New Hampshire Debate Thread #3

[TSIAS]

Here's a link to thread 2:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=168297

[robsul82]

1. Oh, screw you, Sharpton.

Hey, asshole, try going after Bush like that!

Later.

RJS

[adamrsilva]

5. Cheap shot

Shouldn't he be going after Kerry now?

[MoonRiver]

23. What???

[MissB]

31. see sharpton zinger below

[MoonRiver]

69. That was a good one!

:D I really love Sharpton. Too bad he doesn't have a chance. But at least he can keep the other candidates relatively honest and on message.

[bearfartinthewoods]

agreed looow blow in thhis situation

[Rowdyboy]

2. And Sharpton

"I'd yell too if I spent that much money in Iowa and..."

[MissB]

3. Sharpton zinger

tells Dean not to worry about hooting and hollering , if I'd spent that kinda money and only gotten 18%, I'd be hooting and hollering.

Dean laughed and said thank you reverand.

[MissB]

8. And Sharpton missed the total question, which was who would you appoint to

federal reserve. And would you have a name for that person?

[Cuban_Liberal]

I think 'the scream' issue is dead

Sharpton just killed it.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

24. yup

...

[AP]

28. Dean brought it up in both answers. He'd be mad to bring it up

again now that Sharpton made people think of Dean's inverse relationship between spending and votes.

[sillymikey]

and thats why Sharpton has no chance

he sees this election as a joke and not as a serious matter, he oughtta just conceed and get on with it.

[economic justice]

22. Sharpton IS a jerk

If I spent time campaigning in Iowa and got ZERO percent like YOU, Sharpton, I'd do the right thing and ** get out of the race! **

I'm not a Dean supporter, but THAT was a VERY cheap shot

[Terwilliger]

4. I'm gonna KILL that bell-ringer, I swear!!!

Don't kno what to make of Sharpton's jibe at Dean.

[robsul82]

7. Totally needless.

What in the fuck was the point of that?

Later.

RJS

[Tatiana]

20. Actually, I think this will work in Dean's favor.

Lightens the moment and takes the "sting" factor out of the whole scream thing.

Now we can move on from it, hopefully.

[ludwigb]

39. Hopefully you're right

I can't imagine watching and not genuinely feeling for Dean.

[mzmolly]

15. Sharpton is still smarting about the CBC endorsing Dean instead of him

he wants to take Dean out. He's been quite helpful in the ABD movement too.

[AP]

33. Sharpton thinks Dean's bad on race and class issues.

[DemPopulist]

The CBC didn't endorse Dean

Individual members endorsed Dean, including the head, but the group as a whole made no endorsement.

[MissB]

17. It gave Dean a chance to laugh

And show people that he really does have a sense of humor. It wasn't too much of a jab, imho.

[AP]

40. At that moment, he should have glared or raised an eyebrow.

He shouldn't have been laughing about spending money and only gettin 18%.

[MissB]

I'll respectfully disagree

Because I think he would have been painted as angry. Laughing it off seemed like an appropriate response.

[NoPasaran]

18. I liked it. It broke the ice

nt

[knight_of_the_star]

6. Ooops

Sharpton just answered the wrong question, but he did a good job of it.

[w13rd0]

21. How does one go about doing a good job...

...of answering the wrong question?

[Renew Deal]

9. Sharpton tanked on that one.

That answer was a disaster.

[MissB]

Yeah, I'll say. Jennings didn't need to be so kind

[lazarus]

10. Why oh Why

do we allow Fox to put these things on?

[girl gone mad]

38. no kidding...

what's with the terrible lighting?

[goodhue]

11. Al knows his IMF stuff well!

but Jennings returns to Fed Reserve

[minkyboodle]

12. Zinger by Sharpton but that question nailed him

Didn't sound to credible with his answer (not specific at all) and this is coming from a big fan of the Rev's.
Scott

[Khephra]

self deleted... then reposted after a second thought modified

It seems as if Dean and Sharpton have a Love/Hate relationship. Sharpton seems to give Dean "outs", but he slams him at the same time.

[Terwilliger]

25. well, SC could really hurt Dean

and that's why I think he's there...to keep Dean from getting through SC easily...I dont know

[Tatiana]

30. I think Sharpton tried to help Dean out on the scream issue thingy. n/t

[dweller]

91. psy ops on us?

allows dean to look good with the laugh, it's laughed off, defused.
good on sharpton to be the bad guy, allows dean an open.
:shrug:

dp

[Terwilliger]

13. brief intermission

interesting so far....DEFINITELY a mean, nastier edge !!

[AP]

14. Ouch. Hooting Hollaring Howard.

Sharpton says, I'd hoot and hollar too if I spent the money you did and got 18%. Don't apologize.

Dean starts laughing heartily. But the jokes on him.

[robsul82]

27. Don't be cute, AP.

If Dean said, "Hey, jerkoff, what the fuck?", you would've said he should've laughed it off. What else should he have done?

Later.

RJS

[AP]

48. What else should have done? Focused more on policy. Release a real

tax policy months ago. Not ride on emotion alone.

[robsul82]

80. Uh...

The question was "What else should he have done to answer that low blow," now "AP's Self-Righteous Guide to Running Howard Dean." Sharpton-like in NOT answering a question there.

Later.

RJS

[mzmolly]

32. NO the jokes on us.

Sharpton is a bitter little man, who needs a new hairstyle.

[bill]

52. only 18%?

Spare me but anyone else pull a 3rd in a primary and have 3500 screaming fans attend a concession speech, they'd better be excited since that just don't happen.

I like Al but he's a bit too much of a publiciity seeker.

Dr. Dean is the real deal

-bill

[Valjean]

77. The joke is on the critics

Dean has gotten ALL kinds of free publicity over a show of emotion. He did NOTHING negative.

So all these Reich Wing programs trying to make him look bad are just giving him free pub. Sharpton is right in this respect. Don't be afraid of hooting, hollering and even howling at the moon.

[Guaranteed]

16. Mmmmkay Sharpton shouldn't be talking economics

LOL now THAT was funny

[Cheswick2.0]

19. it was a cheap shot from Sharpton

but Dean handled it well

[Cuban_Liberal]

I didn't see it that way.

My 'take' on it was it was Al's way of saying 'Move on, people. nothing to see here." I think he meant it nicely.

[ludwigb]

26. Jennings tried to make a fool of Sharpton

serves him right. I swear to God every time they take a cheap shot at Dean I just want to send Dean a check.

[Rowdyboy]

74. You'll be going broke soon, my friend

unless you have LIMITLESS money

[cthrumatrix]

29. not enough time to answer questions ...and too many candidates on stage

they are "gotcha questions"...

you win from this "show" by not looking bad....I wish we had time for more substance

[goodhue]

yes lots of gotcha questions

very irritating

[knight_of_the_star]

34. And we're back

[shoopnyc123]

35. I thought it was harmless...eom

[Terwilliger]

36. back...now Brit "I fucked George Bush" Hume...

[robsul82]

37. Here's a "toss your medals" question to Kerry...

...let's see how he handles it.

Later.

RJS

[knight_of_the_star]

42. He just handled it VERY well

Seems like someone wanted to use this against him.

[robsul82]

51. He was ready for it, good, good answer.

Nice applause from the audience.

Later.

RJS

[maddezmom]

47. he did well

taking it to Nixon and now bush*.

[Terwilliger]

41. Kerry replying to Vietnam question

Kerry sounds like the man who SHOULD be president

[robsul82]

43. Good answer...

...now stop talking, John. Stop!

Later.

RJS

[knight_of_the_star]

And he got a good applause too!

[Terwilliger]

46. Kerry: This president is breaking faith with veterans all over the country

Not gonna listen to Delay lecture Democrats about patriotism!! WOOO HOOOO

[adamrsilva]

49. Kerry did GOOD

EOM

[stopbush]

58. Better than good - great!

[TheDonkey]

53. Damn he made a slam dunk w/ that response.

[Valjean]

97. Dodging Questions

Kerry dodged a straightforward question about throwing away his medals.

You see Kerry is in a catch-22 here. If he ADMITS that he didn't throw away his medals, it makes him look silly.

But it makes him look even SILLIER to dodge this question.

[RichV]

44. KERRY KICKING ASS

on vets. WOW!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

54. Kerry was great there...

n/t

[NoPasaran]

62. Kerry takin it to the MAN

WooHoo

[OKNancy]

45. Haven't seen any of the previous threads

but this "debate" is crap. Questions are longer than the answers, and half of them are just stupid. Clark hasn't had a question of substance, only questions that he had to defend himself.

THey are on again, I'll be back to bitch some more later.

[adamrsilva]

59. Clark keeps getting attacked over past comments like Dean

and he hasn't learned to handle it yet.

[economic justice]

50. EXCELLENT response by Kerry on medals, etc. <eom>

[knight_of_the_star]

55. Lieberman likes telling stories

[RichV]

57. But this one's fine, reflects poorly on Bush

[knight_of_the_star]

68. Interesting style of speaking though

[Guaranteed]

56. Lieberman contrasting himself well

It should work very well for him...expect Lieberman to get solid support in the NH primary

[Guaranteed]

67. K, Lieberman, we don't OWE anyone our LIBERTIES nt

[Khephra]

60. Lieberman proud of his support of backing getting Saddam

out. Now that Gephardt is out, he's the only one with "unwavering support" of the war.

I would vote for the DU Yak over Lieberman.

[Terwilliger]

61. Joe "Trust your sons honor in the hall of the dead" Lieberman

I really HATE the imperialism

[goodhue]

63. Lieberman

cut him off already

[goodhue]

83. DK started kinda shaky but ended strong

[xultar]

64. Clark had better get on da stick! n/t

[BootinUp]

70. He has to wait his turn...don't frett

[knight_of_the_star]

75. They seem to be avoiding him

I wonder why?

[robsul82]

65. From a great answer by Kerry to Storytime with Uncle Joe!

Geez.

Later.

RJS

[w13rd0]

66. Good answer from Kerry...

...regarding patriotism, medal throwing, protest, etc.

oh god, now Lieberman standing side by side with Gephardt in being totally pro-war...

here's an ancedote from Lieberman...about some guy saying his son was shipping off in a month, and he trusts Lieb with his sons life...oh god, he's just completely off his rocker...never hesitate to go to war if the US is threatened..I'll give Bush whatever he wants, but no gifts to Halliburton (hey Joe, how's the Enron investigation going)...

he gets applause for saying something or other

[RichV]

73. I bet Joe's just shocked to get applause

At a Dem debate, that is. Joe usually gets booooooooos

[Terwilliger]

71. Q to Kooch on the deficit...Kucinich responsing by ATTACKING THE WAR

Going on to healthcare "Paying for healthcare already but not getting it"

[Terwilliger]

79. Will NOT cut domestic programs...target date according to Bush inept

gotta stop tax cuts! Bush trying to wipe out social programs
APPLAUSE!!!

[xultar]

72. DK is out just after NH. n/t

[adamrsilva]

78. DK is falling apart

EOM

[Guaranteed]

90. He said something that needed to be said, though

Kucinich is great!

[DemNoir]

76. Whats with the lighting?

everyone on stage looks terrible

[Renew Deal]

82. I noticed that with DK

not good

[MissB]

85. The audience looks good, though

The lighting sucks. It IS faux, after all. Mods suck. Lighting sucks. Time for answers suck.

[w13rd0]

94. yeah, agreed...

...everyone has noticed...

now asking a question of Clark...

Micheal Moore endorsement, asking about Moore calling Bush a deserter (A RECKLESS CHARGE NOT SUPPORTED BY THE FACTS???)...

Clark has never looked at the charge, urp...delighted to have the support of Moore and McGovern...

its about the future

...

[goodhue]

118. center stage looks better than the rest

so Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton well lit
not the rest

[AP]

81. Why that squeak instead of a light when time's running out?

[Guaranteed]

84. DAMN right on Denny!!

paraphrasing "the president's trying to wipe out the government's ability to deliver social and economic justice"

[Tatiana]

89. That was a good point. n/t

[goodhue]

DK started kinda shaky but ended strong

horrible lighting though and I think DK has the same cold as Dean.
These guys need to get some sleep.
Edwards is well lit however . . .

[robsul82]

86. Bush being a deserter "wasn't supported by the facts?" Screw you, Pete!

Dick!

Later.

RJS

[adamrsilva]

92. FUCK PETER JENNINGS

Bush is an AWOL deserter.

[minkyboodle]

113. Biggest load

of bullshit I've ever heard a newscaster utter. Godamn it pissed me off.
Scott

[knight_of_the_star]

87. Jennings just said Bush's desertion isn't supported by facts!

Go read them Peter!!!

[Terwilliger]

88. jennings on M Moore: Moore called Bush deserter....reckless charge

Clark: I think MM has right to say what he says

Clark says he doesnt know facts.

Now talking FUTURE like some fucking Democrat!!!!

[Terwilliger]

95. Clark SAYS he's gonna hold Bush accountable

Jennings persistent

[Terwilliger]

98. NOT GOOD WES!!! NOT GOOD!

[Terwilliger]

102. Jennings just shot Wes in the gut...what will Michael Moore say now?

huh?

[Renew Deal]

109. What do you want him to say? Bush is an AWOL coke fiend?

[minkyboodle]

119. LOL

A THeiving AWOL Coke Fiend sounds better.
Scott

[Kahuna]

112. What's not good. What do you think Clark didn't say that he

should have said?

[Bertrand]

116. you forgot

"Arrrrrrrrrgh"

[leftfish]

99. Jennings won't give up

How could someone call the Resident a deserter? Sounds like he wants Moore to be taken away in shackles.

[xultar]

93. Clark, Good Answer, Michael Moore can say what he wants. n/t

[MoonRiver]

114. The General knew exactly how to avoid that trap, plus

he didn't give AWOL a pass!!!!!

Clark is simply the greatest! :loveya:

[AP]

96. Jenning defines Moore as BAD MAN. Clark, very wisely, says...

...Moore can say whatever the hell he wants. This is America.

I'm proud to have the support of a broad range of Americans.

Nice answer.

[LEW]

105. Great reply from Clark

Jennings kept trying to trap him into agreeing that B*sh was a deserter.

[knight_of_the_star]

111. He is good

Rove is going to have a hard time hitting him with anything.

[KittyWampus]

100. You Are Witnessing An Attempt To Assasinate Clark

before the NH Election.

No applause at all?

[Tatiana]

I agree... they are trying to take him out in this debate.

He's holding his own, most definitely, but he needs to hit one out of the park...

[Hoppin_Mad]

122. It's a right wing audience - Lieb got big applause for Iraq war stance

[knight_of_the_star]

101. Clark just set himself on the high road

Although I would like it if he looked into WHY Moore called Bush a deserter.

[robsul82]

103. Good answer, Wes.

Dickhead Jennings.

Later.

RJS

[kerry-is-my-prez]

104. Great answer by Clark....

n/t

[WilliamPitt]

106. Epic whiff on the deserter issue

[bicentennial_baby]

115. Translation?

[NoPasaran]

107. If you've been waiting for Clark to call Bush AWOL

This won't be the night.

[Hokie]

108. The moderators really, really suck

Why am I not surprised. Are they giving prizes for the longest question?

[Khephra]

110. Clark's answer about Moore's endorsement is losing me

points for him and gaining them at the same time.

I love his support for Moore speaking his mind, but Clark's dodging of the Bush AWOL question and saying they're not relevant lose him points.

I don't know which weighs heavier in my mind yet.

I'm VERY disappointed in Clarks answer on the AWOL question though.

(Dean/Clark/Kucinch/Kerry--that's my order)

[Skwmom]

123. Clark is too smart to get sucked into the Bush was AWOL debate.

Be disappointed. I'm thrilled.

[w13rd0]

117. Ok, they are trying to trip them all up with gay marriage...

...particularly Edwards presently, ties in Dean.

Man, lots of nuance flying around the room...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

120. They're really going after Clark big time....

n/t

[Moderator]

121. Continue in thread #4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=168631

DU Moderator