60 Min II - US troops tortured Iraqi prisoners - mp3 & vp3 video here

[Wonk]

for those who missed it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main6140...

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47 M vp3 video
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[Nlighten1]

1. OMG

This is just fucking horrible.

[Nomad559]

12. Windows Version

Video Is 18.76 MB

60 Minutes

[Quetzal]

2. WTF?

Has the military done anything to reprimand the soldiers?

Is this on 60 minutes 2?

[Wonk]

4. It was on 60 Minutes II tonight. nt

[minkyboodle]

3. wow

I'm speechless. Un-fucking-believable.
Scott

[w13rd0]

5. Thank you once again...

...for your being a dedicated archivist...

[Seldona]

6. My god!

I missed it, and thanks for the link.

This is an abomination.

[thebigidea]

7. somewhere, John Ashcroft is licking his lips and sweating

of course, he has tapes.

Black humor aside, fucking disgusting. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. UGH.

May God Continue to Bless America. To Hell.

[Oilwellian]

8. God Almighty

We have become the terrorists. I just had a girlfriend from CA instant message me because she had just seen 60 Minutes II. Now I understand what she meant when she said she'll never be the same after seeing these pics.

[loathesomeshrub]

9. While brave soldiers are getting shot at and killed, thes monsters

seem to be having a ball doing their jobs! The smiles on their faces are shocking! Do I remember hearing something like this months ago? I have a memory of it - very vague.

[w13rd0]

10. You may be thinking of Afghanistan...

...where we stood by and watched as containers full of "detainees" were shot through with automatic gunfire to provide "holes for breathing". There were also some early reports on actions in Iraq, but they were quickly squelched by the Pentagon "handlers".

[loathesomeshrub]

11. Faking sexual positions to humiliate the prisoners is what I remember

I am quite sure.....

[ze_dscherman]

14. Some British soldiers did that

No link, but there should be plenty.

[makhno]

15. Yes

You might be thinking of a similar controversy involving British troops in Southern Iraq. A soldier had sent his "war" photographs in to be developed and was turned in to the police when the clerk discovered images of humiliation and rape not unlike those seen on 60 Minutes. The media, however, let that story die a quiet death.

I'm too lazy to look any links up, but a Google search on "prisoner torture Iraq british" should give some information.

[Must_B_Free]

13. Pointy Girl and Guy Smily and Now Officially Ficked

They thought they were doing the fucking, but they are now fucked.

Yeah girl, thumbs up. It'll cost you big time.

[saigon68]

19. raping a male juvenile prisoner

Part of the Army's own investigation is a statement from an Iraqi detainee who charges a translator - hired to work at the prison - with raping a male juvenile prisoner: "They covered all the doors with sheets. I heard the screaming. ...and the female soldier was taking pictures.

THIS IS GOOD ???

SUPPORT THE TROOPS

[makhno]

16. Damn

Those fuckers are sick, there's no other way to put it. I'm glad CBS didn't blur the bastards' faces. They will have to live this down when they return to civilian life.

[Barkley]

17. Israeli tactics or our own?

This shit better not be real!

[slinkerwink]

18. it is...it was on sixty minutes.

[KG]

20. no photo-shopping this kinda thing.

[anarchy1999]

21. Who is this woman?

I am so ashamed for us all. Please someone tell me this is not real.

She shames us all.

[VolcanoJen]

26. Both of the soldiers make me squirm, but there's something about...

... a woman doing this that is just almost impossible for me to believe.

THUMBS UP!!! You fucking pigs.

[TahitiNut]

32. Jen ... there's no gender incapable of behaving so atrociously.

Women are neither better nor worse. Either belief is, imho, sexist. (But I repeat myself, huh?)

The most obvious corruption is in the entire 'leadership' that has created a 'culture' wherein such behavior is not only conceivable ... but so obviously within a perceived "norm" that they would take photographs! This is NOT an anomaly, tragically enough, nor does it portray all troops. It does, however, aptly indicate the bankruptcy of character and morality that's all-too-common in a "war."

[VolcanoJen]

41. Mike, I know, I really do....

... and I agree with you. But there was something about seeing an AMERICAN WOMAN so personally involved, and ringleading, even, this kind of brutality.

I can't explain it, really. Logic tells me that woman and men can be evil alike, but it still shocked me to my core to see a female soldier involved.

I'm sorry. I just can't really explain it.

[Deja Q]

44. She is not a woman

She is an uncivilized single-celled organism for a prediliction for consuming her own excrement.

What the hell is this? Some brown skinned dude does something nasty to a US soldier, so in return we do something 10 times as bad to 10 times as many, take pictures of ourselves smiling in pettiness about how cool we think we are, and say "Look at this mommy, whee!"

This is civilization?

I am ashamed. And outraged.

[VOX]

56. She is Army Reservist Lynndie R. England, age 21...

I have a feeling that her name will soon be very well-known...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-30-pow-...

<snip>
A Sun reporter on Thursday showed a photo of one of the nude prisoner scenes to Terrie England, who recognized her daughter, reservist Lynndie R. England, 21, standing in the foreground with her boyfriend.

"Oh, my God," she told the newspaper from the stoop in front of her Fort Ashby, W.Va., home. "I can't get over this."

The alleged abuses of prisoners were "stupid, kid things — pranks," Terrie England said. "And what the (Iraqis) do to our men and women are just? The rules of the Geneva Convention, does that apply to everybody or just us?"

Her family said Lynndie England is detained on a U.S. base, but declined to say where.

<snip>

[mopaul]

22. the enemy MUST be humiliated and de-humanized

it makes it easier to kill them

[rman]

23. lets hear it for the civilized free world;

proud and happy to be sadistic.

[rman]

24. how much of this takes place that never sees the light of day?

-

[VolcanoJen]

25. OMFG.

Wonk, thank you for these. saigon68 was right about the enormity of this issue.

[Algorem]

27. Rather was saying the man in lowest photo appeared to be dead,and

badly beaten,in the report.Kind of serious.WW3 serious?Also CBS gives the impression in the report that the blame goes way higher than these soldiers foolish enough to have their photos taken.Higher-ups would come through touring the place,CIA etc.

[NJCher]

28. I am sickened

Beyond belief.


Cher

[maddezmom]

29. oh dear GOD

I'm going to be sick

[Minstrel Boy]

30. I didn't believe the story of "rape rooms"

until now.

[AJ BENDER]

31. I Wasn't Trained Properly !

What a load of FUCKING SHIT YOU MISERABLE BASTARD ---FUCK YOU !

That's part of my problem with the US Military.... a lot of em support the logic behind this fiasco...and they really are attracted by the power of Death that is the essence of any army....like I saw a news item on a guy who was maimed in Iraq...so in the course of the conversation he say (in effect) ... "I wish I was back with my unit BLOWING STUFF UP"... and I thought "you poor miserable dumb asshole"...I guess he really didn't learn anything.

[TahitiNut]

33. Read about the Stanford Prison Experiment.

http://www.prisonexp.org/legnews.htm
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/relaged/970108prisone...
http://psychology.about.com/library/weekly/aa060100b.ht...

"Power currupts and absolute power currupts absolutely." (Lord Acton)


We are all human and subject to the infuences of altered standards of "right and wrong" ... and most of us have nothing near an adequate appreciation for how malleable and adaptable we are. This is an obscene and abysmal corruption of leadership in an authoritarian culture (the military). The military is like a Petri dish for breeding the corruptions of authoritarianism.

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[TahitiNut]

34. Their parents, friends, neighbors, and school classmates ...

... should be proud.

[Algorem]

35. Bet William Bennett wants to hire her bad.

[seemslikeadream]

36. All this right up Bush's Terrorist John Negroponte's alley

The perfect choice I guess


Bush's Terrorist: John Negroponte Sent to Iraq


Iraqi ambassador pick grilled on hand-over




By Steven Weisman
The New York Times

WASHINGTON -- President Bush's nominee for ambassador to Iraq on Tuesday defended the limits that would be placed on Iraqi self-rule, particularly those on control over security forces, asserting that after June 30 Iraqis will have "a lot more sovereignty than they have right now."
Facing skeptical questions about the new constraints emerging in the long-planned transfer of power before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the nominee, John Negroponte, said he saw his major challenge as trying to avert conflicts if the new Iraqi government objected to U.S. military actions. "These are the kinds of questions that I think our diplomacy is going to have to deal with," said Negroponte, who is now ambassador to the United Nations.
The toughest questions came from Democrats, but all the senators said they would support Negroponte's confirmation, which the committee could approve on Thursday. Senate aides said Negroponte could be confirmed by the full Senate as early as next week.
Negroponte said that any decisions on whether to attack rebel strongholds, as the United States is threatening now in Fallujah and Najaf, would require "great political sensitivity" even though American s will nominally be in charge of such decisions.

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Apr/04282004/nation_w/161439...





Bush's Terrorist: John Negroponte Sent to Iraq


Dems Ignore Negroponte's Death Squad Past, Look to Confirm Iraq Appointmen


As Negroponte, responded to Hagel, he was interrupted by an activist, Andres Conteris of Non-violence International.

Andres Conteris, is program director for Latin America and the Caribbean for the human rights group Non-violence International. He disrupted yesterday's Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on John Negroponte's appointment as US ambassador to Iraq.

As ambassador to Honduras, Negroponte played a key role in coordinating US covert aid to the Contra death squads in Nicaragua and shoring up a CIA-backed death squad in Honduras. During his term as ambassador there, diplomats alleged that the embassy's annual human rights reports made Honduras sound more like Norway than Argentina. In a 1995 series, the Baltimore Sun detailed the activities of a secret CIA-trained Honduran army unit, Battalion 3-16, that used "shock and suffocation devices in interrogations. Prisoners often were kept naked and, when no longer useful, killed and buried in unmarked graves." In 1994, Honduras's National Commission for the Protection of Human Rights reported that it was officially admitted that 179 civilians were still missing.

A former official who served under Negroponte says he was ordered to remove all mention of torture and executions from the draft of his 1982 report on the human rights situation in Honduras. During Negroponte's tenure, US military aid to Honduras skyrocketed from $3.9 million to over $77 million. Much of this went to ensure the Honduran army's loyalty in the battle against popular movements throughout Central America.

http://www.pacifica.org/programs/dn/040428.html

Bush's Terrorist: John Negroponte Sent to Iraq




Negroponte's "embassy" in Baghdad will, according to press reports, constitute the largest US "embassy staff" in the world with some 3000 employees, including up to 1,000 Americans.


Yet according to a four-part series in the Baltimore Sun in 1995, in 1982 alone the Honduran press ran 318 stories of murders and kidnappings by the Honduran military.

Opponents of Negroponte are demanding that all Senators read the full report before voting on his nomination.http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ROF111A.html
In a cruel irony, the Bush administration has appointed a bona fide "terrorist" to wage its "war on terrorism" in Iraq.


It should come as no surprise that "on the day he was appointed to Iraq, Honduras decided to bring its troops in Iraq home." (Financial Times, April 21, 2004)

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2...



Face-off: Bush's Foreign Policy Warriors


On August 27, 1997, CIA Inspector General Frederick P. Hitz released a 211-page classified report entitled "Selected Issues Relating to CIA Activities in Honduras in the 1980's." This report was partly declassified on Oct. 22, 1998, in response to demands by the Honduran human rights ombudsman. Opponents of Negroponte are demanding that all Senators read the full report before voting on his nomination.

Reich, unlike Negroponte, is primarily a lobbyist and anti-Castro activist rather than a diplomat. He is director of the Washington-based Center for a Free Cuba and works for some of America's favorite industries: liquor (Bacardi), tobacco (British-American Tobacco), and weapons (Lockheed Martin). He also serves as vice-chairman of the Worldwide Responsible Apparel Program, or WRAP, an apparel industry-backed group characterized by union activists as an artifice for clothing importers to avoid serious scrutiny of their factories in developing countries.

In the 1980s, he headed a propaganda department in the State Department called the Office of Public Diplomacy. This unit, staffed with CIA and Pentagon psychological warfare specialists, reported to Oliver North. The function of the operation was to win support for administration policy in Central America. They wrote op-eds under the name of Nicaraguan rebel leaders and attacked those who differed with Reagan's policies. The Congressional investigation of the Iran-contra scandal identified numerous illegalities which led to the closure of the Office of Public Diplomacy.

Reich followed up these activities by serving as ambassador to Venezuela from 1986-89, at the height of the Iran-contra scandal. The Venezuelan government tried unsuccessfully to block his nomination.

While working for Bacardi, he successfully lobbied to slip Section 211 into the 1998 Omnibus Appropriations Bill, thus stripping Cuba of trademark protection. Ironically, he will be overseeing the Helms-Burton Act, which he helped to draft, which the administration has just decided not to carry into effect.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ROF111A.html


NEGROPONTE - Sleeping Ambassador or Death Squad Diplomat?

The widespread use of American aerial surveillance to direct the Contra murderers to villages where only women and children were present to be killed, the routine use of torture, the encouragement of drug-smuggling into the U.S. to provide funding for the U.S.-backed forces all were revealed only after Negroponte had left his post as U.S. Ambassador to the Honduras. And who could forget the Honduran Anti-communist Liberation Army's ever popular practice of dropping victims from helicopters while they were in flight?

Make no mistake about it -- both Iraqi rebels and Al Qaeda terrorists see Negroponte's appointment as the first stage in implementing a policy of covert violence against their right to sovereignty and will effectively use it to recruit and incite radicals to commit more acts of violence against us. It's no coincidence that our Office of Homeland Security issued a heightened security alert just as Bush announced his plans for Negroponte.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/04/con04178.ht...

US Martyrs Pose Questions for Negroponte
October 28, 2003
By TONI SOLO

US nuns murdered in El Salvador 4

In 1981, a couple of decades before Rachel Corrie was murdered, the bodies of four women were found in a shallow grave in a rural district not far from San Salvador, El Salvador's capital. They had been raped and shot dead by members of the Salvadoran army on the orders of senior officers. In the context of the time, the atrocity would hardly have merited reporting. But the women were United States citizens. Two were religious sisters of the New York based Maryknoll order, Ita Ford and Maureen Clarke. One was an Ursuline Sister, Dorothy Kazel, the fourth a lay missioner, Jean Donovan. By virtue of their nationality, the story did make the news, just--the back page of the New York Times, to that paper's eternal shame.

Those four women had helped defend Salvadorans from the terror unleashed against their own people by the Salvadoran government with support from the United States administrations of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. They gave their lives working alongside vulnerable people and communities in El Salvador. The murders followed the assassination in 1980 of Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero. The women's deaths were manipulated by the US government and its ever-pliant news media. The full facts took years to emerge. US ambassador to the UN, Jean Kirkpatrick, falsely accused the women of having supported the Salvadoran armed opposition, the FMLN. In fact, the four women were passionate advocates of non-violence, accompanying the rural villagers they served while caught up in a violent civil war.

Ambassador Kirkpatrick's statements on the case of the four women were to be expected from an unrepentant supporter of the bloodthirsty Argentinian military dictatorship. Her successor at the UN was Vernon Walters, former deputy director of the CIA, co-organiser of the continent wide terrorist blueprint Plan Condor and promoter of Ronald Reagan's terrorist war against Nicaragua. In 1986 Vernon Walters threw in the face of the UN his government's rejection of the International Court of Justice verdict convicting the US of terrorism against Nicaragua.

Kirkpatrick's and Walters' apologetics for mass murder helped John Negroponte, then US ambassador to Honduras, cover up his support for the systematic forced disappearances used to destroy Honduran civilian opposition to the presence of Contra bases in their country. Thomas Pickering, US ambassador to El Salvador at the time, also gave misleading information on local army and paramilitary murders, probably an essential qualification for his subsequent posting in 1989 as US ambassador to the UN, taking over from Vernon Walters.

Jean Kirkpatrick, Vernon Walters, Thomas Pickering, John Negroponte and other US government representatives sent clear signals that the local military in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala were to be allowed a free hand by the United States government to murder tens of thousands of civilians and anyone who spoke out against the slaughter. Perhaps the defining climax to the sickening murder campaign came in 1989 when the Salvadoran army killed six Jesuit academics and two of their domestic staff at the University of Central America in San Salvador. These crimes were made possible because the United States government consistently tried to conceal its institutional role in funding, training and supporting the military and paramilitary perpetrators. The Iran-Contra scandal was the culmination of that sustained program of regional deceit.


http://www.counterpunch.org/solo10282003.html

[salin]

37. To even get these "poses" - suggests

something awful. I doubt these men willingly positioned themselves in such degrading poses, with only being told "get on your knees and let this other naked guy climb on top of you and this other naked guy get on top of him.... etc."

The links Tahiti Nut posts to the Stanford Prison Project - are very useful in understanding how the individuals involved could have become so sadistic - and clearly feel self-righteous in their actions (as indicated by the poses, and the apparent lack of concern that taking photographs of their actions and deeds might be problematic for them down the road.)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. J,M&J!!! I'M SICK TO MY STOMACH what is wrong with man????

i think god made a mistake

www.ishmael.org
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[qb]

39. The military's own "Micky and Mallory" (Natural Born Killers)

Sickening

[Bushknew]

40. Why do they hate us, Why do they hate us? They must be jealous.

Yeah, that's it, Mission Accomplished.

[Name removed]

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[seemslikeadream]

43. Interview with Dan Rather

soldier told him there was 7 soldiers there to guard 900 I believe he said. He also said that they were never made aware of what the Geneva Conventions said about prisoners of war. So I guess no ones to blame just an unfortunate mistake.

[w4rma]

45. This cancer is from the very top. The GOP leadership is responsible

for this as far as I'm concerned. This type of thing was bound to happen as the leadership only knows how to con, not how to lead.

[the Kelly Gang]

48. you are correct and I remember when I went for my very first job

the little old multi-millionaire who had survived a Concentration Camp and who had a great social conciense, who hired me at 16 ..drumming into me that if the very top of an organistation was corrupt it would filter right through to the very bottom..but if the top man was honest and good..thats what would radiate downwards.

this applies to everything and I've never forgotten and see
examples every day of my life.

The blame ultimately lies at the top for this behaviour.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Think of the concept

These are MP units and they were never instructed in the Geneva Convention.

You see the problem here? These are the NG troops that are NOT well trained to do thier job.

MPs usually serve to suport local cops in floods and other natural disasters, not to guard POWs, wonder why they are not using Regular Army Troops?

[seemslikeadream]

51. we won't forget we won't forgive

[mr blur]

46. Well, we sure brought Civilisation..

..to those godless heathens, eh?

[eleonora]

47. OMG

this is making me want to puke.

[seemslikeadream]

52. FROM THE ARAB WORLD: READ THIS

from Tinoire in LBN


89. FROM THE ARAB WORLD: READ THIS

((with thanks to Chookie))

<snip>

The real facts are that there is report after report of US abuses; on the internet, in the back pages of our newspapers, in personal accounts that with a little luck will now make their way to mainstream press. This is not an isolated few – this is business as usual for the US military and their collaborating band of thugs in Iraq. Is it any wonder that bodies of US soldiers who fall into Iraqi hands are mutilated and displayed?

The pictures of US soldiers dishonoring Iraqi detainees came as no surprise to JUS (Jihad Unspun). We have been reporting alleged abuses since shortly after the fall of Baghdad. We received several reports over the past months of US soldiers raping Iraqi woman, only to find these photos posted to US porn sites. While these photos and reports were put down to “loose” Iraqi women (which shows a fundamental understanding of Iraq’s religion and culture) we discovered later that those who were detained, some at Abu Ghraib prison, who refused to provide US officials with intelligence where given a prod to garner “cooperation” by rounding up the female relatives, forcing then into sexual acts that were filmed and then shown to their husbands, fathers and brothers and to the general public through porn sites. Now the CBS 60 Minutes II report legitimizes the incidents we have been reporting all along.

The Arab world is outrage. The Muslim Ummah is outraged. Iraqis are outraged and so are people of conscience everywhere. I pity the next soldiers that fall into Resistance hands. And contrary to its belief – America can be defeated and most likely will be defeated and dangled at the end of its own pathetic rope for all the world to see.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?artic... ...

[undertheknife]

53. u.s.a. pows ?

does anyone have any news links pertaining to the treatment of american prisoners of war?

[demigoddess]

54. Stupid, stupid, stupid

Where are these idiots supervisors and where are their brains?America has always stood for better than this. i can understand men in combat losing control, but people guarding prisoners??? These idiots must have had orders from higher up.

[Terran]

55. But we should all SUPPORT THE FUCKING TROOPS

Support my ass. This is what being in the military does to people.

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[MakexLovexNotxWar]

59. sickening...

I find these images disgusting. I read about how our soldiers are sexually assulting Iraqi women, and although that's absolutely horrible...I can't say that I'm all that surprised. The same kinds of things were going on in the Vietnam war. I hope for the sake of us all Bush doesn't get re-elected. ..And if there is a god and he doesn't, I hope Kerry can un-do some of the damage.