indicating Obama's vote share and margin for 25 scenario combinations of
    1) Obama's share of returning Kerry and Bush Voters
    2) Obamas share of returning Kerry and new voters (Did Not Vote in 2004)
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:24 PM
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1. "Crushed" will have new meaning.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:36 AM
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4. yep. nt
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:31 PM
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2. 60/40 split
Roger Hussein Fox.


Goldwater lost 39-61%, 8-42 EC.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:10 PM
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3. K&R.nt
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:45 AM
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5. kick nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:48 AM
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6. I believe Obama can win big in the fall. 300 plus electoral votes.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:07 AM
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7. I certainly believe it is possible, very possible
I think its VERY possible!!...I'm cautiously optimistic myself


There are a number of reasons.

Among them:

1. Analyst predict that oil could very well reach $200 per barrel
over the next six months. link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=arm...

There are many, many factors affecting the massive rise in oil price. It would not be a stretch to assign some of the responsibility to the policies of the Bush Administration.

But regardless whose fault this is, the consequences will reverberate throughout the entire world economy and the incumbent President of the United States and his Party will be held responsible in the eyes of many, many Americans.

There is no doubt that many, many Americans will associate John McCain with the problem.

This has the potential to create for John McCain and the Republicans a political disaster this coming November.

2. And all of this aside, Rasmussen which has many times be criticized for having a Republican bias reports trending very favorable to the Democrats and very unfavorable to the Republicans. - link:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics...

"Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.9% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

"Underlying this dismal outlook for the GOP is the fact that more and more people are considering themselves to be Democrats. In fact, the Democrats now have the largest partisan advantage over the Republicans since Rasmussen Reports began tracking this data on a monthly basis nearly six years ago. "see also this Rasmussen report on Party identity trending:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics...



3. And on top of everything else, along with a very low interest level as reflecting in very low primary participation, the Republicans are having a lot of trouble raising money for the Presidential campaigns:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php


4. President Bush Job Approval. Bush Job Approval Falls to Another All-Time Low: http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/pol ...

"Sixty-five percent (65%) disapprove of the Presidents Performance, up two points from a week ago." "Also in April, as the Presidents Approval Rating slipped, the number of Americans who consider themselves to be Democrats remained near the highest levels ever recorded by Rasmussen Reports."

5. Democrats Trusted More on All Ten Electoral Issues Tracked by Rasmussen Reports:
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/moo...

"American voters now trust the Democrats on all ten key electoral issues tracked regularly by Rasmussen Reports. Last month, the GOPs had an advantage on two issues.

Not surprisingly, the economy is still seen as the most important issue in this years presidential campaign--76% of voters say it is a Very Important issue. The Democrats now have a 14-point advantage over the Republicans on this issue, up from eight-points a month ago. Data from the Rasmussen Consumer Index shows that consumer confidence is currently hovering near record lows. Not only is confidence low, three-out-of-four Americans believe that economic conditions are getting worse.

Government Ethics and Corruption is a Very Important issue for 71% of Likely Voters. The Democrats have a huge advantage on this issue45% now trust them while just 26% prefer the GOP. That lead has also widened since last month, when the Democrats had only a six-point advantage.

Perhaps the biggest surprise comes from the fact that Democrats are now trusted more when it comes to National Security and the War on Terror, an issue long considered a GOP stronghold. The latest polling, however, shows that 49% of voters now trust the Democrats more on this issue while 42% trust the Republicans more. This shift comes at the same time that confidence in the War on Terror has fallen significantly."
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:05 AM
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9. plus many moderate Republicans will cross-over and vote Obama:
Edited on Sat May-24-08 11:08 AM by tiptoe
Why I'm Backing Obama by Susan Eisenhower
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:52 AM
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8. A 'blowout' victory for McCain in November?
(if you believe this garbage)

Conventional wisdom holds that this is a good year to be a Democratic presidential candidate. And many polls say that at least at this moment in time, either Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama would get more votes nationally than Republican John McCain.

But The Politico writes this morning that "many top GOP strategists believe (McCain) can defeat Barack Obama -- and by a margin exceeding President Bush's Electoral College victory in 2004."

Politico's David Paul Kuhn reports that:

Some Republican strategists can envision a scenario in which Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College -- he might galvanize Southern black turnout, for example, but still fail to switch a state in the region.

Among the 10 strategists interviewed by Politico for this story, there was near-uniform belief that had any other Republican been nominated, the partys prospects in November would be nil.

Full article: http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/05/a-blowout-...

:puke: :puke: :puke:
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:23 AM
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11. "many top GOP strategists believe ....

George W. Bush is a fine President."
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:55 AM
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12. "many top GOP strategists believe ....
in election fraud."
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:07 AM
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10. .
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:28 PM
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14. . nt
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:28 PM by tiptoe
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:54 AM
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28. k
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:56 AM
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13. In order to win, we MUST have a MASSIVE turnout like in 2006 to counter the machines. It CANNOT be a
close race.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:49 PM
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15. agree! nt
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:10 PM
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16. Latest Pre-election State Polling Averages - Obama leads McCain in EV in 19 key states, 214 - 63

2008 Pre-election Polling
May 23

These are the latest RCP pre-election state polling averages.
Obama leads McCain in the electoral vote in 19 key states by 214-63.

On an EV-weighted average basis, he leads by 46.5-42.8%
Converting to a 2-party equivalent, he leads by 52.1-47.9%

Obama's lead is beyond the 4% margin of error in 5 of the 19 states: MN, NJ, OR, WA, CA
States most likely to be targeted for flipping by the GOP: OH, FL, MI, WI, IA, PA, NH, NM, VA, NC, CO, MO
The more things change...sound familiar?

Its obviously very early to place too much faith in the polls. But the fact that Obama has not yet officially clinched the nomination and yet has a solid lead in the critical battleground states portends a landslide victory. Obamas lead will surely grow once the focus turns to the general election.

Avg Poll EV Exceed
EV McCain Obama McCain Obama Margin MoE?

Avg 277 43.3 45.8 63 214 -2.5 6

OH 20 42.7 44.0 0 20 -1.3
PA 21 40.5 46.3 0 21 -5.8
FL 27 44.7 46.3 0 27 -1.6
WI 10 41.7 47.3 0 10 -5.6
IA 7 41.7 47.3 0 7 -5.6

MN 10 39.7 50.7 0 10 -11.0 yes
MO 11 48.0 45.0 11 0 3.0
NM 5 44.0 44.0 0 5 0.0
NV 5 46.0 40.0 5 0 6.0
CO 9 42.0 48.0 0 9 -6.0

MI 17 43.7 44.3 0 17 -0.6
NH 4 44.7 43.3 4 0 1.4
NJ 15 40.0 49.3 0 15 -9.3 yes
VA 13 44.3 43.0 13 0 1.3
NC 15 48.0 42.3 15 0 5.7

GA 15 53.7 40.0 15 0 13.7 yes
OR 7 39.3 49.7 0 7 -10.4 yes
WA 11 39.7 49.7 0 11 -10.0 yes
CA 55 39.0 50.5 0 55 -11.5 yes
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:24 PM
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18. Why in God's name is Georgia on that list?
That is not a competitive state at all.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:13 PM
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19. All of RCP's "battleground" states were used. ...
If GA is not included, Obama's EV and vote share lead is even greater.
GA is the ONLY state in which Obama is not competitive or has a big lead.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:15 PM
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20. I'm still trying to figure out why people keep bringing up Georgia.
All the evidence I have seen over the past decade is that Georgia is slipping AWAY from the Democrats, not toward them.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:20 AM
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21. GA is 100% DRE, IIRC...
not even a DEmocracy ;)
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:18 PM
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17. I will stick with this one for now.....
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May27....

Meanwhile, this is how Hillary would do:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May2...

But she won't win the nomination because the super delegates haven't seen these maps.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:41 PM
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23. nice maps. nt
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 01:20 PM
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32. an update of the map should be interesting, given recent poll from CA.
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 01:33 PM by tiptoe
CA poll: CA Dems now prefer Obama to Clinton 51% to 38%
Release #2270 Release Date and Time: 6:00 a.m., Friday, May 30, 2008
MORE CALIFORNIA DEMOCRATIC PARTY VOTERS NOW PREFER OBAMA AS THEIR PARTY'S NOMINEE. MCCAIN TRAILS BOTH OBAMA AND CLINTON BY LARGE MARGINS IN GENERAL ELECTION MATCH-UPS.
By Mark DiCamillo and Mervin Field

The results of the latest statewide Field Poll survey completed this week finds the following about the 2008 presidential election:
  • Barack Obama is now preferred 51% to 38% over Hillary Clinton among Democratic Party voters in California to be the partys standard-bearer in the fall presidential election.

  • Relatively large segments of both Clinton and Obama supporters (22% and 17%, respectively) say they would not be likely to vote for their Democratic rival in the general election if their own preferred candidates does not get the nomination.

  • Despite this, both Obama and Clinton hold large seventeen-point leads over Republican John McCain among a cross-section of Californians likely to vote for president in the November general election.

  • A majority of Democratic Party voters say that either an Obama-Clinton ticket or a Clinton-Obama ticket would increase their likelihood of supporting the Democratic ticket in the fall and few say this would dissuade them. However, there is less appeal among Obama supporters for a Clinton-Obama ticket than there is for an Obama-Clinton ticket among Clinton voters.

  • Four out of five Democratic party voters (82%) are satisfied and just 15% are dissatisfied with the way Obama has run his campaign. With Clinton 60% are satisfied and 38% are dissatisfied with the way she has run her campaign. Obama supporters are more critical of the way Clinton has run her campaign than vice-versa.

  • Of the three presidential candidates, Obama has a much more favorable image profile among likely general election voters in this state than either Clinton or McCain.
...



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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:34 PM
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22. k!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:33 PM
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24. kick
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:48 PM
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25. Someone's had a few too many hits off the Hope Bong.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 06:50 PM by Perry Logan
I recommnend you screw your courage to the sticking place, face the music, and get over to the zillions of burgeoning anti-Obama websites run by Democrats, and ex-Democrats. Even a Bammerite can't hide from the truth forever...

Election fraud aside...

Everyone but the Bammers knows Hillary beats McCain and McCain beats Obama--over and over again.

Everyone but the Bammers knows that roughly 17 million Democrats are infuriated by Obama;s dirty campaign and will do anything but vote for Obama. (I'm guessing this little glitch hasn't been factored into your landslide. Better have another hit off the Hope Bong.)

Everyone but the Bammers knows Obama has scores of shady, scary connections, with newer, even scarier ones appearing almost by the minute. I have read that there's a distinct chance Obama will be indicted.

As everyone but the Bammers knows, Obama is not much liked by women--and the numbers are going down every week. People favor McCain over Obama on all sorts of issues--foreign policy, whatever.

As everyone but the Bammers knows, Obama commits a new gaffe every time he opens his mouth.

All in all, the dude turns out to be nothing like what we hoped. Almost the opposite, in fact.

But getting back to these marvelous, wonderful anti-Obama websites--you've got to get over there! These folks pore over the polls and do themost inctricate projections--far beynd what anyone at DU could possibly manage. And it all spells doom for the Democrats if we go with the little guy. Sorry.

C'mon, Bammerites. It's over. I know the truth is painful (and after you've been so nice to everyone!). But you'll soon find out your pipe dreams just aren't true.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:01 PM
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27. I would like to compliment you
on the creativity and variation of your vitriolic attacks on Obama supporters. I check into GD:P about once a day, and it always seems to me that you have a new pet name for them. I find it endearing.

I just thought you'd like to know.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:55 AM
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29. Hopium
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:56 AM
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31. Obama beat Hillary, and if she can beat McCain, so can he.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:55 PM
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26. I might be in denial but I think conservative Georgians are going to vote for Bob Barr
I think Georgia is in play.

Us Georgians are going to need to go outside of the big city and scare us up some votes among rural Georgians. If not for national office, then for local office.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:56 AM
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30. Oh yeah.
:kick:
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