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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:42 PM
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Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.


Turd Blossom Rove and Scooter Libby dont operate in a vacuum. They do not decide what policies to implement. They ONLY do what theyre told to do by Smirking Bush and Sneering Cheney, like which political opponent to destroy or which CIA agent to out.



So, it isnt just Rove & Libby Bush & Cheney also are traitors. Otherwise, these turds would want to find out who damaged national security by outing a top U.S. intelligence operative and her entire Organization.



Rove's Leak Points to Bush Conspiracy

By Robert Parry
July 11, 2005

A key national security principle for dealing with top-secret information, such as the identity of undercover CIA officers, is strict compartmentalization, often called the need to know which raises the question why George W. Bushs chief political adviser Karl Rove would know anything about the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame.

The answer to that mystery why was Rove involved may be more crucial to unraveling who was behind the illegal leaking of Plames name and the subsequent cover-up than even the identity of which Bush officials passed the information to right-wing pundit Robert Novak for his infamous column on July 14, 2003.

SNIP

By contrast, George W. Bush has taken no known disciplinary action against anyone for letting the identity of a covert CIA officer leak out. Rove played a prominent role in Bush's reelection campaign and has since been promoted to deputy White House chief of staff.

Nor has Bush done anything to discourage his right-wing supporters from denigrating Wilson, who gets routinely mocked as a flaky self-promoter or a partisan Democrat.

These orchestrated attacks on Wilson have continued despite the fact that U.S. government investigations including several ordered by Bush himself have corroborated the absence of a pre-invasion Iraqi nuclear weapons program.

So, this long-term pattern of White House behavior suggests that negligence isnt the whole story. Rather it looks as if the dissemination of Plames identity may have crossed the line into a criminal conspiracy at the highest levels of the U.S. government.

CONTINUED

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/071105.html



Now that the Congress is run by the neo-Confederacy and the Courts are PACKED with Federalist Society nutjobs, we, as a nation, are in some serious doo-doo. The reason? If they wont even investigate TREASON on the part of the White House, they sure as heck arent going to impeach the traitors responsible.

Pat Roberts (R-KKKansas), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, is gearing up for an investigation of the Fitzgerald investigation. I kid you not.



Senate Panel to Examine Use of Cover by U.S. Spies

By Scott Shane
The New York Times, July 25, 2005

The Senate Intelligence Committee will conduct hearings on American spy agencies' use of cover to protect the identities of intelligence officers, the committee chairman said on Sunday.

The chairman, Senator Pat Roberts, Republican of Kansas, said on the CNN program "Late Edition" that the committee was "going to go into quite a series of hearings in regard to cover." The practice of intelligence cover has come under scrutiny during the investigation of the disclosure of the C.I.A. employment of Valerie Wilson, who had worked under cover for the agency for 18 years before being publicly identified as a C.I.A. operative in 2003.

SNIP

Some Republicans have minimized the significance of the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's identity, noting not only her working at C.I.A. headquarters but also the fact that she did not have an in-depth cover story: her purported employer, a shell company created by the agency, was little more than a Boston post office box. They have also questioned whether the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act applied to her, because the law applies only to officers who have served overseas under cover in the previous five years.

But agency officials apparently believe that the law does apply to Ms. Wilson, possibly because she took overseas business trips in the five years before 2003. The C.I.A. sought an investigation, and the Justice Department and Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, concurred in choosing to pursue the case.

CONTINUED

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/politics/25leak.html?...





Wayne Madsen says Roberts plans to pull off an Iran-Contra. Remember how Poindexter and North got convictions overturned was by telling the GOP-controlled appellate court that they were given immunity for their Congressional testimony. So, someday soon, Turd Blossom and Scooter and whoever the heck else Fitzgerald plans to indict will testify with immunity from prosecution before Congress, seriously screwing up any chance of putting these traitorous slugs on trial. And thus keeping the Smirk and Sneer in charge of all the nukes.



Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) intends to interfere in Fitzgerald probe.

By Wayne Madsen
July 26, 2005

Senator Pat Roberts, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, announced that his commitee will be "reviewing" the criminal probe by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald of the White House leak of the identities of covert CIA agents. If Roberts is serious and not just grandstanding, this may indicate that the White House is looking to give Fitzgerald's targets (Karl Rove, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, and others) congressional general immunity from prosecution in return for their testimony before Roberts' committee. This was the method by which John Poindexter and Oliver North were able to avoid jail time for their roles in Iran-contra, their convictions being overturned by a federal appeals court because of their previously granted congressional immunity. There is also a bit of Watergate redux in Roberts' statement. Pressure by the GOP on Fitzgerald is reminiscent of the Nixon administration's decision to fire Watergate prosecutor Archibald Cox. That prompted the resignations of Nixon's Attorney and Deputy Attorney General. Meanwhile, the Karl Rove/neocon spin machine is stepping up its criticism of ex-CIA officers who are defending Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson. The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) director Gary Schmitt penned a screed in William Kristol's and Rupert Murdoch's Weekly Standard attacking former CIA officer and Valerie Plame colleague Larry Johnson, who gave the Democratic weekly radio response to Bush's address on July 23. The neocon attack on CIA veterans, including the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), began in earnest on the/Republican Freerepublic.com site, a bevy of white supremacists, JDLers, and John Birchers largely based in California's San Joaquin Valley and Orange County.

SOURCE:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com /



So, CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS DONT WANT TO FIND OUT IF THERE ARE TRAITORS IN THE WHITE HOUSE? Gee. Here in Reality World, thats bad. Real, real bad. And thats why I call these turds and slugs the Bush Family Evil Empire. They represent the world's greatest criminal enterprise ever. And they're whats got me worried for our future, a future which is determined largely by the traitors in the White House.



Here's why I worry. Cheney, when he was Secretary of Defense in 1989, helped grease the wheels for the sale of 50 (fifty) F-16 fighter-bombers to Pakistan, who had the technology to convert them to nuclear bombers.



The Veep and Pakistan

Cheney Helped Cover-Up Nuclear Proliferation in 1989, So Pentagon Could Sell Pakistan Fighter Jets


By JASON LEOPOLD

When news of Pakistan's clandestine program involving its top nuclear scientist selling rogue nations, such as Iran and North Korea, blueprints for building an atomic bomb was uncovered last month, the world's leaders waited, with baited breath, to see what type of punishment President Bush would bestow upon Pakistan's President Pervez Musharaff.

SNIP...

Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and top members of the administration reacted with shock when they found out that Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistan's top nuclear scientist, spent the past 15 years selling outlaw nations nuclear technology and equipment. So it was sort of a surprise when Bush, upon finding out about Khan's proliferation of nuclear technology, let Pakistan off with a slap on the wrist. But it was all an act. In fact, it was actually a cover-up designed to shield Cheney because he knew about the proliferation for more than a decade and did nothing to stop it.

SNIP...

In 1989, the year Khan first started selling nuclear secrets on the black-market; Richard Barlow, a young intelligence analyst working for the Pentagon prepared a shocking report for Cheney, who was then working as Secretary of Defense under the first President Bush administration: Pakistan built an atomic bomb and was selling its nuclear equipment to countries the U.S. said was sponsoring terrorism.

But Barlow's findings, as reported in a January 2002 story in the magazine Mother Jones, were "politically inconvenient."

"A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad," Mother Jones reported.

SNIP...

Cheney dismissed Barlow's report because he desperately wanted to sell Pakistan the F-16 fighter planes. Several months later, a Pentagon official was told by Cheney to downplay Pakistan's nuclear capabilities when he testified on the threat before Congress. Barlow complained to his bosses at the Pentagon and was fired.

CONTINUED

http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold03082004.html



America! Please wake up! The country, the Constitution and your familys safety depend on you!

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:46 PM
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1. Thanks Octafish! I personally didn't need Plame's and Brewster-Jennings
outting to know that they are traitors. Since taking office, most every action has been to harm the people of our country.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:58 PM
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3. Understand what you mean, OmmmSweetOmmm.
As a good DUer said in January, 2001: "You don't steal elections to do good things."

They were absolutely correct.

For me, the treason goes back to Dallas on November 22, 1963, when George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI he thought maybe a fellah in Houston may've been involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.

If Poppy had a clue, why didn't he notify the Feds BEFORE the motorcade?



I'm sure this is old hat for you, OmmmSweetOmmm. The reason for my redundancy is to help our visitors and guests learn some things that our history books and channels seem to leave out. Thanks for giving a damn, my Friend!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:11 AM
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9. I thank you, as well for that much needed reminder.
Not all of us know these things and certainly needs to be repeated time and time "and" time again now.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:04 AM
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23. AND Daddy Bush is the only person in this country
who was alive during the Kennedy assassination who DOESN'T REMEMBER WHERE HE WAS THAT DAY! (He was in Dallas) He was in the same city as Kennedy on the day of the assassination and he doesn't remember where he was that day? I was 8 years old and know EXACTLY where I was. If an 8 year old can remember that horrendous day, why can't Daddy Bush?
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:17 PM
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32. Even I remember where he was at...
Grassy knoll, reloading for the three tramps...
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 02:49 PM
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115. Actually
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 02:49 PM by libhill
he was sitting around with his C.I.A. chums, planning how to intimidate / knock off witnesses.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:54 PM
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41. Exactly
I remember earlier this year my Mom, Dad and I were watching the "JFK" movie and I asked my mom if she remembered and she did. She was sitting at the dinner table eating turkey and watching the parade. She was a wee little girl too and Poppy "not remembering" is such crap. And Nixon made reference to something called Operation Zapata and Poppy had an oil company in south Texas called that. There is also a documentary that links the Bush family to the killing of Kennedy. I, personally, call that day "the day we all died".
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:43 PM
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107. I was 10
And I remember that day like it was yesterday - 42 years ago.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:17 AM
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91. Speak Octafish! Speak! Poppy is the ring leader


Yes he is --- while he sits on his boat cruising with Big Dog. I'm sure he taped every word out of Big Dog's mouth.

When we all stop putting the focus on ROVE and get to the real bottom of the pool, we'll see Poppy, calling the shots.

For all the new DU'ers, just take a look at the Search stuff for Poppy and any damn thing and you will see scum of the earth deeds.

The Chimp is too STUPID to think about ANYTHING but Jeff and Condi and baseball and pretzels and boo boos on his face/legs/hands and other body parts.

POPPY controls the show.

Cheney is so busy finding his heart, he can't DO anything! Don't forget that LYNN was controlling his office on 9 11. HE was probably resting.

He did have time to meet with POPPY at the WH, private meeting, on 9 -10! What the hell was that conversation about -- ?????
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:56 PM
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98. Poppy makes Saddam look like "The Nanny."
George Herbert Walker Bush has turned up in most every nefarious thing since -- and including -- the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. His father, Prescott Bush, helped arm Hitler. Poppy's grandfather, Samuel Bush, made money off of World War I, establishing a crime family tradition of profiteering off of war. Should sound familiar these days to even the most avid coincidence theorist.





Clouds Over George Bush

by Robert Parry
iF magazine, January / February 1999

EXCERPT...

These mysteries include:

* Bush's connection to the Letelier assassination and to other Latin American human rights catastrophes, such as the launching of the Argentine Dirty War in 1976, also on Bush's CIA watch.

* Bush's precise role in the now-corroborated accounts of Republican secret contacts with Iranian radicals holding 52 U.S. hostages in 1980, while President Carter was trying to negotiate their release.

* Bush's knowledge about his Cuban-American allies and their participation in cocaine trafficking under the umbrella of President Reagan's Nicaraguan contra war in the 1980s.

* Bush's participation in supplying secret military assistance to the armies of Iraqi dictator Saddam Husseln in the 1980s, including supplies and technology through Pinochet's Chile.

* Bush's close financial relationship with Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a major conservative political funder but also a controversial religious-business figure who favors the subjugation of the American people and who has close ties to figures from Asian and South American organized crime.

SNIP...

Among the records I pulled from the congressional files were confidential notes taken by Reagan's national security aide, Richard Allen.

According to Allen's notes, Bush called Allen at 2:12 p.m., Oct. 27, 1980, with a worried message from former Texas Gov. John Connally. A one-time-Democrat-turned-Republican, Connally was hearing some disturbing news from his Middle Eastern contacts: the possibility that Carter might yet pull off a pre-election hostage deal.

Bush ordered Allen to check out Connally's tip. When Allen knew more, he was to relay the information to "Shackley via Jennifer." The Jennifer was Bush's long-time assistant Jennifer Fitzgerald. "Shackley" was Theodore Shackley, the legendary CIA covert ops specialist known as the blond ghost.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/History/CloudsOverGeo...



It is amazing so few Americans, let alone DUers, know this stuff.

It's why I borrowed Bartcop's name for the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise -- "the Bush Family Evil Empire," BFEE for short.

Here's some of what our Wobbly pals have on the turds:



From corporate crimes to murder in Iraq
Crimes of the Bush dynasty


February 6, 2004 | Pages 6 and 7

THE GREAT myth about the United States is that we live in a "meritocracy," where the "best and brightest" will rise to the top, and anyone can make it with intelligence and hard work. The slightest examination of the Bush family tree proves that all this is a lie. As DAVID ZIRIN explains, the Bush saga--from George W. Bush in the White House today to the great grandfathers on both sides of the family--is the story of four generations amassing their fortunes and achieving the heights of power through the cronyest of crony capitalisms.


THERE ARE no think-tank theorists or college professors, no surgeons or artists among the Bush men. From root to branch, the Bush familys rise to power and wealth has gone hand in hand with the fortunes of the oil industry and the military-industrial complex.

"(I)f Presidential family connections were theme parks, Bush world would be a sight to behold," writes Kevin Phillips, author of new book American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush. "Mideast banks tied to the CIA would crowd alongside Florida Savings and Loans that once laundered money for the Nicaraguan contras. Dozens of oil wells would run eternally without finding oil, thanks to periodic cash deposits by old men wearing Reagan-Bush buttons and smoking 20-dollar cigars."

To paraphrase Karl Marx, the Bushes truly came to us dripping from head to foot with blood and dirt. The Bushes claim an ancestry that goes back to British royalty. But the rotten modern house of Bush began with George W. Bushs maternal great-grandfather, George H. Walker.

Walker was president of Wall Street-based W.A. Harriman & Co. He made his fortune as a war profiteer, working alongside the House of Morgan in purchasing billions in armaments for Britain and France during the First World War. In a foreshadowing of things to come, Walker got a taste for the emerging importance of oil as the engine of profits and war when he oversaw the rebuilding of the Baku oil fields after the war in the 1920s.

At his peak, Walker was the director of 17 corporations and maintained homes around the country--including a 10,000-acre hunting preserve in South Carolina, where according to his granddaughter, "We were waited on by the most wonderful Black servants."

Dubyas other great grandfather, Yale graduate Samuel Bush, was the president of the Ohio-based Buckeye Steel. Like Walker, Samuel Bush made his fortune during the First World War by producing material for small arms. Of course, it helped that Samuel became head of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the federal governments War Industries Board in 1918

CONTINUED...

http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-1/485/485_06_BushDy...



Kevin Phillips, the GOP strategist, feels that the Bush family represents an un-American dynasty of the worst kind. I couldn't agree more, with the emphasssiss on "Nasty."



American Dynasty

EXCERPT...


Introduction

Concern about the first U.S. dynastic presidency first emerged in 2000, prompted by skeptics of the Bush succession, as well as by amateur historians unnerved by analogies to the seventeenth-century English Stuart and eighteenth-century French Bourbon restorations. The topic gained credibility when the 2002 elections confirmed George W. Bushs popularity and the war of early Spring 2003 displayed his personal commitment to renewing his fathers unfinished combat with Iraqs Saddam Hussein. Controversial wars and geopolitical ambitions, after all, have frequently originated as dynastic ambitions.

Other institutional aspects warrant national concern. Dynasties tend to show continuities of policy and interest-group biasin the case of the Bushes, favoritism toward the energy sector, defense industries, the Pentagon and CIA, as well as insistence on tax breaks for the investor class and upper income groups. Families restored to power also have a history of revenge against old foesGeorge W. Bushs record has included retiring such taunters of his father as Texas Governor Ann Richards (in 1994) and House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Bush helped to force him out after the 1998 elections) and apppointing former officials dating back not just to his fathers term but to the Ford administration of 1974-76, a virtual incubator of the Republican Partys Bush faction.

This dynasticism was hardly a phenomenon unique to the United States. In the first few years of the twenty-first century, the restoration of old European royal houses was discussed in Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania and Italy. As in the United States, the principals were political

Another questionable aspect of dynastic control is the effect of biological inheritance. History is all too familiar with the Hapsburg nose, and the Tudor temper. Some pundits have queried whether heredity might explain certain behavior shared by the two Bush presidents frenetic activity, scrambled speech, the hint of dyslexic arrangements of thought. Although the press has been reticent to pursue such matters, they do have a genuine relevance. Three, perhaps four, generations of Bushes have displayed great capacities for remembering names, faces and statistics. Dallas News reporter Bill Minutaglio, a biographer of the younger Bush, discovered that George H.W. Bush, went so far as to tell his spokesman Marlin Fitzwater to gather together the photographs of the Washington press corps so he could memorize all their names; the Bush men were always startlingly better than anyone else at memorizing names. At the same time, both father and son hve shown little talent for conceptualization or abstraction. Is it a coincidence? Dynasty, with its subordination of individual achievement to gene pools and bloodlines, involves a gamble on the nuances of that heredity.

In the United States, as we will see, the twentieth-century rise of the Bush family was built on the five pillars of American global sway: the international reach of U.S. investment banking, the emerging giantism of the military-industrial complex, the ballooning of the CIA and kindred intelligence operations, the drive for U.S. control of global oil supplies and a close alliance with Britain and the English-speaking community. This century of upward momentum brought a sequence of controversies, albeit ones that never gained critical masssuch as the exposure in 1942 of Prescott Bushs corporate directorship links to wartime Germany, which harked back to over-ambitious 1920s investment banking, the Bush familys longtime involvement with global armaments and the military-industrial complex (that latter was big enough by 1961 that President Eisenhower warned against it) and a web of close connections to the CIA, ones that began decades before George Bushs brief CIA directorship in 1976. Threads like these weigh may not weigh heavily on individual presidencies; they are many times more troubling in a dynasty.

http://www.americandynasty.net/excerpts.htm



Of course, we would know a heck of a lot less today were it not for Tarpley and Chaitkin:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

Thanks for giving a damn, goclark!

PS: I sincerely hope the General runs in 2006 for national office and in 2008 for something Federal again. He's sounding like one of the very few on the ball these days and he'd really help the nation move forward.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:29 PM
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100. I love to read your detailed posts! Sock It to those Bushes!



I am always amazed when I read ,even at DU, that people think that Poppy's hands are clean.

The real leg irons belong to Poppy! The others can frog march behind him.

Octafish :yourock:
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:47 PM
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108. Getting set up
for 9/11 no doubt. You know, covering their ass, silencing the media, making arrangements to get the Bin Laden family out of the country.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:09 AM
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7. On 9/11, I was afraid
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 12:10 AM by sfexpat2000
of the Cabal.

So 'way beyond afraid now. We can't live our fears, my friend. Let's keep talking truth and acting as if. Sometimes, you have to throw the spaghetti at the 'frig more than once or twice.

:loveya:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:48 PM
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33. We were screwed in 2000. My friends couldn't understand why I was
saying that. We are screwed if we let these people take the White House. The damage will be horrendous. And even my remotely reasonable friends thought I was being alarmist. "At least he's not Clinton! Bush seems like a good guy." Now look at all the damage we have to deal with for years and years. And it's not over yet.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 11:46 PM
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2. Thanks, Octafish. Truth is stranger, thanks for profiling this! nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:05 AM
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5. You're welcome, babylonsister! Plame Affair is much worse than we know...
...It's only the tip of a very deep and dangerous iceberg. Brewster, Jennings & Associates worked to stop the spread of WMDs. Why bust that operation open? My theory: To hasten Chimpageddon.

As OmmmSweetOmmm noted above: Cheney, Bush & Associates work round the clock to bring on Doomsday. They'll be among the "saved" all right, deep down in an nuke-proof underground facility and out in the Swiss Alps and out in the aquifer-rich jungle of Bolivia, where Rev. Moon built his redoubt.

Here's what Whitley "Abductee" Strieber wrote about the outting of Varlerie Plame last year:



A National Catastrophe

By Whitley Strieber
Sunday June 27th, 2004

The outing of Valerie Plame in the column of Robert Novak has now led to the resignation of Jim Pavitt from the CIA. Mr. Pavitt was Valerie Plames superior. His work has been devastated by this catastrophic security leak, and he has apparently chosen to resign as a result. The announcement of his retirement is the tip of an iceberg of national disaster.

Dont believe for a moment the rantings of lying radio hosts about this case. Valerie Plame was no small fish. The revelation of her name is, in fact, the most serious intelligence disaster in the history of this country. Only a tiny number of high officials, such as the president, the secretaries of state and defense, and a few high White House officials even have access to the names of the CIAs NOC non-official cover officers. These are seemingly private individuals who are actually key CIA personnel, whose clandestine activities are run via carefully designed covers, companies that are legitimate from top to bottom and are not in any way thought to be CIA-associated, and have survived years of scrutiny from foreign intelligence operations, and are believed by even the best of them to be entirely non-CIA connected.

The names on the NOC list are among the greatest secrets possessed by our country, and the leaking of this particular name at this particular time could well be the single most traitorous act in our history, because it has blinded us to the actions of Iran as they are in the process of acquiring nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.

In the case of Valerie Plame, she was connected with a company called Brewster-Jennings and Associates. They were primarily active in the US and Saudi Arabia, but also engaged in activities in China, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia and Syria.

Two decades of intelligence work in these countries has been compromised or destroyed by this monstrous act. Worse, we can no longer trust any intelligence being gathered via this critical resource.

Let me be very specific about the extent of this problem. Here are just two of the areas of possible compromise:

Spread across the southern areas of the former Soviet Union are numerous nuclear devices, fissionable material and delivery systems in various degrees of decay, nominally guarded by Russia and the countries in which the materials are now found. In addition, I assume that the United States has extensive operations in these areas, there to make sure that nothing more goes missing, and that what has already gone missing is tracked and located.

That work may now be effectively destroyed.

CONTINUED...

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=162



Appears to me that the "mushroom cloud over an American city" may be the work of a nutty fundamenta-minimalist after all.


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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:13 AM
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10. mushrooms yes..mushroom clouds no..
condi still wishing on stars and doing that self-fulfilling prophecy thing

did she lie to all her college profs?? and still passed??

still lying after all these yrs.

Chevron named a tanker after her..whadda an honor!!
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:51 PM
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109. Wall, ya know
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 05:14 PM by libhill
she's done so much for Big Oil-
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:25 PM
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57. I'm with Streiber on this - they leaked to destroy Plame's entire project
and thought they'd get some use out of discrediting her husband, too.

Salute to you, dear Octafish - dear patriot
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:04 AM
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4. Precisely.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:17 AM
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11. Thanks, understandinglife! Great work, yours is.
Thanks also for giving a damn.

Here's Mother Jones great article on Richard Barlow and leaders who don't give a fig for good intelligence, let alone peace:



Political Intelligence

News:What happens when U.S. spies get the goods-- and the government won't listen?


By Ken Silverstein & David Isenberg
January/February 2002 Issue

In 1989, an intelligence analyst working for then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney issued a startling report. After reviewing classified information from field agents, he had determined that Pakistan, despite official denials, had built a nuclear bomb. "I was not out there alone," the analyst, Richard Barlow, recalls. "This was the same conclusion that had been reached by many people in the intelligence community."

But Barlow's conclusion was politically inconvenient. A finding that Pakistan possessed a nuclear bomb would have triggered a congressionally mandated cutoff of aid to the country, a key ally in the CIA's efforts to support Afghan rebels fighting a pro-Soviet government. It also would have killed a $1.4-billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Islamabad.

Barlow's report was dismissed as alarmist. A few months later, a Pentagon official downplayed Pakistan's nuclear capabilities in testimony to Congress. When Barlow protested to his superiors, he was fired.

Three years later, in 1992, a high-ranking Pakistani official admitted that the country had developed the ability to assemble a nuclear weapon by 1987. In 1998, Islamabad detonated its first bomb. "This was not a failure of intelligence," says Barlow. "The intelligence was in the system."

Barlow's case points to an issue that has largely been overlooked in the post-September 11 debate about how to "fix" the nation's spy networks: Sometimes, the problem with intelligence is not a lack of information, but a failure to use it.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2002/01/politic...



Cheney, Bush and the whole lot of them have sold out the United States for a few lousy bucks. Such scum, they are.



"Unka Dick, whutza 'bendickarnal?'"
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:41 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. Sometimes The Problem With Intelligence
is that those those in charge are too & determinedly stupid to recognize it.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 04:37 PM
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29. He meant Benedict Arnold, Dick. Not Benedict anal.
You've been hanging around the mobsters too long, picking up their hand signals.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. Here's a legend in his own mind.




Bush Family Value$

News:The Bush clan's family business


By Stephen Pizzo
September 1, 1992

In 1991, President Bush bristled at a flurry of news accounts that questioned the business ethics of three of his sons. "The media ought to be ashamed of itself for what they're doing," Bush complained. "They have a right to make a living, and their relationships are appropriate," added a White House spokeswoman in June 1992.

Since George Bush has raised "family values" as a campaign issue repeatedly, though, it seems only fair to take a look at his own family. A computer search showed that over the past five years stories have periodically surfaced chronicling the individual business antics of the president's sons -- each riding comfortably through life in the slipstream of his father's growing power and influence.

Although a handful of good reporters for the New York Times, LA Times, Village Voice, and Wall Street Journal have diligently been digging through business records for months, something has been missing: an overview that "connects the dots" in the myriad deals that have been examined, making it clear that cashing in on influence has become a pattern of behavior extending through the first family.

Instead of criticizing reporters, the president might more wisely begin listening to those in government who have watched his sons with mounting worry. A year ago, I sat across a desk from a Secret Service agent who had been assigned to Bush-family security. I rattled off the names of a half-dozen questionable characters who had found their way into business deals with the Bush boys. How had these characters been allowed to get even close to the president's sons?

The agent slumped back in his chair and sighed. "We warn them," he said in a whisper. "But that's all we can do. We can't stop these kids from associating with someone they want to be with. All we can do after warning them is to sweep these guys with metal detectors when they come around."

What follows is a sourcebook of concerns about the president's three sons.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboy...



Probably old news for you, Burried News. It's a must-read for guests and visitors and new DUers, even if the story's 13 years old.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:08 AM
Response to Original message
6. James Parrot and Pollie W. Cracker killed JFK
Case is solved..gee that opium poppy bush is smart...


gimme a T for traitor..gimme a T for tennessee


folks reading this may pause and think..very interesting but unprovable..I got all the proof that my mind needs...

poppy was in TX on 11/22/63 and DC on 9/10/01
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:26 AM
Response to Reply #6
18. I Know Someone Who Was At The Meeting On 9/11/01 In DC
With Poppy and he flew out of the country with the Bin Ladens on that private plane when every airport in the USA was in lock down mode. He told me "Bush did this."

He was there with the fucker and he said Poppy didn't bat an eye at the news of the WTC. Cool as ice. Evil Evil Evil. He is an Omani BTW not Saudi. The meeting Poppy was at with him was.........Carlyle Group. No shit.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. oh yeh
calriars are the big player in the secret govt and of course the financila/enforcer of the renegade CIA outfit which opium poppy has masterminded for yrs..BTW poppy o deliberately ditched the plane in WW II and that is from USN personnel who were on sister carrier.. after he was rescued
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:51 AM
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101. I never was sold on Poppy's WWll shaggy dog story. (eom)
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:13 AM
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27. "You will know them by their words.."
http://www.hermes-press.com/cabal_index.htm

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002


"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with
Sarah McClendon in December 1992

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #18
45. If y'all haven't
check out http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch the documentary "The Carlyle Group". It shows Bush and a BinLaden together in a hotel room watching this. It's a movie that will piss you off.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:57 PM
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111. Makes me wonder about Clinton
hobnobbing with this fucking amoeba - wtf?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:51 PM
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34. Didn't know about Pollie. Do know J Edgar was in on it.
Hoover received warnings about several threats against President Kennedy, but never warned the Secret Service, let alone his boss Robert F. Kennedy, about the threats. Just as much as the current turds and slugs of the BFEE, J Egar Hoover also is a TRAITOR.

Here's a bit of how those upon whom the FBI's bossman smiled have done with their treasonous stewardship of the nation, a short interview about Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the man responsible for the Pakistani H-bomb and its spread to North Korea, Iran and who besides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld know where else:



The most dangerous man in the world?

Some experts argue that it's not Osama bin Laden


By Chris Hansen and Richard Greenberg
Dateline NBC
Updated: 12:57 p.m. ET Jan. 19, 2005

He's been called by some, the most dangerous man in the world. And he's not Osama Bin Laden. You may not even know his name but, according to those who do know him, he helped spread nuclear bomb-making technology to some of America's most determined enemies. The question is, just how much damage has he done?

In the summer of 1999, a group of illegal weapons dealers were meeting at a warehouse in Florida, their conversations recorded by federal investigators. One of the men, from Pakistan, was seeking technology for nuclear weapons. Who did he say he was working for?

Dick Stoltz: Dr. Abdul Khan.

Chris Hansen: A.Q. Khan.

Dick Stoltz: A.Q. Khan.

Former federal undercover agent Dick Stoltz was posing as a black market arms dealer.

Hansen: Did you realize what you had at the time?

Stoltz: No. We didn't.

But now he does -- because A.Q. Khan is considered, by some, to be the most dangerous man in the world. Why? Because Dr. Khan has peddled nuclear weapons technology to some of the countries the United States considers most dangerous, and some accepted his offers.

Hansen: We're talking about Iran?

David Albright: Iran accepted.

Hansen: North Korea?

Albright: Accepted.

Hansen: Libya?

Albright: Accepted.

David Albright, a physicist and former U.N. nuclear weapons inspector in Iraq, has been tracking A.Q. Khan for 20 years.

CONTINUED...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6827441 /



This Khan feller is a friend of Poppy Bush.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:55 PM
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43. Tarpley; "bush sr ditched the plane"



http://www.tarpley.net/bush6.htm

"The only person who has ever claimed to have seen Bush's plane get hit, and to have seen it hit the water, is Chester Mierzejewksi, who was the rear turret gunner in the aircraft flown by Squadron Commander Douglas Melvin. During 1987-88, Mierzejewksi became increasingly indignant as he watched Bush repeat his canonical account of how he was shot down. Shortly before the Republican National Convention in 1988, Mierzekewski, by then a 68 year old retired aircraft foreman living in Cheshire, Connecticut, decided to tell his story to Allan Wolper and Al Ellenberg of the New York Post, which printed it as a copyrighted article.

"That guy is not telling the truth," Mierzejewski said of Bush.

As the rear-looking turret gunner on Commander Melvin's plane, Mierzejewski had the most advantageous position for observing the events in question here. Since Melvin's plane flew directly ahead of Bush's, he had a direct and unobstructed view of what was happening aft of his own plane. When the New York Post reporters asked former Lt. Legare Hole, the executive officer of Bush's squadron, about who might have best observed the last minutes of the Barbara II, Hole replied: "The turret gunner in Melvin's plane would have had a good view. If the plane was on fire, there is a very good chance he would be able to see that. The pilot can't see everything that the gunner can, and he'd miss an awful lot, " Hole told the New York Post.

Mierzejewski has long been troubled by the notion that Bush's decision to parachute from his damaged aircraft might have cost the lives of Radioman second class John Delaney, a close friend of Mierzejewksy, as well as gunner Lt. Junior Grade William White. 'I think could have saved those lives, if they were alive. I don't know that they were, but at least they had a chance if he had attempted a water landing,'" Mierzejewski told the New York Post. "

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. Contrast that with how a KENNEDY acts under fire...
Here's how a hero behaves when the lives of his men are in peril:

(Dear Mods: Official USN file, not subject to copyright restrictions -- Thanks!)



DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER
805 KIDDER BREESE SE -- WASHINGTON NAVY YARD
WASHINGTON DC 20374-5060
Lieutenant John F. Kennedy, USN
Related Information:

Transcript of Naval Service
Citation for Navy and Marine Corps Medal
Report on Loss of PT-109, copy of original document
Information on PT-109 and Patrol Torpedo Boats
History of PT-109
Photographs of PT-109
Bibliography


"Any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction, 'I served in the United States Navy,'" wrote President John F. Kennedy in August 1963. A former naval officer, Kennedy was born in Brookline, Massachusetts on 29 May 1917 to Rose and Joseph P. Kennedy. After attending public schools in Brookline, Kennedy went on to The Choate School in Wallingford, Connecticut, and attended the London School of Economics from 1935 to 1936. Kennedy graduated cum laude from Harvard University in 1940 and began graduate school at Stanford University.

Despite having a bad back, Kennedy was able to join the U.S. Navy through the help of Captain Alan Kirk, the Director, Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) who had been the Naval Attache in London when Joseph Kennedy was the Ambassador. In October 1941, Kennedy was appointed an Ensign in the U.S. Naval Reserve and joined the staff of the Office of Naval Intelligence. The office, for which Kennedy worked, prepared intelligence bulletins and briefing information for the Secretary of the Navy and other top officials. On 15 January 1942, he was assigned to an ONI field office the Sixth Naval District in Charleston, South Carolina. After spending most of April and May at Naval Hospitals at Charleston and at Chelsea, Massachusetts, Kennedy attended Naval Reserve Officers Training School at Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, from 27 July through 27 September. After completing this training, Kennedy entered the Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron Training Center, Melville, Rhode Island. On 10 October, he was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant, Junior Grade. Upon completing his training 2 December, he was ordered to the training squadron, Motor Torpedo Squadron FOUR, for duty as the Commanding Officer of a motor torpedo boat, PT 101, a 78- foot Higgins boat. In January 1943, PT 101 with four other boats was ordered to Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron FOURTEEN, which was assigned to Panama.

Seeking combat duty, Kennedy transferred on 23 February as a replacement officer to Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron TWO, which was based at Tulagi Island in the Solomons. Traveling to the Pacific on USS Rochambeau, Kennedy arrived at Tulagi on 14 April and took command of PT 109 on 23 April 1943. On 30 May, several PT boats, including PT 109 were ordered to the Russell Islands, in preparation for the invasion of New Georgia. After the invasion of Rendova, PT 109 moved to Lumbari. From that base PT boats conducted nightly operations to interdict the heavy Japanese barge traffic resupplying the Japanese garrisons in New Georgia and to patrol the Ferguson and Blackett Straits near the islands of Kolumbangara, Gizo, and Vella-Lavella in order to sight and to give warning when the Japanese Tokyo Express warships came into the straits to assault U.S. forces in the New Georgia-Rendova area.

PT 109 commanded by Kennedy with executive officer, Ensign Leonard Jay Thom, and ten enlisted men was one of the fifteen boats sent out on patrol on the night of 1-2 August 1943 to intercept Japanese warships in the straits. A friend of Kennedy, Ensign George H. R. Ross, whose ship was damaged, joined Kennedy's crew that night. The PT boat was creeping along to keep the wake and noise to a minimum in order to avoid detection. Around 0200 with Kennedy at the helm, the Japanese destroyer Amagiri traveling at 40 knots cut PT 109 in two in ten seconds. Although the Japanese destroyer had not realized that their ship had struck an enemy vessel, the damage to PT 109 was severe. At the impact, Kennedy was thrown into the cockpit where he landed on his bad back. As Amagiri steamed away, its wake doused the flames on the floating section of PT 109 to which five Americans clung: Kennedy, Thom, and three enlisted men, S1/c Raymond Albert, RM2/c John E. Maguire and QM3/c Edman Edgar Mauer. Kennedy yelled out for others in the water and heard the replies of Ross and five members of the crew, two of which were injured. GM3/c Charles A. Harris had a hurt leg and MoMM1/c Patrick Henry McMahon, the engineer was badly burned. Kennedy swam to these men as Ross and Thom helped the others, MoMM2/c William Johnston, TM2/c Ray L. Starkey, and MoMM1/c Gerald E. Zinser to the remnant of PT 109. Although they were only one hundred yards from the floating piece, in the dark it took Kennedy three hours to tow McMahon and help Harris back to the PT hulk. Unfortunately, TM2/c Andrew Jackson Kirksey and MoMM2/c Harold W. Marney were killed in the collision with Amagiri.

Because the remnant was listing badly and starting to swamp, Kennedy decided to swim for a small island barely visible (actually three miles) to the southeast. Five hours later, all eleven survivors had made it to the island after having spent a total of fifteen hours in the water. Kennedy had given McMahon a life-jacket and had towed him all three miles with the strap of the device in his teeth. After finding no food or water on the island, Kennedy concluded that he should swim the route the PT boats took through Ferguson Passage in hopes of sighting another ship. After Kennedy had no luck, Ross also made an attempt, but saw no one and returned to the island. Ross and Kennedy had spotted another slightly larger island with coconuts to eat and all the men swam there with Kennedy again towing McMahon. Now at their fourth day, Kennedy and Ross made it to Nauru Island and found several natives. Kennedy cut a message on a coconut that read "11 alive native knows posit & reef Nauru Island Kennedy." He purportedly handed the coconut to one of the natives and said, "Rendova, Rendova!," indicating that the coconut should be taken to the PT base on Rendova.

Kennedy and Ross again attempted to look for boats that night with no luck. The next morning the natives returned with food and supplies, as well as a letter from the coastwatcher commander of the New Zealand camp, Lieutenant Arthur Reginald Evans. The message indicated that the natives should return with the American commander, and Kennedy complied immediately. He was greeted warmly and then taken to meet PT 157 which returned to the island and finally rescued the survivors on 8 August.

Kennedy was later awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for his heroics in the rescue of the crew of PT 109, as well as the Purple Heart Medal for injuries sustained in the accident on the night of 1 August 1943. An official account of the entire incident was written by intelligence officers in August 1943 and subsequently declassified in 1959. As President, Kennedy met once again with his rescuers and was toasted by members of the Japanese destroyer crew.

In September, Kennedy went to Tulagi and accepted the command of PT 59 which was scheduled to be converted to a gunboat. In October 1943, Kennedy was promoted to Lieutenant and continued to command the motor torpedo boat when the squadron moved to Vella Lavella until a doctor directed him to leave PT 59 on 18 November. Kennedy left the Solomons on 21 December and returned to the U.S. in early January 1944.

On 15 February, Kennedy reported to the Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron Training Center, Melville, Rhode Island. Due to the reinjury of his back during the sinking of PT 109, Kennedy entered a hospital for treatment. In March, Kennedy went to the Submarine Chaser Training Center, Miami, Florida. In May while still assigned to the Center, Kennedy entered the Naval Hospital, Chelsea, Massachusetts, for further treatment of his back injury. At the Hospital in June, he received his Navy and Marine Corps Medals. Under treatment as an outpatient, Kennedy was ordered detached from the Miami Center on 30 October 1944. Subsequently, Kennedy was released from all active duty and finally retired from the U.S. Naval Reserve on physical disability in March 1945.

SOURCE:

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-2.htm





Lt. Kennedy pulled a critically wounded man to safety, later personally pulling him by swimming to an island. Then, he swam out into shark-infested waters at night to try and get help. Wow. Wish America had HIM for a President these days. He'd know what to do.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:15 PM
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54. TEARS!!
"graduated cum laude from Harvard University in 1940"
unlike the 2 yalies bush and cheny who cheated and forged their way through college and life and now are making are creating conflcits for our lives and the whole world.

Bush professors gifted him through yale and cheny quit yale...
GUESS THE PRESSURE OF DOING HOMEWORK GOT TO LORD OF EVIL SAURON.

I tell my 7 yr old who beats me in video games..CHEATERS NEVER WIN..WINNERS NEVER HAVE TO CHEAT!!

I shook JFKs hand in 1958 and the whole clan.

I will NEVER rest til their ghosts rest!!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. Of course
And BinLaden probably didn't do 9/11 either... But the same people. I saw in the CNN archives (I think it's still there) an interview a reporter did with BinLaden and the interviewer asked him about 9/11 and BinLaden claimed not to do it. Remember that he is an extremist Muslim and they don't believe in killing women and children. Also those video's of "BinLaden" show him wearing jewlery (the one November 1st, 2004) and that is a big no-no to Muslims.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #46
112. What is it
with these three named "assassins / terrorists" anyway? Osama Bin Laden, Lee Harvey Oswald, even John Wilkes Booth - fucking strange.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
110. 11/22/63
Was the source from which all else flowed - call me a tinfoil hatter, I don't give a damn. Connect the dots, and see where they lead -
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:11 AM
Response to Original message
8. as always....real journalists: Parry, Leopold, etal
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 12:12 AM by Gabi Hayes
seen this yet?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Fitzgerald better realize that the BFEE are no amateurs, like Nixon, etal

this sounds serious

thx to pirate smile

By Walter Pincus and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, July 27, 2005; Page A01

The special prosecutor in the CIA leak probe has interviewed a wider range of administration officials than was previously known, part of an effort to determine whether anyone broke laws during a White House effort two years ago to discredit allegations that President Bush used faulty intelligence to justify the Iraq war, according to several officials familiar with the case.

Prosecutors have questioned former CIA director George J. Tenet and deputy director John E. McLaughlin, former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow, State Department officials, and even a stranger who approached columnist Robert D. Novak on the street.

In doing so, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has asked not only about how CIA operative Valerie Plame's name was leaked but also how the administration went about shifting responsibility from the White House to the CIA for having included 16 words in the 2003 State of the Union address about Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium from Africa.


-snip-
Behind the scenes, the White House responded with twin attacks: one on Wilson and the other on the CIA, which it wanted to take the blame for allowing the 16 words to remain in Bush's speech. As part of this effort, then-deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley spoke with Tenet during the week about clearing up CIA responsibility for the 16 words, even though both knew the agency did not think Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger, according to a person familiar with the conversation. Tenet was interviewed by prosecutors, but it is not clear whether he appeared before the grand jury, a former CIA official said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
36. You got it, Gabi_Hayes! Didya see Richard ARMITAGE's name surface?
Casts a wide net, indeed! Here's a bit from your excellent article, which shows how certain, um, players end up being at the right place at the right time. Isn't Ford the same guy who talked about that nice Mr. Bolton?

People familiar with this part of the probe provided new details about the memo, including that it was then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage who requested it the day Wilson went public and asked that a copy be sent to then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell to take with him on a trip to Africa the next day. Bush and several top aides were on that trip. Carl W. Ford Jr., who was director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the time and who supervised the original production of the memo, has appeared before the grand jury, a former State Department official said.

SOURCE:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

For those new to the subject, the turd Bolton suffers from a superiority complex -- sort of like the NAZIs.



Former Colleague Says Bolton Abused Power at State Dept.
Senators Hear Dissent on U.N. Pick


By Dafna Linzer and Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, April 13, 2005; Page A04

The State Department's former intelligence chief yesterday described John R. Bolton, President Bush's nominee for ambassador to the United Nations, as a "bully" who abused his authority and power, intimidated intelligence analysts, and damaged the integrity of the agency.

Bolton's behavior "brings real question to my mind about his suitability for high office," said Carl W. Ford Jr. He told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which is considering Bolton's nomination, that he is a loyal Republican, a staunch supporter of Bush and a "huge fan" of Vice President Cheney. "I'm as conservative as John Bolton is," Ford said. "But the fact is that the collateral damage and the personal hurt that he causes is not worth the price that had to be paid."

Democrats on the committee hoped that Ford's testimony would help persuade Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-R.I.) to vote against the nomination. Chafee is seen as the panel's only Republican who might vote against Bolton and block the nomination from getting to the full Senate, where the GOP holds a 55 to 45 edge.

But Chafee said after the hearing that he was still inclined to back Bolton.

"It was strong testimony from Mr. Ford. He used strong language," Chafee said. But "it's all focused on this one incident. We're not really seeing a pattern."

Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) disagreed. "This is not an isolated incident," he told the committee of 10 Republicans and eight Democrats. "We have testimony from a total of four other people" relating to several incidents.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46436-20...



Thanks for a wonderful article, Gabi_Hayes! Much appreciated. I've had a mean day at the rabbit, about 14 hours worth. Sorry it took so long to respond. I can see that in the meantime, you and many DUers have grabbed the BFEE by the nose and kicked them int he pants just fine without me. Way to go!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:42 AM
Response to Original message
12. Great synthesys work
It's all falling into place now.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
37. Thanks, paineinthearse! To beat the BFEE requires our most powerful WMD.
The TRUTH.

Here's a bit more on the subject of why Cheney and Co benefit from spread of WMDs:



George Bush, Terrorist in the White House CIA, NSA and Spies



Gen. Gehlen (middle) was imported along with his Gestapo by the Dulles Brothers after WWII to help setup and train the CIA (Operation PAPERCLIP)

Documents reveal CIA recruited five of Eichmann's associates PDF By: Yossi Melman, on: 06.02.2005

A CIA Officer's Calamitous Choices By Jerry Meldon May 15, 2003

Opening of CIA Records under Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities PDF by Steve Kangas

"There has been since almost the earliest days of the Israeli state and the earliest days of the CIA a secret bond, basically by which Israeli intelligence did jobs for the CIA and for the rest of American intelligence. You can't understand what's been going on with American covert operations and the Israeli covert operations until you understand this secret arrangement."

--Andrew Cockburn

CONTINUED w LINKS to TRUTH... (and I don't agree with Cockburn a third of the time).

http://www.nogw.com/cia.html



NAZIs, not Americans, wanted to conquer the world.



"Then again, fewer people
means there's more oil
for the rest of us, huh?"
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
47. Oh wow
So now I know why there's a pro-Israel stance and why the neocons are all very pro-Israel.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. Here's what GOOD Republicans say...
Before he was CIA, James Marcinkowski was a county prosecutor, one Republican who has put away bad guys of all stripes. He's got Bush and Co. pegged as the rotten turds they are.



Bush-Rove loyalty a threat, CIA retirees say

By SCOTT SHEPARD
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/23/05

Washington A group of retired CIA officials on Friday accused President Bush of using a special investigation of White House leaks to avoid having to fire his longtime political adviser, Karl Rove.

The group said Bush by allowing Rove to remain as deputy White House chief of staff had undermined American security interests abroad. Rove was named as a source for news accounts disclosing the identity of a covert CIA agent married to an administration critic.

In an unofficial hearing conducted by Democratic members of Congress, the retired CIA agents and analysts also complained that Bush has done nothing to stop the Republican National Committee and GOP allies in Congress from continuing a "smear" campaign against the outed agent, Valerie Plame, and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

"Instead of a president concerned first and foremost with protecting this country and the intelligence officers who serve it, we are confronted with a president who is willing to sit by while political operatives savage the reputations of good Americans like Valerie and Joe Wilson," said Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism analyst at the CIA.

James Marcinkowski, a former CIA case officer, argued that disclosing Plame's identity had seriously compromised the ability of the CIA to recruit foreign agents abroad to spy on their own countries or terrorist organizations.

"While blind deference to legal niceties may be accepted within the context of American politics, in an overseas setting, it just doesn't work," Marcinkowski said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/0705/23nat...

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 12:44 AM
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13. Cannonfire blog has mounted an attack. FYI.
Senator Pat Roberts is the new enemy. Here's how to fight him.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com /

Cannonfire has a list of the Dems on the committee and makes suggestions as to how to go after this asshole.

Thanks Octafish. We can't afford to let up.

Peace. :patriot:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:29 PM
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38. Thanks, fooj! The Truth is our Instrument.
Most certainly appreciate the great link to Cannonfire.

Speaking of which, here's some greatness:

The Guarneri,



"Il Cannone"

Kept by Paganini.

And a bit of greatness from Robert Parry:



Rove's Backers Use 'CounterSpy Defense'

By Robert Parry
July 26, 2005

In defending White House political adviser Karl Rove, American conservatives have adopted an argument used by U.S. leftists three decades ago to rebut accusations that CounterSpy magazine's naming of CIA station chief Richard Welch in Greece contributed to his murder.

The argument used then to defend CounterSpy and now to protect Rove for outing CIA officer Valerie Plame was that the covers for the two CIA officers had previously been blown and that the CIA hadnt done enough to maintain the secrecy.

Over the past two weeks, following revelations that Rove discussed Plames CIA role with journalists in 2003, right-wing commentators have asserted that no crime was committed because Plames CIA identity was common knowledge to some of her friends and because her cover had already been breached.

For instance, an editorial in the right-wing Washington Times asserted that Plames identity was compromised twice before her name appeared in Robert Novaks column of July 14, 2003.

Mrs. Plames identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy, the Times said. In a second compromise, officials said a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana. Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them, the officials said. (Washington Times editorial, July 19, 2005.)

Denouncing Agee

In the mid-1970s, a similar debate raged over CounterSpy, a magazine associated with renegade CIA officer Phil Agee, for listing Welchs name before the CIA station chief was gunned down in Athens in 1975.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/072605.html

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:11 AM
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15. Betrayers of the U.S. Constitution. They've been exposed and there's
nowhere for them to hide in a free society.

Drip...drip...drip.


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:18 AM
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16. Maybe the indictments will come down mid Sept.
before Pat Roberts can sabotoge them.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. Sen. Pat Roberts is actively laying the groundwork to get Rove off.
But that isn't getting by without notice.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #15
25. You got it. The best part: they have to come out and fight.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 09:02 AM by Burried News
Roberts has to try to trash the whole CIA system that defines who is covert and who isn't.
Now that it is clear they can't defend from a 'leaks were an accident' standpoint their only option is that the system saying Valerie was covert is so flawed that it is 'surely understandable' how Rove missed that issue.

I'm happy because this defense forces them to publicize the whole effort as they seek to manipulate the public and THEY have to keep it on the front page.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:41 PM
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39. Let's pile on, now that we have the chance, oasis-san!
Here's how we can make an example of the Conservative Corporate McPravda:



Rove-Plame Scandal Leading to Deeper
White House Horrors?


By Bernard Weiner
Co-Editor, The Crisis Papers
July 19, 2005

EXCERPT...

What's being covered up in the Plame/Rove case seems to revolve around the Bush Administration's orchestrated, and perhaps illegal, propaganda campaign to justify its invasion of Iraq. Valerie Plame and her husband Ambassador Joseph Wilson -- who wrote the op-ed in the New York Times that got this whole thing going -- are just the tips of very large icebergs, and one of those icebergs has a name: the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), which we'll examine below.

SNIP...

PERSONAL REASONS MILLER NOT TESTIFYING?

Why Judith Miller is not testifying apparently goes to the heart of Fitzgerald's case. There are reasonable grounds for wondering whether Miller might have been aiding, inadvertently or consciously, Rove and the rest of the WHIG to help move the country toward war with Iraq. For example, she may have been told by Administration officials about Plame and her CIA job, and helped spread that word to other journalists, who then contacted Rove and I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff. Cooper over the weekend revealed that it was Libby who was the second of the "two senior administration officials" who leaked Plame's identity.

The New York Times already has apologized for running several of Miller's pre-Iraq War stories that were based on faulty weapons-of-mass-destruction intelligence; much of that concocted intel was provided by Ahmed Chalabi, the sleazy Iraqi exile leader who hitched his wagon to the Pentagon neo-cons to get his forces back into Iraq in the wake of a U.S. invasion. Those Miller stories helped provide the imprimatur of New York Times prestige that other media outlets then picked up on, helping create a nationwide zeitgeist of imminent threat from Iraq.

Indeed, Dick Cheney squared the circle by using Miller's stories as "evidence" that even the hallowed New York Times had determined that Iraq had, or soon would have, nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

"The day The Times story ran," wrote Amy and David Goodman in their invaluable book "The Exception to the Rulers...," Cheney "made the rounds on the Sunday talk shows to advance the administration's bogus claims. On NBC's Meet the Press, Cheney declared that Iraq had purchased aluminum tubes to make enriched uranium. It didn't matter that the IAEA refuted the charge both before and after it was made. But Cheney didn't want viewers just to take his word for it. 'There's a story in The New York Times this morning,' he said smugly. 'And I want to attribute The Times.' This was the classic disinformation two-step: the White House leaks a lie to The Times, the newspaper publishes it as a startling expose, and then the White House conveniently masquerades behind the credibility of The Times."

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays-w/horrors.htm

CONTINUED...



Gee. And I always thought The New Whore Times fired reporters who got caught making up stories.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:09 PM
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56. It seems Judith Miller and Cheney were acting in concert on the WMD
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 04:13 PM by oasis
story. That's been the modus operandi of the Bushsitas. They get the side of the story out on the Sunday talk shows with no debate.

Then along comes Joe Wilson with a monkey wrench.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 05:23 AM
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17. It's a massive coup-they took an oath and have betrayed America n/t
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:49 AM
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19. Indeed.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #17
26. The Elephant is a Traitor. No matter how many flags they have on the
stage - THEY put party above country.

The Legislative Branch has caved in completely to the Executive Branch.
Warner and Roberts (Armed Dervices Committee and Intelligence Committee) have both attempted to obstruct their committees' charge (as well as subvert their promise to the public to 'follow up'.

In Roberts' case he is now taking the additional step of assisting in the obstruction of justice. He has a responsibilty to strengthen our intelligence (especially since he subscribes to the theory that the CIA and FBI failed on 9/11) - instead, he is assisting in once again making them the scapegoat for the political failures of Cheney and Bush.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:09 PM
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113. It's simple really -
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 05:23 PM by libhill
they don't give a damn about the country, the Constitution, or anything else. All they care about is making and keeping $$$$$ - and they don't give rats ass what they have to do or who they have to murder, to get it. The false patriotism is a veneer to impress Joe Sixpack and Susy Soccermom, who are too fucking stupid to know any better. Not unlike their equally phoney piety, all the "Praise Jaysus", "Gawd Bless America" crap is fodder for the simple minded. And there are a hell of a lot of them in this country. We're going to hell in a handbasket, and the public doesn't have a fucking clue.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:55 PM
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42. Yeah. We got a responsibility to make more than a few citizen's arrests.
and you got them pegged, deacon.

To help us is Al Martin's story from a couple years back:



George W. Bush - Terrorist in the White House

The Ambassador Wilson Affair:
The End of Karl Rove And George Bush?


By Al Martin

(Sep 2) This is the hottest and most explosive story behind the scenes in Washington in terms of how it could affect the Bush administration.

Ambassador Joseph Wilson has been turning up the heat in this situation. He revealed on Friday August 29 in a symposium in Washington the person in the Bush administration, who had leaked it out to the Washington Post that Wilsons wife is a CIA agent of 26 years. As a consequence of this leak, her entire team of overseas assets were liquidated.

The leaker, it turns out, was none other than the notorious Karl H. Rove, Bushs so-called White House advisor. Ambassador Wilson identified him as Karl Roverer, with the umlaut over the "o."

According to reliable sources, as well as our own Al Martin Raw.com investigation, Karl Rove is, in fact, the grandson of Karl Heinz Roverer, the gauleiter of Mecklenburg, who was also a partner and senior engineer of Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurbro AG. They built Birchenau, the concentration camp in Nazi Germany.

So Karl Rove has been identified as the leaker responsible for the deaths of more than 70 CIA assets overseas (See previous story "Will the Real Chemical Ali Please Stand Up? The Curious Case of Ambassador Joseph Wilson)

When Ambassador Wilson was asked how he knew it was Rove, he had documents in his possession identifying Rove as the leaker from a secret investigation of the State Departments Internal Security Unit. It was a from a small clique, four Clinton holdovers in that department of the State Department that were sympathetic to what had happened to Wilson.

These investigations could not have possibly been made without at least the tacit acquiescence of Secretary of State Colin Powell.

CONTINUE...

http://www.nogw.com/documents/rovewilson.html



It shows that Martin wrote this a couple years ago. What's weird is how much of it has come to pass. For America's sake, we need to get busy and be sure it all doesn't come to fruition.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 07:08 AM
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20. Great job!
These are the worst type of people. Their beliefs are the antithesis of the Founding Father's. The Plame scandal is exposing them, not so much to those who already recognized them for their essence, but to the Americans who thought this administration was advocating those ideals put forth by the Founding Fathers. I noted in another thread that the largest newspaper in Chenango County, perhaps the most hard-core right-wing republican county in upstate New York, had an editorial blasting the administration on Plame on Monday.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #20
58. HOW CONSERVATISM LEAVES US VULNERABLE TO NUCLEAR TERRORISM
Thought of you when I read the title. The thing's something someone who knows a Jesuit would understand.



HOW CONSERVATISM LEAVES US VULNERABLE TO NUCLEAR TERRORISM.

Moral Hazard
by J. Peter Scoblic
Post date: 07.28.05
Issue date: 08.08.05

EXCERPT...

For conservatives, then, Iraq--an odious regime that was susceptible to change because of its military weakness--was the most logical target for action. Iran and North Korea, by contrast, while hardly paragons of liberalism, did not spark the same moral outrage in conservatives that, say, Saddam's use of chemical weapons against the Kurds did. Moreover, a case could be made that regime change in Iraq could spark regime change elsewhere in the Middle East--a case that could not be made for North Korea. And, finally, Iran and North Korea posed far more substantial military challenges. Iran, in the words of Kenneth Pollack, author of The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq, has "three times the population, four times the landmass, and five times the problems" as Iraq. North Korea has a million-man army, and U.S. war games suggest that combat with the North could leave hundreds of thousands of Americans and South Koreans dead. Ridding the world of a monster via regime change thus became its own goal, irrespective of the threat to U.S. security. The danger--or lack thereof--from Saddam's supposed weapons of mass destruction was almost beside the point. As Wolfowitz admitted to Vanity Fair in May 2003, the WMD argument that Bush made was one of convenience: "The truth is that, for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on, which was weapons of mass destruction."

Unfortunately, regime change was not only the administration's preferred end in Iraq, but its preferred means everywhere else, as well. If negotiating with evil regimes equals appeasement, then diplomacy to resolve rogue-state nuclear threats is out of the question. But, aside from military action, conservatism suggests few courses of action, and, with the bulk of our combat forces tied up in Iraq, forcible regime change was not an option in North Korea or Iran. So, not only did conservatism lead us to war against a nation that was not threatening us, it paralyzed us from dealing with those nations that were.

From his first days in office, Bush refused to engage North Korea. In March 2001, he announced that he would not continue talks begun by the Clinton administration with Pyongyang to end its missile program, saying he had "skepticism" about North Korean leader Kim Jong Il. A senior American official told journalist James Mann that the administration didn't want to deal with North Korea because it wasn't a democracy. As Mann explains in his book Rise of the Vulcans, for the Bush administration, "o deal was better than one that didn't work or one that helped keep a brutal regime in power." That attitude was only reinforced once North Korea admitted its uranium-enrichment program. For three months, the Bush team simply refused to talk to Pyongyang. Indeed, as was recently reported by journalist Don Oberdorfer and former U.S. Ambassador Donald Gregg, it spurned a direct offer from Kim to Bush that read, "If the United States recognizes our sovereignty and assures non-aggression, it is our view that we should be able to find a way to resolve the nuclear issue in compliance with the demands of a new century." When the United States did eventually sit down with North Korea, it would do so only if China, Russia, Japan, and South Korea also participated in six-party talks, so that it could not be seen as giving in to North Korea's request for bilateral negotiations. And, for more than a year, it refused to address any of North Korea's concerns, instead simply repeating over and over that Pyongyang needed to completely, verifiably, and irreversibly dismantle its nuclear program before the United States would engage. In fact, the administration routinely went out of its way to insult North Korea, for no discernable reason other than to prevent diplomatic progress. (It is not a stretch to think that one of the reasons the six-party talks resumed this week after a yearlong lull is that Bush started referring to North Korea's leader as "Mr. Kim," instead of "pygmy" or "tyrant.")

Which is not to say the Bush administration has no strategy--it's just not a very good one. Both Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Cheney have suggested that economic pressure could force Kim's downfall--i.e., nonmilitary regime change. As a Bush official told The New York Times' Bill Keller in 2003, "If we could have containment that's tailored to the conditions of North Korea and not continue to throw it lifelines like we have in the past, I think it goes away." But regime change via containment is a long shot. The North Koreans have endured 50-plus years of U.S. sanctions, and even the fact that millions of North Koreans are starving or severely malnourished has done little to destabilize the government or weaken its negotiating position. As Nicholas Kristof of the Times recently reported from Pyongyang, "The central paradox of North Korea is this: No government in the world today is more brutal or has failed its people more abjectly, yet it appears to be in solid control and may even have substantial popular support." The Bush administration has been hoping the Chinese, on whom the North Koreans depend for food and energy, would be willing to cut off aid, but Beijing fears instability on the Korean Peninsula more than it fears a nuclearized North.

The administration's response to critics who question containment's efficacy is the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI), a loose federation of countries who cooperate to interdict illegal weapons transfers at sea. The problem, of course, is that PSI does nothing to prevent the North from producing fissile material in the first place (as it apparently continues to do), building nuclear weapons, and mounting them on ballistic missiles. Moreover, given that a weapon's worth of plutonium can weigh as little as nine pounds, and, given that neither China nor South Korea has agreed to participate in the program, PSI offers little reassurance that terrorists could not procure a North Korean nuke.

CONTINUED...

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050808&s=scoblic080805



My wife and I were married by a Jebbie, who also baptized our kids. He was as good a man as ever lived -- scratch golfer, too.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #58
90. I have an image of Cheney
feeling frustrated that the air strikes against Iran have not occured. I think that the neocons felt that at the very least, the "implied threat" would cause Iran to, well, to paraphrase the Kennedy administration from the Cuban missle crisis, to blink during the stare-down.

I think that attempting to hit Iranian facilities would be a mistake withbibical consequence.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:22 AM
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92. Chimpageddon
It's the phrase I borrow to describe what they are doing.

Look what the BUSH chimpministration did by outing Valerie Plame:

1. Endangered a CIA agent and her family.
2. Endangered Brewster Jennings and its employees, many of whom were non-CIA, losing an investment of many, many millions of dollars and the effectiveness of many, many CIA employees.
3. Destroyed an entire spy network, charged with monitoring and stopping the spread of nuclear weapons.

Certainly, their actions have served to damage and reduce the national security of the United States. Thats treason.

The reason? Why would BushCo reveal Plames name, knowing it would endanger a woman, all her contacts and severely damage the national security of the United States? Among other, less-direct things, it would:

1. Send a shot across the bow of the good people in government. Yeah, obviously.
2. Improve chances for American people and Congress to go along with Smirkos war plan, the illegal invasion of a nation that was no threat to the United States.
3. And to speed the spread of nuclear weapons.

These crooks don't want to earn a living -- they steal what they want.

These gangsters don't respect human life -- they kill without remorse.

These madmen don't want peace -- they make war.

These traitors haven'd done one thing to make America stronger -- they work to destroy the nation and the planet.

Why do all the above?

To destroy all who oppose them.

To reduce what Scrooge called the "surplus population."

To enslave the survivors.

To control the air, water, land and resources needed to sustain life.

Just like the NAZIs they are.

Thanks for working to stop them, H20 Man! You come to the battle armed to the teeth and keypad with the most powerful of weapons -- the Truth.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. One of the most
important things for DUers to keep in mind is that the BFEE and neocon para-nazi movement, are always intent upon fostering a climate of hatred and fear. Hatred and fear, as we know, are twins conjoined with the quest for power of this group.

They did not attempt to destroy Wilson because they held him in contempt, nor did they actively derail an investigation that Plame was connected to (and that, they did!) because they despised her; rather, attempts to utterly and ruthlessly destroy in this manner are only done as a result of their fear.

More than at any time in human history, there is a diseased sense of fear infecting the judgement of almost the entire Western Hemisphere. It is sad to see less-informed people than those we know on DU, who actually are invested in the lie that the Bill of Rights must be rolled back, in order to "protect" it and us! And the fear and hatred that, to borrow Malcolm's line, have turned the once respected American eagle into the detested Halliburton vulture, is the result of the conscious effort of those people -- BFEE & neoncons -- to dominate the entire globe. And Wilson and Plame represented the same threat to that plan as did JFK, RFK, MLK, and a host of lesser-known examples.

We are talking about "political" people who consciously care no more about America or Americans than they do about the innocent victims of their vicious destruction in Iraq. These are human beings that, no matter if we approach it from a religious, spiritual, or psychological manner, do not have the least element of Good in them!

And so here, today, they see a growing movement, headed by this man Fitzgerald, that threatens their vested interests. And they fear him. They fear what he represents. And so that is why it is so important that people like yourself put in the work you do, here, which translates into a growing awareness of what is actually happening at the national & international level. And I enjoy being on the same team with you.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 07:58 AM
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21. kick and recommended!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:23 PM
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49. Thanks, Swamp Rat! Great Caesar's Chameleon!
That image graces one of the notebooks I carry around at work. Many people compliment me on the work. Of course, I recommend they discover the artist online. They're fascinated to discover how much there is to learn, when it comes to the BFEE...

Here's a bit more on the subject:



Top Aides Reportedly Set Sights on Wilson

Rove and Cheney chief of staff were intent on discrediting CIA agent's husband, prosecutors have been told.


By Tom Hamburger and Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON Top aides to President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney were intensely focused on discrediting former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV in the days after he wrote an op-ed article for the New York Times suggesting the administration manipulated intelligence to justify going to war in Iraq, federal investigators have been told.

Prosecutors investigating whether administration officials illegally leaked the identity of Wilson's wife, a CIA officer who had worked undercover, have been told that Bush's top political strategist, Karl Rove, and Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, were especially intent on undercutting Wilson's credibility, according to people familiar with the inquiry.

Although lower-level White House staffers typically handle most contacts with the media, Rove and Libby began personally communicating with reporters about Wilson, prosecutors were told.

A source directly familiar with information provided to prosecutors said Rove's interest was so strong that it prompted questions in the White House. When asked at one point why he was pursuing the diplomat so aggressively, Rove reportedly responded: "He's a Democrat." Rove then cited Wilson's campaign donations, which leaned toward Democrats, the person familiar with the case said.

The disclosures about the officials' roles illustrate White House concern about Wilson's July 6, 2003, article, which challenged the administration's assertion that Iraq had sought to purchase nuclear materials. Wilson's article appeared as Rove and other Bush aides were preparing the 2004 reelection campaign strategy, which was built largely around the president's response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

CONTINUED...

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-na-leak18ju...



Life really does imitate art.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:08 AM
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24. Roberts at his CNN interview
You boyz are looking a little desparate - I like that in a man, just like Andy Sipowitz likes it in a skell.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:29 PM
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50. I LOOK like Bogie, if he needed to visit an emergency weight-loss clinic.
Here's the real thing: "Strawberries."

Image

Speaking of desperation:



Rove-Bush Conspiracy Noose Tightens

By Robert Parry
Consortiumnews.com
July 19, 2005

EXCERPT...

But two new facts contradict that assertion and show that Rove was coordinating his leaks about Plame with officials in Bushs National Security Council and Vice President Dick Cheneys office.

The first new piece of evidence is a little-noticed part of Time magazine correspondent Matthew Cooper's testimony last week before a federal grand jury in Washington.

Some news articles have noted Coopers statement that Rove brought up Wilsons wife during an interview on July 11, 2003, and that Rove volunteered that she worked for the agency on WMD issues. Cooper said Rove cited these facts in claiming that Plame was responsible for Wilsons trip to Africa in February 2002 to investigate whether Iraq was trying to obtain yellowcake uranium from Niger.

Whats been overlooked, however, is another part of Coopers account. Cooper said his notes reveal that Rove then added that material was going to be declassified in the coming days that would cast doubt on Wilsons mission and his findings. In ending the conversation, Rove said, Ive already said too much, according to Cooper.

Roves assertion that he knew about plans to declassify material on Wilson indicates that Rove was not just a loose-lipped talker repeating stuff hed heard from reporters, but he was a participant in internal White House discussions about how to counteract Wilsons criticisms by releasing then-secret information.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/071805.html



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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:16 PM
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30. to mess up an investigation which "cannot be commented on"
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 06:16 PM by BelgianMadCow
using a congressional oversight committee
that had NO oversight whatsoever
on the factfixing by the OSP
is totally ridiculous

If I wasn't so scared by the fools who hold the reigns, I'd be glad it isn't my country that is turning into a banana republic



America! Please wake up!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
51. Now we know: It wasn't the Allies, it was the NAZIs who won the war.
So. Yes. It's time to wake up, America.



CIA Leak Investigation Turns to Possible Perjury, Obstruction

By Douglas Frantz, Sonni Efron and Richard B. Schmitt, Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON The special prosecutor in the CIA leak investigation has shifted his focus from determining whether White House officials violated a law against exposing undercover agents to determining whether evidence exists to bring perjury or obstruction of justice charges, according to people briefed in recent days on the inquiry's status.

Differences have arisen in witnesses' statements to federal agents and a grand jury about how the name of Valerie Plame, a CIA agent, was leaked to the press two years ago.

According to lawyers familiar with the case, investigators are comparing statements by two top White House aides, Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, with testimony from reporters who have acknowledged talking to the officials.

SNIP...

The investigation focused initially on whether administration officials illegally leaked the identity of Plame, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, in a campaign to discredit Wilson after he wrote an op-ed article in the New York Times criticizing the Bush administration's grounds for going to war in Iraq.

The sources said prosecutors were comparing the various statements to the FBI and the grand jury by Rove, who is a White House deputy chief of staff and President Bush's chief political strategist. In Rove's first interview with the FBI, he did not mention a telephone conversation he had with Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper, according to lawyers involved in the case. Cooper has since said that he called Rove specifically to discuss the matter.

CONTINUED...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-le...





PS: Hi, BelgianMadCow! A hearty welcome to DU! And you're always welcome in Detroit, where we have many Belgian friends and family!
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:01 PM
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59. Hey thanks for the warm welcome!
You're welcome anytime you're around brussels or bruges too!

Is there, like, a Belgian community in Detroit??

I've only been to the west coast unfortunately.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:58 PM
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62. Operation Paperclip and Prescott Bush
with the guidance of the Dulles bros and the laziness or worse of Truman allowed the Nazis into the OSS later to become the CIA and it sure looks to me like it will be some version of zeig heil american style .. kinda like luv american style..

except the elites will be lieben it and the rest might not feel the same way.

Well at least the charade will be over and the ole Nazi flags won't have to be hidden in the garage..

but it could NEVER hapen here..
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:18 PM
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31. right on! clear as daylight! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 12:43 PM
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52. Cheney loves nuclear proliferation.
I'd call him a monster, but I wouldn't want to get him any sympathy.



On the Nuclear Edge

by Seymour M. Hersh
Issue of 1993-03-29
Posted 2004-01-12

In the past few weeks, news reports have revealed troubling information about the possible export of Pakistani nuclear technology to countries such as Iran and Libya, and about the role played in the transfers by Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, who is known as the father of the Pakistani bomb. There have long been questions about Dr. Khan, who has, whenever possible, avoided the public eye. In this piece from 1993, Seymour M. Hersh takes a prescient look at Pakistans nuclear proliferation, and at Dr. Khan.

On May 30, 1990, President Mikhail Gorbachev of the Soviet Union arrived in Washington for his second summit meeting with President George Bush. The Cold War was over, and the publicly announced agenda reflected that fact: the two world leaders would concentrate their talks on the future of unified Germany and on renewed negotiations to reduce long-range nuclear weapons. Most Americans were increasingly upbeat about the prospects for world peace. A Times/CBS public-opinion poll of more than eleven hundred Americans taken a week before the summit showed that fewer than one in five believed nuclear war to be likely by the year 2000far fewer than those interviewed in earlier polls.

There was a fearful irony in the poll, because in the days before Gorbachevs visit the Bush Administration became convinced that the world was on the edge of a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India, as both nations continued their tug-of-war over control of the state of Kashmir, on Indias northern border, whose status has been in dispute since the collapse of the British Empire in India, in 1947. During months of increasing tension, India had massed two hundred thousand troops, including paramilitary forces, in Kashmir, and had deployed five brigades of its most sophisticated attack unit, the Indian Army Strike Corps, fifty miles from the Pakistani border in the south. Pakistan, against which the much larger India had foughtand wonthree wars since 1947, openly deployed its main armored tank units along the Indian border and, in secret, placed its nuclear-weapons arsenal on alert. There would be no repeat of the disastrous two-week war of December, 1971, when Pakistan, outgunned and outgeneraled, was dismembered by an Indian blitzkrieg and lost what is now Bangladesh.

The American intelligence community, also operating in secret, had concluded by late May that Pakistan had put together at least six and perhaps as many as ten nuclear weapons, and a number of senior analysts were convinced that some of those warheads had been deployed on Pakistans American-made F-16 fighter planes. The analysts also suspected that Benazir Bhutto, the populist Prime Minister of Pakistan, had been cut out ofor had chosen to remove herself fromthe nuclear planning. Her absence meant that the nations avowedly pro-nuclear President, Ghulam Ishaq Khan, and the Pakistani military, headed by Army General Mirza Aslam Beg, had their hands, unfettered, on the button. There was little doubt that India, with its far more extensive nuclear arsenal, stood ready to retaliate in kind.

Since the last week of May was summit week, President Bush and his top aides were preoccupied with Gorbachev and crucial questions about his status inside the Soviet Union. A full understanding of what could happen in South Asia during those days was thus most vivid to the men and women running American intelligence, who knew that Pakistan had long been Americas ally in the clandestine war against the Soviet Union. As early as 1950, the Pakistani government had effectively ceded remote areas of its northern provinces to the Central Intelligence Agency and to the National Security Agencythe larger and still more secretive group that, from its headquarters, at Fort Meade, in Maryland, is responsible for communications intelligence. It was from northern Pakistan that the N.S.A. eavesdropped on the Soviet nuclear facilities in Kazakhstan; it was Pakistan that provided secret bases for Americas U-2 spy flights; and it was Pakistan that served as a key jumping-off point for intelligence gathering and anti-Soviet activities by the C.I.A.

Pakistan was rewarded for its support with large amounts of American military and economic aid. The American intelligence community, to protect its investment and its continuing operations, spent many millions of dollars to recruit agents and to install technical equipment to learn as much as possible about the inner workings of its ally. Those agents and that equipment enabled America to ascertain, in the early spring of 1990, that Pakistan had gone nuclear, and that its leadership was fully prepared to use the weapons, if necessary, in a war against India.

CONTINUED...

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/archive/040119fr_ar...



I know this is old hat for you, G_j! It's the newer DUers and our visitors and guests who are just learning about the topic of Chimpageddon.

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:03 PM
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35. One way or another - these bastards are going down
One day.. hopefully. :shrug:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:24 PM
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63. They really aren't that smart.They're just connected. Take Dick Cheney.
Please.

As this great article shows, everything the guy touches turns into a steaming, stinking turd.



The Curse of Dick Cheney

The veep's career has been marred by one disaster after another


By T.D. ALLMAN

Should George W. Bush win this election, it will give him the distinction of being the first occupant of the White House to have survived naming Dick Cheney to a post in his administration. The Cheney jinx first manifested itself at the presidential level back in 1969, when Richard Nixon appointed him to his first job in the executive branch. It surfaced again in 1975, when Gerald Ford made Cheney his chief of staff and then -- with Cheney's help -- lost the 1976 election. George H.W. Bush, having named Cheney secretary of defense, was defeated for re-election in 1992. The ever-canny Ronald Reagan was the only Republican president since Eisenhower who managed to serve two full terms. He is also the only one not to have appointed Dick Cheney to office.

This pattern of misplaced confidence in Cheney, followed by disastrous results, runs throughout his life -- from his days as a dropout at Yale to the geopolitical chaos he has helped create in Baghdad. Once you get to know his history, the cycle becomes clear: First, Cheney impresses someone rich or powerful, who causes unearned wealth and power to be conferred on him. Then, when things go wrong, he blames others and moves on to a new situation even more advantageous to himself.

"Cheney's manner and authority of voice far outstrip his true abilities," says Chas Freeman, who served under Bush's father as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. "It was clear from the start that Bush required adult supervision -- but it turns out Cheney has even worse instincts. He does not understand that when you act recklessly, your mistakes will come back and bite you on the ass."

Cheney's record of mistakes begins in 1959, when Tom Stroock, a Republican politician-businessman in Casper, Wyoming, got Cheney, then a senior at Natrona County High School, a scholarship to Yale. "Dick was the all-American boy, in the top ten percent of his class," Stroock says. "He seemed a natural." But instead of triumphing, Cheney failed. "He spent his time partying with guys who loved football but weren't varsity quality," recalls Stephen Billings, an Episcopalian minister who roomed with him during Cheney's freshman (and only full) year at Yale. "His idea was, you didn't need to master the material," says his other roommate, Jacob Plotkin. "He passed one psych course without attending class or studying, and he was proud of that. But there are some things you can't bluff, and Dick reached a point where you couldn't recover."

Cheney might have been flunking in the classroom, but he excelled at making connections. "Dick always had this very calm way of talking," recalls Plotkin, now a retired math professor at Michigan State University. "His thoughtful manner impressed people." Forty years before the son of a U.S. president picked Cheney to be his running mate, the son of a Massachusetts governor picked him to be his sophomore-year roommate. Mark Furcolo, whose father, Foster, had been elected governor as a Democrat, invited Cheney to Cape Cod for a visit. "Dick came back enraptured," Plotkin says. "He was fascinated by the official state cars and planes. The trappings of it got him."

CONTINUED...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/rnd/109400...



That, plus the fact that good always triumphs over evil.
So, yeah. These bastards are going down.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:07 AM
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72. Wow. He's quite a Dick
indeed it seems. Nice connections made in that article.

I found another interesting Dick Cheney article:
http://amsam.org/2004/11/donkey-dick-cheney-confirmed.h...

:evilgrin:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 10:51 PM
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40. This really says it all
<So, this long-term pattern of White House behavior suggests that negligence isnt the whole story. Rather it looks as if the dissemination of Plames identity may have crossed the line into a criminal conspiracy at the highest levels of the U.S. government.>

There is some reason why Bush isn't getting rid of Rove and firing him. They can't possibly get rid of Fitzgerald so they're going to "investigate" him. If they fire Fitzgerald it will show they are guilty so they're going to do like they did with Clinton probably and spend thousands of bucks looking into this guy for anything. Of course if they don't find anything on him (which I'm guessing they won't) then they're going to be very embarrassed.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:34 PM
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64. Bellaciao: "Rove's Leak Points to Bush Conspiracy."
Sometimes interesting times have their good moments.

Like when treason and murder come out into the open.



Roves Leak Points to Bush Conspiracy

By Robert Parry

A key national security principle for dealing with top-secret information, such as the identity of undercover CIA officers, is strict compartmentalization, often called the need to know - which raises the question why George W. Bushs chief political adviser Karl Rove would know anything about the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame.

The answer to that mystery - why was Rove involved - may be more crucial to unraveling who was behind the illegal leaking of Plames name and the subsequent cover-up than even the identity of which Bush officials passed the information to right-wing pundit Robert Novak for his infamous column on July 14, 2003.

But rather than focusing on how and why Rove knew about Plame, the latest controversy around the case has centered on whether Rove explicitly used her name in an interview with Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper three days before Novaks column.

Roves lawyer Robert Luskin told the Washington Post that his client didnt identify Plame by name, only mentioning her in giving Cooper guidance about who was responsible for authorizing a fact-finding trip by Plames husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, to Niger in February 2002. (Washington Post, July 11, 2005)

According to an internal Time e-mail (obtained by Newsweek), Cooper informed his editor that Rove offered a big warning not to get too far out on Wilson and that KR said the Niger trip was authorized by wilsons wife, who apparently works at the agency (CIA) on wmd issues. (Newsweek, July 18, 2005, issue)

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/071105.html





I think real journalism is just fabulous.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 01:25 PM
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55. Cicero:"A nation.... cannot survive treason from within".
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitorhe speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nationhe works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a cityhe infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared..".....Cicero, 42 B.C.E.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:47 PM
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67. Speaking of treason: Where's Condescenda fit in all this?
Inquiring minds want to know...



The Source Beyond Rove- Condoleezza Rice at the Center of the Plame Scandal

by Roger Morris
July 28, 2005 by CommonDreams.org

We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." It was September 2002, and then-National Security Advisor, now-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was fastening on CNN perhaps the most memorable and frightening single link in the Bush regimes chain of lies propagandizing the war on Iraq. Behind her carefully planted one-liner with its grim imagery was the whole larger hoax about Saddam Hussein possessing or about to acquire weapons of mass destruction, a deception as blatant and inflammatory as claims of the Iraqi dictators ties to Al Qaeda.

Rices demagogic scare tactic was also very much part of the tangled history of alleged Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger, the fabrication leading to ex-Ambassador Joseph Wilsons now famous expos of the fraud, the administrations immediate retaliatory outing of Wilsons wife Valerie Plame as a CIA operative, and now the revelation that the Presidents supreme political strategist Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheneys Chief of Staff Lewis Libby were involved in that potentially criminal leakaltogether the most serious political crisis Bush has faced. In fact, though her pivotal role has been missed entirelyor deliberately ignoredin both the media feeding frenzy and the rising political clamor, now-Secretary of State Rice was also deeply embroiled in the Niger uranium-Plame scandal, arguably as much as or more so than either Rove or Libby.

For those who know the invariably central role of the NSC Advisor in sensitive political subjects in foreign policy and in White House leaks to the media as well as tending of policy, especially in George W. Bushs rigidly disciplined, relentlessly political regime, Rice by both commission and omission was integral in perpetrating the original fraud of Niger, and then inevitably in the vengeful betrayal of Plames identity. None of that spilling of secrets for crass political retribution could have gone on without her knowledge and approval, and thus complicity. Little of it could have happened without her participation, if not as a leaker herself, at least with her direction and with her scripting.

]b]"God's never failed me yet"

One summer weekend in 1998 at the family estate at Kennebunkport, Me., former president George H. W. Bush introduced his ambitious son George W. to a 43-year-old political science professor, Condoleezza Rice. One of the rare African-American women in the field of Soviet studies, she was rarer still for her archly conservative views. She had interrupted a teaching career at Stanford to work from 1989 until 1991 on the elder Bush's National Security Council staff as a specialist on Russian and East European affairs, and remained a vocal Bush loyalist. George W. Bush was planning on running for the White House and was woefully uninformed about world politics. At Kennebunkport, the politician and academic hit it off right away, and Rice was entrusted with a vital task: "to instruct and protect G.W. at his most vulnerable," as a friend put it. How the woman who became his National Security Adviser and then Secretary of State has fulfilled that trust has had fateful consequences for the United States, other nations, and not least for George W. Bush.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0728-25.htm



So many traitors. So little time.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:58 PM
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74. ]"God's never failed me yet"
her god with a small 'g' her god of the mushroom cloud of despair and desolation..her god of the privleged by the privleged for the privleged..

her god of fear and terror

to actually say mushroom cloud is the most terrifying sentence in US history guaranteed to scare the sheeple for many elections to come..And she got clean away with this fear tacic and lie..her god whom I chose to refer to as satan ..real or imagened ..her god is not the God of mercy and justice that I was taught about and serve today

False
Evidence
Appearing
Real
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 06:18 PM
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60. Excellent post, Octafish! Just curious, did you know about John Kokal?
This story ties in with Plamegate suspects Bolton, Wurmser, Hannah and in a separate case, Elliot Abrams.

Was Bolton behind death of State Department official?

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

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First reported on November 20, 2003, updated April 20, 2005, WASHINGTON, DCIn a case eerily reminiscent of the death of British Ministry of Defense bio-weapons expert, Dr. David Kelly, an official of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research Near East and South Asian division (INR/NESA), John J. Kokal, 58, was found dead in the late afternoon of November 7, 2003.

Police indicated he may have jumped from the roof of the State Department. Kokal's body was found at the bottom of a 20-foot window well, eight floors below the roof of the State Department headquarters, near the 23rd and D Street location. Kokal's death was briefly mentioned in a FOX News website story on November 8 but has been virtually overlooked by the major media. In light of recent revelations concerning UN ambassador nominee John Bolton's bizarre and physically abusive behavior, a re-examination of the Kokal death is in order.

snip

State Department officials dispute official department communiqus that said Kokal was not an analyst at INR. People who know Kokal told the French publication Geopolitique that Kokal was involved in the analysis of intelligence about Iraq prior to and during the war against Saddam Hussein. According to State Department sources, Kokal briefed Secretary of State Colin Powell at least once a week on Iraq, adding that Kokal was a skeptic on the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

Another INR official, weapons expert Greg Thielmann, said he and INR were largely ignored by Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton and his deputy, David Wurmser, a pro-Likud neoconservative who recently became Vice President Dick Cheney's Middle East adviser. Kokal's former boss, the recently retired chief of INR, Carl W. Ford, later said that Bolton often exaggerated information to steer people in the wrong directions.

more...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/042105Mads...

I would not put this past the BFEE at all! They already have plenty of blood on their hands!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:01 AM
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68. BFEE has lots of blood on their hands, including Mr. Kokal's.
Oh, yeah. Wayne Madsen's done a remarkable job as a truth-spreader. Thanks for reminding me about Mr. Kokal. Most people do not just decide to end their lives after publicly -- or publicly in the case of at work -- going against the bosses' stated wishes and rationale for going to war.

There are many, many others, like Mr. Frank Olson, who realized what kind of NAZI scum the CIA was led by during the MK/ULTRA experiments. Of course, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld turned up then, as well, helping "settle" things in the mid-1970s.

http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Contents.html


On the other side of the pond, we had Dr. David Kelly. He spoke about the "sexed up" intel and all it did was get him dead. One of the last people to speak with him was Judy Miller of the New York Times. Of course, she wasn't in jail then, but she was helping spread disinformation and misinformation about Iraq and WMDs.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101403_kelly_...


In a seemingly unrelated matter -- but connected through the Bush Crime Family of Texas -- ENRON Vice Chairman Cliff Baxter thought he needed a bodyguard before he or someone else changed his mind permanently.

http://www.apfn.org/enron/b_club.htm


PS: Speaking of truth spreaders, thanks for the kind words Robert! Your timelines and work have most properly pegged these turds to their treasonous stink. Thank you!
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:09 PM
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79. you know, it's a funny thing about Wayne Madsen's
stories.

Many here and other places quickly brush off Madsen as an outrageous storyteller, but as these leaks and facts come out more and more, Madsen's stories start to shake out.

From what I do know about him, he did in fact work for the NSA for a period of time, among other places, and to me that gives him an edge of credibility and/or insider-ness.

Others have hogwashed his writings and I can't remember what has been specifically said about him in terms of his stories didn't shake out, but if anyone has examples of what did and what didn't - it'd be interesting to compare - and even continue comparing as more information comes out.

Maybe there's been a thread or two about this already, I dunno, but if not - maybe it deserves a thread of it's own.

In any event, I find his stories facinating, and even taken with a block of rock salt, they are still believable these days.

Opinions or facts on this?

Another Wayne Madsen thread maybe?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 04:27 PM
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96. Madsen pegged Bush-Bath-bin Laden connection
You're absolutely correct, utopiansecretagent. Madsen's usually so far ahead of everybody else, his stuff seems wrong. Odd how history has shown him to be right more often than not, which is a million times better than Corporate McPravda.

Masden's on target, here. Remember the fellah who was the bin Laden and bin Mahfouz families' U.S. business agent AND George W Bush's Texas Air National Guard bud, James R Bath?



QUESTIONABLE TIES

Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas


by Wayne Madsen

On September 24, President George W. Bush appeared at a press conference in the White House Rose Garden to announce a crackdown on the financial networks of terrorists and those who support them. U.S. banks that have assets of these groups or individuals must freeze their accounts, Bush declared. And U.S. citizens or businesses are prohibited from doing business with them.

But the president, who is now enjoying an astounding 92 percent approval rating, hasnt always practiced what he is now preaching: Bushs own businesses were once tied to financial figures in Saudi Arabia who currently support bin Laden.

In 1979, Bushs first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Ladens, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the 80s in what has been called the largest bank fraud in world financial history by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the 80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCIs frontman in Houstons Main Bank.

CONTINUED...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml



People who give a damn remember. Thanks for being one of them, utopiansecretagent.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:24 PM
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103. WOW! More dirt on Plame/Khan conspiracy & Sibel Edmonds!
I sent a copy of American Judas to Madsen, and it looks like he's done a lot more investigating into the BFEE links to A.Q. Khan that Plame and Brewster Jennings were conducting a sting operation on. Note the similarities between this conspiracy and the one Sibel Edmonds was uncovering at the FBI:


July 31, 2005/August 1, 2005 **** Plame leak damaged a major CIA investigation linking senior Bush administration officials to WMD proliferation. U.S. intelligence insiders have pointed out that the White House is using "Rovegate" and "Who in the White House said what to whom?" as a smoke screen to divert attention away from the actual counter-proliferation work Mrs. Wilson and her Brewster Jennings & Associates team were engaged in. The arrival of Timothy Flanigan as Patrick J. Fitzgerald's boss is likely related to the mountains of evidence Fitzgerald has now collected to indict senior White House officials, particularly, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, for criminal conspiracy in exposing a sensitive U.S. intelligence operation that was targeting some of their closest political and business associates. Libby, it will be recalled, was the attorney for fugitive global smuggler and Clinton-pardoned multi-billionaire Marc Rich, someone who has close ties to the Sharon government and Israeli intelligence. It is no coincidence that FBI translator-turned-whistleblower Sibel Edmonds uncovered nuclear material and narcotics trafficking involving Turkish intermediaries with ties to Israel at the same time Brewster Jennings and the CIA's Counter Proliferation Division was hot on the trail of nuclear proliferators tied to the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon and the A. Q. Khan network of Pakistan.

Feith and Libby: Ultimate targets of CIA counter-proliferation team? Time magazine reported on July 31 that White House knew about Plame's identity long before Joseph Wilson's July 6, 2003 OP ED in the New York Times. Feith and Libby had reasons to be worried about Plame and her team's counter-proliferation work.

An arrest in early 2004 points to the links between Israeli agents and Islamist groups bent on producing weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons. According to intelligence sources, this was a network that was a major focus of Edmonds' and Valerie Plame Wilson's work. In January 2004, FBI and U.S. Customs agents arrested Asher Karni, a Hungarian-born Orthodox Jew, Israeli citizen, and resident of Cape Town, South Africa, at Denver International Airport for illegally exporting 200 electrically triggered spark gaps -- devices that send synchronized electrical pulses and are used in nuclear weapons -- to Pakistan via a New Jersey export company named Giza Technologies of Secaucus (owned by Zeki Bilmen -- whom the FBI has identified as a Turkish Jew who was already under surveillance by the CIA team). The cargo manifest listed the equipment as electronics gear for the Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto, South Africa. However, the initial shipment of 66 triggers did not go to the hospital but to Karnis Top-Cape Technology of Cape Town, South Africa. Top Cape, in turn, sent the triggers to AJKMC Lithography Aid Society in Islamabad, Pakistan through Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Top-Cape "officially" traded in military and aviation electronics equipment. It was during the summer of 2003, when Valerie Plame and her team -- at a critical stage of their investigation of the A. Q. Khan network -- were outed by White House officials Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and at least one other individual (possibly Elliot Abrams), that Karni received an e-mail from his long time Pakistani associate Humayun Khan (no relation to A. Q. Khan) asking for 200 triggers to be sent to his Islamabad-based company, Pakland PME.

After initially attempting to purchase the devices from a sale agent in France -- an attempt that proved unsuccessful when the French agent demanded a U.S. export license for the triggers because the end destination was Pakistan -- Karni managed to obtain the triggers from Perkin-Elmer's manufacturing plant in Massachusetts through Giza Technologies. Karni's e-mail traffic to and from Khan was being intercepted by a covert agent in South Africa and being forwarded to U.S. authorities. It is not known whether the covert agent was a Brewster Jennings' asset but it would not be surprising considering Karni was an important link in the A. Q. Khan nuclear smuggling network. By the time the initital shipment of 66 triggers were sent to Karni's Cape Town office, U.S. and South African intelligence were already closely monitoring the transaction and the key players involved. It is also noteworthy that Karni previously worked for a Cape Town electronic import firm called Eagle Technology but was fired after it was discovered by his boss that he was making secret deals to ship nuclear components to Israel, India, Pakistan, and possibly, North Korea. Karni had been in South Africa for 20 years after arriving from Israel. His time in South Africa coincided with the apartheid government's rapid development of its own (since disestablished) nuclear weapons program and very close military ties between South Africa and Israel.



A.Q. Khan link to Israeli smuggler: Designed to speed up Iranian nuclear development to justify U.S./Israeli attack on Iran.

As for Humayun Khan, the Los Angeles Times discovered that the Pakistani "businessman" had been involved in nuclear weapons smuggling since 1975 when he was engaged in business with a former Nazi named Alfred Hempel, who was the kingpin in a global nuclear smuggling network active throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Hempel died in 1989. In an interview aired by PBS's Frontline on July 26, Humayun Khan said he never realized Karni was Jewish, stating that the Israeli masqueraded as a Muslim. However, what is clear is that an Israeli-based network, involving key neo-conservatives in the Bush adminstration, were attempting to speed up the clock on the delivery by the A. Q. Khan network of prohibited nuclear material to countries like Iran, thereby justifying a pre-emptive U.S. (and Israeli-supported) attack on Iranian nuclear installations. It was this network that attracted the attention of the CIA and when it realized some of the "men behind the curtain" were in the Pentagon, they had their smoking gun evidence of double dealing by Bush administration officials and their compatriots in the Sharon government.

more...

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

These tales of treason all seem to tie together, don't they?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:57 PM
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104. Thanks robertpaulsen has Justin Raimondo been posted yet?


....

Scott then named Ledeen as the aforementioned "well-known neoconservative" with Italian connections, and Giraldi did not deny it, while averring that "there are issues involved in raising someone's name." Giraldi went on to say that the forgers

"Also had some equity interests, shall we say, with the operation. A lot of these people are in consulting positions, and they get various, shall we say, emoluments in overseas accounts, and that kind of thing."

According to The Washington Monthly, Ledeen worked as a consultant to Feith's Pentagon policy shop the same department that, as the Franklin investigation shows, has been penetrated by Israeli intelligence. In addition, Laura Rozen reports that Ghorbanifar told her

"He has had fifty meetings with Michael Ledeen since September 11th, and that he has given Ledeen '4,000 to 5,000 pages of sensitive documents' concerning Iran, Iraq, and the Middle East, 'material no one else has received.'"

Of the thousands of pages of "sensitive documents" that passed from Ghorbanifar to Ledeen, how many wound up in the files of the Office of Special Plans, where Ledeen protg Harold Rhode and others of that circle labored mightily to provide "talking points" for the administration in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? Were the Niger uranium forgeries among them? I don't know, but surely investigators will want to be asking these questions of "a certain well-known neoconservative who has close connections with Italy," and other less well-known neocons who have close connections with him.


http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6826
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:43 PM
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105. Spy links
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 04:16 PM by seemslikeadream
Analyst Charged With Passing Iran Info: Franklin Turned Self InTo FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Fieth resigns from Pentagon today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Former CIA official looks to leak the truth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
New Israeli spy probe has a 30-year history, insiders say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Money from Iran Fuels Iraq Insurgency -Rumsfeld
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: Dont arrest them!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Ashcroft Nixes Arrests in Israeli Spy Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Spy Case Renews Debate Over Pro-Israel Lobby's Ties to Pentagon Cons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation
of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...




Pentagon leaks connected to battle over Iran policy (this is big!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

WP: Spy Probe Expands/Linked to NSC Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

U.S. Spy Probe Focuses on Two Lobbyists -Guardian
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


The rest are here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 04:37 PM
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106. Great links! And Raimondo nails the common link with the conspiracies.
Just goes to show if you don't imprison hard-core criminals, they come back to commit worse crimes. Funny how the pardoned Iran-Contra alumni keep rising like zombies to sink their fangs into our foreign policy. I used to think Abrams and Poindexter were the worst, but after reading Madsen and Raimondo's latest, I have to change that answer to Michael Ledeen. He's got the anti-Midas touch.

Thanks for posting this seemslikeadream. And thank you Octafish for another fantastic thread!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:28 PM
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61. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:56 PM
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77. Leak damaged CIA investigation linking BFEE to WMD proliferation.
Thanks for the kick to the pants of the BFEE, oasis! Much obliged. Hey! Didya hear how Plame's work was, um, infringing on a BFEE profit center?



Plame leak damaged a major CIA investigation linking senior Bush administration officials to WMD proliferation.

U.S. intelligence insiders have pointed out that the White House is using "Rovegate" and "Who in the White House said what to whom?" as a smoke screen to divert attention away from the actual counter-proliferation work Mrs. Wilson and her Brewster Jennings & Associates team were engaged in. The arrival of Timothy Flanigan as Patrick J. Fitzgerald's boss is likely related to the mountains of evidence Fitzgerald has now collected to indict senior White House officials, particularly, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, for criminal conspiracy in exposing a sensitive U.S. intelligence operation that was targeting some of their closest political and business associates. Libby, it will be recalled, was the attorney for fugitive global smuggler and multi-bilionaire Marc Rich, someone who has close ties to the Sharon government and Israeli intelligence. It is no coincidence that FBI translator-turned-whistleblower Sibel Edmonds uncovered nuclear material and narcotics trafficking involving Turkish intermediaries with ties to Israel at the same time Brewster Jennings and the CIA's Counter Proliferation Division was hot on the trail of nuclear proliferators tied to the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon and the A. Q. Khan network of Pakistan.

An arrest in early 2004 points to the links between Israeli agents and Islamist groups bent on producing weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons. According to intelligence sources, this was a network that was a major focus of Edmonds' and Valerie Plame Wilson's work. In January 2004, FBI and U.S. Customs agents arrested Asher Karni, a Hungarian-born Orthodox Jew, Israeli citizen, and resident of Cape Town, South Africa, at Denver International Airport for illegally exporting 200 electrically triggered spark gaps -- devices that send synchronized electrical pulses and are used in nuclear weapons -- to Pakistan via a New Jersey export company named Giza Technologies of Secaucus (owned by Zeki Bilmen -- whom the FBI has identified as a Turkish Jew who was already under surveillance by the CIA team). The cargo manifest listed the equipment as electronics gear for the Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto, South Africa. However, the initial shipment of 66 triggers did not go to the hospital but to Karnis Top-Cape Technology of Cape Town, South Africa. Top Cape, in turn, sent the triggers to AJKMC Lithography Aid Society in Islamabad, Pakistan through Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Top-Cape "officially" traded in military and aviation electronics equipment. It was during the summer of 2003, when Valerie Plame and her team -- at a critical stage of their investigation of the A. Q. Khan network -- were outed by White House officials Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and at least one other individual (possibly Elliot Abrams), that Karni received an e-mail from his long time Pakistani associate Humayun Khan (no relation to A. Q. Khan) asking for 200 triggers to be sent to his Islamabad-based company, Pakland PME.

After initially attempting to purchase the devices from a sale agent in France -- an attempt that proved unsuccessful when the French agent demanded a U.S. export license for the triggers because the end destination was Pakistan -- Karni managed to obtain the triggers from Perkin-Elmer's manufacturing plant in Massachusetts through Giza Technologies. Karni's e-mail traffic to and from Khan was being intercepted by a covert agent in South Africa and being forwarded to U.S. authorities. It is not known whether the covert agent was a Brewster Jennings' asset but it would not be surprising considering Karni was an important link in the A. Q. Khan nuclear smuggling network. By the time the initital shipment of 66 triggers were sent to Karni's Cape Town office, U.S. and South African intelligence were already closely monitoring the transaction and the key players involved. It is also noteworthy that Karni previously worked for a Cape Town electronic import firm called Eagle Technology but was fired after it was discovered by his boss that he was making secret deals to ship nuclear components to Israel, India, Pakistan, and possibly, North Korea. Karni had been in South Africa for 20 years after arriving from Israel. His time in South Africa coincided with the apartheid government's rapid development of its own (since disestablished) nuclear weapons program and very close military ties between South Africa and Israel.

As for Humayun Khan, the Los Angeles Times discovered that the Pakistani "businessman" had been involved in nuclear weapons smuggling since 1975 when he was engaged in business with a former Nazi named Alfred Hempel, who was the kingpin in a global nuclear smuggling network active throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Hempel died in 1989. In an interview aired by PBS's Frontline on July 26, Humayun Khan said he never realized Karni was Jewish, stating that the Israeli masqueraded as a Muslim. However, what is clear is that an Israeli-based network, involving key neo-conservatives in the Bush adminstration, were attempting to speed up the clock on the delivery by the A. Q. Khan network of prohibited nuclear material to countries like Iran, thereby justifying a pre-emptive U.S. (and Israeli-supported) attack on Iranian nuclear installations. It was this network that attracted the attention of the CIA and when it realized some of the "men behind the curtain" were in the Pentagon, they had their smoking gun evidence of double dealing by Bush administration officials and their compatriots in the Sharon government.

SNIP...

According to FBI insiders, wiretaps of phone calls in the Giza-Bilmen-Karni smuggling ring yielded the name Douglas Feith, the Undersecretary of Defense for Plans and Policy and one of Donald Rumsfelds chief advisers, and Turkish MIT intelligence members of the Turkish American Council. A Malaysian link was also discovered in Karnis network.

CONTINUED...

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com /



Read while we still can, DUers. Remember there's good reason the Busha Nostra is always talking about a mushroom cloud.


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:37 PM
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65. Recent history is like a blank for most people
It's sort of shocking how much I don't know or don't remember.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:09 PM
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78. When it comes to Busha Nostra, the more I find out, the less I know.
For instance, Cheney's pal, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan helped spread nukes to Iran, North Korea and Libya, among other places. Instead of stopping him, Cheney and the BFEE helped him.

Why? Money. Power. Plans.



Revealed: How to make a N-Bomb

The man wearing sack cloth and ashes to apologise before Pakistanis, Dr AQ Khan, is no "father figure." Wilson John unravels his role in a deadly blackmarket which thrived with official backing in Islamabad and more than a wink from Washington DC.


LET'S GO BACKWARDS

The least reported link in the otherwise raging controversy over Pakistan's nuclear proliferation happened on January 1, 2004, at the Denver International Airport, Colorado, USA. Asher Karni, 50, a Jewish businessman from South Africa, was snared in a sting operation launched by the US Commerce Department and other federal agencies. The allegation against him was that he was involved in selling 400 spark gaps to a firm in Pakistan run by an arms dealer. Spark gaps are electrical devices used in breaking kidney stones and in triggering nuclear detonations.

What had put the federal agencies on the trail of Karni was the elaborate subterfuge employed by him and the customer in camouflaging the deal. Karni owns Top-Cape Technology in Cape Town, South Africa, a firm dealing in military and aviation electronic equipment. Last year, he was contacted by Pakland PME (2nd Floor, Muhammadi Plaza, Jinnah Avenue, F-6/4, Blue Area, Islamabad) for buying spark gaps from Perkin Elmer Optoelectronics, Salem, Massachusetts. A sales brochure of Perkin Elmer describes spark gaps as useful "for in-flight functions such as rocket ignition, warhead detonation and missile stage separation." But Perkin Elmer told Karni that the sale would require a US license. Karni decided to adopt a more devious method. He subcontracted the deal. He asked Giza Technologies of Secaucus (600 Meadowlands Parkway, Suite 19 Secaucus, NJ 07094, US A) to buy 200 spark gaps from Perkin Elmer. He said the spark gaps were meant for a hospital in South Africa, the Chris Hani Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto. The spark gaps were received by Karni at South Africa who repackaged them and dispatched them to Pakland PME, Islamabad.

The deal wouldn't have attracted the attention of the intelligence agencies but for the antecedents of the owner of Pakland PME. It is owned by businessman Humayun Khan, known to be a regular supplier of military hardware to Pakistan military. Some of the emails intercepted by the agencies only confirm his linkages with the military establishment in Pakistan. These mails, produced in the US District Court, Columbia, where Karni's bail was decided early January, showed Khan discussing the possibility of buy infra-red sensors for jet fighters. The court affidavit said: "This case represents one of the most serious types of export violations imaginable. Karni has exported goods that are capable of detonating nuclear weapons to a person he knows has ties to the Pakistani military."

THE WORST KEPT SECRET

Karni is the latest link in the wide and expanding network of the nuclear blackmarket which has been exploited by Pakistan over the years to develop its nuclear weapons development programme which, incidentally, has not really been as secretive as is being made out by the western media. It was the Dwight Eisenhower's Atoms For Peace Programme in 1958 which gave Pakistan the impetus to embark on a nuclear development programme. The first light water research nuclear reactor was, in fact, set up with the help of the US. Pakistan was given a grant of $ 350,000 for the reactor. Though not much is known about the progress Pakistan made in the development of its nuclear programme, there is clear evidence that Pakistan had already begun tapping the nuclear blackmarket. This became evident in a secret note prepared by the US State Department a decade later. The note (since declassified) titled Pakistan and the Non Proliferation Issue pointed out that Pakistan was negotiating with the Belgians for a heavy water facility, with the Canadians for a fuel fabrication plant and with the French for a chemical separation plant. The note cautioned that these facilities would "give Pakistan a virtually independent nuclear fuel cycle and the opportunity to separate a sufficient amount of plutonium to build a nuclear weapon."

There is irrefutable evidence that Pakistan either tapped the nuclear blackmarket or persuaded governments to make illegal deals. Pakistan set up a number of shell companies, both at home and abroad, employed a network of agents and smugglers in Germany, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Canada and the United States to smuggle, steal and trans-ship dual purpose materials. Pakistan got a Canadian firm, Canadian General Electric Company, to complete the 137 MW CANDU power reactor for the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant in 1971. A British firm, British Nuclear Fuels, designed the plutonium separating facilities; a Belgian firm, Belgonucleaire, and a French corporation, Saint-Gobain Techniques Nouvelles, designed the pilot reprocessing facility called "New Labs" at PINSTECH. In 1976, under a highly secretive project code named 706, Pakistan bought components for centrifuges from the Netherlands; orders for 6,500 tubes of specially hardened steel were placed with Van Doome Transmissie. Other support components and subsystems were bought from Vakuum Apparat Technik (high vacuum valves) of Haag, Switzerland and Leybold Heraeus (gas purification equipment), Hanan, Germany. A year later, the British subsidiary of Emerson Electric sold 30 high frequency inverters to Pakistan for controlling centrifuge speeds.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variabl...



Houston. You've given us a problem.

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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:43 PM
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66. Some thing else for you...
http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/2003/07/ari-read-memo-on...


'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for July 21
Read the transcript to the Thursday show
...
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:22 AM
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69. INDEED! SO NOW WHAT...LET 'EM SLIP ON BY?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:18 PM
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80. Let's call the FBI. Oops. Sorry.
It'd be nice to have an honest FBI, let alone an honest Attorney General, on our side. Here's what we do know: FBI was warned by many of their own agents and they did nothing. Why?



FBI's Shifting Versions on Missed 9/11 Warnings

by Thomas Oliphant

EXCERPT...

That is a generic reason for remaining skeptical about FBI director Robert Mueller's tardy and modified mea culpa on the bureau's and his pre- and post-Sept. 11 behavior.

A more direct reason may be found in Colleen Rowley's remarkable letter of May 21, in which the Minneapolis field office's legal counsel notes with dry wit that this is the director's third public position on the FBI's relationship to the tragedy, not exactly a credibility booster.

The first line, she notes, emerged almost immediately after the attacks. The assertion was made that if only the FBI had some form of warning, it might have been able to take preventive action.

Rowley discloses in her letter that she and her colleagues at once began trying to reach his office in case he was unaware of the arrest and mishandling of the possible 20th hijacker, Zaccarias Moussaoui, in the weeks before the tragedy. When the public line kept getting repeated, she wrote, her office came to the ''sad realization that the remarks indicated someone, possibly with your approval, had decided to circle the wagons ... in an apparent effort to protect the FBI from embarrassment and the relevant FBI officials from scrutiny. Everything I have seen and heard about the FBI's official stance and the FBI's internal preparations in anticipation of further congressional inquiry had unfortunately confirmed my worst suspicions in this regard.''

As details about the bungling of the Moussaoui matter began to emerge, as well as the earlier report about ''Middle Eastern men'' at flight school around Phoenix, the story line changed. This spring, Mueller began claiming that even if the Phoenix tip had been acted on, and even if the French-Algerian terrorist's belongings and laptop hard drive had been searched, the attacks would almost certainly still have occurred on Sept. 11.

Rowley expressed surprise that the press never noticed the inherent contradiction between statement one and statement two, but of course this distinction has now been superseded by a fresh Mueller statement that the proper handling of the Minneapolis office's diligent work might indeed have lead to a breakthrough.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0602-04.htm



Me? I've tried warning people about Bushco since 1980. Maybe when we get an honest and free Press, I can do something more. Until then, I'll keep shouting.


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:53 PM
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81. Wow! Thanks, lady lib! Stanley Hilton sounds like a real American hero.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 10:09 PM by Octafish
Thanks for the heads-up. With all the criminality, treason and genocidal Nazism of the Bush Organized Crime Family, I'd forgotten what Dole's former aid had said, from your interview:

...I did my senior thesis on this very subject - how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.



Another part of the save-Rove cover story is not holding

David Corn
Thu Jul 28,10:40 AM ET
The Nation

Once the Plame/CIA leak became big (mainstream-media) news in September 2003--when word hit that the CIA had asked the Justice Department to investigate the leak, which had appeared in a Bob Novak column two months earlier--friends of the White House, including Novak, started saying that Valerie Wilson wasn't really under cover at the CIA and, thus, the disclosure of her employment at the CIA wasn't worth a federal case (or investigation). They claimed that no big wrong had occurred, and this argument also conveniently offered any leaker a legal defense. Under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, a government official can only be prosecuted for disclosing information identifying a "covert agent" whose cover the United States government was taking steps to protect. White House allies asserted that while Valerie Wilson may have technically been a clandestine CIA official, in practice she wasn't. So all this bother over the leak was much ado about nothing.

Novak, for example, downplayed Valerie Wilson's covert status in an October 1, 2003 column, in which he vaguely described how he had originally learned of her connection to the CIA. He noted that after a senior administration official told him that Joseph Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, he called the CIA:

At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson's wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name. I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission.

Bush-backers have cited this paragraph to argue that the CIA didn't do much to protect Valerie Wilson's cover. I've heard GOP lawyer Victoria Toensing, who helped draft the Intelligence Identities Act, claim that Novak's exchange with the CIA is proof that the CIA was not taking serious measures to preserve Wilson's cover--which means the law she helped concoct does not apply in the case of this leak.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=8...



Hey, lady lib! Here's a group of people who are doing something nice for people who give a damn:



EDIT: Forgot link. D'oh.

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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:44 AM
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71. Great job on this thread Octafish and everybody who has posted.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 01:46 AM by lady lib
This is the most fascinating thread I've ever read on DU.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:07 PM
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82. You're welcome, lady lib! And thanks to all DUers who give a damn!
Here's where Asher Karni, the guy referenced by Madsen today, came in:



Nuclear Blackmarket and Pakistan

Wilson John

The least reported link in the otherwise raging controversy over Pakistans nuclear proliferation happened on January 1, 2004, at the Denver International Airport. Asher Karni, 50, a Jewish businessman from South Africa, was snared in a sting operation launched by the US Commerce Department and other federal agencies. The allegation against him was that he was involved in selling 400 spark gaps to a firm in Pakistan run by an arms dealer. Spark gaps are electrical devices used in breaking kidney stones and in triggering nuclear detonations.

What had put the federal agencies on the trail of Karni was the elaborate subterfuge employed by him and the customer in camouflaging the deal. Karni owns Top-Cape Technology in Cape Town, South Africa, a firm dealing in military and aviation electronic equipment. Last year, he was contacted by Pakland PME (2nd Floor, Muhammadi Plaza, Jinnah Avenue, F-6/4, Blue Area, Islamabad) for buying spark gaps from PerkinElmer Optoelectronics, Salem, Massachusetts. A sales brochure of PerkinElmer describes spark gaps as useful ``for in-flight functions such as rocket ignition, warhead detonation and missile stage separation. But PerkinElmer told Karni that the sale would require a US licence. Karni decided to adopt a more devious method. He subcontracted the deal. He asked Giza Technologies of Secaucus (600 Meadowlands Parkway, Suite 19 Secaucus, NJ 07094, US A) to buy 200 spark gaps from PerkinElmer. He said the spark gaps were meant for a hospital in South Africa, Chris Hani Baragwanath Hospital, Soweto. The spark gaps were received by Karni at South Africa who repackaged them and dispatched them to Pakland PME, Islamabad.

The deal wouldnt have attracted the attention of the intelligence agencies but for the antecedents of the owner of Pakland PME. It is owned by businessman Humayun Khan, known to be a regular supplier of military hardware to Pakistan military. Some of the emails intercepted by the agencies only confirm his linkages with the military establishment in Pakistan. These mails, produced in the US District Court, Columbia, where Karnis bail was decided early January, showed Khan discussing the possibility of buy infra-red sensors for jet fighters. The court affidavit said: ``This case represents one of the most serious types of export violations imaginable. Karni has exported goods that are capable of detonating nuclear weapons to a person he knows has ties to the Pakistani military.

Karni is the latest link in the wide and expanding network of nuclear blackmarket which has been exploited by Pakistan over the years to develop its nuclear weapons development programme which, incidentally, has not really been as secretive as is being made out by the western media. It was the Dwight Eisenhowers Atoms For Peace Programme in 1958 which gave Pakistan the impetus to embark on a nuclear development programme. The first light water research nuclear reactor was, in fact, set up with the help of the US. Pakistan was given a grant of $3,50,000 for the reactor. Though not much is known about the progress Pakistan made in the development of its nuclear programme, there is clear evidence that Pakistan had already begun tapping the nuclear blackmarket. This became evident in a secret note prepared by the US State Department a decade later. The note (since declassified) titled Pakistan and the Non Proliferation Issue pointed out that Pakistan was negotiating with Belgians for a heavy water facility, with the Canadians for a fuel fabrication plant and with the French for a chemical separation plant. The note cautioned that these facilities would ``give Pakistan a virtually independent nuclear fuel cycle and the opportunity to separate a sufficient amount of plutonium to build a nuclear weapon.

There is irrefutable evidence that Pakistan either tapped the nuclear blackmarket or persuaded governments to make illegal deals Pakistan set up a number of shell companies, both within Pakistan and abroad, employed a network of agents and smugglers in Germany, France, Switzerland, Sweden, Canada and the United States to smuggle, steal and trans-ship dual purpose materials. Pakistan got a Canadian firm, Canadian General Electric Co., to complete the 137 MW CANDU power reactor for the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant in 1971. A British firm, British Nuclear Fuels, designed the plutonium separating facilities; a Belgian firm, Belgonucleaire and a French corporation, Saint-Gobain Techniques Nouvelles, designed the pilot reprocessing facility called the New Labs at PINSTECH. In 1976, under a highly secretive project codenamed 706, Pakistan bought components for centrifuges from the Netherlands; orders for 6500 tubes of specially hardened steel were placed with Van Doome Transmissie. Other support components and subsystems were bought from Vakuum Apparat Technik (high vacuum valves) of Haag, Switzerland and Leybold Heraeus ( gas purification equipment), Hanan, Germany. A year later, the British subsidiary of Emerson Electric sold 30 high frequency inverters to Pakistan for controlling centrifuge speeds.

CONTINUED...

http://www.observerindia.com/analysis/A109.htm



Most important: Thank you for the kind words. They are much appreciated, as is your Ghandi quote.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:34 PM
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73. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:21 PM
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83. The Bomb and Karl Rove
Turd Blossom and Libby and Cheney and Bush are all going to have to face up to the fact that they have helped spread nuclear weapons, endangering the national security of the United States. Only an enemy of the United States like a NAZI or hardcore commie would want that -- or a TRAITOR.



The Bomb and Karl Rove

by Jonathan Schell
Published on Thursday, July 28,2005 by TomDispatch
This article will appear in the upcoming issue of The Nation

Like every important government crisis, the outing of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame by the President's chief political adviser, deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, perhaps among others, must be seen in many contexts at once. (As all the world knows, Rove's aim was to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, who had publicly disproved the administration's claim that Iraq was buying uranium yellow-cake from Niger -- a key element in the Administration's justifications for the Iraq War.) Howard Fineman of Newsweek and Sidney Blumenthal of Salon point to the broader story of Rove's habitual practice of defending his political clients by smearing their competitors and detractors. Blumenthal titles his piece "Rove's War" and Fineman speaks of "The World According to Rove." Frank Rich of the New York Times, on the other hand, suggests that the most important war to look at is the one in Iraq. He says that the injustice to the Wilsons and even to the CIA is secondary: "The real crime here remains the sending of American men and women to Iraq on fictitious grounds." In other words, what's important is not the "war" but the war.

Surely, they are all right. It's true that the harm to the Wilsons cannot be compared to the deaths of thousands in the misbegotten conflict, but it's also true that the resolution of the scandal is likely to have a lasting impact on American politics, and even on the American system of government. Perhaps the most important political question is whether the Bush administration is to be held accountable for any of its actions, or whether it now enjoys complete impunity and a free field of action to do whatever it likes -- from waging war to designing and presiding over systems of torture to breaking domestic law. There are other contexts to consider, too.

If Rich is right that the scandal is really about the Iraq War, then we have to ask what the war was about. The administration's chief answer is weapons of mass destruction and, more particularly, nuclear weapons. The atomic signature is scrawled all over the scandal. It is present, of course, in the uranium the President falsely said Iraq was seeking from Niger. And Plame, as it turns out, worked for the CIA on proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. To defend its nuclear lies, the administration destroyed a (possible) source of nuclear truth. The smear campaign thus did double damage in the nuclear-weapon field: It propped up, however briefly, the erroneous justification for the war while shutting down authentic information on the broader problem. The nuclear issue popped up again in a State Department memo Colin Powell brought with him on Air Force One shortly after Wilson's op-ed piece appeared. It is now famous because it disclosed Plame's identity as Wilson's wife. Less noticed is that the bulk of the memo was devoted to rebutting the Niger uranium allegation. This must be one of the most rebutted claims in history. Before Wilson ever spoke up, it had been disproved by several government agencies; the director of the Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed ElBaradei; and, of course, the State Department. (As for Powell, in February 2003 he had told the UN Security Council, "My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.")

Whatever else the scandal is, it is also an episode in the six-decade history of the nuclear age. In the wake of the cold war, many people imagined that nuclear danger had disappeared. A decade of utter neglect followed. Then, in 1998, the Indian and Pakistani nuclear tests launched the two countries on a nuclear arms race. Soon other countries, including North Korea and Iran, were knocking at the door of the nuclear club. But it wasn't until 9/11 that the neglected peril reared up again in the public mind -- and returned to the center of policy. The fictional danger of an Iraqi bomb bursting in an American city was, of course, the chief justification for the war, but it was more than that. It was the linchpin of the broader policy of preventive military strikes -- necessary, the President said, to forestall the hostile states from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. In his words, "as a matter of common sense and self-defense, America will act against such emerging threats before they are fully formed."

At the root of the policy was a radical reconception of the way to stop proliferation. Hitherto, the policy had been to address it by negotiation and disarmament treaties. Now it was to be addressed by military force. The decade of neglect had led to the most severe collision of nuclear policy with nuclear reality since the Cuban missile crisis. The Iraq War was the result, though not the only one. While the U.S. military was looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, where there were none, it was in effect ignoring them in North Korea, which reportedly was either acquiring or expanding a nuclear arsenal, and in Iran, which was pressing forward down the nuclear path. It's worth recalling that the Vietnam War, too, was in part the product of misguided nuclear strategy. Policy-makers, well aware that they could not win a nuclear "general war" with the Soviet Union in the Central European theater, hoped instead to win a "limited war" with conventional arms on the "periphery." When it went wrong, the consequence was the Watergate crisis, born directly of Nixon's fury at antiwar protesters.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0728-24.htm



Yep. Deep doo-doo is right.



You're a real pal. Thanks for the big kick to the pants of the BFEE, oasis!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:36 AM
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85. Thank you Octafish, for doing the heavy lifting. Above post is red hot.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:00 AM
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86. Thanks, oasis. Really, I'm just Mr. Messenger.


Here's a worker bee...



KARL ROVE, MICHAEL LEDEEN SPIES PROCURED FORGED NIGER DOCUMENTS

Bellaciao
Friday29thJuly2005 (05h28) :

KARL ROVE and VARIOUS SPIES HE IS LINKED TO

Karl Roves only full-time foreign-policy advisor is Michael Ledeen, a rabid anti-Arab, pro-Israel activist. The FBI is investigating Ledeen for procuring forged documents (shown here) on nonexistent WMD, which George Bush used to justify his war on Iraq. When Joseph Wilson exposed the farce, Rove helped "out" Wilsons CIA wife. Did Ledeen procure the documents for Rove, and how might he have done that? The story includes multinational stool pigeon Rocco Martino, Italian spy Francesco Pazienza, wanted CIA spy Robert Seldon Lady, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, whos under charges of giving US secrets to Israel.

Karl Roves foreign-policy advisor, Michael Ledeen, proclaimed "the rightness of the fascist cause" in 1972. In 1984 he got George Bush Sr to appoint Iranian arms merchant and Iranian/Israeli double-agent Manucher Ghorbanifar as a middleman in the scandalous Iran-Contra affair. Ledeen has been a fixture in Washington and Israel ever since, advocating a modern version of the Crusades against Islamic nations. Based on what he has said and written, I believe Ledeen is insane.

Michael Ledeen, Roves "brain," is one of the leading advocates for a US attack on Iran. The Washington Post quoted Ledeen as saying that Rove told him, "Anytime you have a good idea, tell me." I guess that means we can look forward to the Bush team drumming up a war with Iran.

George Bush Jr., when he assumed the presidency in 2000, already knew that he was going to settle the family score with Saddam Hussein. His "brain," Rove, quickly enlisted Ledeen to trump up a causus belli.

EARLY 2000: ROCCO MARTINO AND THE FRENCH CONNECTION

Rocco Martino is a 66-year-old Italian gentleman SEE PHOTO who worked on and off for the Italian SISMI (analogous to the CIA) for many years and who also peddled the same information to various spy organizations and publications -- a convicted felon and international stool pigeon, just the kind of person Ledeens associates needed.

CONTINUED...

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256



Truly appreciate the kind words, oasis.

Thank you for helping keep me sane and moving forward.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:09 PM
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75. Yep - you said it!
That's why I believe they've stolen both Presidential elections - they need to stay unaccountable for their actions. Well, they will be held accountable, because their fraud would be obvious if the trend stays like it has!

Freepers who say we're powerless obviously aren't looking at the polls. They are scared - plain and simple.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:19 AM
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87. With each new revelation, polls get worse for Smirk.
That's why the guy wants to make everything Top Secret -- from releasing pretzeldental papers to trials for the Gitmo generation. Well, there is ONE thing he doesn't consider secret, the identity of the CIA agent and her company which worked to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.



CIA Analyst Roasts Bush

By Nicholas F. Benton

Ray McGovern, a 27-year analyst for the CIA speaking in Falls Church, Virginia, to a gathering of the Virginia Votes group Sunday, unleashed a scathing indictment of the Bushs administrations handling of an array of intelligence, military and human rights matters in the context of the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. He said the people that are currently running U.S. foreign and military policy were affectionately known as The Crazies during the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations, and were kept at arms length, never permitted to rise above middle management levels of influence because of their radical proclivities. However, with the election of the current Bush, they took over all the top positions.

McGovern and his colleagues in the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity held a press conference in D.C. last Friday to brief the media on the implications for the lives and safety of U.S. anti-terror intelligence assets worldwide of Bush advisor Karl Roves blowing the cover of an undercover CIA agent, Valerie Plame. Roves action was done in order to get even with Plames husband, Ambassador Joe Wilson, for exposing the administrations lie about Iraqs nuclear capabilities prior to the invasion. We wanted to tell the media how many people might get killed, he said. It was in the context of that briefing that former CIA analyst Larry Johnson was invited to give the Democratic response to the presidents weekly radio address Saturday.

In Falls Church Sunday, McGovern said his group is nearing the conclusion of an independent investigation of the source of what is widely held to be a forged document attributed to the government of Niger in 2001. The document indicated there was a deal to deliver yellow cake uranium to Iraq. He said indications already point to the fact that the forgery was produced in the U.S., perhaps from among circles of former U.S. government officials that were involved in the Iran-Contra scandals of the 1980s. He said some damning evidence and conclusions could be made public within a few months. It was an inside job, he charged, arising in the aftermath of the sudden assertion on August 26, 2002 by Vice President Cheney that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons along with its other phantom so-called weapons of mass destruction. That speech was the first call to arms that led to the invasion of Iraq the following March.

Then CIA Director George Tenet told his analysts, McGovern said, that the White House did not want any intelligence estimate of Iraq, but when Congressional pressure arose, he told them to do an estimate that agreed with Cheneys claims. Thus, we got the worst intelligence estimate in U.S. history. It was demonstrably false, matched only by the CIA assessment in 1962 that there were no Soviet missiles in Cuba. But that was an honest mistake, McGovern said. This one was dishonest from the get-go.

SNIP...

We have a war criminal as president, McGovern exclaimed, noting that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had advised him it was OK to violate the Geneva Convention and the War Crimes Act by permitting the systematic torture of detainees.

CONTINUED...

http://www.fcnp.com/521/benton.htm



Keep spreading the Truth, mvd. Once the average American finds out what kind of gangsters are using their children, life savings and nation for, and those freepers won't be heading for the hills, they'll be grabbing their torches and pitchforks.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:40 PM
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76. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:03 AM
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88. Politicians support reappointment of Attorney Fitzgerald
Thanks, oasis!



Here's some hope out of Chicago:



Politicians support reappointment of Attorney Fitzgerald

BY JOHN CHASE
Chicago Tribune

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Former U.S. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald said Wednesday he believes there is mounting political pressure to oppose the reappointment of U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald this fall, given his aggressive prosecution of government corruption in Illinois.

The former senator questioned whether House Speaker Dennis Hastert, the state's top Republican, would support the prosecutor when President Bush decides whether to extend his term in Chicago.

But Hastert, who often battled with Sen. Fitzgerald while the two Republicans served together in Congress, quickly shot down the ex-senator's claims. Hastert's office said the decision rests entirely with President Bush and Hastert has no role whatsoever in whether the prosecutor keeps his job.

Fitzgerald was the state's Republican U.S. senator in 2001 when he went outside Illinois' political and legal circles to recommend Patrick Fitzgerald, who was then a federal prosecutor in New York. Peter Fitzgerald contends that the subsequent indictment of former GOP Gov. George Ryan and the federal investigation of Mayor Richard Daley's City Hall have angered powerful politicians in both parties. The Fitzgeralds are not related.

SNIP...

"But I'm beginning to sense that a lot of people, a lot of criminals, may hope that October brings them a new U.S. attorney in Chicago, one perhaps a little bit more malleable and acceptable to influence from leading Republicans and leading Democrats."

CONTINUED...

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packa...



Nice hair won't cover up an ugly nature.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:23 PM
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84. Anyone who has the patience to put this together is a true American hero!
A thousand Huzzas, Octafish!!! I'm going to be watching for your threads.

Note to self: Read Octafish! Read Octafish! Read Octafish!!!

:applause:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:13 AM
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89. Thanks, Seabiscuit! Here's a list of a few my faves...
... not me, but the subject matters are worth knowing, like the Bush Family Evil Empire:



Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Poppys CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Hitlers Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: James R Bath Bush bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


This ones not labeled Know Your BFEE, but its meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



Gandalf, the great DUer, has created a blog with the above:

http://knowyourbfee.blogspot.com /


DrDebug, the great DUer, has archived the above onto DU's Demopedia.

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Kn...


Background on Bush Family Evil Empire

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/BF...


Thanks to you, too, Seabiscuit. You have no idea how much your words mean to me. I'm proud to be your friend.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 09:25 AM
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93. A big thank you and many hugs and kisses for all the info.
You guys are all the best of the best!

I'd be insane without you.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:25 AM
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95. Wow! Thanks, Octafish! This will keep me busy for awhile. :)
:wow:

:applause:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 04:31 PM
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97. Those that buck the "rule of law" are dictators, period.
These people not only "finger" the rule of law, they seek to exploit others with their positions.

They respect NOTHING associated with democracy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:02 PM
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99. The crux of the biscuit: "If they don't respect Democracy abroad...?"
..."How can they be expected to respect Democracy at home?"

The Bush regime and its stooges are the public face of a most onerous group of powerful and wealthy individuals, organizations and interests. These have no loyalty to the United States, its Constitution or We the People. That's why they steal elections and kill politicians who oppose them.



Oil and Democracy Dont Mix

Bush administration policies guarantee a constant flow, no matter what the human cost


By Frida Berrigan

At a 1996 energy conference in New Orleans, Dick Cheney, then CEO of Halliburton said, The problem is that the good Lord didnt see fit to put oil and gas reserves where there are democratic governments.

Laying the blame on the divine is a stretch, but it seems that the vice president is right: democracy and oil do not mix. Just look at the United States top 10 oil suppliers. Algeria, Angola, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia are repressive regimes with deplorable human rights records. Mexico and Venezuela, while democracies, are marked by instability, inequality and civil strife. Iraq remains at war and under occupation. Only Norway, Canada and the United Kingdom are fully functioning democracies.

Why dont oil and democracy mix? At least part of the answer can be found in Washingtons policy of providing military aid and training to leaders who guarantee an uninterrupted flow of oil, defending it against all threatseven those coming from their own citizens.

Since the beginning of the war on terrorism in 2001, the United States top 10 sources of oil imports have experienced a 350 percent increase in U.S. military aid and training. In 2003, the United States plans to provide these countries with $58 million in military assistance. In fiscal year 2001, their military assistance totaled $12.2 million.

A large part of the increase is explained by Washingtons rewarding of regimes like Algeria and Nigeria for their ability to cloak domestic repression in the rhetoric of the war on terrorism. As the United States looks ahead to a never ending war on terrorism and growing dependence on foreign oil, this dynamic will become increasingly common.

Africa accounts for 16 percent of U.S. oil imports, and the National Intelligence Council predicts an increase to 25 percent by 2015. Hunger for this oil, combined with the need to collect allies in the war on terrorism, led the Bush administration to adopt a see no evil position toward human rights problems and inequality in the continents oil-rich nations.

CONTINUED...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/oil_and_d... /



For a Bush and his supporters, oil is thicker than loyalty to one's country.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:09 PM
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102. Kick
:kick:
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sintax Donating Member (891 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:17 PM
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114. It's all there
including some damn fancy photos.

James Baker-John Negroponte-Scooter Libby-Frank Carlucci-Donald Rumsfeld-Dick Cheney- Eliot Abrams- Paul Wolfowitz- Jeb Bush

These are some of the folks that pull the strings for the higher forces of evil that run the Mafia known as Amerika.

Bookmarked
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