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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:32 PM
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So what do ghosts do when there's no one around to haunt?
Do they continue to go through their routine all alone and unseen in that sad, dark, empty house, or do they go dormant until a living being reappears? I ask this question seriously. I can't entirely accept the existence of ghosts, although I want to, but I've often puzzled over this question as a topic for speculation if nothing else.

Francoise
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:34 PM
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1. What makes you think they are interested in us?
It's probably unfortunate that we run across them now and then when they go about their business.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:37 PM
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3. I didn't say they WERE interested in us
But from your response you would seem to support theory number 1, and I thank you for your reply!

F
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:39 PM
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5. Though based on some descriptions of encounters they certainly seem to be
I'm speaking of the stories when people are attacked or otherwise actively bothered by ghosts, or the cases in which ghosts follow a person or family to another location.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:35 PM
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2. perhaps
maybe they are interdimensional so they just cruise to the future or past and haunt the house when it is inhabited.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:37 PM
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4. Very interesting idea. N/T
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:42 PM
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6. I've always been interested in ghosts....
they have mystified me. I do see that they usually "float" around in a continuous routine on many tv shows...

I've heard speculation that they're just demons out to scare the hell out of us. I've heard they're lost souls who don't know/understand that they're dead. I've also heard that the world ghosts live in is hell.

Those are all great hypotheses, but we'll never know for sure until, well, you get the picture...

Interesting topic, nonetheless.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:47 PM
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7. Good post, Blade... it's a pity that Harry Houdini
never seems to have managed to come back (IIRC he was, like the Amazing Randi, a debunker of paranormal hoaxes, and promised his wife that if there was a way for a spirit to return after the death of the body he would do it).

I also recall reading that Edison had been working on a machine to talk to the dead when he died, but I don't know if this is true or just fabricated nonsense.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:59 PM
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8. I've had some paranormal experieneces...
but I don't know if had anything to do with ghosts, peepers, idiots or dogs for that matter.

After all of the hundreds of billions that have walked the earth, you'd kind of figure we'd have a handle on this by now if there was much to it. That's a LOT of souls.

I will tell you this though...if I awake from a deep sleep and see a shadowy figure over me with glowing red eyes; you won't be able to drive a pin up my ass with a sledgehammer! :wow:

:crazy:
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:24 AM
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14. LOL! Well, at least in that case you wouldn't "evacuate" all over the bed
(Sorry to be so crude.)

You raise a good point about getting a handle on it, though I'd counter that perhaps folks in Rome, Medieval Europe, and so forth DID have a handle on it, and we've since discarded or discounted that knowledge, in the same manner that archaelogists and historians once dismissed certain biblical stories or mythological narratives as pure fairy tale; or in the same way that so much of the very practical skills of celestial navigation or manual stonecutting have been lost, as I've heard.

I think part of the problem also in our time is that too many of the people who are willing to "investigate" paranormal phenomena are quacks and kooks, while those who should be investigating them -- hard scientists -- dismiss the idea out of hand rather than try to apply their methods to finding out the truth. Certainly many people who report strange happenings must be either making it up or misinterpreting perfectly normal and explicable occurences, but I find it unlikely that with all the talk about ghosts in different cultures down through the ages that at least some of these people haven't truly had an unexplainable event happen to them; for example, the presence of frigid air in the middle of an upstairs room in an old house on a hot summer day. I'm sure that some people genuinely have encountered that; I myself have encountered something similar to it; and science could help determine whether that phenomenon was caused by some unusual (but perfectly explicable) climatic event, or perhaps by some condition, gas, or chemical vapor in the room that triggered a hallucination in the observer's mind.
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:02 AM
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10. I heard that too...
I also heard about a machine that was going to listen for ultra-low frequencies to "hear" ghosts talking. I actually heard those noises once. Scared the hell out of me. The voices were low-pitched, mumbly, and just plain freaky.

I'd love to find more info on that, though.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:32 AM
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15. Ooh, tell us more!
Where and when did you hear them? Could you make out any words or tone of voice (angry, sad, matter-of-fact)? The disembodied voice is to me perhaps the creepiest of all ghostly phenomena.

Again, though, perhaps science could help with this kind of thing. I've heard of a phenomenon called, I believe, "acoustic shadow" (I'm not sure); a famous example occured during the Battle of Gettysburg, when the sound of the cannon could be heard over 100 miles away in Pittsburgh, but not in towns close by. Also, there's a spot in the Capitol Building where you can stand and you will be able to hear a whisper on the other side of the hall as clear as day. It's not ghostly, it's just a function of the acoustics. Supposedly that was one of the reasons John Quincy Adams was such a badass debater in Congress, because he occupied that spot and some of his opponents were in the whispering location, so he was able to overhear them going over their points.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:26 AM
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22. Carnegie Hall in NYC has such excellent accoustics...
that no matter where you sit, you will hear the music/voices perfectly, (if played/spoken perfectly). It was specifically designed to be as close to accoustic perfection as possible at the time, without any electronic enhancement!

O8)
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:38 AM
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24. I'm always amazed by facts like this
that show all the things people were able to accomplish before the existence of computers and calculators, and without the benefit of the past 100 years of scientific research.
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scarlet_owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:32 AM
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16. It's called EVP.
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 12:34 AM by scarlet_owl
Try it out on Google. There are some examples of it you can listen to online. It has to do with the frequencies being different from that of regular sounds or something. I'm not sure about the specifics, I just remember seeing something on it and the evidence they had was very convincing.

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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:42 AM
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19. Thanks, for this, scarlet_owl
No way I'm checking it out tonite though, I'll do it tomorrow at work in the broad daylight and in company.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:01 AM
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9. They post candidate threads.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:05 AM
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12. LOL....Agreed!...
:scared:
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:49 AM
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21. Seriously, though, this sort of relates to another creepy ghost trick:
using the telephone. Here's a hair-raising story about that:

http://www.dads.com/v2n13.htm
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:03 AM
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11. I am a serious skeptic re. ghosts, but i have an interesting story to tell
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 12:10 AM by A HERETIC I AM
I rented a house in Dearborn, Mi in a quiet, tree lined neighborhood in 95 and 96 and my Brother, his wife and their son lived with me. Pat (my sis n law) started remarking that she smelled the odor of pine, like a christmas tree in the house on weird occasions. (We moved in in may, i think) She would say that she would be sitting in the l/r, watching TV and all of the sudden a wave of pine scent would come over her, with the windows closed, etc, all kinda weird. She would "feel the presence" of someone, she would be convinced it was a woman. We found out the house was owned by a couple that had had it for years. He died, she lived in it till she died.
Still, i was a skeptic. The smell that i never smelled, could be little more than a wind shift blowing from the direction of a fragrant evergreen in a neighboring yard, etc. The feeling of a presence little more than nerves. In late 96, my bro and her moved out, leaving me and my Boston Terrier to occupy the place. This house is a classic little working class place. Finished attic that was the master b/r, 2 b/r on the main floor with a kitchen, small dining area and a living room and a finished basement/rec room/ laundry room. Detached garage, fenced backyard. cool...cute even.
The living room/dining area formed an "L" and at the base of the tall part of the "L" was a very short hallway that ended with a door to either side to the bedrooms. one afternoon (no, it wasnt the middle of the night!) I am watching TV and my VERY alert dog all of the sudden walks to a spot about 4 feet from the hallway opening and sits. Now this hall is no more than 6 feet long and has doors at the end of it. The dogs hackles go STRAIGHT UP and he is growling very low and staring STRAIGHT ahead. Right at the linen closet door. I get up and look down the hall. Nothing. He looked at me do that and when i returned to my seat with a "What are you looking at?" he returned his gaze straight down the hall and just ....really soft......grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 'd....with his hackles up...


I realized what was happening and tried to distract him. I even started saying loudly "It's ok BB, SHE IS WELCOME HERE!" (As if the dead are hard of hearing!)

gave me goose bumps.

Mr. BB's hackles didnt go down for almost 45 minutes and i have never seen him so distressed before or since.

I still can come up with no rational explanation for this episode.
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:08 AM
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13. Damn...
that would've scared the f*cking hell out of me! I've heard animals, especially cats, are ultra-sensitive to ghosts and other paranormal beings.

Maybe your dog did sense one. Who knows. Very interesting story. I have to post, but it's long, and I'll tell it at another time. (tomorrow perhaps)
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:51 AM
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28. I hope to hear from you on that, Blade! n/t
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:36 AM
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17. Thanks for a good creepy story! Now I'm all freaked out!!!
It's 1:30 AM and very still in this house. Brrrrrrrrrrr
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:42 AM
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18. Dont worry. They arent malevolent. I am quite sure of that....
again, i am skeptical of all things paranormal, but, it is my opinion that if ghosts are real then they are not scary, just different. Scary only if you dont understand them or what it is that they are. Maybe the scary ones just want attention! I never felt threatened or uneasy through that whole time. If anything, the emotion presented was curiosity, not anger or anything like that.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:43 AM
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20. Did you open the closet door?
Now I'm creeped again!
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 08:29 PM
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31. lol...no, i didnt open the door.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:27 AM
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23. I dunno
watch tv? smoke crack? :shrug: I dont know
Times where I just wish I could become a ghost :(.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:50 AM
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26. Well, if I ever become a ghost...
there's going to be some serious payback time as I haunt the bejeebers out of those who have crossed me in life! Mwa ha ha ha ha.

Actually I think I'd pick a nice old building in downtown Akron or Cleveland to haunt. I'd go to one of the upper floors and just hang out there, doing my thing. Are you working late at night all alone? Ooooooh, here comes Francoise!

Fortunately, according to some cultures, ghosts are able to enjoy wine, so I'll hook up with a tall, dark African incubus and it will be a happy happy time for me.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:50 AM
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27. dunno what I would do, its just the way some times I feel
Just wanna leave.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:52 AM
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29. I know the feeling. n/t
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:48 AM
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25. They remain, but they only need to appear if humans are around
Like the tree falling in the forest analogy.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:55 AM
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30. That's sort of the way I feel about it
that their manifestation is somehow tied to a living presence, though there's something deliciously creepy about imagining them going through their routine all alone in the dark and loneliness when there's no one there to see it.
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 08:31 PM
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32. If they don't know they are dead then why would they stop their routine?
My Dad was a Funeral Director when he was younger. Have you ever lived in a funeral home?

Neither have I but there are some strange tales that he told us kids about.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:10 AM
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33. As I postulated, another theory might be that they go dormant until
a living presence comes along, in much the same way that dramatic poltergeist activity appears to be tied to the presence of living adolescents in the household.

This makes me think of another question, BTW, and that is the case of disappearing ghosts. I can't recall the specifics, but I remember reading about a famous ghost in England who was seen for several centuries but appears to have finally stopped appearing, IIRC, around the end of WWII. The same goes for Abraham Lincoln's ghost, who was observed by several people in the White House until, again, about the end of WWII and he hasn't reappeared since. Just coincidence? Or did the late 1940s, or maybe the detonation of the atom bombs, work some kind of shift in the world that "killed off" some of these ghosts or depleted their energy? If a ghost is some kind of energy remnant it would certainly make sense that the energy supply could deplete after a certain time.
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:10 PM
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36. Don't they have to have energy to feed off of?
You might be on to something there.

Have you ever heard about the phantom Airplanes and Boats?
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 03:27 PM
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37. I have heard of them
I'm not sure I buy into them, though. I find it easier to accept the possibility of some residue of a living being continuing to exist after the demise of its corporeal body than of an inanimate object.

Although planes and ships would make sense if soundgarden was right in his post and ghosts are coming in from another dimension, or if they're some kind of bleedthrough from another time.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:14 AM
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34. Old Houses
Most of the time, people who live in old houses that might be haunted never notice anything odd or unusual.

That is until they renovate.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 11:26 AM
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35. Interesting! In the stories I've read I never thought to look at
the percentage that seem to correspond to renovation, whether being incited by it or quelled by it.
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