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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:16 PM
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Oh, Judy, maybe it was John Poindexter who told you the name
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 05:18 PM by understandinglife
You've all now read, probably more times than you want, the statement from Miller regarding who told her about someone named Victoria or was it Valerie and was it Flame or Plame ... :

Miller wrote Plame's name in the same notebook she used when taking notes of her Libby interviews in 2003, but the reporter said she did not think she had gotten the name from Libby. She said she could not recall from whom she got the name.

From Pete Yost's AP wire report entitled New Questions Arise in CIA Leak Probe:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1221194


Judith Miller's first Iraq WMD article appeared in the New York Times on August 13, 2002 entitled THE IRAQIS; U.S. SAYS HUSSEIN INTENSIFIES QUEST FOR A-BOMB PARTS.

By that time, her old buddy John Poindexter had been been on the job in the DoD/DARPA "Office of Information Awareness" for almost six months.

Let's review that interesting appointment by reading an excerpt from The Guardian that appeared in February, 2002:

Last Wednesday something strange happened. The American population was instructed to panic. Place themselves, that is, on a state of highest vigilance. Some cataclysmic act of terrorism would happen -- within hours. But nothing terrible happened. Something creepy did. On Thursday there was an inconspicuous news item. John M Poindexter had been appointed to head a new agency "to counter attacks on the US", such as Wednesday's no-show. It is equivalent, in British terms, to Jeffrey Archer being made chancellor of the exchequer.

The agency which Poindexter will run is called the Information Awareness Office. You want to know what that is? Think, Big Brother is Watching You. IAO will supply federal officials with "instant" analysis on what is being written on email and said on phones all over the US. Domestic espionage.

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He and Oliver North were found to be up to their necks in the Iran-Contra (guns for hostages) scam, which blew up in 1986. Poindexter was charged and found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and the destruction of evidence in 1990; this was overturned on appeal the following year. The case against them was that they meticulously wiped out 5,000 incriminating emails -- but forgot about the back-up tapes. Even smart guys goof sometimes.

His excuse for his behavior was brazen: "I made a very deliberate decision not to tell the president so that I could insulate him from the decision and provide some future deniability for the president if it ever leaked out." In other words, he gave himself the right to run America's foreign policy behind the back of the commander in chief. Who the hell voted for John M Poindexter?

Link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4358017,00.html


Now, about that "old buddy" relationship between Judy and John that I alluded, above:

Nine years into her tenure at the New York Times, she participated in John Poindexter's disinformation campaign against Libya for the Reagan administration. As Bob Woodward later revealed in the Washington Post, Miller planted Poindexter's propaganda in her own writings: claiming that el-Khadaffi was being betrayed from within his own country, that he had sunk into depression, and that he had turned to drugs. Miller went on to claim Khadaffi had tried to have sex with her, but lost interest when she claimed Jewish heritage.

Khadaffi, you'll remember, was the 80's Saddam Hussein (back when Saddam Hussein was still cool). Muammar was Reagan's "Mad Dog of the Middle East," which is kinda weird when you consider that Libya is in North Africa. As you'll see at the bottom of this article, there was no event on earth that Republicans would not attach to his name for the sake of justifying what they wanted to do in the region anyway. He was our blame-sink at that time. Other Muslims have since taken his place. It's all still the same game, and Judith has been playing it since the days of skinny ties and perms.

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But Miller's entire journalistic approach was flawed. A few months after the aluminum tubes story, a former CIA analyst, who has observed Miller's professional products and relationships for years, explained to me how simple it was to manipulate the correspondent and her newspaper.


"The White House had a perfect deal with Miller," he said. "Chalabi is providing the Bush people with the information they need to support their political objectives with Iraq, and he is supplying the same material to Judy Miller. Chalabi tips her on something and then she goes to the White House, which has already heard the same thing from Chalabi, and she gets it corroborated by some insider she always describes as a 'senior administration official.' She also got the Pentagon to confirm things for her, which made sense, since they were working so closely with Chalabi. Too bad Judy didn't spend a little more time talking to those of us in the intelligence community who had information that contradicted almost everything Chalabi said."


Her long career as a propaganda outlet hardly distinguishes her, even in the 1980s. Among these examples (.pdf) you'll notice that the same story keeps being told about different people to justify the same policies:


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/8/16033/61733


Given the pattern of planting information and the tendency of two people to do what they want and not bother to tell their boss(es), one might want to ask Judy and John if they had a chat with each other about Valerie Plame.

Hopefully, Mr. Fitzgerald already has and maybe, soon, Judy will tell all of us that she remembered that her John is Poindexter, if not Bolton (or maybe it's both).


Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:23 PM
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1. Thank you UL. Luckily it appears Ms. Miller's planting days are over in
journalism (unless fox hires her as a consultant). Have you heard if she received that 1st Amendment award from the Society for Professional Journalism? I've wondered if they would have a change of heart.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:42 AM
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22. I think she's still on to receive it today .... though many continue ...
... to protest it.


Peace.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:27 PM
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2. Great find! I had no idea Miller had been carrying water for so long
I am approaching asymptotically the conclusion she is an agent of the Neocon/Likud undercover as a reporter for the NY Times.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:29 PM
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3. What a find. Thanks, understandinglife.
Fantastic knitting together of history and the present. I'm old enough to remember that "deniablity" line from Poindexter the first time around.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:38 PM
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4. Plausibility deniability: There was a group of people in the room, hence
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 05:38 PM by izzybeans
"I'm not quite sure which treasonous bastard explicitly broke the law during our escape into espionage. There were so many of us in the room at that particular moment. This turncoat thing is hard work you know." "Oh no. Was it karl? Dick? Rummie? Condi? Scoots? I declare, I just do not recall."

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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:38 PM
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5. Do you know if Poindexter attended
the White House Party of Julu 16th that they are speaking about here?

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002419.html
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:52 PM
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8. Be sure to look at the pnionline.com link above. Very interesting
tidbits to lock in your memeory. Andrea Mitchell. Yes, it would be interesting to know if Poindexter was there. If not, the article is still fascinating.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:02 PM
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9. Interesting article on Poindexter from July of 2003 -.
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 07:03 PM by higher class
By Peter Kammerer Foreign Editor.

31 July 2003
South China Morning Post
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snip

"The row over the Pentagon's plan to develop a futures market in possible terrorist acts has once again snared John Poindexter in controversy.

Mr Poindexter is the head of the Pentagon's Terrorism Information Awareness office, which developed the software as part of the plan to help the US predict when and where terrorists will strike."

snip

http://hanson.gmu.edu/PAM/press2/SouthChinaMorningPost-7-31-03.txt

It appears Miller was not working for the CIA, but she sure appeared to have been in with the DOD. Poindexter = DOD/Pentagon
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:13 PM
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13. Here is an paragraph from the article linking Poindxter and Ford -
Poindexter worked in the Ford admin.

The chairman of Democrats Abroad Hong Kong, Michael Ceurvorst, said
yesterday a surprising number of officials from Republican president Gerald F ord's administration in the mid-1970s were now serving under Mr Bush. They had also served under Mr Reagan and Mr Bush's father. "To understand this administration, you need to understand the politics of association and in Poindexter's case, (is he) guilty or not," Mr Ceurvorst said."
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:20 PM
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14. It gets thicker and thicker.
Can you imagine what a diagram following Fitzgerald's path through this mess would look like?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:08 PM
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16. Yes, and here is one such diagram ....
...



And, a recent DU link that contains it and other pertinent links:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5080754


Plus, the always valuable Think Progress tally sheet:

http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal


Peace.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:39 PM
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6.  Recommended Topic for Greatest Page n/t
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:43 PM
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7. Recommended, #5
Very interesting, thanks for finding this!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:09 PM
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10. Judy, Judy, Judy
I fear it's only going to get worse for you.
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:10 PM
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11. UL striking gold again.
I still have to backread a link.. but wow.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:12 PM
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12. This whole deal should be renamed "IranContraPlameGate.
Beautiful catch, UL.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:44 PM
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15. Agree. And, check the photo in this one ....
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:15 PM
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17. Nice, nice, very excellent insight.
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 10:15 PM by crispini
Reommended.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:42 PM
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18. Maybe she smuggled it out of the White House in her pants ...
... Like Ollie North had Fawn Hall do.

http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 12:36 AM
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19. "it's clear that there were more red flags popping up around Judy Miller's
... work as a journalist than at a May Day parade in Red Square.

We now know that Miller's bosses were being warned about serious credibility problems with her reporting as far back as 2000 -- a warning that came from a Pulitzer Prize-winning colleague of Miller who was so disturbed by her journalistic methods he took the extraordinary step of writing a warning memo to his editors and then asked that his byline not appear on an article they had both worked on.

In today's WaPo, Howard Kurtz quotes from a December 2000 memo sent by Craig Pyes, a two time Pulitzer winner who had worked with Miller on a series of Times stories on al-Qaeda.

"I'm not willing to work further on this project with Judy Miller... I do not trust her work, her judgment, or her conduct. She is an advocate, and her actions threaten the integrity of the enterprise, and of everyone who works with her. . . . She has turned in a draft of a story of a collective enterprise that is little more than dictation from government sources over several days, filled with unproven assertions and factual inaccuracies," and "tried to stampede it into the paper."

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From Judy Miller’s Reporting: A Cancer on the New York Times? by Arianna Huffington on October 17, 2005

More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/judy-millers-reporting_b_9055.html


No excuses, 'old grey lady'; no excuses Sulzberger & Keller -- NONE.

You were warned. And, if you had done even a tiny bit of investigative work you would not have hired her unless, of course, you had done that investigative work and determined that Ms. Miller was exactly the neoconster, new American century, propagandist-in-chief you wanted to support.


Peace.
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:29 AM
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20. She sure has a page from his playbook on not remembering things.
He was famous for remembering almost nothing during the Iran-Contra hearings (and smoking his pipe all the while.)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:24 AM
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21. Yes, indeed!
Peace.
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