Why do Latinos and Asians overwhelmingly go for Clinton over Obama?

[Bread and Circus]

Does anyone know?

[rocktivity]

1. Because they see themselves as the #1 minority with a white candidate

whereas with a black one they'd be #2?

:headbang:
rocknation

[jackson_dem]

5. Obamite call every non-black minority group racist for not voting for St. obama

And then they bitch when people call them a cult. :eyes: Funny how Obamites never say race is a factor when Obama wins black support over Hillary by 88-12 in Georgia and beat Edwards 78-1 among blacks in SC even though blacks in SC voted for Edwards in 2004.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. So are you saying that black voters are racist?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

67. It's obvious that race is a factor in selecting a candidate for many black voters.

Whether or not that makes them "racist" is a matter of terminology.

It's also probably true that:

:-Race is a factor in selecting a candidate for many non-black voters.
:-More people support Obama over Hillary on account of race than vice versa.
:-No black candidate would have a hope in hell of the Republican nomination.

[EffieBlack]

97. I think your premise is faulty

Race is a factor in selecting a candidate for most voters, not just black voters. In fact, black voters are much more likely to vote for a white candidate than white voters are likely to vote for a black candidate.

Black voters are often accused of "bloc" voting because we often vote in large numbers for a black candidate when one is running. But what is overlooked is that white voters also vote in "blocs" for white candidates - this is probably not as obvious because white voters have more choices of white candidates for whom to vote, so the votes tend to be spread out amongst them, making it appear that they are more diverse in their voting patterns. But whether they're voting for one white candidate or five white candidates, they tend to overwhelmingly vote AGAINST black candidates when they run.

On the other hand, black voters are far less likely to vote in such a distinctive bloc when a black candidate is running and are much more likely to vote for white candidates than white voters are to vote for black candidates.

It's reminiscent of the "why do all of the black students sit together in the cafeteria" question. Yes, all of the black kids may sit together in the cafeteria. But so do all of the white kids. It's just that when the majority all sits together and the minority sits in the spaces that are left, it only LOOKS like it's the minority who are clumping together and no one seems to notice that the majority is also keeping to itself.

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Example - in the 2004 South Carolina primary, only 1% of white voters voted for Al Sharpton. The other 99% spread their votes among the white candidates. On the other hand, 20% of black voters voted for Al Sharpton, while the other 80% voted for white candidates.

In this year's South Carolina primary, 24% of white voters voted for Barack Obama - close to the percentage of black voters who voted for Al Sharpton in 2004. The other 76% of white voters spread spread their votes out among the white candidates. On the other hand, 78% of black voters voted for Obama while the other 22% voted for white candidates. Therefore, this year, white voters and black voters - at least in South Carolina - each voted for candidates of a different race in approximately the same proportions, one of the few times this has occurred.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

100. What about other ethnic groups, though?

The reason I suspect that more blacks took race into account when voting than other ethnic groups is that my impression (although I confess I haven't looked into it closely) is that the voting patterns of whites and latinos (and I suspect of other groups) were fairly close to one another, with a big discrepancy compared with blacks.



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[EffieBlack]

101. I still don't think you are correct

As I said, white voters traditionally vote in overwhelmingly large blocs for white candidates, against non-white candidates. Black voters traditionally vote in significant numbers for white candidates, even when black candidates are running. Sometimes black voters vote in larger numbers for a black candidate (such as occurred with Obama in South Carolina), sometimes we vote in much smaller numbers for a black candidate (as occurred with Sharpton in 2004). On the other hand, white voters almost always vote in substantial numbers for white candidates against black candidates.

This directly disputes your argument that black voters are more likely to take race into account than white voters do - if you were correct, black candidates would ALWAYS get an overwhelming percentage of the black vote. That is not the case - in fact, black voters vote our interests, not our race. If that means voting for a white candidate instead of a black candidate, that's what we have always done.

The only discrepancy between white/Latino and black voters is that the vast majority white/Latino voters have voted for white candidates against black candidates while black voters are much more likely to split their votes between white and black candidates.

I think your mistake is in assuming that the fact that black voters have voted for a black candidate is proof that they are voting for the candidate because they are black. Yet, you don't draw that assumption about white/Latino voters who vote for white candidates. Black voters are just as discerning and knowledgeable as any other voters and vote for candidates for all manner of reasons - just like white and Latino candidates do. If in any given race, a larger number of black voters happen to vote for a black candidate, it is probably because they believe that candidate is better qualified for the office.

[rox63]

73. Nothing of the sort was implied by the OP

It was an honest question, one to which I don't think there is a simple answer. Why the hostility?

[AX10]

84. This is the elite left at work.

They are first ones to call racism anytime someone does not come out in favor of a person who is black.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Are You Saying Latinos And Asians Are Racists?

:headbang:

DemocratSinceBirth

[jackson_dem]

12. That is the official Obamite excuse for Obama not "inspiring" Asians and Latinos enough

If you don't drink the kool aid you are a racist!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. No, I think he's saying that black people are. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

No

Rocknation implied Asians and Latinos are supporting Hillary because they consider themselves closer to white...

That's repugnant and reactionary thought for a progressive board...

[Name removed]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I Don't Think So

Rocknation implied Asians and Latinos are supporting Hillary because they consider themselves closer to white...

That's repugnant and reactionary thought for a progressive board...

Rocknation should speak for himself or herself...

Maybe Latinos are drawn to Hillary's advocacy for children and universal health care...

[BeyondGeography]

39. In other words, you don't know either

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Don't Know What

No...

I'm not going to call my Latino and Asian brothers and sisters racists because you don't like them...No, I'm not going to do it...

I don't pick which bigotry to embrace and which bigotry to eschew like it's some smorgasbord ...

[BeyondGeography]

48. Now look who's injecting race

still waiting for a substantive explanation for those vote totals.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. They Like Her Commitment To Social Justice And Her Ability To Get Things

Done...

"Hillary knows how to solve our problems and get things done"

-Cesar L Chavez

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/122.aspx


Now, it was Rocknation who inserted race into this dialectic...

I was merely rebutting the silly assertion by Rocknation that Asians and Latinos are voting for Hillary because they think they are closer to white...

[BeyondGeography]

65. I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons

some good, some not so good.

For the not so good, it cuts both ways for both of the candidates in this race. Men who aren't comfortable with a woman president. Women and blacks who are voting primarily out of affinity. And, yes, Asians and Latinos who aren't comfortable with a candidate because of his race. We shouldn't pretend otherwise.

[jackson_dem]

59. The burden of proof is on Obama, not Asians and Latinos who aren't drinking the kool aid

He isn't entitled to any votes. Before Edwards dropped out they were tied for a distant second among whites. Obama is doing as well with Asians and Latinos as he was with whites before Edwards left. No one is calling whites racist and demanding they justify not supporting him (until Edwards dropped out).

Speaking of race, no one on the Hillary side is demanding an explanation for why a woman with a perfect NAACP record and Edwards, another one with a perfect NAACP record, lost 80-19-1 among blacks in SC. Hillary supporters>Obamites.

[mondo joe]

76. So your default is that they are racists? Disgusting.

[EffieBlack]

98. It's interesting how people twist themselves into knots trying to figure out why

Latinos and Asians overwhelmingly voted for Hillary yet they don't put any thought into why a majority of blacks vote for Barack - they just assert, with full confidence, "They're voting for him ONLY because he's black!"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

54. huh?what ? that makes no sense.

[rocktivity]

71. I don't see it as a candidate-specific issue

which is why I deliberately didn't mention any names. And of course it's a racist perception--how could it not be?

:headbang:
rocknation

[ursi]

2. my father in law's girlfriend is an illegal from Mexico who just told me

that her entire illegal family members living in Las Vegas caucused for Hillary Clinton on the LV strip. They think she will give them amnesty. Wonderful.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. How is that possible? Don't you have to prove citizenship to vote?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. yes, even permanent residents cant vote, let alone illegal immigrants

[goldcanyonaz]

42. Uh huh...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. The Poster Pulled It Out Of His #$%

~

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. maybe next the poster will try to sell us a bridge. brooklyn bridge maybe?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

47. thats a lie. illegal aliens cannot vote. not even permanent residents can vote

only citizens can

[fujiyama]

79. Actually permanent residents

or anyone for that matter with a license can register to - and even vote. In some states, even picture ID may not be a requirement to vote.

Personally, I'm skeptical of a "get out the illegal vote" effort because if such a thing ever got out, it would humiliating, devastating, not to mention a federal offense.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

102. one of the questions on the registration specifically stated you cannot vote if you are a perm

resident. most people would not risk their green cards for this

[Onlooker]

85. Your posts ring with dishonesty

You posted unsubstantiated crap in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4444648&mesg_id=4444648

(Your links don't support the first two paragraphs of that thread.)

and now you're making this claim?

I'm an Obama supporter, but your posts are an embarrassment.

[EffieBlack]

99. Sure . . .

Why don't you call Lou Dobbs with that one. He'll probably bite.

[DURHAM D]

3. Yes, I know.

They just simply like her more. EOS

[cgrindley]

4. A lot of it's probably racism

In my experience from working in the Bronx, I have seen first hand that there is an awful lot of tension and outright racism between Latinos and African Americans--actually it's way more complex than that with competing levels of animosity between Africans whose countries were colonized by England vs those whose countries were colonized by France or other European powers and the both of them look down on African Americans and then pretty much all of the above look down on West Indians, particularly Jamaicans. And then there's hardly unity among Hispanics--Puerto Ricans don't really get along well with Dominicans, Cubans don't really get along well with either... then there's all the Central and South Americans and then there's the Mexicans. Then there's the matter of how Black a person is as a Hispanic and there's a huge amount of weirdness there. So far the only time I've actually heard the N-word being used for real and in anger was by a Dominican man putting down a woman whose father was an African American and whose mother was white French lady. He thought she was Hispanic but when she said she couldn't speak Spanish, he swore at her. It's crazy.

[IndianaJones]

6. many of them haven't touched his robe yet. nt.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

52. ...

:rofl: :hi:

[IndianaJones]

58. feeling better? nt.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

61. no, but thanks for asking

:)

[IndianaJones]

64. that sucks. take tylenol. relax. nt.

[jackson_dem]

7. Three words: the Clinton record

It was Bill Clinton who made Asians Democrats in the first place and Latino support for Democrats also solidified under his tenure.

[Bread and Circus]

16. Is there something he did for them he didn't do for whites, blacks, Native Americans and others?

something specific?

Because I think we all see the same record...

And are you saying Hillary is running on her husband's record? Because I think that it true too, but in a sad way.

[jackson_dem]

28. He stood up for Asians and Latinos during the immigrant hysteria in the 90's

Obama benefits among blacks for being the potential first black president. Among whites Hillary is competitive with him. Before Edwards dropped out Obama was actually tied for second among whites nationally. Obama had not been doing great with whites either until Edwards left and most of his supporters moved to Obama. Obama has been doing about the same with every racial group except blacks and getting 85-88% support among a group that comprises about a fifth of Democrats boosts his national numbers greatly. It hid his relatively weak white support when Edwards was in and his weak Latino and Asian, not to mention GLBT, Jewish support as well.

Hillary benefits from Bill's record just as Obama benefits from anger among some at Bill's record.

[Bread and Circus]

57. That doesn't explain the disparity. I appreciate your effort. I just can't follow the logic...

it's a bit cryptic.

[hertopos]

8. I can only tell for Asians...

Because I am one of them.
First of all, his biggest assets, such as charisma and powerful speech, don't means much.
I personally cannot stand his style.
This has nothing to do with me being Hillary supporter.

For example, I respect MLK but his famous speech did not exactly moved. For me, I respect him in a same way I respect Gandhi. I admire their power of non-violence movement tremendously.
I learned about MLK speech in school. It is a historic prose for me like Lincoln's speech.

In fact, I personally feel repelled by powerful speech.

Now, back to policy platform. I have a very different take on Iraq war. I was very against it.
I was against even attacking Afghanistan. However, I have very different take on Iraq war now.
It is actually very irresponsible to withdraw from Ir ag abruptly.

I remember how Nixon pulled the trigger of killing field in Cambodia. Abrupt withdrawal from Iraq will trigger a messy civil war.

All other policies, Hillary has much better and detailed platform.

Hertopos

[mrreowwr_kittty]

24. Okay, HRC voted FOR the war and just said she wants to withdraw the troops immediately

Those positions are the polar opposite of yours. :shrug:

[hertopos]

37. I listened to her town hall meeting...

Yes she said. No she did not said she will do it abruptly.
She is for ordered withdrawal.

What about all other importatn stuff. In my priority list, Iraq war is not very high.

My biggest negative against Obama. He can be next Hoover.
I do agree he may have easier time at GE.
However, he can completely screw up economy.

I know Greenspan is not very popular in DU. Well, at least, he was much better than current guy.

Obama is very weak without his personal charm.

Hertopos

[Bread and Circus]

34. That's very fascinating...

Although I draw different conclusions about Barack and Hillary than you as I am an Obama supporter, I want to draw attention to a part of your statement and it is this:


"I remember how Nixon pulled the trigger of killing field in Cambodia. Abrupt withdrawal from Iraq will trigger a messy civil war."

A lot of people here won't get the meaning of that. However, my best friend is back in Iraq for his second tour of duty. I oppose the war, he is for it. We talk rationally about it. He feels that although it was a mistake going in (which is a huge shift for him), and in his words he does not feel we can pull out for the exact reason of "what happened in Cambodia" (he loves history, especially war history).

I think this explains your feelings well and I can tell they are heart felt. I respect that.

However, is that why 75% of Asians in California voted against him?

I used to live in California and I lived in nearly all Asian living situations (I was the only white guy and they called me their honorary Asian) and I made many, many wonderful friends there. However, from what little I know about that slice of the population I can't surmise why almost en bloc they voted for Clinton.

Is there something more to Clinton that they like, as opposed to "just not liking Obama"?

[hertopos]

62. I guess not

In general, I really think Obama's Charisma doesn't mean much to Asian.

Because of Bill, Clinton give Asians the impression they are better at economy.
Economy is always bigger issue for Asians than for other groups.

It is not about Clinton but the fact she is older and more experienced means a lot to Asian.
Like it or not.

Asian, in general, are more risk averse than general population.
Clinton is more know risk. Obama is unknown.

Hillary also accumulates all Asian values. Hard work, long time work, enduring attacks, etc.

Ok, enough for general comment let me tell you what I really feel most strongest.
I just cannot understand why Hillary/Obama is such an awful idea to Obama supporters.
I just cannot understand why Obama has to fight against Hillary now. He is so young.
Hillary/Obama is better than Obama to me, frankly speaking, Hillary is senior to him.
This line of thinking is very Japanese. ( Yes, I am originally from Japan.)
If Hillary is younger, I would support Obama/Hillary instead. It's that's simple for me.

I really have a problem with the lack of respect for seniors and experienced.
But I live here and I am getting used to it.

BTW, I really hate anybody on DU who use bad words.
Hope this help.

Hertopos

[Bread and Circus]

86. Wow your post taught me a lot. Thanks for sharing that. As you can

tell nobody here really is fully aware of that type of mindset. I know I wasn't and you just kind of blew me away. I can't say I agree with it, as I would like the U.S. to be a meritocracy, meaning personal merit is the prime factor. It is ideas and thoughts that we cherish (at least that's the goal), not age or place in line. Consider that the principle writer of our Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, was 33 when he wrote it.

At any rate, thanks. Your post is illuminating.

[grrr050]

108. I j have to agree

As an Asian Hillary supporter, I have no problem voting for a qualified woman as POTUS compared to most Americans who still harbor alot of sexist feelings.

[Coexist]

41. "Abrupt withdrawal from Iraq will trigger a messy civil war"

I believe this is occurring already.

[Thrill]

9. They don't know the guy. It is what it is.

They know Bill Clinton.

I think that will change with Washington State Asians and Texas Hispanics

[jackson_dem]

15. So latinos and Asians are ignorant unlike whites and blacks?

:eyes:

Whites and blacks are educated enough to see the "hope" and "change" and "inspiration" St. Obama offers but Latinos and Asians are too ignorant to do the same?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. That's Not What He Said

He said all Asians are ignorant except for the ones who live in Washington and all Latinos are ignorant except for the ones who live in Texas...

Get with the program...

[Texas_Kat]

44. Doubt it as far as Texas goes

[Jennos20]

82. You must not know

Texas hispanics very well...

[mondo joe]

11. Wow - only a few posts in and racist trash is already the response.

Can't wait to see how this turns out.

[IndianaJones]

23. pretty predictable. nt.

[jackson_dem]

30. From the "unity" folks you are right. It is predictable

[maximusveritas]

13. His Asian numbers might have been affected by the 80-20 endorsment

for Hillary. They said they would be able to mobilize 80% of Asians for Hillary and they almost got there.

They attacked Obama pretty heavilly in the Asian-American community. They later called off their attacks after he agreed to their demands, but it probably hurt him more than I thought it would.

[jackson_dem]

19. 80/20 is a very minor group

Obama didn't lose the Asian vote. Clinton won it.

[maximusveritas]

45. They claim to be able to mobilize 80% of Asian voters in CA

and that's almost what happened. So maybe they're not as minor as you think.

[jackson_dem]

63. 80/20 is run by a Delawarean

Hillary always led among Asians just as she always led among Latinos, whites, Jews, GLBT. Obama's 85-88% support among blacks hid this in the national numbers until Super Tuesday states like California revealed them. The only other group Obama leads with is Arabs.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Maybe They're Just More Aware Than Others That Hillary Is Simply The Best Choice?

[Crooked Moon]

17. i would suspect

that a lot of immigrants still struggling to assimilate are far more influenced by name recognition and high-level accomplishment than would be the case for someone who's entrenched in american political culture.

for those who've lived here their whole lives, they likely view the clinton administration, being the most recent (and only two-term in more than a generation) democratic administration in a positive light vis a vis minority opportunities.

many of them don't have the luxury of blind faith in an untested candidate when an established one is available to them.

[thevoiceofreason]

22. What a nice, cogent response

Thanks for being sane and pleasant.

[IndianaJones]

25. lmao. nt

[jackson_dem]

32. So in other words Asians and Latinos are ignorant unlike whites and blacks?

So we have 2 responses that Asians and Latinos are ignorant and 2 saying they are racist. Hope and change indeed. :puke:

[Crooked Moon]

35. i never said that

but name recognition and a concrete mental impression of someone are two different things.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

53. many of us also come from cultures where we are used to politicians promising us the world

and we know a lie when we see one.

i dont think obama is a bad person but i dont think he will give me any more change than HRC will and i just prefer someone experienced and efficient.

[kurth]

21. Because they have better bullshit radars

Considering that many of them are 1st or 2nd-generation immigrants, you'd think they'd automatically root for Obama. Perhaps they can spot an empty-suit opportunist a mile away.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. So what are you saying about African-American voters? Please expand upon that. nt

[Jed Dilligan]

27. Immigration issues, antipathy toward blacks,

and whatever factors have been driving them to vote Republican lately.

[jackson_dem]

36. 3 Obamites calling entire groups racist for not drinking the kool aid

More BS. Asians and Latinos have been solidly Democratic ever since the last Democratic president. Oh. What was his last name?

[Jed Dilligan]

40. Asians in California have not forgotten 1992

Anyone who denies the tensions among these three groups must be guzzling something red himself.

[medeak]

31. "no one is illegal" Hillary in Las Vegas Jan n/t

[Colobo]

56. I have explained the Latino/Black issue before.

[Bread and Circus]

66. Link to that thread?

[Auntie Bush]

60. Isn't it because the Asians are the smartist race?

:rofl: Gee, I played the race card. :spank:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

68. Yet somehow I don't think you were entirely joking. nt

[TeamJordan23]

69. It's all generational. All young ones are going for Obama (but they get outnumbered by the old ones)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. That's Not What The Exit Polls Show

I'll link them if you want...

In Cali Hillary destroyed Obama in the Latino community among every age group...

[Bread and Circus]

75. That is true...even young latinos went 2 to 1 for Clinton

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. The Only Variable In Latino Support Was Education, Income, And What Generation American They Were

Obama did sligtly better with more affluent and educated Latinos and those that have been here more than one generation...

[Bread and Circus]

89. I know what that tells me, what does that tell you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. That Education And Income Trump Ethnicity

That's why my mom's Puerto Rican doctor is an ardent Republican as her about eighty percent of the members of his profession...

[Bread and Circus]

91. You premise is correct, but your conclusion is not.

First off I am a doctor and I know the community of doctors and I can tell you don't quite have that one right. That one boils down to money, not education. Doctors don't like their high salaries getting taxed. However, there are 14,000 doctors (I'm one of them) that have signed on to a true single payer health system (Hillary and her DLC cronies don't, Obama doesn't, neither did Edwards) so we're not all bad ;)

But yes, I would agree that education trumps ethnicity to a degree (not fully). But it's more of a liberation from ethnicity as opposed to trumping it. And that liberation isn't always constant.

The most interesting Demographic in this race right now are young white males (20 somethings and 30's somethings). I happen to be in that Demographic. We also happen to be the most dangerous demographic for the Democrats right now.

When they take a poll of Obama vs. McCain or Clinton vs. McCain guess which demographic changes that equation?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. Of Course Not All Doctors Are Republicans

My cousin is an internist...He was brought up in your typical middle class Jewish household... For him his ethnicity trumps his profession...He's a Dem...

But I suspect the lion's share, read not all, doctors are Republicans, and the lion's share, read again not all, trial lawyers are Democrats...

Also, there's a natural hostility among many doctors to the Democratic party because they are seen as friends of the "lawyer's malpractice lobby" and an enemy of tort reform...

Demography isn't destiny but it reveals a lot...

Tell me a person's race,age, religion, income, nationality, profession, et cetera and I can make a decent guess which candidate he is supporting...

As to your question, I suspect Obama does well in that demographic but the burgeoning Latino community which is genuinely fond of Ms. Clinton is golden to our party's chances this election and every election to come... They are already the largest non-majority group in the U S and growing fast...

[Bread and Circus]

95. I think you are forgetting that elections are won and lost in swing states by the swing voters.

and in the equation of McCain, Obama, and Clinton the latinos of California are not those people.

Eventually, you are right, Latinos will grow to such a number it will dominate nearly all politics but that's not going to be the deciding factor in this general election.

Again, think swing voters in swing states...

And I didn't make this up out of whole cloth. Actually, I'm getting this from this article:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080225/chaudhry

There's really only one demographic that doesn't have it's mind made up.

Well, there might be another, at least that's what Mark Penn is betting on... Republican females. I will leave it to you to read up on that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. Of Course Not All Doctors Are Republicans

My cousin is an internist...He was brought up in your typical middle class Jewish household... For him his ethnicity trumps his profession...He's a Dem...

But I suspect the lion's share, read not all, doctors are Republicans, and the lion's share, read again not all, trial lawyers are Democrats...

Also, there's a natural hostility among many doctors to the Democratic party because they are seen as friends of the "lawyer's malpractice lobby" and an enemy of tort reform...

Demography isn't destiny but it reveals a lot...

Tell me a person's race,age, religion, income, nationality, profession, et cetera and I can make a decent guess which candidate he is supporting...

As to your question, I suspect Obama does well in that demographic but the burgeoning Latino community which is genuinely fond of Ms. Clinton is golden to our party's chances this election and every election to come... They are already the largest non-majority group in the U S and growing fast...

[Jennos20]

83. Oh yes

ALL younger generations of hispanics and asians are going to vote for Obama. What makes you think I would do such a thing? Never assume anything.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

104. not true. i am voting for hillary. is 29 considered old these days?

[fireonthemountain]

70. I can only speak for latinos.

Latinos are very Racist towards blacks especially Mexicans and South Americans. Not so much puerto ricans and cubans. I have heard first hand how they won't vote for him because he's black.

[Bread and Circus]

74. and you know this how?

[Wombatzu]

96. in Latino culture...

light is better than dark... after the conquest of the Americas, darker(indian) skin became associated with being lower down on the social scale than lighter(Spanish) skin. by extension many latinos expect blacks to be below them on the social scale.

not all of course... younger and better educated latinos might not be as prejudiced, but it is part of the culture.

[adabfree]

109. I've heard the same...

south americans and mexicans will not vote for him...heard it directly from some of their mouths and its because he is black.

we can not deny that race plays a part...they see "white" as a better choice to give them a leg up in the "minority" fight and fear if Obama is elected, he will elevate black over brown..

[readmoreoften]

78. Because they're all stupid racist Hillbots who hate Hope and Ponies and America. /nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

103. ...

:loveya:

[Jamastiene]

105. You forgot to mention that they kill kittens and

eat babies for breakfast. :P

[Zueda]

80. My guess is that exploiters of 'cheap labor' strongarm them.

[fujiyama]

81. The Clinton administration made huge inroads

with both communities. The Clintons are a known quantity among Asians. Note the number of Asian donors to the Clintons over the years (including some not so legitimate using shady means to get them the money).

Racism may play a role among some (not only anti Black, but possibly this misconception that he's Muslim) but I think it's mostly the familiarity.

[AX10]

87. They know the Clinton's have done good work

and will continue to do so.

[doc03]

88. They are harder to bullshit n/t

[kristopher]

94. Emergant vs insurgent

There was a post yesterday that made the best argument I've heard. It attributed the trend to the latino and asian populations being well organized on the community level with firmly entrenched community leaders that can deliver votes for access to the politician they support. The Clintons have been courting this group for a long time and are very successful at maintaining the relationship.
The idea that it is a matter of racial or ethnic identity was contradicted by the rural latino vote and the latino vote in Conn.; since both were areas where Obama's support among that minority was on a par with his support among whites in general.

The post described the latino/asian vote as emergent (as in they are an emerging voting bloc looking for a seat at the table of power; something Hillaries established power base is better able to guarantee. The Obama supporters were described as insurgent because they are voting to overcome of change the existing power structure.

It made sense to me. The part about racial identity was heard from a latino voting activist on one of the news shows.

[stevietheman]

106. Because they haven't given him fair consideration, I would guess. n/t

n/t

[snooper2]

107. How come White Men Go for Obama and Women for Clinton?

Femanazis?

Stupid fucking thread.....Different people, different groups, have different feelings...

Go Obama! YES WE CAN (oh, that's our cult saying for all the 4 month old nic Hillbots)