Doesn't a part of you wish that Queasy and Duh-day were alive?

[thermodynamic]

I'll admit they're scum and rightfully so, but anything that lands as even more humiliation on W's grotesque shrivelled face is that much the better.

:shrug: It's sad, really, that as despicable as they are, Saddam's family seems to be the lesser of two evils when you compare them to the wretched little bastard* occupying the White House and destroying America in the process... :-(

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. No

n/t

[thermodynamic]

10. Why?

Considering the thousands Bush has killed, and how his "helping" the big corporations and top 1% has done abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING to help out the job market here in the US, which in turn has left MILLIONS of Americans unemployed and suffering... let alone the continuation of layoffs and outsourcing overseas of jobs which only helps our economy to implode. The only reason why America hasn't disintegrated is because of CONSUMER spending, but with the amount of American jobs being lost so the greedy corporate bastards can keep their paychecks as obese as they are... America's not going to last much longer the way things are heading. :-(

Bush* and his ilk are far, far worse than Saddam and his two degenerate brats, and that's saying a LOT.

Oh yeah, as Saddam invaded Kuwait and later the US invaded Iraq. Amazing how well off Kuwait got, compared to the shithole Iraq has become because of Bush's sheer incompetency and vengeance over a comment that Saddam couldn't even begin to fulfil. Bush is truly an emotional, aggressive toddler.

Oh yeah, his mishandling of the so-called "War on terror" has left thousands of innocent Afghanis dead and maimed as well. And his* administration, for any number of reasons, doesn't want a fair investigation into 9/11 - or much of anything else!

That's how I feel. Bush is far more malevalent and has outrageously abused his power and has obliterated any sympathy other countries had given us since 9/11.

I am always open to other points of view, but it's very hard for me to see how Uday and Queasy are worse than Bush* right now.

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[Hanuman]

28. Sorry, you've lost me on this one.

I dislike Bush in many ways but I can not compare him to either of the Husseins in almost any appreciable way.

Your sheer hatred of Bush has distorted your judgement, in my opinion.

I only wish the sons survived so that they could be interrogated.

[USAlpenstock]

48. A sane voice?

Finally!

If we wish to win in '04 we really need to get a grip!

[USAlpenstock]

44. "Bush* and his ilk are far, far worse than Saddam and his two degenerate b

YOU have got to be kidding! Right?

[otohara]

2. Well, They Did Interupt Gen. Hospital

and that pissed me off. Important day in Port Charles.

[jenk]

3. Yes

.

[Robbien]

4. No, none what so ever

Keep in mind the relief the Iraqi population must be feeling now they know those two tormentors are dead. I am happy they got some good news today.

[nini]

5. not really.. I hope they burn in hell

..

[Patriot_Spear]

6. No.

But their deaths doesn't make Bush's* lies right.

Give me back those 240 dead American Soldiers; the hundreds of servicemen and women mentally and physically scarred for life and the 7000 dead Iraqi civilians whose only crime was they suffered under a dictator.

NONE of this had to happen. Every death, every maimed human is on Bush's* head.

Am I sorry those two monsters are dead? No.

Was it worth the price so far? Not on your life...

Saddam aside, that's 120 dead Americans each for Qusay and Uday... hell of a shitty trade if you ask me.

[JohnKleeb]

7. agreed and good point

[thermodynamic]

12. Bush shouldn't have lied and none of this should have happened

But that's not the point.

It has happened.

You also neglected to add in the number of INNOCENT Iraqis who have died. Iraqis who, if they didn't before, sure as hell hate our guts now for the unjustified and unwarranted invasion, brought about by Bush's* emotional immaturity (I suppose the bit about the oil is accurate, but remember - "this is a guy who tried to kill my dad" - the quote speaks volumes. I know people who've said they want me dead because I'm gay. I don't in turn run around like a toddler throwing a tantrum, planning on ways to blow them up!!!! That makes me civilized, but that's something Bush clearly is not.).

Yes, they are monsters and I'm not exactly sad over their purported demise. I am hardly a "Saddam lover" or anything else. They were animals and they do deserve a horrible death (happy?).

But Bush is a bigger animal and has control over much more and has misused his control. Plenty of posts on DU have also suggested Bush is a fascist, Hitler-like entity and so on, complete with pictures. Anything to discredit Bush is something I want to see; even if it means that Queasy and Duh-day are still alive. A sad trade-off, but who said life was pretty? :-( I had made a nother reply going into detail for my point of view. Unless I've gone insane, I make a damn good point or two in it...

[JohnKleeb]

13. Thermody I think I know what you mean

I understand anything to discredit Bush great but even if they are dead I dont think it will do much. I mentioned in another thread that in 1942 a high ranking nazi was killed and in reality things got worse.

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[Kellanved]

8. No

I question the action(s) that have led to their demise.

I don't think, that the lives of American soldiers (or anybody else for that matter) should have been thrown away, just to kill them.

I question the wisdom in killing anyone, who might know the whereabouts of Saddam.

I don't know, why the Stock Exchanges reacted to news this irrelevant.


However: those guys were criminals IMHO; I would have preferred an UN trial, but I wont shed a tear for them.


Edit: I don't think, that the reward of $30 Million is appropriate either.
Whith this much money some things could have been accomplished. In Iraq or in the US.

[MrPrax]

24. Why the Stock Exchanges Reacted?

"I don't know, why the Stock Exchanges reacted to news this irrelevant."

When they annouced the hourly news here, a stock analyst 'flak' suggested the markets see it has sign that the US stay in Iraq might be shortened...
Reading between the lines, if true, then Biz don't like the war either...or the general instablity brought on by the Bush Junta

[asjr]

9. alive

Actually it was E-Bay and Otay that they found burned beyond recognition.

[TXlib]

14. My freeper coworkers were high-fiving and cheering when they heard

Yes, Qusay and Uday were horribly evil, but there is something so tacky and distasteful about cheering over another human being's death.

Sure, I've wished people dead before, but on sober reflection, if I could MAKE it happen, I would choose not to, unless it was the only way to prevent greater evil from being done.

I would have much preferred we take them alive, and make them stand trial. My preference would be life without parole, but I expect the Iraqis would have shot them after convicting them. We at least might have gotten some useful info from them.

[karlschneider]

42. Make them stand trial.........I have no problem with that if it were done

in their own country. By their peers (yes, I know...) but I don't think that was in the cards. Not -those- cards. It's gone way beyond ridiculous.

[DinahMoeHum]

15. So the BFEE just made martyrs out of a pair of degenerate brats??

Doesn't prove squat.

Right now, they could display the heads of Saddam's sons on pikes, and it will still not save them from a well-deserved ass-whacking in 2004.

:skull:

[Monte Carlo]

21. I don't think anyone liked them enough to become martyrs.

I no nothing about Iraqi culture or politics, but I don't think widely-hated men like them could last as martyrs.

[ButterflyBlood]

34. not among the general people

but among the Ba'ath loyalists yes.

[Exultant Democracy]

16. Maybe you'll get your wish

I'm going to put $5 on the two of them releasing a video next week.

[Paragon]

17. Kill Saddam, his sons, find "WMDs", whatever

None of it could ever prove that Iraq was anyone NEAR an imminate threat, or excuse the out-and-out lies the Chimp Administration told to advance the "New American Century". *vomit*

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

18. Of course not

I am not of the school of thought that everything bad for Bush is good and anything good for Bush is bad. I don't see things here as black and white.

It is a good thing for Iraq that those two bastards are dead. Probably marginally good for Bush, but will hardly prop him up for long.

[magnolia]

40. That's how I feel....

...they caused a lot of pain and suffering...it's good for the Iraqi people that they are gone. I do feel bad that the 14 year old was killed.

I don't want our evil leader dead...just death row maybe...or at least life imprisonment. Yeah...life in solitary confinement.

[Orangepeel]

19. No. There are plenty of dead Iraqis to cry over

those two aren't on my list.

Anyway, from a purely political perspective, I'd rather sooner than later.

[ButterflyBlood]

32. good point

Let them die as soon as possible so that Bush doesn't gain any boost near the election.

[Monte Carlo]

20. Hell no. Two less wastes of human life.

I think were a little past due process with types like the Hussein boys. If we are in Iraq, we might as well do some good for the Iraqis and kill the weed seedlings.

[Athletic Grrl]

25. No.

I am glad those SOBs won't torture another soul. I hope they realized they were dying and suffered a fraction of the torment of their victims.

It would be just like Bushco to pull Saddam out of the hat next October. Someone pass me a barfbag with KKKarl Rove's picture on it, please.

[sexybomber]

22. honestly, no.

those dudes were the real bad guys. If we really wanted to help the Iraqi people, we wouldn't have had the war at all... a triple assassination would have done the trick nicely... well, if there wasn't a ban on them.

[Jonte_1979]

23. Nope

I would've prefered if they had been captured alive so that they would've been forced to stand trial for crimes against humanity, but you can't have everything.

[blondeatlast]

26. Hell, no!

And flame all you want, but I.ve not heard of shrub committing rape as torture, etc.

I even hope they were pathetically scared.

[Sterling]

27. Yes. captured and on trial would be way better

for all concerned. Same for the entire Bush family. On edit I wish I lived in the old American Century when trials and convictions and stuff were important.

[Generic Other]

37. I agree with you Sterling!

Lynch mob justice turns my stomach.

[Yupster]

68. Trial and Conviction wouldn't have been better for them

if the trials were held in Iraq.

It would have ben followed by an immediate death sentence with the two of them strangling from a crane in the town square, or torn apart by a mob.

I don't think there was any way they would be taken alive so they could be humiliated for months at a trial, and then publically killed.

They could have surrendered if they wanted to, but why would they do that?

[conservdem]

29. No, and I am glad to see so many others agree.

Capturing them and getting info from them may have been better. Also a public trial would have been good.

[phishhead]

30. No, and no.

[ButterflyBlood]

31. nope

those two gone from the world is a huge improvement.

[spanone]

33. Hang in there, they've lied before.

[diamond14]

35. it was stupid to kill them, if true, since they were much more

valuable alive...could have told where the WMD and saddam were...

and it's real easy to smoke them out with tear gas grenades, etc....

my only guess is that it wasn't them...saddam's cousin gets the $30 million reward to fund more attacks against American soldiers...shrub is being played for a fool once more...

all this happy-talk about Iraq doesn't change the reality...and eventually, shrub will once more be shown to be the fool, much to the horror of OUR soldiers and the world...

[Sterling]

39. That is what I thought too. Why not use gass or non lethal weapons

I have been seeing so much about these new toys they have that can be used to subdue people,

Why not take them alive? So much more to be gained be capturing than killing. Unless of course someone wanted them shut up perhaps?

[diamond14]

41. could have turned off the water/electricity and waited....

lobbed a few tear gas grenades into the place...

it all seems real odd to me...."four charred bodies", no prisoners or other casualties from a SIX hour battle with the 101st Airborne, and all our tanks, missiles, jets, helicopters to subdue these four...one boy, one old man, one of saddam's sons was also in a wheelchair, and the other must have been very ferocious fighter...

seems that bush* is about to give a $30 million reward to a "walk-in" cousin of saddam's....

is this like the $43 million that bush* gave to the Taliban in May 2001...so they could fund the attacks on 09/11/2001??

link to shrub's faustian deal with the Taliban...
http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm

[JVS]

36. They killed George and Wheezy?

[ShaneGR]

38. No, I could care less

But the ends don't justify the means. Spending 1 billion a week on this crap? No thanks.

[Jack Rabbit]

43. Absolutely not

Too bad they didn't get the old man.

As for any benfit to the junta, forgetaboutit. That's nothing but a freeper's wet dream. Do they really think that this is going to have a significant adverse impact on the resistance? They are telling us that it will. After all, the resistance is Saddam's loyalists. Everybody else in Iraq is glad to have Bush and Bremer lording over them.

Of course, the same people who are telling you that also told you Saddam had a large biochemical arsenal that could be quickly deployed and was reconstituting his nuclear weapons program.

When they pinch us and we realize our sons and daughters are still being shot and killed to protect Halliburton's construction contracts and Exxon's oil, any bounce the Frat Boy gets goes plop.

[TennesseeWalker]

45. NO

Stop it. Take what silver linings you can from all these clouds.

[WilliamPitt]

47. Idi Amin and these two dickheads makes for a good week.

The planet is less heavy with bloodthirsty monsters. Never a bad thing.

[diamond14]

49. do you think that "assassination" is a good American policy ?

whatever happened to the idea of a world court?

do we really relish American soldiers used as hit-men ?

there was, once upon a time, trials for world criminals such as nazis, pinochet, milosovitch...and now, America has turned away from fighting for freedom or for liberty or for our country...to simply using our military to kill those ID'ed by tattlers....who knows who was "charred" in a house hit by rockets, missiles, and tanks...a young boy is who they said....I am not proud of America today...

"if everyone took an eye for an eye...pretty soon, everyone would be blind" (close to the quote by Ghandi)....

[WilliamPitt]

50. This doesn't sound like an assassination

It sounds like a thwarted capture and a hours-long gun battle. If you get into an hours-long gun battle with American troops, it is likely you will get killed. Assassination means poison or a sniper rifle or a pistol to the back of your head. This was a street brawl. People get hurt in those.

[diamond14]

54. do you really believe the story that an old man, a boy, and

saddam's two sons (one in a wheelchair) held off 200 troops from the 101st Airborne, who hit the house with missiles, rockets, bombs for six hours ??? this whole thing just stinks...it makes no sense...

sounds more like an assassination than a street fight...OUR soldiers were sent in to kill 4 people, no prisoners were taken, no other bodies....just 4 people...you can't even call that a brawl, or a fight: 4 against 200....I call it an assassination...

-snip-

Bodies of teen, older man also found

A senior Pentagon official said one of the other two bodies at the battle site appeared to be that of a teenage boy. U.S. officials noted that Qusay has a teenage son. The other body recovered appeared to be that of a bodyguard.

An Iraqi witness told the Arabic-language news network Al-Jazeera, "The Americans came to this house and started shooting. They were saying that Saddam's sons, Uday and Qusay, and his grandson, Mustapha, were there, and that one of his bodyguards was there, too."

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/22/sprj.irq.sons/index.html

-snips-

The two other casualties were a teenage boy — possibly Qusai’s 14-year-old son, Mustapha, who was known to travel with him — and a man who could be a bodyguard, U.S. officials said. Sanchez said he could not confirm those reports.

The White House said in a statement that it was “pleased” that the brothers were dead.

U.S. officials told NBC News that the owner of the villa in the al-Falah neighborhood of Mosul was a cousin of Saddam’s who is an important tribal leader in the area.


http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01

[WilliamPitt]

55. You may be right

There may also have been other gunners who bugged out before the final ending...but urban combat is like this. Two guys with assault weapons can cause a hell of a lot of trouble if they are in a building up high with a good view of the street.

[leesa]

51. I would like to have them testify about the Bush Crime Family

but that would never happen because the Bush's can't let the truth be known about them.
Anyway, they probably ARE still alive. This is way too convenient for Dubya and his evil gangsters.

[phegger]

52. I wouldn't say...

...they are--were--the lesser evil. Much as I hate chimpy, I sure wouldn't want to see one of these guys as my president. Aaargh.

What I really hate about the way our government has been taken over is that I'm at the point where I almost DON"T want anything good to happpen in Iraq, I WANT them to screw up, I WANT them to fail. (The government, not the troops.) I hate the fact that I've been put in this position--like a cancer cure that forces you to abuse your own body in order to get well.

:shrug:

[GumboYaYa]

53. Absolutely, I wish they were alive to stand trial in front of their own

people and let the Iraqis administer the justice. Do I wish they were alive to continue to be a thorn in the side of America and a threat to the people of Iraq? Absolutely not. As much as I despise Bush, the Iraqi people are better off now that these thugs have been taken out (assuming they actually are dead).

[stickdog]

56. What?

1) They are probably still alive.

2) They were worth far more to US strategic interests alive and captured than dead.

3) When did "innocent until proven dead" become the law of our land(s)?

[Kaathome]

57. Time to get off computer

and go have a real look around...reality is rapidly leaving the ranks.

[supernova]

58. Hey Thermodynamic you made Sully's web page today:

Check it out; 2nd after the story about Wolfie:

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/

[RapidCreek]

59. No...not a part of me....all of me.

The intellegence which could have been gleaned from these two monkeys would have been invaluable. If ever there were individuals who should have been given the opportunity to enjoy a dog cage at Gitmo, these two fit the bill. Interesting is it not, the administration values in this capacity, fourteen year old Afghanistanis more highly than the progeny of the man whose hand Donald Rumsfeld was shaking, as he gassed Kurds?

Yea....The people who sanctioned and now celebrate their succsesful murder are those who stood to be exposed should they have lived. Mission Accomplished!

RC

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[rainofsteel75]

61. Hey, thanks to all the "yes" responders

From a soldier who will soon serve in the sandbox,

I really appreciate all the "yes" responders to the original message . . . it gives me such a warm, fuzzy glow inside . . . to know that while I'm off in the desert, there is such "strong" support from the "loyal opposition". It is so good to see that the members of said opposition give the Toxic Twins and their Psychopathic Pop the benefit of the doubt over their own countrymen. It just makes me, and my comrades, feel . . . swell. *sigh*

Whatever.

To all those who would judge soldiers from the comfort of their sofas located several thousand miles distant from the scene, to all those who have never put boots on, humped a ruck, carried a rifle or tried to sleep in a humvee with a broken heater in winter or under a leaky poncho in the middle of a rain storm, to all those who think soldiers can just wait around for the ideal conditions to show up, and above all, to all those who think it's JUST - SO - EASY to take someone alive who doesn't want to be taken alive - SHUT THE HELL UP, you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Rainofsteel75, out.

[rainofsteel75]

63. By the way . . .

For all you "yes" responders, the knowledge that you are indeed out there and a vocal and influential part of the Democratic party is perhaps the single biggest reason why this soldier will not even consider voting for a Democrat come next presidential election. Regardless of how much I might disagree with or dislike President Bush's policies on the economy or the environment, I cannot countenance voting for a party whose hard-core members would think that increased deaths of US soldiers and the victory of the Husseins would be in the interest of their own agenda. Politics is supposed to stop at the waterfront.

And I am not alone.

Rainofsteel75, out.

[FightinNewDem]

65. Hooah!

:thumbsup: :toast: :toast: :thumbsup:

Godspeed and good luck, Rainofsteel75.

There are still a few of us who have indeed humped a ruck, slept in a leaky humvee (or a sweltering FIST-V), pulled perimeter security in a mosquito infested swamp, and experienced the sublime experience of a batallion TOT at zero-dark thirty. We know what you are saying.

[Vulcan59]

71. WELL SAID!

Well said. I think a lot of us loose touch with reality sometimes. I hope you and your fellow soldiers come home safe. Though some of us don't support all the president's policies, that shouldn't be reflected on you guys.

[Gringo]

74. There's no call to insult thermo

Bush is the worse of two evils, only because he is OUR thug. Ootie and Cootie only became our business because the idiot Bush decided to steal their oil.

If Ootie and Cootie were captured alive (and I'm SURE they had their hands up in the air when they were shot), they would have to face a war crimes tribunal, where they could regale us all with the cozy weapons-buying relationship they had with Poppy Bush before Gulf War 1, and their cozy relationship with Whistle Dick Cheney in 1999 and 2000.

Their testimony would have been too embarassing to the BFEE, so they had to be taken out.

And NOBODY here has wished for our troops to be in danger. A majority of us think they should never have gone, and many of us think they should be brought home NOW.

[mlawson]

62. How do we know they weren't doubles????

We know that Uday had at least one double. It seems unlikely that Kusay did not.

So, how do we KNOW they aren't still alive??? Yes, Tarik Aziz ID'ed them; it would have been in his own interest to do so.

[moondust]

64. No, but...

I wish they had crawled off into a deep hole in the desert sand and choked to death on their own vomit--never to be found.

[demosthenes42]

66. Think about that

What total and complete BS. The mere fact that Bush's stormtroopers have not broken down your door and arrested you, bringing you to his private torture chamber and feeding you and anyone responsible for running this website feet first down a wood chipper says loads for the fact this country is still the best in the world. However much anyone here despises "the wretched little bastard occupying the White House" no one can deny that if we were in Iraq, and such a site as this existed, Saddam would have had his sadistic sons arrest everyone involved already... and to you, the person who made those remarks about him... you would have the most excruciating tortures reserved for you. Stop being quite so fanatical and realize that ending Saddam's regime is a good thing, even if THOUSANDS of humans -- regardless of their country of origin -- had to die to achieve it... if only someone had had the guts to finish him off the first time (firm finger pointed at Bush Sr and ALL the nations in the coalition back in 1991) HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS would not have had to die, mostly horrible deaths, thanks to Saddam and Co.

[Vulcan59]

70. I aggre with Demonsthenes42 on this.

Agreed. The regime should have been taken out back in '91.

[Shanty Oilish]

67. Ixnay on the Uday

Very bad fellow, Uday. Even today he is doing damage, being quoted to have said something unflattering of Bill Clinton (and by extension, the Democratic Party).
Anybody who'd hang out with Uday, I have nothing good to say about him either.

[Vulcan59]

69. Absolutly NOT!

NOT! I feel NO remorse for their deaths. Granted I wish they would have had a trial and interrogation, I still feel they got what they deserved. Some of the things they did are just horrible. They are responsible for the killings, tortures, rapings, ect. of many, many inocent Iraqies. I wish they could have been hanged by the UN(that is the correct term, hung is not). Really I wish the victoms of their crimes could administer their punishment, but that can't happen.

[EAMcClure]

72. Castor and Pollux may not be dead

<http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/hussein.html>

Quite frankly the photos are appallingly off-base. If they are dead, those two poor sods laid on the slab for the public to gawk at aren't them.

Eric

[cap]

73. For the sake of the living, they should have been kept alive...

We made no real effort to capture them alive. We could have surrounded the place and waited them out. We decided to kill these people.

There should have been a trial or a hearing modeled on truth and reconciliation. Not reconciliation for these criminals but for the different factions of the Iraqi people who were used against each other by these brothers. It would have gone a long way to polish our image and heal the wounds between people in Iraq.

If they were sentenced to death after the trial, it would have been no great loss to humanity. I have a mixed feeling about the death penalty and am leaning against it -- but it just couldn't happen to a nicer unch of people.