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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:05 PM
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This is what the Obama 'movement' is all about...
I recieved this email from someone on the listserv at Charleston for Obama...and with his permission I am posting it here. I have attended 7 Obama rallies here in SC and this email captured the feeling I have had at each and every rally. It is something beautiful and something BIG....Pass it on. :)

THE BAM"... PASS IT ON AT THE NEXT OBAMA RALLY!

Having caught "Obama fever" like so many others rallying in support of Barack, I experienced something at a Barack Obama Rally on Thursday, January 10 at the College of Charleston here in Charleston, South Carolina, which I felt was both inspirational and spontaneous!

As Barack worked the line following the close of his speech, there was a surge of people moving forward hoping to get close enough to shake Barack's hand. Since I was standing about 20 feet back from center stage in the crowd, I felt the crowd down front tighten as many of us stood on our toes, stretched our bodies forward while reaching out to Barack. I noticed that a six foot tall guy who was standing in front of me had stretched far enough above the crowd and shook hands with Barack. As the guy drew back his hand I asked him, "You shook his hand didn't you?" Happily the guy said "Yes." I then said, "give me some of that" and the guy shook my hand with the same hand he had just clasped with Barack's. A woman friend of mine who was standing next to me saw me shake hands with the guy. I turned to her and said "He just shook hands with Barack," to which she responded..."Hey, give it up." We then shook hands. She then turned to the person next to her and shook hands. This chain of hand shakes went on for about five or six more persons.

I did not know the tall guy in front of me; he is white, I am black. But at the moment we shook hands, I felt some solidarity with this stranger, consummated by a handshake and signifying some unspoken agreement presumably about Barack Obama and his core message of UNITY!

I call this hand-shake scenario the "BAM" because, descriptively, it takes a bit of Obama's name and it's the sound of a collision, of People Coming Together!


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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:07 PM
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1. Thanks for the great story & your observations!
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:08 PM
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2. Time to Reflect....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_amer...

<snip>

The unorthodox pastor of Trinity church is the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who is refusing all interviews. He married Barack and Michelle Obama and baptised their two daughters. He is already attracting attention on right-wing websites for describing the September 11 attacks as a wake-up call to America for ignoring the concerns of people of colour, and for claiming that Americans believe in white supremacy and black inferiority . . . more than we believe in God.

Wright travelled to meet Muammar Gadaffi, the Libyan leader, in the 1980s with Louis Farrakhan, the black supremacist leader of the Nation of Islam, and subscribes to the Black Values System, which preaches self-reliance but claims middle-classness is ensnaring blacks.

When enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Colonel Gadaffi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell, Wright once said.

The other potential threat to Obama comes from the indictment of one of his leading donors, Antoin Tony Rezko, a Syrian-born property developer in Chicago, who is accused of extortion.

Rezko has been indicted by Patrick Fitzgerald - the prosecutor who brought down the White House official Lewis Scooter Libby and the press magnate Conrad Black - for seeking millions of dollars in kickbacks from companies bidding for state business in Illinois. He is due to appear in court on February 24.

On the day the Obamas bought a new home in Chicago for $1.6m in 2005, Rezkos wife purchased an adjoining piece of land, giving the senators family more privacy and a larger expanse of green than they had paid for. Obama later paid $104,000 for a strip of the land, even though it was known that Rezko was under investigation.

Obama has admitted that the deal was bone-headed and has given $37,000 of political donations by Rezko to charity.

<more at link above>

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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:10 PM
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5. Goodbye. nt
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:19 PM
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11. The Truth Hurts.
I'm sorry.

The Ostrich technique really doesn't work in these instances, however.

It's going to be a very bumpy road.

I just hope (the audacity of me) that he doesn't take the entire party down with him.



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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:29 PM
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17. Bravo! right on
you too have earned the scorn of elizm
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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40. I'm getting sick of the smearing of Jeremiah Wright.
While I'm not an Obama supporter, he and I are of the same faith and his pastor is a colleague of mine. Jeremiah Wright is a good and decent person and Trinity UCC is NOT a racist church. My youth group just came back from a retreat with Trinity kids--my kids all white, Trinity's all African American. Everyone was gracious and warm and it was a great experience. I guess they're not teaching their racist philosophy very well to their own kids.

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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:12 PM
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64. The smearing is really pathetic
And tells me way more about the people doing the smearing than they realize.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:14 PM
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66. This thread is silly but
Thanks for that. I am also pretty disgusted that this guy is getting hammered. I looked at the churches website and it seemed like they were involved in some really great community stuff. I am really just taken by surprise that anyone has a problem with this church or its pastor.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:37 PM
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99. You do know who Louis Farrakhan is, right?

Unbelievable.




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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:36 PM
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98. We're reeaaallly going to be sick of it after The Republicans get a hold of it.
We're going to hear about it in our sleep.

Because its going to be on our TV 24 hours a day and on our car radio if we're lucky enough to own a car.

We're all going to feel like its written on every billboard in our states.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:17 AM
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82. piss poor form- to say the least.
If you don't think that this hasn't been posted several times and that Obama supporters aren't aware of it, you're wrong. It isn't necessary to befoul a positive canidate thread. duh.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #82
93. " It isn't necessary to befoul a positive candidate thread" coming from cali that's rich!
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:20 AM
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88. Did you write that right-wing smear email about Obama?
If you didn't, you took lessons from the guy.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:52 PM
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101. No, but...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 07:53 PM by BeatleBoot
Feel free to play the Ostrich, while his top fundraiser goes to court with Patrick Fitzgerald as the prosecutor.

Patrick Fitzgerald, who brought down Scooter Libbey.

Don't be mad at me . Be mad at your candidate for not telling you up front.

Sorry you bought into the hype.

You really should have found out from him, not the press.







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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:09 PM
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3. I shook his hand here in SF.
The atmosphere around him is electric.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:42 PM
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25. Lucky you! That's a great picture
too.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:48 PM
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28. I see rich people....... nt
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:16 PM
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47. LOL!! nt
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
74. I shook his hand at a rally this summer.
I am grateful that we have a candidate that is dynamic.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:09 PM
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4. This is starting to look more and more like a preacher and his congregation.........
at Sunday services.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:12 PM
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7. And goodbye to you as well. nt
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. excellent observation.
to bad you pissed off elizm, I'm afraid I did to.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:33 PM
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18. Like politicians, you can't make ALL the DUers happy most of the time!
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 09:34 PM by Double T
I can't wait till after the elections so we can get back to fighting about the regular stuff and NOT candidates.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
26. Only if you don't know
what's going on.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:53 PM
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34. I shook the hand that shook the hand of John Kennedy
She was a black grandma, I am a white grandma. One of the more thrilling moments of my life. I totally get the OP. Sorry you don't.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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41. The ignore button is so awesome...
I only get to see the positive comments. :)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:14 PM
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43. That'w the way to build a movement--ignore any criticism, no matter how accurate. nt
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. Just go away please. Now, that's nice. nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 PM
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104. Don't give up! EVERYONE must know the BAM and embrace it!
Try to cyber-touch the negative posters while thinking of holding Obama's hand, or the hand of someone who touched him at least.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
46. Well get ready to squeeee
It happened at an Obama event in Portland. ;)
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:11 PM
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6. That's a great story. Thanks for sharing...n/t
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:15 PM
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8. Amazing.
I've never felt this way about any other politician. I've never seen another politician create this type of movement. He's changing people's lives. He's changing the world. And he isn't even President yet.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. SO true.....
He is changing people's lives...and he isn't even President yet. It is amazing.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:40 PM
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21. How is he changing people's lives? nt
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #21
110. It's all about the BAM, didnt you read?
:silly:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #110
122. Dude this is some real good..
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 12:18 AM by Moochy
Bam! :hippie: Did Emeril get you this shit? B-)
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:19 PM
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10. Obama, the second coming of Christ
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 09:22 PM by comradebillyboy
Wow no wonder he has such a following. I touched the hem of his garment and was transformed hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah.....I want to puke. Somebody has a seriously misguided desire for a politician to be his messiah. I may end up voting for Obama, but this OP is seriously sick cult worship shit. Sort of Jim Jones like, for those of you old enough to remember Jim Jones and Jonestown kool aid drinking scene.

"Few men want to be free, most only want a fairer master", Sallust
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:20 PM
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12. So hateful. nt
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. let us bow down and kiss
his hand and we will be forever blessed, jesus reborn
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:38 PM
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19. Why do you fear to dream? Have you no hope?
Why can't you see it's about change? It's about all of us coming together as one voice - speaking out against the machine. Standing up, instead of standing down.

Why do you want to kill that voice of unity? Why do you fear to dream that this country can be better than it is? Have you no hope?
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:58 PM
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35. I don't like unanimity
I think it is a danger to our individuality and freedom. I am old and cynical. Politicians seek power for the sake of power, no exceptions, not even my faves. One pol's agenda may fit with my views and desires, but I will not deify anybody or anything. I don't want to be one of the worshipful throng.

The country can certainly be better than it is. Perhaps Obama can help make that happen, but this sort of religious fervor for a pol leaves me cold and strikes me as positively bizarre.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:09 PM
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38. We can't accomplish anything running around like chickens with our heads cut off.
We have to band together somehow, someway. If nothing else, he's awaken a spirit in us that was dying. Maybe now more people will rise up, stop being so complacent, start making changes happen.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #38
62. he hasn't awakened anything in me except
annoyance at his sanctimony and arrogance. Just another pol, better than some worse than others.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. Such a shame that you can't find hope in yourself.
And hope for the party.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #68
90. Maybe you should start a thread...
...telling us what America 2012 will look like under Obama. Some of us need some substance behind our hope. Give me to vision! Take me to the promised land!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
132. Trouble is it seems his idea of change is regarding civil rights.
I want his change to be about OUR Democratic ISSUES. Save civil rights issues for another day...maybe after he's president and has the bully pulpit. Now just isn't the right time. Of course if you're black...it's the perfect time while he has the attention of the world and the media and they are are sick and tired of waiting...can't say I blame them.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:54 AM
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89. We balance our hope with life experience
We are skeptical that there is anything behind the message...we wonder whether the coming emperor has clothes.

I'm sure you disagree, but I'm also sure you see where we are coming from.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #19
100. Because his top fundraiser has been indicted?
By Patrick Fitgerald, the guy who brought down Scooter Libbey?


That might have something to do with it?


Ya' think?








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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:04 AM
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79. that's mean
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:51 AM
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83. LOL
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:22 PM
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13. Very cool! K&R! n/t
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:24 PM
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15. thank you for sharing this great story!
It makes me proud to be an Obama supporter! :thumbsup: :D

:kick:
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:40 PM
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20. "I then said, 'give me some of that'
and the guy shook my hand with the same hand he had just clasped with Barack's"

:scared:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. When I heard him speak in Iowa, people were weeping,
and I had no idea why. I just don't get it. But then, I already have a religion.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:49 PM
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29. Sorry you don't get it...
And your sarcasm is unbecoming for your candidate....who WOULD be my second choice.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:50 PM
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31. There was no sarcasm in my post. nt
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. We get it.
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 09:52 PM by Harvey Korman
We're just totally creeped out by it.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:53 PM
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33. Exactly. It is just creepy. nt
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #32
67. I'm glad I'm not the only one creeped out by it
Then again, I'm a Dune fan and that colors my perception of politics as a whole.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #32
91. I agree
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #91
118. K&R...
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:42 AM
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127. No kidding Harv.
How completely and utterly creepy.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:47 PM
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128. ...
:tinfoilhat:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:41 PM
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22. That's just Awesome and more
than a little understanding from what I can see of Obama's rallies, speeches, and stands on our issues. Thank you so much for this post, eliz!
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:41 PM
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23. I too am impressed with his ability to swoon a crowd
I saw him in West Palm Beach in March when the crowds were much smaller. I have watched many of his speeches on you tube or on his web site. He is a gifted speaker. People at the rallies want a chance to respond and with "Stand Up" he does that.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:46 PM
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27.  I then said, "give me some of that" & the guy shook my hand with the same hand he had just.....
clasped with Barack's.


SKREE!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~ WOW!~!!!!!!!!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #27
44. Maybe it will cure you of Teh Gay!
:evilgrin:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:49 PM
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30. Something about Obama's "movement" smells funny...
:hurts:


Obama's "movement" excludes GLBTQ people but Obama made sure to open the ranks for the religious bigots and the ex~gay homophobes. :puke:
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. this whole "cult of personality"
thing is absolutely frightening,very creepy and even worse has all sorts of totalitarian overtones, for those who read history.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #36
50. comradebillyboy> some 'get' Obama, others have to wait to catch up to the masses...
hang in there, plenty of time before November.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Wow! How "comforting"...so I can still "catch up to the masses"???
No, thanks...what Obama is selling is NOT anything I want to buy.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:07 PM
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58. if he wins the nomination I will vote for him
because his position on issues I care about is better than any of the pukes, but I will never idolize another human being. I view all authority, authority figures and would be leaders with extreme skepticism and suspicion, even my preferred candidate. I will never buy into the "cult of personality" nonsense. It is an anathema to me.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #58
85. me too..totally agree.
And no to an OP, I don't need to "catch up with the masses." Why would I want to do that? I can think for myself, thank you very much. yikes.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:32 PM
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96. There are some "masses" it's best not to catch up to
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #36
84. I agree, it does seem weird.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. had to pour piss into the punchbowl didntcha?
fucking sad
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Yeah, I guess the LGBTQ community can "piss" off...
wouldn't want to spoil your punchbowl. :eyes:


Enjoy the Kool~aid. :hi:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #45
131. Yeah, because the Clintons got rid of DOMA and "Don't ask, don't tell"
Oh, wait. :eyes:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:05 AM
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75. Fucking sad for gays and lesbians, yes.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #39
76. "dionysus" is Greek for...
clueless.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #30
56. Obama doesn't like liberals or Democrats
I'm getting a little weary of his constant bashing of Democrats like FDR and his praise of Ronald Reagan.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. What??? Obama is praising Ronald Reagan???
:wow:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:08 PM
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37. The BAM?
Is that like magical cooties? :shrug:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:14 PM
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42. Nice post. k&r
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:16 PM
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49. are there cretins like this in the edwards' threads?
does anyone call st dennis' followers creepy? just sayin'.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Went to an Edwards rally, too. No one was weeping.
Just listening to some good policy positions and feeling appropriately good about a fine candidate. Completely different atmosphere.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Wow, I'm really surprised...
...that an Edwards supporter would pile in on Obama, latching on to the pro-Hillarites who do
nothing but bash Obama with one-liners and exaggerations.

I went to plenty of Edwards and Obama events in Iowa. An Edwards canvasser came to my door and
we ended up chatting for a half hour. I did some volunteer work for the Obama campaign and there
was so much reciprocity between the Edwards and Obama camps. It was wonderful.

When I caucused, we were right next to the Edwards camp. The Edwards precinct captain and I
agreed that we would ban together and help each other out.

I didn't notice any difference in the people or their reactions---at the Obama and Edwards events.
Everyone was very moved and impressed with both candidates.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but seeing this is really jarring to me because I
guess I expect more from Edwards supporters.

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. The differences between the two rallies were night and day.
Edwards' was a political rally. Obama's a religious cultic experience.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. That's your opinion and it's not shared by...
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 11:11 PM by TwoSparkles
...most Edwards supporters, nor does it accurately describe Obama
supporters.

I won't judge Edwards and his supporters because of you--one bad apple.

However, you are a very misguided person if you think that misrepresenting
a candidate and his supporters--is a smart thing to do.

You are being very insulting to many people--in fact the majority of Iowans
who went out to the caucuses. I'm a 43-year-old woman with a college
degree and I'm not swept up in some kind of cult.

I'm supporting Obama for many reasons, but the hook for me is that he
is a Constitutional scholar. He taught Constitutional Law for a decade
and he is extremely troubled by the disrespect our leaders have displayed
when it comes to our Constitution, our civil rights and our privacy. He
has pledged to halt this "Unitary Executive" way of governing that Bush
is enjoying. Obama will also restore Habeas Corpus.

Am I excited about Obama? Yes. Am I supposed to feel ashamed because
the candidate with whom I agree on important issues--is also an eloquent
speaker and that he is inspirational?

You're a very cynical person.


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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. Again, and with clarity...there is something creepy about people
WEEPING at the words of a political candidate. Especially when those words set out no clear agenda or program. Just slogans. It makes no sense to me.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. You're so wrong...
So very wrong.

Obama has laid out a very clear agenda. It's not slogans. That's Hillary's spin on it
and it's total lies.

As I just mentioned, I like Obama's deep knowledge of the Constitution and his plan to restore Habeas Corpus
and end illegal wiretapping.

I also like his healthcare plan, and many others do as well. His plan makes premiums more affordable
for low-income earners. Hillary's plan does not. She mandates that everyone purchase insurance, and
I do not believe that is realistic. I like Obama's plan.

Education is important to me because I have two girls, ages 6 and 7. Obama has a really cool "Zero to Five"
program to get children ready for kindergarten. My kids were both reading in kindergarten and there are
great demands on small kids. Obama's program is great preparation. Furthermore, he revamps NCLB, and
actually funds it and takes the emphasis away from those standardized tests. Schools that didn't pass
the tests before lost money. Instead of punishment, Obama will help those schools after identifying
their problems.

I'm also very concerned about our veterans and the epidemic of PTSD. Obama promises to make it
easier for vets to get care for PTSD. Right now, they are not taken seriously. This issue
is very important to me.

I could go on and on about Obama's service and his ideas and plans, which I support.

You insult people when you follow the Hillary supporters off a cliff, with your condescension
and your misguided blanket statements about Obama supporters.

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. There's a third option besides Obama and Clinton,
a true progressive populist.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. I know...and I love Edwards...
...but after studying the candidates, I chose Obama.

I wish Edwards nothing but the best and I would be thrilled
with an Edwards presidency.

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #54
77. so very christian of you, mc.
i am so shocked. :sarcasm:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
94. How is it unChristian to be concerned about people being swept up
in a frenzy over a mere human being? Barack Obama is a human being, not the Messiah, ya know. In fact, he and I belong to the same denomination, and I have religious reasons to be concerned about this "movement".

Mostly, I'd like to hear policy positions, not slogans. I don't tear up over slogans, the way some do. A well thought out system of universal health care might bring tears to my eyes, but a one word slogan won't.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:59 AM
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78. Deleted message
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #78
95. I'm not a racist.
And apparently, THIS is how it will come out. Anyone who supports Edwards, or I suppose, Hillary, will be called a racist. I ask for policy positions, I get accused of racism. How sad.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:41 PM
Response to Original message
55. Cult of Personality
This isn't high school or an American Idol show, its about choosing the next person to represent the Democratic Party in November.

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #55
72. Yeah - the guy has charisma - SO WHAT?!?!
Bush was the guy people thought they could "sit down and have a drink with" - so they voted for him. And now, people who call themselves Democrats are going to vote for Obama because he "makes them feel good" - or they have "Obama fever"?!?! Wow. I'm a bit stunned and kind of saddened by this level of thinking. Edwards says he will end the war. EDWARDS is the one who will take on the corporations. EDWARDS is the one the DLC and the corporate media are afraid of - NOT Obama or Hillary. I'm sorry to burst anyone's naive little bubble, but a vote for Hillary or Obama is a vote for 4 more years of the same old shit. :(
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:44 PM
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57. "Obama Fever"
"Fever is most accurately characterized as a temporary elevation in the body's thermoregulatory set-point, usually by about 12C....Carl Wunderlich discovered that fever is not a disease but a symptom of disease." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever

Obama Fever is characterized by hallucinations of actual substance, warm and fuzzy feelings created from speeches about nothing. When gripped by the fever people are unable to describe, what exactly Obama has said that caused this condition. Victims are characterized by dilated pupils and the belief that his words are enough to make change happen. One sure sign that the fever has taken hold is if criticism of Obama is presented to a person with the fever, they will react by either complete avoidance or with fevered charges of racism.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #57
73. LOL!
Hahaha. Thanks, I needed that. Good call. See my previous post for my feelings on it as well. :toast:
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LatinManNH Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #57
81. HOPE!---APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD!
Side effects may include dizziness and a loss of perception.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #81
120. ZOMG
Can I steal that for my .sig ? :D
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #57
117. Bwhahahahahahahahaha
PERFECT!

And they say words like "kewl" and make 1,000 new threads saying the same thing.

Rinse, repeat, assimilate.

Obamites....the "Borg" of candidate cultists.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:10 PM
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61. WEEE thats a little over the top for me.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:13 PM
Response to Original message
65. Thanks for posting this story. K and R
The world needs more loving kindness!


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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:06 AM
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80. I don't see why not
I think it is nice for people to do this no matter hat candidate.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:08 AM
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86. I'm feeling the lurve..........
n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:16 AM
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87.  If you use teh "BAM" will you also be "kickin' it up a notch?"
:shrug:




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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:59 AM
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92. Obama is an inspiring speaker but he is not the messiah.
Barack Obama can be inspiring when he is delivering a pre-prepared speech. But he is not always the best performer in debates or one-on-one interviews.

Personally I think the true test of intelligence, at least when I am looking at politicians, is your ability to deal with unexpected questions and provide clear and cogent answers based on your knowledge and understanding of the facts and your experience.

I like Obama a lot and he seems to have a way of connecting with ordinary folks who don't usually get excited about politicians, including some people who are not registered Democrats.

But I am also looking for substance on the issues, and someone who fully understands the challenges we are facing in the 21st Century, especially after 7-8 years of Bush-Cheney.

I like Edwards positions on the issues, and his determination to defend the interests of American workers and their families over the interests of multi-national corporations.

I also think Hillary is incredibly smart and probably the best communicator, based on her performances at the ABC TV debate in New Hampshire, and on yesterday's Meet The Press. I like it that she describes herself as a "workhorse" in the Senate. I also understand her explanation for why she voted to authorize the use of military force against Iraq (her position matches that of Tony Blair in 2002, Chuck Hagel in 2002, John Edwards in 2002 thru 2005, Obama in 2004).

During the past 12 months I have been a cheerleader here on DU for an Al Gore candidacy, or a Wes Clark candidacy, or more recently dreaming of a BIDEN-OBAMA ticket in 2008.

Right now I am watching the race closely and will probably remain neutral thru the end of January.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:15 PM
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97. I don't dream about holding hands with union busters, homophobes, and neocons.
Delusional.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #97
102. Why can't you hope, embrace the change and then pass on the BAM??
What's wrong with you? :silly:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. Some people have taste.
:shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #103
105. I am cyber-touching you right now.
I am thinking of holding Obama's hand, or at the very least someone who once touched him, and trying to pass the BAM onto you virtually. This is a MOVEMENT!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. d00d, keep that stuff to yourself!
:scared:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #105
124. You should not use the laptop on the toilet
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #97
115. Why do you fear the Reverend Sun Myung Obama's message of hope and dreams and sunshine and lollipops
Hope hater!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:57 AM
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107. NObama for me.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. Please everyone read this thread and THINK. What are you looking for in a candidate?
What are you GETTING?

Are you hoping or dreaming?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #108
109. i have NO idea what you are talking about -- more
i don't think you know, either.

hoping? dreaming? -- what is that?

uniting with donnie mcclurkin?

this is politics -- not a tent revival meeting.

you like him -- fine -- i don't.

but i'm really starting to think some here a breaking with reality.
and it's scary.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. Um, that's my point. I thought if folks took a moment and considered it rationally,
they'd realize how frightening akin the OP and many of the responses are to cult-like worship. The BAM??? WTF!!!???
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #111
112. ah -- i get it -- sorry.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:50 PM
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113. No problem. Don't get hit by the BAM!. nt
nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:12 PM
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114. What a lovely post. Thank you for posting. n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:51 PM
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116. How many people here have been to an Obama rally?
Just curious.
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #116
121. I just went to the Jersey City rally.
That was the first time I've ever been to one. I really wanted to go to hear him speak about the issues. I really need to feel that I was supporting the right person.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #121
123. Hey, lucky you!
I haven't been yet because my primary isn't until April. *sigh*

So, what did you think about his ability to speak to the "issues"?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:59 PM
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119. Follow The Gourd!
"Forget the Gourd, Follow the Shoe!"

"You've all got to work it out for yourself!"

"Yes, We've all got to work it out for ourselves!!"
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:00 PM
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125. Remember this one, guys...especially tonight! n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:07 AM
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126. BAM!! n/t
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:48 PM
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129. this thread is like an AMWAY convention.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 05:48 PM by jonnyblitz
:scared:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 06:12 PM
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130. I just saw Obama at happy hour. Am I living the high life? nt.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:11 PM
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133. Oh man
I'm sorry, this just sounds like a cult meeting. "Have you experienced the BAM? It will change your life!"
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