YEEHAWWW! "America's biggest machine-gun shoot"

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

"This is the closest thing to war you can find," said Mike Mesker, a security guard at the event." (OK - so this guy sounds scary..)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So how many of you DUers out there attended the biannual Knob Creek Gun Range Machine Gun Shoot and Military Gun Show a few weeks back? I wish I did. I always wanted to meet a sweet country gal who can cook and who owns her own flame thrower!

OK - so if the truth be told I am not a total gun control freak - but this is a bit over the top. Maybe I'm just a prude - but I don't think SIX YEAR OLD boys have a constitutional right to own FIVE machine guns. Other's thoughts?

Complete article at:

http://www.courier-journal.com/features/2003/10/20031019.html

[Tripper11]

1. WOW!!!!

:wow::wow::wow::wow:
:crazy::crazy::crazy:

Things just continue to blow me away..when you thought you heard and saw it all..along comes something new and astounding.

[Drifter]

2. I have no problem ...

with children being taught about guns and gun safety (including training, and practise). The earlier they learn it, the more respect they will have for it when they are older.

It is the people (kids) that just jump into guns without the proper training, and practice that I am most afraid of. They are the ones that will most likely be involved in accidental shootings.

BTW - I am not a gun owner, I am for sensable gun control laws, and I respect those who own, operate guns safely.

Should a 6 year old be operating a machine gun ? Probably not.

Cheers
Drifter

[DoNotRefill]

12. It depends...

"Should a 6 year old be operating a machine gun ? Probably not."

Most of the stuff on the line is belt fed and mounted on tripods. They have T&E gear attached. It's not too likely that a 6 year old is going to be able to lift 150 pounds of gun and mount and turn it around on the crowd. Push the trigger, yes, turn the gun in an unsafe direction, not way. Hell, if you wanted to, you could hook a solenoid up to the triggers on these things and fire them from a distance, and they'd still be perfectly safe.

[Bozita]

3. flamethrowers too --- jeeez!

from the article:

For an attraction that draws thousands of people, and even more guns, the shoot is relatively peaceful. Children in Army fatigues abound, weapons are carted on red wagons, and couples hold hands. David and Sunni Michael of Athens, Ala., had their first date here. Now they rent flamethrowers together.

David Michael, a 48-year-old architect, has been in the business of letting customers torch battered vans, heaters and bits of nature long enough to have his own flame-throwing business card. He introduced Sunni to the sport in 1996.

"I knew if she could accept flame throwing as a hobby, she could accept anything," David Michael said.

Not only did Sunni Michael, a 50-year-old interior designer, accept the hobby, she went out and bought her own flamethrower.

more...

[LibLabUK]

27. Hmm..

"He introduced Sunni to the sport in 1996. "I knew if she could accept flame throwing as a hobby, she could accept anything," David Michael said."

Setting things on fire is now a sport and hobby?


What's next? Olympic burning-ants-with-magnifying-glasses?

[Bandit]

4. I must admit I am no gun lover but

I was a machine gunner in the service and at times I would like to relive the experience. I would attend such a meet if I knew where and when. I still believe in gun safety and see absolutely no reason for anyone to own an operable machine-gun. Is it just me are does anyone else have feelings that are in contradiction to each other.

[leanings]

10. hmm...

I see absolutely no reason to prevent anyone from owning an operable machine-gun, provided that they've passed the extensive background checks and licensing requirements. There's only been one legally registered machine gun used in a crime since 1934, and that guy was a cop.

[Paladin]

13. Only One Crime With A Legally Registered MG Since 1934?

There you are, folks: proof positive that gun control and registration works!

(I never tire of pointing this out to you RKBA guys. One of these days you'll learn......)

[Man_in_the_Moon]

14. Yeap that old Jim Crow law known as the NFA is GREAT

I never tire of point this out to the anti-RKBA guys.

One day you'll learn.

Erm on second thought maybe you wont.

[leanings]

17. I see it as proof positive of the opposite.

The emphasis is on LEGALLY REGISTERED. Plenty of illegal machine guns have been used in crimes, providing an excellent example of the basic problem with gun control laws; those who would obey the law wouldn't commit crimes in the first place and those who would commit crimes don't have any problem with breaking the law.

[TexasMexican]

5. I'd like to go.

One of these years I'd like to go check it out.

[Bozita]

6. kick for the just-getting-home crowd

[Man_in_the_Moon]

7. I have been several times in the past,

But I didnt get a chance to go to the last couple.

[thetoolshed]

8. I didnt go to the latest one.

Plan on hitting the next one though. Wow my state kicks ass, we got guns, bourbon and horse racing..

w00t..

[DoNotRefill]

9. I was there...

and I don't recall seeing a single confederate flag the entire weekend. I did find 7.62x39 ammo for $65/1000, so I bought as much as I could fit in my car. I also don't recall seeing kids wandering around with machineguns unescorted by adults. I was on the firing line all Saturday, and can't recall seeing a SINGLE young kid on the firing line at all. The youngest kid I saw on the line was 17, and was with me. There were some young kids wandering around in the spectator area, but none on the actual line.

[MrBenchley]

15. You shoulda hung with the guy from the Wall Street Journnal

He found nutcases there wandering around in Nazi uniforms...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=16515

[DoNotRefill]

16. There were also folks wandering around in Soviet uniforms...

and American uniforms from WWII.

[MrBenchley]

28. Funnny the guy from the Wall Street Journal didn't mention any

[slackmaster]

29. Maybe you didn't read the whole story

From the WSJ article:

"The weapon that immediately caught my eye was the MG42, the workhorse of the Wehrmacht and considered by many to be the finest machine gun ever made. At just 25 pounds, it can fire 1,200 rounds a minute and is lethally accurate up to 1,100 yards. I had to shoot it.

After signing a release form and forking over $55 for 50 rounds, I hunkered down and took aim. With remarkably little effort, I obliterated the hubcap on a rusting car about 100 yards out. Alas, running through the 50-round belt took all of about four seconds. Before I knew it, the gun owner was smiling and shaking my hand. I was happy but wanted more...."

<snip>

"This is a good point to note that although I appeared friendly in my NRA ball cap and eager grin, folks here were naturally skeptical of a reporter. They'd been burned too often by TV reporters who come to these shows once a decade and find the tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms or spewing some hokum about the Trilateral Commission. They then go back to their New York editing rooms and paint these extremists as indicative of the "gun culture." But after just five minutes here, it was clear that there's nothing more extreme about these people and their love of guns than the folks who travel the world over collecting Hummels or salt shakers."

Hmmmmmm. Did you read the article at all, MrBenchley? It appears to me that you missed the writer's point in that last paragraph completely. In fact that is the only reference to Nazi uniforms in the piece.

:D

http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110004165

[MrBenchley]

31. Gee, slack

Most sane decent people donn't go anywhere that there's even a " tiny percentage of attendees wearing Nazi uniforms or spewing some hokum about the Trilateral Commission."

"there's nothing more extreme about these people and their love of guns than the folks who travel the world over collecting Hummels or salt shakers.""
So tell us, slack, how many folks at the Hummel Collectors Club were dressed in Nazi uniforms? I'm pretty sure it was none.

http://antiques.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mihummel.com%2Findex_club.html

From the original story...

"In 1995 a 13-year-old girl was killed at the Knob Creek shoot when the quarter-ton machine gun she was firing fell on her, crushing her skull. Sumner Jr. said it was a "freak accident" that hasn't stopped other young people, or that girl's father, from attending the event."
Gee, if a quarter-ton of Hummel figurines were dropped on my daughter's skull killing her, it would sure end my love for collectibles. But then I am not the kind of fanatic who tries to make excuses for lunatics who publicly dress in Nazi uniforms.

[slackmaster]

32. Tolerance does not imply acceptance

Most of the attendees at Knob Creek paid good money and used their precious vacation time to go see a machine gun shoot and have a good time. The presence of a few idiots in Nazi uniforms need not spoil a family outing.

I can separate tolerance from acceptance. I tolerate Jews, homosexuals, guys in Nazi uniforms, and people who behave badly on the Internet. I accept Jews and homosexuals. I do not have to accept guys in Nazi uniforms or people who behave badly on the Internet.

So tell us, slack, how many folks at the Hummel Collectors Club were dressed in Nazi uniforms? I'm pretty sure it was none.

What does that have to do with the price of onions?

"In 1995 a 13-year-old girl was killed at the Knob Creek shoot when the quarter-ton machine gun she was firing fell on her, crushing her skull. Sumner Jr. said it was a "freak accident" that hasn't stopped other young people, or that girl's father, from attending the event."

People get killed at Burning Man just about every year too.

... I am not the kind of fanatic who tries to make excuses for lunatics who publicly dress in Nazi uniforms.

Nobody is making excuses for those fools, MrBenchley. We live in a free, open, and tolerant society where people are allowed to have and express strange ideas. We tolerate people making fools or even asses of themselves in public. Let's face reality here, both you and I are beneficiaries of that tolerance. You don't have to let people with Nazi uniforms in your home. You don't have to go to Knob Creek. If you want to live in a society where Nazi uniforms are not tolerated, I suggest you consider moving to Germany where that behavior is illegal.

[MrBenchley]

33. Yeah surrrrrrrrrrrre....

Funny, most decent people don't go places where armed lunatics dress in Nazi uniforms.

"So tell us, slack, how many folks at the Hummel Collectors Club were dressed in Nazi uniforms? I'm pretty sure it was none.
What does that have to do with the price of onions?"
Slack, you were the one who dragged in the rest of the Wall Street Journal article, where that right wing numbnutz was trying to spin away these Nazi humholes by comparing them to the Hummel club. Which is patently absurd in every way.

"Nobody is making excuses for those fools, MrBenchley."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrrre....

"You don't have to let people with Nazi uniforms in your home. You don't have to go to Knob Creek."
Nor do I have to refrain from pointing out in public that only the scummiest sort of people would do so...

"If you want to live in a society where Nazi uniforms are not tolerated, I suggest you consider moving to Germany"
Hahahahahahahahaha!! And obviously, if you want to live in a society where armed lunatics in Nazi uniforms are not only tolerated but admired, you only need to associate with the gun rights crowd..

[slackmaster]

34. Looks like you still haven't comprehended the WSJ article

...Slack, you were the one who dragged in the rest of the Wall Street Journal article, where that right wing numbnutz was trying to spin away these Nazi humholes by comparing them to the Hummel club.

Actually, the author of the WSJ article was making a point that the few wackos in Nazi uniforms that are sometimes seen at the Knob Creek Shoot were not representative of the "gun culture" at large. He compared the machine gun owners and collectors, not the Nazi uniform wearers, to the Hummel club.

I believe your personal bias against gun owners has inhibited your ability to read the piece objectively, MrBenchley. Your misperception that I have pointed out here is quite obvious. The author of the WSJ piece did not even say that he personally saw anyone in a Nazi uniform, rather that such people are sometimes seen by reporters and their presence spun to demonize all gun owners.

Please try reading the article one more time. I'm sure you can read it objectively if you really want to.

[MrBenchley]

35. Who are you trying to kid, slack?

"He compared the machine gun owners and collectors, not the Nazi uniform wearers, to the Hummel club."
So tell us, how many Hummel collectors wander around in public in Nazi uniforms?

"such people are sometimes seen by reporters and their presence spun to demonize all gun owners."
<sarcasm>Gee, imagine that...sane people objecting to armed lunatics in Nazi uniforms running around in broad daylight in America. Who'd a thunk it?<sarcasm>

"Please try reading the article one more time."
No thanks. I've read all I want to about this jerkwater jamboree and its Nazi attendees.

[slackmaster]

36. Believe whatever you want, MrBenchley

Your bias becomes more obvious with every sentence you write.

You may have read the WSJ article, but you are unwilling or unable ot understand its content.

My only problem with your posts is that they can be used to argue that Democrats are bigots. But I think most people who bother to check the facts will see your prejudice for what it is.

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[slackmaster]

44. You think I'm DEFENDING bigots?

Based on your constant remarks about Ted Nugent, people wearing Nazi uniforms, etc. and the lack of obvious action on the part of gun owners to discredit them you seem to believe that lack of overt action against a bigot is tantamount to endorsing them. Not so. The guys in Nazi uniforms, whether or not they are actually Nazis, are a small problem for me because their existence casts a shadow on gun owners. But they are a much bigger problem for themselves. I can't really do much about them. They offend me but so do a lot of people, MrBenchley.

But gun owners are not the only group with whom I identify, MrBenchley. I also identify with Democrats, MrBenchley. It seems to me a higher priority to deal with bigotry within the ranks of Democrats than among gun owners over whom I have no influence, MrBenchley. I do indeed take action against Democrats who act like bigots, MrBenchley.

Why do you suppose I respond to your posts, MrBenchley? It's certainly not to defend guys in Nazi uniforms who may or may not have been at the October 2003 Knob Creek Shoot, MrBenchley. A Democrat making bigoted remarks bothers me greatly, MrBenchley.

Remember...

[MrBenchley]

49. How many responses in this thread alone?

"you seem to believe that lack of overt action against a bigot is tantamount to endorsing them."
Gee, not even a cross word afterwards on the internet to a fellow "non-bigoted" gun owner in an on-line gun nut clubhouse? Tell us, what qualifies someone, who smiles and grins when open bigotry is displayed or expressed, to term himself as "anti-racist," other than stunning hypocrisy and wishful thinking?

"The guys in Nazi uniforms, whether or not they are actually Nazis, are a small problem for me because their existence casts a shadow on gun owners."
And yet this is, what, your fifth thread trying to spin them away?

"I also identify with Democrats, MrBenchley."
Yeah, we can tell....which of us is actually pushing the Republican agenda?

"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Who is this "RKBA crowd" you keep referring to?
However I will concede that now that I've read it I don't see anything at all wrong with the GOP's platform."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20403&mesg_id=20484&page=

"Why do you suppose I respond to your posts, MrBenchley? It's certainly not to defend guys in Nazi uniforms who may or may not have been at the October 2003 Knob Creek Shoot, MrBenchley. A Democrat making bigoted remarks bothers me greatly, MrBenchley."
Funny, slacck. So armed loonies in Nazi uniforms donn't bother you, just those people who point them out with revulsion.

[slackmaster]

51. I can't help with your reading comprehension problems, MrBenchley

Or your prejudice.

So armed loonies in Nazi uniforms donn't bother you, just those people who point them out with revulsion.

Go back and re-read my post. I very specifically said the people in Nazi uniforms DO bother me.

Your bigotry bothers me much more. That's why I post here.

[MrBenchley]

58. My reading comprehension and arithmetic are just fine, slack....

"Go back and re-read my post."
Naw, I think I'll just reread these posts...

"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-07-03 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"

"slackmaster (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-07-03 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"

slackmaster (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-07-03 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=21159

I got no problem comprehending that.

[slackmaster]

60. Obviously you DO have a major problem with comprehension

Saying that someone has been careless and passed on misinformation, has not bothered to check alleged facts before repeating them, is not the same as calling them a liar.

I think it's quite duplicitous of you to pretend not to see my point. You're the one who quoted an editorial that said the Assault Weapons ban concerned "automatic weapons"; another that said that machine guns and grenades are illegal for citizens to own; another that said the Brady Bill banned 19 specific makes and models of firearms; and so on. The VPC says the AWB made no real difference in the kinds of firearms that are available, yet others say the sky will fall when the ban expires next year. One piece of mininformation and self-contradiction after another, and you play right along with it.

Those so-called journalists were parroting anti-gun propaganda that SOMEONE originated. That someone was lying. Everyone else who passed on the misinformation was at best careless, and that includes you. I wonder if you even bothered to read those editorials before you posted them. Or perhaps your own knowledge of the subject is limited to propaganda you have heard and read. In any case, there is a quiet conspiracy of misinformation that works exactly the same way the Nazis demonized the Jews back in the 1930s. If you play that game then you are no better, MrBenchley.

[MrBenchley]

63. Yeah, and I'm on ignore, too....

"I think it's quite duplicitous of you to pretend not to see my point."
And I think it's hilarious that you scream "Liar! Liar!" and then claim you never did, all within 40 posts in the same thread.

"there is a quiet conspiracy of misinformation that works exactly the same way the Nazis demonized the Jews back in the 1930s."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrre......

[Liberal Classic]

37. Free, open, and tolerant society

Nobody is making excuses for those fools, MrBenchley. We live in a free, open, and tolerant society where people are
allowed to have and express strange ideas. We tolerate people making fools or even asses of themselves in public. Let's
face reality here, both you and I are beneficiaries of that tolerance. You don't have to let people with Nazi uniforms in
your home. You don't have to go to Knob Creek. If you want to live in a society where Nazi uniforms are not tolerated, I
suggest you consider moving to Germany where that behavior is illegal.

This was very well said, and right to the heart of the matter. We live in a society in which people are free to hold and express unpopular and even dangerous ideas. People are free to wear a nazi armband or if they wish carry around Mao's little red book. People are free to advocated racial separatism such as Louis Farrakhan sometimes does or even superiority as the waste of skin Tom Metzger always does. Likewise we are free to add our own voice to the mix. It makes people uncomfortable sometimes, but that is the price we pay for the right to free speech and peaceable assembly.

[MrBenchley]

41. Amazing, isn't it.....

"People are free to wear a nazi armband"
Hell, it seems to come with the gun rights territory...

"Likewise we are free to add our own voice to the mix."
Unless we want to point out that here's a news story where gun nuts and Nazis go hand in hand YET AGAIN. Then there's all this sanctimonious and amusing uproar from the RKBA crowd.

"It makes people uncomfortable sometimes"
Sane people perhaps. Certainly not the mayhem-loving jugheads in the news story.

[Liberal Classic]

42. Benchley you do have the right to free speech

Even when you are wrong.

"People are free to wear a nazi armband"
Hell, it seems to come with the gun rights territory...

You have stated before you believe that people who believe in the individual right are racists. Here you are again saying the same thing. You don't need to tell me you believe gun owners and those who support private ownership are bigots, I know that's what you believe because you never fail to remind us. However, painting all gun owners with that brush is still wrong.

I know you're going to twist my wods and thrown them right back in my face, but here's a simple analogy anyway.

Neo-nazis and the Ku Kluck Klan strongly support drug prohibition. However, many Democrats likewise support the drug war, does that make them nazis? No, of course not. Neither does it make people who believe in the individual right nazis.

You're right to condenm nazis and racists, but you're wrong to paint gun owners as the same.

Please commence twisting my words and saying things like "Suuure" and "Pantload."

[MrBenchley]

43. Thank koresh for small favors....

Guess NRA life member and gun rights spokesman John AshKKKroft hasn't quite gotten his way yet.

"You don't need to tell me you believe gun owners and those who support private ownership are bigots"
Gee, considering this is a thread celebrating an event where armed loonies were wandering around in Nazi uniforms.....

"painting all gun owners with that brush is still wrong."
Prove it....show me all the gun owners on gun owners forums wondering "Why the hell are there people at Nazi uniforms at Knob Creek!" Show me even one of them.

"You're right to condenm nazis and racists, but you're wrong to paint gun owners as the same."
Prove it. Show me even one gun owner in any way concerned that there are people dressed as Nazis at this jamboree expressing it to one of his peers somewhere. Or show me even one gun owner condemning Ted Nugent to fellow gun owners out loud where gun owners gather. Or even one gun owner condemning the guys handing out "there was no Holocaust literature" at gun shows to fellow gun owners at a gun owner discussion board.

Worth nothing that faced with the challenge yesterday, the RKBA crowd threw up its collective hands and said "If we find one you'll say there's only one" or tried desperately to change the subject. Which failed to hide the fact that they could not find even one.

I've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that many of those trumpeting "gun rights" ARE racist...you want us to believe that not everybody peddling that line in public agrees with them. So let's see the disagreement.

[Liberal Classic]

45. You are wrong to paint gun owners as racists

"You're right to condenm nazis and racists, but you're wrong to paint gun owners as the same."

Show me even one gun owner in any way concerned that there are people dressed as Nazis at this jamboree expressing it to one of his peers somewhere.

I am one.

I've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that many of those trumpeting "gun rights" ARE racist.

No, you've proved that you yourself stereotype gun owners as racists. You did not retract your statement that the gun vote loves its guns more than blacks or uppity women. You've said some quite hateful things, MrBenchley. The only thing you have proved is that you are bigoted yourself in stereotyping all gun owners as nazis.

Can't you see the logical and moral mistake you are making? It is one thing to condenm John Ashcroft, and I might even agree with you, but it is another thing to paint all gun owners or people who believe the 2nd amendment is an individual right as racists and nazis.

I'll say again that neo-nazis and the Ku Kluck Klan strongly support drug prohibition. However, many Democrats likewise support the drug war, does that make them nazis? No, of course not. Neither does it make people who believe in the individual right nazis. Likewise neo-nazis support policies to protect domestic industry from foreign competition. Many Democrats also support protectionist policies of one or another. Are Democrats actually nazis because they share some opinions with neo nazis? No, of course they aren't.

Not only is this a logical fallacy, but you are morally wrong to paint gun owners, many of whom are Democrats, as a bunch of lynching nazis.

[jhfenton]

47. Well said. (eom)

[CO Liberal]

48. Then Answer This:

Why don't we hear the non-racist gun owners condemning the avowed racist gun owners, such as Ted Nugent and others? Why wasn't there an outcry from them to remove Nugent from his NRA leadership position after he made those racist remarks on a Denver radio station?

Could it be that racism is tolerated within the ranks of gun owners?

[slackmaster]

50. We do.

Why don't we hear the non-racist gun owners condemning the avowed racist gun owners, such as Ted Nugent and others?

I have, and so have others.

I'll do it again: Ted Nugent is a racist asshole.

Why wasn't there an outcry from them to remove Nugent from his NRA leadership position after he made those racist remarks on a Denver radio station?

There has been such an outcry. You probably don't browse pro-gun discussion boards much.

Could it be that racism is tolerated within the ranks of gun owners?

Racism and other degenerate attitudes are tolerated in American society in general. Tolerance is not the same as acceptance.

[MrBenchley]

53. Amazing, isn't it?

And telling that no-one has produced even one anti-racist gun owner speaking to his peers on a gun owner forum on the subject....

[Liberal Classic]

55. Most gun owners find racism shameful

Couple of things I'd like to say to that. Speculatively, how many gun owners do you actually know? Enough to gage their opinions, or do you get everything you know about us from gun control publications? Anecdotally, Ted Nuget does not speak for me. I believe racism is shameful, and I am being polite. My friends believe the same. Numerically, NRA membership has dropped since Heston started working for them. People are voting with their feet.

[MrBenchley]

59. Not enough to mention it aloud, though

evidently.

"Ted Nuget does not speak for me."
Um, he DOES speak for the largest group of gun owners in America, with the apparent blessing of its members and gun owner sin general. And an even more repellent turd speaks for the second larrgest group, again with nary a word of complaint anywhere gun owners gather to swap gun lobby lies...I mean their opinons.


"I believe racism is shameful"
Gee, I been saying that for some weeks now, and pointing out specific racists and their shameful statements and actions, while the RKBA crowd here wailed and moaned and tried to twist what I was saying. As we see,though, there's umpty-ump gun owners forums all over the internet, and not a soul there seems to share your opinion.

[Liberal Classic]

73. But he doesn't speak for me

Gee, I been saying that for some weeks now, and pointing out specific racists and their shameful statements and actions, the RKBA crowd here wailed and moaned and tried to twist what I was saying.

The implication is that I recently started condemning racism, but that is not the truth. I have never defended racism, Benchley. I always condemn it.

Nor do I twist your words and throw them back in your face. The only words I have forced you to eat are those that claim gun owners love guns more than "blacks and uppity women." These shameful words deserve to be thrown back in your face.

The Benchley dost protest too much, methinks!

[MrBenchley]

77. Again, who are you kidding?

"The only words I have forced you to eat are those that claim gun owners love guns more than "blacks and uppity women." These shameful words deserve to be thrown back in your face."
I still proudly stand by those words, which were "blacks, Jews, gays and uppity women." I'll stand with them every day. And all you need to do is look at this new "enthusiast's" website to see that what I said was true.

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1127

So let's see you go over there and tell them that you condemn racism and that Nugent doesn't speak for you.

While you're at it, try this thread.

"(title should have said "where will you be November 19th?")
http://du.meetup.com
"National Democratic Underground Meetup Day"
check your zip code and see if they'll be invading your town soon.
JLB Posted: Nov 3 2003, 11:49 AM
Moderator
They also meet at the annual Gay Pride parade. "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=661&hl=democratic+underground

Got anything to say to that guy?

[jurisglock]

82. Where's the negative?

"(title should have said "where will you be November 19th?")
http://du.meetup.com
"National Democratic Underground Meetup Day"
check your zip code and see if they'll be invading your town soon.
JLB Posted: Nov 3 2003, 11:49 AM
Moderator
They also meet at the annual Gay Pride parade. "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=661&hl=democratic+underground

Got anything to say to that guy?

What needs to be said to him? He's advocating absolutely nothing. What he offered was objective fact. He did use the word "invading," which reflects a certain bias, but other than that, what did he say that merits criticism?

[MrBenchley]

86. Ask them at the "gay pride parade"

Guess that means you won't be mentioning to them how disgusted you are with racist Ted either.

[jurisglock]

89. MrBenchley ... enemy of logic II

Guess that means you won't be mentioning to them how disgusted you are with racist Ted either.

Again, where's the logic in what you just stated, and why did you evade my own logical, rational question previously? You have no rational basis for your position, and you simply demean liberals everywhere who try to demonstrate their positions through your constant lack of the ability to discuss something like an adult.

[MrBenchley]

93. Gee, juris, ask them at the "gay pride parade"

I'm sure they'll explain it to you there.

[a2birdcage]

76. Actually your wrong!

"Um, he DOES speak for the largest group of gun owners in America, with the apparent blessing of its members and gun owner sin general. And an even more repellent turd speaks for the second larrgest group, again with nary a word of complaint anywhere gun owners gather to swap gun lobby lies...I mean their opinons."

Um, the largest group of gun owners in America don't belong to any organization. The NRA is approaching 5 million members yet there are approx. 80 million law-abiding gun owners in the US. I've met a lot of people with prejudice ideas in my life but no one as prejudice as you Benchley.

[MrBenchley]

79. Too too funny...

So the largest group is no group at all? Uh-huh.

By the way, more than half of gun owners believe in gun control.

[jurisglock]

84. Source?

By the way, more than half of gun owners believe in gun control.

Source?

[beevul]

61. For the same reason as.....

You don't see non-elitist gun controllers condemning any elitist gun controllers at the top of their movement.

Could it be that elitism is tolerated within the ranks of gun controllers?

[MrBenchley]

52. Too too funny....

"Can't you see the logical and moral mistake you are making?"
Ought to be pretty damn easy for anybody in the RKBA crowd to show us all just what a mistake it is. All they have to do is wander into any gun owners on-line klavern and bring us back a link to show all those gun owners clamoring for Ted Nugent's resignation....or petitioning the Knob Creek organizers to keep these bozos in Nazi uniforms out next year.

It's not like there's any shortage of on-line gun owners forums...or of on-line gun owners venting NRA propagand--I mean, their opinions. You'd think if most gun owners were not racists, there'd be hordes of them expressing those sorts of opinions. But it's telling that not even ONE can be found.

"neo-nazis support policies to protect domestic industry from foreign competition. Many Democrats also support protectionist policies of one or another. Are Democrats actually nazis because they share some opinions with neo nazis?"
Gee, how many Democrats go to public meetings where an economist shows up in a Gestapo uniform? For that matter, how many SANE people see a swastika and think "there ought to be a tariff on manufactured goods and foodstuffs."

[Liberal Classic]

56. No, you refuse to see anyone but the Nugets and Hestons

A lot of people here have told you that all of us are not racist, but you'd rather point and laugh and call us a bunch of nazis. It's shameful some of the hateful things that come out of your mouth. Many of them aren't any better than come out of Nuget's. The right wing has the Hitlerites and the left wing has the Stalinists. There are shameful people in every political corner. It's wrong to point out the lunatic fringe and paint everyone as an extremist. That's exactly what you seem to do every time, call gun owners racists and nazis. If you weren't so bigoted against gun owners you would know it isn't true.

[MrBenchley]

62. Who ARE you trying to kid?

"A lot of people here have told you that all of us are not racist"
And yet none of them have ever seemed to complain out loud about the racism of Nugent and Heston to any other gun owner, anywhere, at any time. Nor have we been able to find any other gun owner anywhere in any gun owner forum who seemed in the least perturbed that open racists head the two largest gun owners groups.

"It's shameful some of the hateful things that come out of your mouth."
Well, I'm damn proud about standing up for racial tolerance and justice and pointing out bigotry and hate in a loud voice.

"It's wrong to point out the lunatic fringe and paint everyone as an extremist."
FRINGE? Like the pretty little surrey, the gun rights movement has the firnge on trop. Nugent isn't some obscure loony, but an actual board member of the largest gun owners group in the country, with nary a dissenting word from gun owners. And Pratt isn't some dimwit off in a corner somewhere but the head of the second largest gun owners' group in the country, again, with out a single voice of dissent that anyone can point to anywhere.

"If you weren't so bigoted against gun owners you would know it isn't true."
Funny how nobody can produce even the slightest speck of evidence to show it ISN'T true. All I get are these bland assertions...but nary a post showing any gun owner anywhere bitching aloud to other gun owners that the loudest voices in their movement belong to the bigoted scum of the earth..

[Liberal Classic]

71. I am kidding no one, least of all you

I am nothing less than sincere. If one believes the 2nd amendment describes an individual right that does not make one a racist. Belief in racial separatism and superiority makes one a racist, nothing else.

You do not debate, you flame. I am not a member of the NRA nor does Nuget speak for me. But all you do is imply that I, as well as the other people on the board who disagree with you, are all bigoted scum of the earth. Otherwise you make veiled insults indicating that Democratics dare not be gun owners lest they are ractists too. It doesn't actually matter that I am not a racist, nor a member of the NRA, nor that Nuget and Ashcroft don't speak for me. It is enough that I dare to disagree with you Benchley, that I deserve to be called a nazi.

[MrBenchley]

74. Again, I'm not the one that needs convincing

"If one believes the 2nd amendment describes an individual right that does not make one a racist."
But conversely, everyone who can be found who DOES believe in racial separatism and superiority also claims that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right, and as of yet no-one can be found who believes in racial separatism and superiority who does NOT claim that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right.

Furthermore, the two largest groups claiming that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right are headed by people who openly espouse racial separatism and superiority, and nobody who claims that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right and also claims to oppose racism can be heard criticizing those racists aloud to other people who claim that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right, even in the slightest.

And bear in mind that pretty much every group and individual OPPOSED to racial separatism and superiority appears on the enemies list of the largest group that claims that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right.

And finally, the belief that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right is at variance with the actual wording of the second amendment, its actual interpretation by the courts and experts such as the ACLU, and the writings of the Founding Fathers, all of whom have held that the second amendment refers to the right of the people to bear arms (serve) in a well regulated militia for the defense of a free state, such as has evolved into the National Guard.

In fact, the published belief that the 2nd amendment describes an individual right is of recent vintage, commissioned by that largest gun owners group, which is headed by those openly promoting racial separatism and superiority.

One is entitled to draw what conclusions one feels are merited.

[jhfenton]

46. You haven't proven a darned thing.

You just trot out the same red herring time after time because you have nothing meaningful to say.

I go to gun shows and shooting competitions all the time. I have never, not even once, seen anyone wearing a Nazi uniform or a swastika or advocating for the KKK or any other racist group. In fact, such groups and displays would be banned from every gun show I attend.

There's a gun show this weekend in Dayton, Ohio. If you'd like to attend on Sunday, I'll show you. I'll even pay your $6 entry fee.

By the way, the WSJ author didn't even say that he saw anyone in Nazi uniforms at that shoot. He was criticizing other authors who seek such people out and focus on them if they do find them.

[MrBenchley]

57. I'll prove it again, then...

Here's some of the blatant racists trumpeting "gun rights"...

Trent Lott led a campus riot to keep blacks out of the U of Miss in the 1960s. In this century, he announced that we wouldn’t have "all these problems" if we still had Jim Crow. If gun control is racist, you’d expect helmet-hair to be four-square for it…but he isn’t. In fact, he’s spent his career pushing the phony "gun rights" issue.

How about John AshKKKroft? Got his career started fighting integration in Kansas City…he’s been noticeably timid in protecting the rights of minorities, and notably gung-ho trampling the Constitution to punish them. Again, he’s not only pro-gun rights; he’s one of the shrillest and most strident proponents of the dishonest "individual rights" revisionist interpretation of the Second Amendment. He’s so pro-gun rights that he refused to let the FBI check to see if terrorists bought guns after 9/11.

Jesse Helms? The old turd used to scream that the UN was trying to ban gun ownership in the US to inflame his inbred supporters. Bob "C of CC" Barr? He’s on the board of the National Rifle Association.

And which side of the debate threw out an ignorant slur in Congress this year about all black people being drug addicts? The gun rights crowd, which at the time was trying to engineer immunity from liability for the corrupt gun industry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A1249-2003Apr9¬Found=true

What about that National Rifle Association? What’s their record on bigotry and tolerance? Well, it’s not so hot…

Outgoing president Charlton "Moses" Heston made big capital of the fact that he marched ONCE with Martin Luther King, Jr. But that didn’t stop him from making racial slurs in front of the far right wing Free Congress Foundation, nor did it stop him from calling for a lynch mob in Michigan in 2000.

But what about the other board members? Well, board member Ted Nugent spewed racial slurs during a radio interview in Denver earlier this year. What did the NRA do about this disgrace? Nothing.

Board member Jeff Cooper calls blacks orang-outangs in public. Several board members have ties groups like English First. Then there’s the publisher of Soldier of Fortune…who can forget all the stirring calls for brotherhood and racial tolerance in SOF magazine (snicker)?

But the NRA is just one group. What about other gun rights groups?

Well, about the next largest is Gun Owners of America…which is pretty much a goober named Larry Pratt. Larry is so racist that even Pat Buchanan had to back away from him in public.

How about racist groups like Aryan Nations or the KKK? Nope, again, you’re talking about big gun rights supporters. Railing about gun control makes up a large part of their message.

Here’s the Texas KKK:

"The so-called gun control bill enacted by the government is nothing but anti-self defense laws designed to disarm law abiding citizens. The right to own guns as guaranteed by the 2nd amendment to the United States Constitution must be protected. Gun ownership is NOT a privilege, it’s a CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT!!! The Texas Knights work to completely restore the right of all law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms."

http://www.texaskkk.com/platform.htm

"There's a gun show this weekend in Dayton, Ohio."
Do let us know if the NAACP is there. Or the ACLU. Or any other group devoted to tolerance or racial harmony.

[jurisglock]

69. "racism" != "gun rights"

"Here's some of the blatant racists trumpeting 'gun rights'..."

While I won't debate the veracity of the quotes that you've supplied, I will ask for you to demonstrate some correlation between the above two concepts.

Why is it that "gun rights" promotes "racism"? Conversely, what is it about "racism" that is inherent in "gun rights"?

[MrBenchley]

75. Turn it around

"Why is it that "gun rights" promotes "racism"?"

But that's NEVER been the question, has it? The question has always been "why does "racism" promote "gun rights"?"

And the new question is 'if "gun rights" ARE NOT a code word for "racism," why is it we can find no "gun rights" advocate even mildly critical aloud to other gun rights advocates about the VERY public racists who DO promote "gun rights"?" And bear in mind, it isn't even that there aren't very many who do...we've yet to find even a one.

[jurisglock]

81. Jesse Helms and double cheeseburgers = Ted Nugent and gun rights

But that's NEVER been the question, has it? The question has always been "why does "racism" promote "gun rights"?"

And the reason that there's no answer to that question is because they're inherently unrelated. Cite Dredd Scott if you like, a Supreme Court case that held (in dicta) that a black man had the right to own a gun. One is discrimination based on an inherent characteristic. The other is a discussion of the appropriate possession of an object. What correlation is there?

And the new question is 'if "gun rights" ARE NOT a code word for "racism," why is it we can find no "gun rights" advocate even mildly critical aloud to other gun rights advocates about the VERY public racists who DO promote "gun rights"?" And bear in mind, it isn't even that there aren't very many who do...we've yet to find even a one.

Again, this is because they aren't related issues. We might instead ask, "Why does computer usage promote sexism?" There is no correllation between the two concepts, and I have yet to see you--or anyone else--demonstrate one. The "gun rights" advocates have in common one thing: "gun rights." The "racism" aspect has nothing to do with the "gun rights" aspect.

For example, Jesse Helms and I may both like double cheeseburgers from McDonald's, but we may disagree violently on some other issue. Could you then say how do double cheeseburgers relate back to another issue upon which we both take an opposite stance? By the above logic, sure you could. Would it be rational? No.

Please offer up this correllation, becuase I've never heard of it before, nor have I seen it in your arguments yet.

[MrBenchley]

85. Hahahahahahaha....

"And the reason that there's no answer to that question is because they're inherently unrelated."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrre....

"The "gun rights" advocates have in common one thing: "gun rights." The "racism" aspect has nothing to do with the "gun rights" aspect."
Surrrrrrrrrrre....I guess all those posts on gun rights forums by gun rights advocates condemning racism prove that...oh, wait!

"For example, Jesse Helms and I may both like double cheeseburgers from McDonald's, but we may disagree violently on some other issue."
Gee, so I guess if Jesse spouts something stupid out loud on that "some other" issue, we could expect you to speak out just as loudly disagreeing.

[jurisglock]

87. MrBenchley ... enemy of logic

But that's NEVER been the question, has it? The question has always been "why does "racism" promote "gun rights"?"

"And the reason that there's no answer to that question is because they're inherently unrelated."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrre....

Again ... why do you consistently avoid logic and reason?

"The "gun rights" advocates have in common one thing: "gun rights." The "racism" aspect has nothing to do with the "gun rights" aspect."
Surrrrrrrrrrre....I guess all those posts on gun rights forums by gun rights advocates condemning racism prove that...oh, wait!

What cause do they have to condemn racism? They're not racists, so why should it be their primary motivation? They're on those boards to discuss firearms, not racism. Again, unrelated.

"For example, Jesse Helms and I may both like double cheeseburgers from McDonald's, but we may disagree violently on some other issue."
Gee, so I guess if Jesse spouts something stupid out loud on that "some other" issue, we could expect you to speak out just as loudly disagreeing.

Obviously, my larger point is lost on you. Until you enter the realm of logic and reason, this debate is pointless. I have asked you numerous times to simply state the reasons for your argument. You have not done so. What recourse am I left with?

[MrBenchley]

94. Too too funny....

"What cause do they have to condemn racism?"
Says it all.....

"Obviously, my larger point is lost on you."
And equally obviously, you plan to duck the basic issue.

By the way, old Jesse Helms was synonymous with racism. What was his position on gun rights, I wonder?

[jurisglock]

64. Why such whining?

Good evening. I am a first-time poster here.

MrBenchley ... please see the URL below for a discussion of precisely that which seems to unnerve you so much.

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1127

(I apologize if you are offended by any of the imagery, but tough skin is something that RKBAers are known for.)

I do not yet have a theory for why we RKBAers tend to not volunteer for the same social activism that you advocate, other than the fact that we have no guilt over our own circumstances. Beyond that, I can't say. I can, however, offer up the following URL for an examination of someone who would be personally aware of racism in the RKBA crowd, but doesn't seem to find any.

http://www.blackmanwithagun.com

I do wish that you would quit amplifying a small comment about the random appearances of individuals in Nazi uniforms from time to time, though. It disparages the rest of your potential argument. There are people who walk down the streets of the French Quarter in New Orleans dressed up like Nazis, Visigoths, Vikings, bikers, dominatrices and slaves, in their birthday suits, etc. as well, but these people receive no recrimination from the population as a whole. And why should they? Where is the First Amendment limited purely to fuzzy, cuddly sentiments?

Let those who feel so strongly about others' right to express themselves vocalize their feelings in a rational, logical fashion.

But when someone says they saw an ant and you first say that they saw an anthill, then that they saw a badger, then that they saw a gorilla, then that they saw Godzilla ... well, it just demonstrates the ludicrous nature of your other claims.

[beevul]

65. ha ha

"then that they saw Godzilla"

This may be true.(see icon)

I new to DU myself...howdy 8)

[slackmaster]

67. Welcome to Delta Uniform

Good points.

[jurisglock]

70. Firearms-related sites

Thank you for the welcome.

Ladies and gentlemen, for those among us who enjoy conversation about firearms and their proper usage, please feel free to explore popular gun sites such as:

http://www.glocktalk.com
http://www.glocksunlocked.com (like Glock Talk, but more bawdy)
http://www.sigforum.com
http://www.ar15.com
http://www.hkpro.com

All full of individuals who enjoy life in their own ways and advocate our natural right to defend our lives with any means necessary depending on the situation.

For those of you who have neither knowledge nor experience regarding firearms, please visit http://www.a-human-right.com and explore some of Oleg Volk's (a relatively recent immigrant to these United States) perspectives on the right to defend yourself.

[MrBenchley]

72. Too too frigging funny....

"tough skin is something that RKBAers are known for.)"
Yeah, I can tell by all the whining and sniveling on that website.

"I do not yet have a theory for why we RKBAers tend to not volunteer for the same social activism that you advocate"
I think the reason grows ever more obvious...and that your thread makes it even clearer.

By the way, I note this....in the initial post:

"jurisglock Posted: Nov 13 2003, 05:06 PM "

Yeah, some burning sense of anti-racism there. You must of spent years fretting over it.

" I can, however, offer up the following URL for an examination of someone who would be personallly aware of racism in the RKBA crowd, but doesn't seem to find any.
http://www.blackmanwithagun.com"
Hahahahahahaha....Pretty amazing isn't it? Ted Nugent saying blacks have bones in their noses or John Lott defending Rush Limbaugh's racism don't bother him, but the NAACP gets him ALL bent out of shape. Why, you'd almost think he was some sort of phony cooked up by a right wing think tank.

http://www.imakenews.com/ontarget/e_article000118313.cfm

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/01/10/ar_northbridge.htm

http://www.badnarik.org/news/01112003.html

Wonder who's funding these bozos?

http://www.northbridgetraining.com/home.html

By the way...swell site....

"I can tell you that anytime you post in the 380 Forum, someone from the Democratic Underground has back pain."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=684&hl=democratic+underground

"The Democrats remind me of a chronic drunk going through delirium tremens. The drunk may see monsters and pink elephants everywhere, but it's just in his head, and purely the result of his own misbehavior.
They're belligerent drunks, too. On the Angry Left Web site Democratic Underground, someone calling herself "Starpass" explains why "I hope the bloodshed continues in Iraq" (quoted verbatim):"

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=818&hl=democratic+underground

"(title should have said "where will you be November 19th?")
http://du.meetup.com
"National Democratic Underground Meetup Day"
check your zip code and see if they'll be invading your town soon.
JLB Posted: Nov 3 2003, 11:49 AM
Moderator
They also meet at the annual Gay Pride parade.
tac17 Posted: Nov 3 2003, 12:28 PM
Oh hell, they are coming to three places that are within an hour of me. Do you think that these resturants that are listed have any idea that they are going to use them for such meetings? Hmmm.....that gives me an idea."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=661&hl=democratic+underground

[jurisglock]

78. Quite humorous indeed.

"tough skin is something that RKBAers are known for.)"
Yeah, I can tell by all the whining and sniveling on that website.

As opposed to the whining on this one? You're holding up the exception to prove the rule.

"I do not yet have a theory for why we RKBAers tend to not volunteer for the same social activism that you advocate"
I think the reason grows ever more obvious...and that your thread makes it even clearer.

If this reason is indeed so obvious, please feel free to voice it in clear, succint terms. If it is indeed so obvious, that shouldn't be difficult at all.

Yeah, some burning sense of anti-racism there. You must of spent years fretting over it.

Why does one need a "burning sense of anti-racism"? Have you spent years fretting over whether your sense of anti-racism is strong enough? Why isn't just living your life and regarding everybody as equal good enough? I don't see black and white, I just see assholes and non-assholes. What's the problem with that? Does that make me racist? If I date women instead of men, does that make me sexist? At what point does individual choice take over?

Hahahahahahaha....Pretty amazing isn't it? Ted Nugent saying blacks have bones in their noses or John Lott defending Rush Limbaugh's racism don't bother him, but the NAACP gets him ALL bent out of shape. Why, you'd almost think he was some sort of phony cooked up by a right wing think tank.

Or maybe he's just a guy living his life who doesn't give a damn what bleeding-hearts who claim to have his best interests in mind think. Maybe he's just a black guy who likes guns. Maybe he's just another RKBAer with thick skin who lets the comments of a few random individuals slide off like water off a duck's back. Did it ever cross your mind to apply Ockham's razor?

http://www.imakenews.com/ontarget/e_article000118313.cfm
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/01/10/ar_northbridge.htm
http://www.badnarik.org/news/01112003.html

Wonder who's funding these bozos?

http://www.northbridgetraining.com/home.html

What makes these guys bozos? What makes "Counterattack 2003" invalid?

Finally, what's the problem with people criticizing your viewpoint at another board? Aren't you doing the same thing here? If you can't handle criticism, I would recommend that you stop having opinions.

[MrBenchley]

80. And a pantload it is too.

"Or maybe he's just a guy living his life who doesn't give a damn what bleeding-hearts who claim to have his best interests in mind think."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrre...and Wayne LaPierre is queen of the may.

[jurisglock]

83. Pantload?

"Or maybe he's just a guy living his life who doesn't give a damn what bleeding-hearts who claim to have his best interests in mind think."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrre...and Wayne LaPierre is queen of the may.

And again you evade logic and reason. I have asked for nothing more than a clear, succinct statement of your reasoning and you have produced nothing. What assumptions does this lend to your credibility?

[MrBenchley]

88. Pantload...

"What assumptions does this lend to your credibility?"
With whom?

[Name removed]

90. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jurisglock]

91. Goodbye

As I have yet to see either reason, logic or a coherent argument out of MrBenchley, I will take my leave. I may be found on www.glocksunlocked.com or www.glocktalk.com and I heartily advocate that those firearms enthusiasts also present depart back to the land of reason with me.

Y'all have a great night.

[MrBenchley]

95. Fresh and steaming from "the land of reason"

Ah, that fabulous RKBA "logic"...every day I grow happier I ain't got a speck of it.

"sig454 Posted: Nov 7 2003, 11:45 PM

Well, Negros kill more Americans every uear than the Total of Americans killed by Muslim in the last 10 years.
Every day PRO-DEATH libers kill more American babies than all ther Americans every killed by Muslims.
So, WTF, why the big deal about some towel heads ???

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=941&hl=racist

"sig454 Posted: Nov 7 2003, 11:58 PM
Wisconsin is the safest state in America because it has the lowest population of negros in America.
period.
no big mystery "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=862&hl=negros

"Volponi Posted: Nov 9 2003, 02:04 AM
In conclusion, for those of you who had enough patience to read this far through, in homage to the ebonics thread, PLEASE shoot me if you ever see me at the "Y" in the 'hood' saying anything like this:
"Word up, dat guy sho do be havin one damn fine looking booty. I be wundrin if he be OK wit havin me pump muh ma fuckin junk all da way up in his manhole. Brace yourself foo', nahh dime sane? Be undastandin dis negroid-american languag, foo' "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=968&hl=blacks

" EBONICS
B Coyote Posted: Nov 6 2003, 02:53 PM
Moderator
I hear this "language" every day.
It's so stupid it's funny."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=860&hl=ebonics


"ppcrusa Posted: Nov 2 2003, 01:42 PM
Damn the democrats.

gwalchmai Posted: Nov 3 2003, 01:27 PM

QUOTE
The only way we're going to beat George Bush is if southern white working families and African-American working families come together under the Democratic tent, as they did under FDR."
Workers of the world - unite! "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=596&hl=naacp

"_7_ Posted: Nov 4 2003, 11:20 PM
QUOTE
the Confederate flag is a "despicable symbol of racism, oppression."
Howard Dean is a despicable example of a dick with ears."

David_g17 Posted: Nov 5 2003, 01:01 AM

the dims must be fighting to see who can attract the fewest voters.

Danimal Posted: Nov 5 2003, 11:30 AM
Q: Anyone know the reason the Democrat candidates all wear neckties during the debates?
A: To hold their foreskin back.
Cockholsters!! Every one of them. "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=756&hl=confederate


"David_g17 Posted: Nov 3 2003, 01:45 PM
DU responds the only way they know how (idiotically)

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/d...&topic_id=75038"

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=652&hl=confederate

"JLB Posted: Nov 4 2003, 11:18 AM
Moderator
Metrosexuals, Democrats and Girly Boys
by Judson Cox
04 November 2003
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/ar...rticle2823.html
With the exception of Al Sharpton (and possibly Senator Hillary Clinton), no Democratic presidential candidate could be credibly accused of masculinity."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=720&hl=sharpton

" People who need to be thrown in a wood chipper
islander-11 Posted: Nov 13 2003, 05:19 PM
Here's my start:
That asshole, Dr. Phil
Ted Kennedy (actually, how about the entire Kennedy line)
Tim Robbins
Susan Sarandon
Martin Sheen
All right, there's a start. Let's crank that wood chipper up and fill the bin with liberal chips!

blackopsglock Posted: Nov 13 2003, 05:29 PM
Your list is almost the same as mine except for Susan.Ill keep her around for a little bondage and foreplay if you know what I mean.

JLB Posted: Nov 13 2003, 05:43 PM
Moderator
Bill and Hillary.

David_g17 Posted: Nov 13 2003, 07:56 PM
buy lot of oil...
the entire democratic party. "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1128&hl=liberal


"2Boxers Posted: Nov 4 2003, 11:27 AM
Moderator
in the event of a real bad SHTF were we have to use our wepons and gear, do yo uthink that we will also have to worry about other freindlies making the wrong asumption that we are the bad guys. this has been a fear of mine for quit some time. there will be no order milatary and leo will see people in BDU's with wepons and not no whos side they are on. also other groops buging out who dont know you may do the same

David_g17 Posted: Nov 7 2003, 12:38 AM
I'll be wearing a "don't blame me i voted for Bush" shirt (so you'll know i'm not a liberal) ;) "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=721&hl=liberal

" 'THE PLAN', Ann Coulter

David_g17 Posted: Nov 6 2003, 07:38 PM
man, she's hot.
almost could be put in the BOTD forum.

_7_ Posted: Nov 6 2003, 10:48 PM
She is that. I also think she's probably one of the most intelligent bipeds on the planet.


BigC Posted: Nov 8 2003, 07:22 AM
To coin a phrase............"WOOF!" "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=869&hl=liberal

"ppcrusa Posted: Nov 9 2003, 01:21 AM
I agree. The queers should be allowed to chunk each other as much as they want to.. As long as they don't bring that crap around me I'm fine with them being gay homosexuals."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=969&hl=liberal


"DoubleDog Posted: Nov 7 2003, 11:11 AM

The more we evolve, the more we de-evolve...Liberals, or "societies enlightened" will not be happy until every little boy is wearing a skirt...
Insidious bastards.... "

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=916&hl=liberal

And check out the graphics of the last poster in this thread, who calls himself storm88front....Nazi youth, the American flag being covered by a confederate flag, and the Nazi's "Deutchland" Eagle seal.

[jhfenton]

96. Nice try

Nice try. You see why I've long since given up any hope of having a real debate with MrB. Everyone else at least makes an effort at intelligent debate. So now my only interaction with MrB is to poke him occasionally to see if he comes up with anything new. Nothing yet.

[demsrule4life]

30. Same shit in Hollywood

All those movies made with assholes running around in Nazi uniforms shooting Nazi guns.

[DoNotRefill]

11. Cool...

Notice the brass jacketed maxim in the background....VERY festive. Also VERY rare.

[CarinKaryn]

18. Great

Six year olds with machine guns. The only thing I can think of that's sicker are the "naked girl shooting machine guns" videos I've heard of.

[Superfly]

19. Won't somebody PLEEEZE think of the Children?

We can always count on you Carin...

[CarinKaryn]

20. Thank you!

I'm not use to kind words from this bunch!

[DoNotRefill]

22. BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!

EOM

:evilgrin:

[TexasMexican]

23. whats wrong

Whats wrong with naked women? Whats wrong with them shooting machine guns?

[leanings]

24. I'd kinda like to get one of those tapes

Just to put on at parties as background as weird visual eye candy. I don't get any particular gratification out of naked women shooting machine guns, any more than I get out of seeing a naked woman chew gum. I guess the nearest comparison is photo shoots of naked or near-naked women stretched across a motorcycle or a classic Vette. In it's best light, this is an appreciation of two finely crafted objects; a good-looking woman and a fine automobile, or a well engineered firearm. At it's worst, it's kinda "Whoa, there's a hot chick on a nice car (AK-74)!" You'd look at the hot chick, and you'd look at the nice car (or gun) were the two seperate, but now they're together.

Now, I'm sure somebody's out there somewhere jacking off to girls in bikinis shooting guns. That's weird. Not as weird to me as having someone poop on me, or dressing up like an animal and having sex. In my case the idea of naked women shooting machine guns would be much more erotic than the far more common act of watching two men have sex. But I'll admit it's still weird. I tend to live and let live, tho.

But then again I'm just a racist sicko gun owner, so what do I know?

[demsrule4life]

25. Or hunting naked women with paint ball guns :)

[Wcross]

21. How many deaths this year at Knob Creek?

With so many guns in one place, how many were killed this year? If you think it was bad at Knob creek this year, you should have seen the carnage when my platoon went to the range on Paris Island!!! Over sixty young men with assualt rifles in one place! Whew, what a week! Death and destruction everywhere!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Machine guns are FUN to shoot, anybody that has a problem with them really ought to try it sometime.

By the way, a six year old can not own a machinegun- what makes you think they can?

[DoNotRefill]

26. Zero...

though I did see a guy fall down and twist his ankle...

[jhfenton]

38. Spring 2004 Knob Creek Shoot

For anyone who is interested in attending, the next Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot is scheduled for April 2, 3, and 4, 2004. I haven't been to a machine gun shoot before, but I'll probably go to this next one. It's only a two-hour drive. I'll have to be careful not to take too much money. I'll have to spend most of my time watching. :)

Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot

[DonP]

40. Leave your credit cards at home too!

I've been a few times and it is a lot of fun. But it can get expensive really fast to test drive some of those grown-up toys.

Yes, there are some kids there with their families (how horrible!).
Next to the Disney organization, it is the fastest and most efficient way to separate adults from all their money I've ever seen. You do walk away with a big smile on your face though so its money well spent.

The flamethrowers were fun to watch but didn't really interest me beyond trying to figure out if I could get one to clear the back acre of my lot.

It's a lot of fun and, some of the people do dress in full costume, Union/Confederate/WW I/WW II uniform etc. to go with the whole re-enactment theme thing. Just like they do for the movies.

Go, have fun, try an M-16 and a Ma Deuce on somebody's old pick-em-up truck or refrigerator. Bring hearing and eye protection though. It does get noisy on the firing lines.

Don P.

[DoNotRefill]

54. What's especially festive...

are the WWII military vehicle displays. There generally are a dozen or more WWII military vehicles there, most brought by re-enactors. Last April, they had an original WWII "Nazi" Jagdpanther there. It was MOST festive to watch it run around on the range (during the cease-fire, of course) I'm waiting for MrBenchley to scream that the owners of it are racist Nazi scum. After all, why else would they have an original Nazi vehicle? ;-)

[DonP]

66. How about all that other German Nazi hardware too.

By those standards anyone that owns a Volkswagen (designed at Hitlers request) or a Mercedes (official staff car for the Nazi's) must also be racist scum too. It's not OK to own a Porsche either since Dr. Ferdinand Porsche was head of design for the VW project under Hitler.

We should probably avoid all those evil Japanese cars, stereos, DVD players too while we're at it.

As noted above, I'm sure Benchley never watches any WW II movies so he doesn't have to see Racist Nazi scum actors either.

All silliness aside, it is nice to see some the the well restored hardware that shows up there.

If you like Knob Creek, the Michigan National Guard hosts a muzzle loading cannon competition at their artillery range up North. Everyone shows up in uniform and some of them are in Confederate using the original; bronze Napoleons. 1000 yard targets, 5 rounds. Very cool, but alas you can't rent them.

One of my neighbors (Post Commander of the local VFW, has a fully restored M38A1 Jeep with a Browning .30 on a pedestal. He would sell his soul for a Nazi Armored Halftrack or original Kubelwagen for the parades. I'll have to point out to him that he's scum for even wanting one.

Don P.

[leanings]

68. Napoleon cannon!? Damned imperialist NRA freaks!

I'd love to have a Schwimmwagen (sp). That would really satisfy my urge to imitate Nazi's and allow me to more fully express my hatred for Jews, gays, Gypsys and the handicapped. :eyes:

Edited to add: Man, my Nazi powers are really kicking it today! I spelled Schwimmwagen right on the first try! I'm channeling Herman Goering up in this mutha! Heil Heston!

http://www.vw166.com/

[DoNotRefill]

92. I couldn't do that.

"Everyone shows up in uniform and some of them are in Confederate using the original; bronze Napoleons. 1000 yard targets, 5 rounds. Very cool, but alas you can't rent them."

While it's great to shoot original vintage guns, I'm concerned about them sustaining damage. I've got a good friend who has a small original Confederate Naval cannon. I hope he never shoots it. It's one thing if there are tons of them around, but there aren't many Civil War originals left. I'd rather see them saved for posterity than accidentally destroyed. This is especially true of Confederate pieces, since QC wasn't really "up to snuff". I recall recently the last flyable example of a certain class of WWII German bomber recently bunkering in, killing the crew and destroying the plane.

Preserving actual pieces of history is important.

[jhfenton]

97. Uh oh.

I'm a "nut gun" and I drive a VW Passat!

Just more "proof" that I'm a racist!

[FlashHarry]

98. Locking

Once again, a few bad apples have spoiled the discussion for others. Once again, I ask that people do not continue flame wars from previous threads.

FlashHarry
DU Moderator