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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:26 PM
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Holy CRAP! ABC News is reporting bombers linked to last years arrests!!!
This may be as big or bigger than the Plame/Rove leak... It may well be likely that last week's London bombings may have been prevented had the Bush Administration not leaked the name of a "flipped" al Qaeda operative in 2004.

I'll keep it short since I'm still trying to do some research, but am thinking some of you are likely much more well informed. Education would be appreciated.

ABC News (Thursday's World News Tonight) just reported that the London bombers have been linked to Naeem Noor Khan and the 12 men arrested in Britain last year -- who were arrested prematurely due to the Bush Administration's leaking the name of Khan, in a C-Y-A move over a threat-level increase during the 2004 US Presidential campaign.

See this excellent link from Juan Cole, detailing last year's related events...
(There's no ABCNews online story yet, conveying the report. I'll upload the video if nothing else becomes available.)

Please help me find more info.

Links...
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:27 PM
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1. OMG. The Bush Administration is going to kill us all.
Jeez.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #1
90. With a little help from their friends. ISI connectioins to any of this ?
See

www.fas.org/irp/world/pakistan/isi/

BTW, BCCI was a connection that never publicly broke with our intelligence agencies.
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:02 PM
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158. yeah, one way or another n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:27 PM
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2. Bushistas have the touch.
They fuck up everything they touch.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:26 PM
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147. They fuck it up on purpose sometimes. I think they messed up this
situation to prevent it being linked to AQ Khan in Pakistan, someone Cheney has surely done business with. That's the rumor anyway.

So many acts of treason, corruption, and destructiveness to keep track of no?
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:01 AM
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175. If I remember correctly, AQ Khan is the guy with the "nuclear Wal-Mart"
that ElBaradei talked about. I don't know about Cheney, but there just have to be links with the Bush administration they don't want us finding out about. Absolutely nothing would surprise me about these people.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:30 PM
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3. This Is Big, If Verified. However, Since The News Has Reported It-
let's just trumpet this for all it's worth!
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:30 PM
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4. Unbelievable (nt)
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 06:31 PM by CantGetFooledAgain
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:08 PM
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132. Americablog has a long entry on this, with links
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 PM by Carla in Ca
<http://americablog.blogspot.com />

snip...

The NYT reported on August 17, 2004 that Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge announced on August 1, 2004 that we had information about an "unusually specific" threat against "the New York Stock Exchange and Citigroup in Manhattan, Prudential's headquarters in Newark and the headquarters buildings of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank in Washington."

We now know that this threat info came from Mr. Khan's computer that we got our hands on only weeks before. As a result of the heightened security alert, somehow the media got a hold of Mr. Khan's name and made it public. The Americans say it was Pakistani officials who leaked Khan's name. Pakistan says it was the Americans. But as Juan Cole notes:
had Ridge not made his announcement, the press would have had no occasion to go searching for the source of his information.




My God, I'm speechless right now. I'm going to go through all of this tonight.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #132
169. Great analysis at Americablog; thanks..! (direct, permalink)
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 12:48 AM by krkaufman
Here's a direct "permalink" to the Americablog analysis on tonight's ABC News story (7/14) on the London bombings and its connection to Naaem Noor Khan, with excellent commentary on the effect of Khan's outing last year.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/07/bush-admin-may-...

Very good analysis, and doesn't go beyond the facts. Excellent info on which to base one's arguments.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:30 PM
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5. OMG -- is this the guy whose name they leaked around RNC convention?
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 06:31 PM by LSparkle
They said they wanted a "big fish" around the RNC convention and then suddenly this guy's in custody -- and I heard the Brits were pissed about the leak. This is HUGE.

Oh yeah, they're the STRONG party on national defense, the ONLY ONES who can effectively fight the "global war on terrorism."

Any of you Kool-Aid drinkers want to take your votes back?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:33 PM
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11. YES, at least I 90% sure. That's what I'm trying to confirm.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
25. GOP: Party before country every time
they are nothing less than TRAITORS.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #25
159. YOU KNOW IT LORIEN
THAT IS EXACTLY IT
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:55 PM
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29. Not sure if Naaem Noor Khan wasn't the name leaked...
... to justify the threat-level increase around the time of the DNC.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:36 PM
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60. yep..
U.S. leak 'harms al Qaeda sting'

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- The effort by U.S. officials to justify raising the terror alert level last week may have shut down an important source of information that has already led to a series of al Qaeda arrests, Pakistani intelligence sources have said.

Until U.S. officials leaked the arrest of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan to reporters, Pakistan had been using him in a sting operation to track down al Qaeda operatives around the world, the sources said.

In background briefings with journalists last week, unnamed U.S. government officials said it was the capture of Khan that provided the information that led Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to announce a higher terror alert level.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/terror.wrap...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:32 PM
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102. That's it. Thanks. Here's the Naaem Noor Khan timeline
The Khan timeline:

Best bits, IMO, from the CNN article you referenced...

    Until U.S. officials leaked the arrest of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan to reporters, Pakistan had been using him in a sting operation to track down al Qaeda operatives around the world, the sources said.

    In background briefings with journalists last week, unnamed U.S. government officials said it was the capture of Khan that provided the information that led Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to announce a higher terror alert level.

    ...

    Then on Friday, after Khan's name was revealed, government sources told CNN that counterterrorism officials had seen a drop in intercepted communications among suspected terrorists.

    ...

    Sen. Charles Schumer said he was "troubled" by the decision to identify Khan.

    He said the public learned little from reports of Khan's role, "and it seems to me they shouldn't have put this name out."

    "The Pakistani interior minister, Faisal Hayat, as well as the British home secretary, David Blunkett, have expressed displeasure in fairly severe terms that Khan's name was released, because they were trying to track down other contacts of his," Schumer told CNN.





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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #29
115. yes, that was him - time for a follow-up to my LTTE from last year
Somebody pointed it out last week on either Talking Points or Daily Kos, too...

Time for a follow-up to my LTTE published in the Hartford Courant last year comparing the Bush Administration's outing of Khan to the Keystone Kops fighting terrorism.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #115
133. Right. But last week it was discussion and theory.
It's now been reported that there *IS* a link to the groups Khan had infiltrated.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #133
134. thanks for the great timeline, by the way
I used some of your links for reference in my LTTE.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #134
141. No prob. That's the goal. n/t
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #133
239. self delete
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 12:03 AM by Carla in Ca
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:31 PM
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6. Is it just me
or is everything coming out and tumbling out against Bush?
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:06 PM
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131. Until this week,
I've squashed any optimism I've felt that this administration would get their just desserts, but I'm starting to feel that maybe we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

xx crosses fingers xx
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #6
160. Everything was going against * in the weeks before the election, too;
didn't matter though, since the elections were rigged.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #160
179. everything was going against bush just before 9/11, too
:scared:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:31 PM
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7. let's see how long the GOP continues to carry Bush's water
especially with Rove so weakened recently.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:31 PM
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8. Damn. That is heavy news.
Yessir, * will keep us safe... :sarcasm:


shit shit shit...why couldn't the sheeple see this last year? Why couldn't enough see the light so that even with election irregularities * would have lost...shit shit shit shit...how many more must die?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:33 PM
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9. this could EASILY be Rove again
especially if it involved the 2004 election.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:33 PM
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10. Someone else speculated about this here a few days ago...
I'll look for a link...

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:33 PM
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12. Recommended!
This is definitely worth researching. Great find krkaufman!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:01 PM
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30. 20 votes. How come I don't see it on the Greatest page?
This needs to be blasted loud and clear!

BTW, it wouldn't surprise me if Cheney was the leak, since he's been in bed with Pakistan since he was Secretary of Defense in 1989:

On the Nuclear Edge
by Seymour M. Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/content/?040119fr_arch...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. I'm wondering the same thing.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 07:07 PM by beam me up scottie
:wtf:
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. I guess it's the same kind of policy decision as occurred with
some previous threads?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. No, there's all kinds of crap on there.
I just checked, there's plenty of posts with just opinions, this has verifiable links.

I don't get it.

I pm'd a mod, I'll do it again, this is important, it needs to get out there.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #40
48. Yes, this is potentially very important (n/t)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:34 PM
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13. Yeah, I remember this.
As usual, it was never picked up here but our allies were extremely pissed about this.

And this is exactly why they had every right to be.

The agents had no time to stop many of the operatives before they scattered.

People died because of this and it was done so that bushco could show americans that their fear-mongering was justified.

This is big, thanks for posting it.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:34 PM
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14. So what will the RNC/Rove talking points be on this?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. "It's an ongoing investigation, no comment" nt
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. democrats responded to 9/11 by offering therapy
republicans responded by outing CIA agents and fucking up investigations of terrorists.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:50 PM
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26. ZING!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #17
214. Really. Now why would one want to obstruct an investigation?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
54. It is clenis' fault
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #14
202. nice meditation gif - thanx :-)
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:36 PM
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16. Wow My LTTE pondered this
and asked if the London bombings could of been prevented
had plame's network of intelligence assets had not been
destroyed.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #16
39. Well, it wasn't the Plame network....
... but that was a darn good guess.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:40 PM
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18. Recommended. Much much much more important than
all of the coincidences that are being discussed ad nauseum.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:41 PM
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19. Here's a Washington Post article on Khan from Aug/04
Terrorism Suspect Had U.S. Ship Data
British Subject Accused of Trying To Aid Taliban

snip

Babar Ahmad, who possessed three-year-old documents detailing the routes and vulnerabilities of the USS Constellation, which was then operating in the Straits of Hormuz, is the cousin of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, a key figure in the recent arrests of alleged terrorist plotters, U.S. intelligence officials said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45141-20...
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:42 PM
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20. any video?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #20
42. I'll upload the video, if I can get it converted. Check back later. n/t
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:44 PM
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21. Talking about it on AAR now!
Tell it Sam! :yourock:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
46. Yeah, that was me calling in to Majority Report
Sam was all over it; though I don't think he got the reason correct for the leaking Naaem Noor Khan's name.

He also went on so much that I couldn't highlight the parallel between the Plame/Rove leak and the Khan naming... that is...

.. this Administration is continually sacrificing national security for short-term political gain.

Some examples...

  • Valerie Plame leak (to taint Joe Wilson's creds)
  • Naaem Noor Khan naming (CYA for threat increase)
  • Continual security threat-level manipulation during 2004 US Presidential campaign (for obvious reasons)
  • Ignoring bin Laden/terrorism threat pre-9/11 ('cause it didn't fit in their plans)

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
57. You TOTALLY ROCK, krk !!!
:applause:
:woohoo:
:patriot:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #46
61. BINGO! It's all part of a misadministration pattern.
We need to clusterfuck their asses over ALL of these scandals!

Good going with that phone call. We all need to follow your example on that.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #46
68. That was a great call! Bravo!
Sam gets going don't he lol

This is going to all come out in a torrent.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #68
106. He sure does!!
I've listened to AAR enough, though, to not want to be some ranting caller talking over the host kind enough to give me some air time.

He *was* pretty well-informed, albeit not exactly on the mark. ('gist was spot-on)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #46
82. Khalid Sheik Mohammed went to NC Ag&Mech, one of the London bombers
went to NC State. What is going on with this ? The London guy was 'sponsored' by Egypt; who 'sponsored' this guy's visa while he was in the US ? You'd think the guys over by Camp Lejune would be a little curious don't you ?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #46
92. 66 votes for greatest krkaufman ! You're setting a record man !
And administering a serious load of whoop-ass on the neocon-neanderthals running this country. Thanks for the great links and post.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:45 PM
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22. If this turns out to be true, it's huge.
The fact that it was already on network news is not a good sign for bush and crew.

Nominated
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:45 PM
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23. I believe Mike Webb was speculating on this the other day...
someone should call in tonight...he may be interested. I'll try but not sure I can stay up that late (I am in the EDT zone.)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:47 PM
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24. The BFEE is getting sloppy.
I bet they throw Rove to the wolves and blame it all on him.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:50 PM
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27. Here are some current links from reliable sources:
From Pakistan Daily Times 8/8/04
How the Pakistani double agent was burned by the US
By Khalid Hasan:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_8-8...

---
CNN spin from last year:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/terror.wrap /

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Wikipedia reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Naeem_Noor_Khan

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Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan Investigation Petition to Senator Charles E. Schumer:
http://www.petitiononline.com/noorkhan/petition.html

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 06:51 PM
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28. Couple that news with the Reid ammendment vote
and they are starting to look pretty bad from any angle. Hubris and partisanship on full display.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:05 PM
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31. Here's Brian Ross' story on the links, from the 7/14 ABC World News
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 07:07 PM by krkaufman
London Bombers Tied to Al Qaeda Plot in Pakistan
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/LondonBlasts/story?id=940198&...

    Connection to Al Qaeda Plot in Pakistan

    Officials tell ABC News the London bombers have been connected to an al Qaeda plot planned two years ago in the Pakistani city of Lahore.

    The laptop computer of Naeem Noor Khan, a captured al Qaeda leader, contained plans for a coordinated series of attacks on the London subway system, as well as on financial buildings in both New York and Washington.

    ...

    At the time, authorities thought they had foiled the London subway plot by arresting more than a dozen young Britons of Pakistani descent last August in Luton, a city known for its ties to terrorism.

    ...

    Security officials tell ABC News they have discovered links between the eldest of the London bombers, Mohammed Sadique Khan, 30, and the original group in Luton. Officials also believe it was not a coincidence the subway bombers all met at the Luton train station last week.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. RECOMMENDED!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. SNiP:
*****************
Connection to Al Qaeda Plot in Pakistan

Officials tell ABC News the London bombers have been connected to an al Qaeda plot planned two years ago in the Pakistani city of Lahore.

The laptop computer of Naeem Noor Khan, a captured al Qaeda leader, contained plans for a coordinated series of attacks on the London subway system, as well as on financial buildings in both New York and Washington.

"There's absolutely no doubt he was part of an al Qaeda operation aimed at not only the United States but Great Britain," explained Alexis Debat, a former official in the French Defense Ministry who is now a senior terrorism consultant for ABC News.

At the time, authorities thought they had foiled the London subway plot by arresting more than a dozen young Britons of Pakistani descent last August in Luton, a city known for its ties to terrorism.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #31
44. Fantastic find! I just posted this in LBR.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

This is HUGE! HUGE! HUGE!

LET'S HANG THE TRAITORS!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. Yes ! And the MSM won't be able to ignore this
story this time around.

If this is true, we've got them !
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #31
49. crossposting link in LBN
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lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:07 PM
Response to Original message
33. AP link touching on this
ABC News, citing unidentified officials, reported that the attacks were connected to an al-Qaida plot planned two years ago in Lahore, Pakistan. Names on a computer that authorities seized last year from Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, an alleged Pakistani computer expert for al-Qaida, matched a suspected cell of young Britons of Pakistani origin, most of whom lived near Luton, where the alleged suicide bombers met up on their way to London shortly before last week's blasts, according to the report.

Authorities have now discovered ties between Mohammed Sidique Khan - one of the July 7 bombers - and members of that cell who were arrested last year, ABC said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-514...
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. just added it to my earlier link in LBN
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
34. I have to admit I'm uneducated in this matter. Explain to me like I'm a
six-year-old...

What happened?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #34
53. short version-
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. What does this mean?
"Based on this story, it appears that the United States government is not primarily to blame for the Khan leak."
One of the last lines of the Wikipedia article.

So the US GOV is not responsible? So why is it a big deal? I'm new to this case. Trying to learn the facts.
If someone can please explain.
Thanks.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #59
64. I'm sorry, Wikipedia is not the best
source, I'm sure the info was disputed.

Try this one from CNN last year:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/terror.wrap...
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #64
71. Thanks for the CNN link
It's been a busy week. I've been doing a lot of reading just trying to keep up!! :hi:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. I know. So much of it was the same info
just reported over and over again.
It's exhausting.

Oh, and you're very welcome ! :hi:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #74
84. I'm just trying to keep up
with all the news events of the past week. I think I'm going to start a journal and write down all the big news stories of the day.

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #84
103. I'm trying to think of a good site that
just lists the headlines for the week so that you can wade through them easier.

I use the BBC as my main news source. I killed my tv and their news feed is 24/7 and it's REAL news from all over the world.

Here's the main website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/default.stm

Their Americas page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/default.stm

BBC TV:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv /

and BBC Radio News and Current Affairs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://w...

I'm an addict, if you can't tell, but I'm never disappointed with their coverage.
It's intelligent and objective, news the way it should be.


(gad, I sound like a commercial, I need a drink)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #103
108. Thanks for these links.
Let me buy you a drink. What will it be? :toast:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #108
118. Sigh...
I'm in the South temporarily, a fresh Labatts Blue Light would be great !

Or a gin and tonic, I'm easy !

Thanks !
:toast:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #108
140. How about this for a summation?
Last summer, on August 1, 2004, the Bush Admin raised the terror alert, I think they even got specific about certain financial institutions in NYC and all that. It was quickly discovered that the alert was based on 3 year old information... even our complacent media called them on that BS. I remember Will Pitt's article pretty well here on DU.

However, to Cover their Asses, the Bush Admin said they got the information from the aforementioned Mohammed Naaem Noor Khan and it wasn't all 3 year old info.

Khan was really a double-agent who had infiltrated very high levels of Al Qaeda and his outing caused outrage among British & Pakistani intelligence people. The Brits had to arrest several suspected Al Qaeda prematurely... some escaped and others went further underground.

Now, it seems, the suicide bombers from last week had ties to Khan... so, if he had not been outed, the bombers likely would have been caught.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #140
149. Excellent.
NT
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #140
178. That does help quite a bit
So when will the rest of corporate media catch up to this?

That does tie into the bush administrations attempt to make themselves look good...too bad it cost so many damn lives in the process :grr:
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #140
200. Probably explains Blair's reluctance to investigate the bombings
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #103
206. hi scottie, thanks for these links.
I need the help to get the wheat from the chaff too---
and I don't watch TV, nor do I read the one piece of crap newspaper that we have out here; really I only get my info from DU (and there's alot to sift through here too).

These links are good to have.

:hi:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #206
209. You're welcome and
I have one more:
http://www.neuralgourmet.com/brainsnacks

Glad I could help, I'm a firm believer in boycotting cable tv news and newspapers that are owned by corporations.

The fact that governments are continuously angered by BBC coverage and want to bring them under their control is reason enough to pay attention to their reports.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #64
116. Right. Facts aren't entirely clear...
... but no one has ever fully investigated the leak.

I'm not looking to immediately hang the Admin, but *DO* want the news media to get to the bottom of this connection.

What primarily makes me suspect the info was leaked by the US Admin is the fact that British and Pakistani intelligence complained of the release of Khan's name.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #53
70. Ohhhh...shit.
Yeah.

Yeah.

I remember that....and now, some of those that they let go...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #70
78. Exactly.
They tried to weasel out of it after the fact but Rice herself came out and said they leaked this.

And if they had never tried to validate their hokey terra alert during the RNC, this would never have been leaked to begin with.

This was even more despicable than the Plame leak.
They had TURNED this guy, they were monitoring the operatives in the UK, they would have HAD them.
Except our admin finked on him to keep the bush cartel in power.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #78
117. FYI... Khan was outed to justify the Aug 1 post-DNC terra alert
Reporters thought the terror alert timing was mighty fishy, so the Admin leaked the name as CYA -- ignoring the effects on the ongoing infiltration of al Qaeda.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #117
121. oops.
My bad.
Thanks !
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #34
56. I'm in your boat, BGL
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:13 PM
Response to Original message
38. 28 votes and not on the GREATEST page????
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Must be the server, the story still stands so far.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. Please
Pm a mod, I've been doing it !

We have a reliable source, for pete's sake.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
58. 34 votes now, which means it should be showing as the Most Popular thread
on the Greatest page ... but no show at all?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #58
67. I couldn't find any rule against posting
this thread.

Again, :wtf: mods ?
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
45. That damnable president turns everything he touches to shit!
:grr:
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:27 PM
Response to Original message
51. Ah man.... this is just incredible.
Brits MUST BLAST this administration.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:27 PM
Response to Original message
52. This has the potential to be huge.
Approval ratings for the TransAtlantic Alliance are already tanking here this week, this might smash Blair out of it.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. Oh, man, Tax,
if this pans out...
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #55
62. We need so much more info to understand this.
I want the ABC link.

This might finish Blair. I wonder what it could do to Bush.

(For the record, I hope this isn't true. A lot of Britons are very, very angry with the United States right now and the TransAtlantic Alliance is in peril. This would kill it. Fox News have already done their best.)
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. here's the ABC link
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. If it brings down this administration,
I think we can begin to repair all of the damage done in the past few years.
But, if it is true and the cabal remains untouched by it, then I'm afraid you're probably right.
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Bravo411 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:40 PM
Response to Original message
63. Great post...
I'll have to do some research on it later.
It's not surprising that Bush & Co. would do something for political gain even if it meant that later down the road it would put peoples lives in danger. These people are criminals and killers.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:47 PM
Response to Original message
69. Found This:
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 07:49 PM by WillyT
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
4:36:00 PM EDT
New developments on the Khan leak

Link: http://journals.aol.com/bmiller224/OldHickorysWeblog/en...

:shrug:

Onedit (Plus these): http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=british+angry+...

:hi:

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. Here's a great snip from your link.
It is strange that the National Security Advisor would confirm that an administration official leaked the name if they hadn't. Whoever leaked the name first, the leak forced the hand of the British in an anti-terror operation they had underway, forcing them to move on arrests before they had the case fully prepared for fear that Khan's contacts among them would scatter once they knew he was a double-agent. Cole also adds a wrinkle I hadn't noticed before:

When the British made their arrest, the Bush administration announced that among those captured was Abu Eisa al-Hindi, also known as Abu Musa al-Hindi (both are noms de guerre).

The British, especially MI5 and Home Secretary David Blunkett, had not wanted his name made public, and were furious at all of the detailed information being given out to the public by the Bush administration or in consequence of its revelations.

Not knowing the particulars of that case, I have no way of knowing whether the British criticism is justified. So far, the Bush administration has caused far more problems by excessive secrecy than by too much openness. But in instances like the Valerie Plame case and the much more serious leak of signals-intelligence-related information to Ahmed Chalabi, they've been downright reckless in letting secrets out that should have been kept.



So Condi, who leaked to you? Any further comment?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. Damn... It's All Over The Place Now !!!
Link: http://news.google.com/news?q=abc+news&hl=en&lr=&tab=wn...

Way ta go!!!!

Recommended and :kick: ed!!!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:53 PM
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72. "British say US gave terror suspects a heads up."
*****************
From The Christian Science Monitor
World > Europe
from the August 19, 2004 edition
By Mark Rice-Oxley |


But intelligence experts say that privately there is great concern that the operation was jeopardized by US public pronouncements that were made before the British suspects were even apprehended.

"For reasons not so far satisfactorily explained, the US authorities decided to broadcast specific intelligence material upon which they must have known a vitally important future UK arrest operation would be based," says Charles Shoebridge, a former British counterterrorism intelligence officer now based in London.

"The broadcast would have inevitably compromised that operation and by implication the actual security of the United States itself."

The broadcast was made on August 1 by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, two days before the Britons were arrested. Mr. Ridge said the intelligence from Pakistan indicated that Al Qaeda was targeting several buildings including the IMF and World Bank, Prudential Financial in New Jersey, and Citigroup and the NYSE in New York.
**************
full article here:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0819/p07s01-woeu.html
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:56 PM
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76. International Herald Tribune Link
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. Excellent !
nt
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #76
176. Hmmm... the IHT story refers to a link w/ arrests in March 2004...
... but the ABC News story referred to connections to Naaem Noor Khan and related arrests, which occurred in August 2004.

Confusing. (Though it's not impossible that they're all linked.)
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 07:57 PM
Response to Original message
77. KTLA/LA Times Link
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 07:58 PM by Tommymac
http://ktla.trb.com/news/nationworld/world/ktla-fg-brit...

Britain Sees More Links to Al Qaeda

One bombing suspect knew alleged extremists arrested last year in a foiled plot, officials say.

By Sebastian Rotella
Times Staff Writer

July 14, 2005

LONDON -- Investigators have linked one of the suspected London suicide bombers to a group of alleged extremists arrested here last year in a foiled terrorist plot by a Pakistan-based Al Qaeda group, authorities said Wednesday.

Mohamed Sidique Khan, a 30-year-old primary school teacher, has emerged as a key figure among the four suspected bombers, European and U.S. investigators said. Although officials had said that Khan and the other three were unknown to security personnel before last week's attack, investigators now think Khan was an associate of some of those arrested in last year's plot.

That strengthens suspicions that the London attacks were carried out by an Al Qaeda branch that teamed Pakistani masterminds with Pakistani British operatives and had tried to strike Britain before, investigators said.
...
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:02 PM
Response to Original message
79. So ...
Did the Bushies screw up or was there some reason that they didn't want the Brits to be successful?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #79
87. They leaked it to justify
their hokey "terra alert" during the RNC.

Remember Ridge's feet being held to the fire because he had no new information when he raised the alert level ?

So they pulled this out of their hat without so much as informing the Brits so that they could scoop up the operatives before they left the country.

It's WAY worse than screwing up, they did it to stay in power.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #87
93. Ah, so they didn't screw up, they screwed over ... the Brits!
They really don't give a damn about terrorism or national security!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #93
107. And if this is true,
look how many more lives were destroyed for greed and lust for power.
Maybe americans will care if white people died for no reason, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of brown people sure don't seem to matter to most.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #79
181. You obviously are not the least bit batty.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #79
215. My guess is the Bush Crime Family has deep ties financially and
otherwise to these terrorist groups, therefore they need to obstruct investigations. They have done it over and over again. I am certain they are arming and funding them. It is how the military-industrial complex survives.

If it were just for the convention, they could have made something up like they usually do...the BushBots would have accepted it without question.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:02 PM
Response to Original message
80. They ARE doing this ON PURPOSE!! They do not want the terrorism
to stop. They do not want their source of riches to stop. They have a true vested interest in the continuation of terrorism..not only economic, but political. Their political fortunes, as well as their financial fortunes are dependent on the continuation of chaos and war.
The more one looks at their policies, the clearer this appears.

This is also obvious by their undercutting the work of Valerie Plame's cover company. They were about to make major discoveries between BushCo, bin Laden, Saudis, terrorists etc, etc

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #80
119. I'm just not sure they look that far ahead
They have certain strategic goals (money, money, money), but things like the Plame leak and Khan outing are just amoral acts of self-preservation unconcerned w/ the larger effect on the nation they'd sworn to protect.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #119
145. I think they do want to keep the terrorism going
WHY are they spending billions in Iraq rather than taking down terrorist training camps in Pakistan and going after terrorist rings? We have the best intelligence and military in the world. They also diverted our troops when they had Bin Laden cornered! WTF?

http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/40683.asp

US failed to dismantle Pak terror infrastructure: reports
Jul. 14, 2005

The bombers who carried out the London blasts may have been trained in Pakistan as recently as this year, reports said, leading to criticism that Bush Administration has failed to effectively dismantle the terrorist infrastructure in that country. Shehzad Tanweer, a British citizen of Pakistani descent and a suspected bomber in the attacks that killed at least 52
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #145
152. Yes, wholly agree
But their primary goal is money -- from (tacit) control of the oil.

And there's no question that they allowed bin Laden to remain free -- so as to keep the terror fear alive and enable their invasion of Iraq.

Power and money are the goal.
Perpetual war is the means.

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #152
154. exactly
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #152
165. I think it's difficult to know why all they do things
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


I have been wondering what's up with Pakistan's ISI and our CIA and some of the weird stuff that has been going on that people are not much accountable for. From 9/11 to Daniel Pearl to....?


" PAKISTAN'S INTER Services Intelligence (ISI) has
done what its Army can never do. It has captured the vitals of the
nation, its tentacles are spread across every nook and cranny-from
Gujarat to Assam, from Kashmir to Kerala. It can trigger blasts in remote
places, fuel communal riots in peaceful cities and blow up railway
stations anywhere it wishes to. It can spread terror wherever, whenever.
Its control is full and final.
<>
The plan to take over J&K was drafted in the mid-80s. The blueprint
was prepared by the ISI chief in 1984 to aid and abet militancy in
Kashmir. Amanullah Khan, chairman of the J&K Liberation Front, was
consulted, Mohammad Rauf Khan, senior vice-president of the JKLF a
terrorist outfit since banned, was sent to the valley in 1978-88 to
mobilise youth to join ISI camps across the Line of Control of arms
training. Over 20,000 persons infiltrated into Pakistan.
After pushing in militants, initially under the banner of JKLF, ISI
floated several organisations-Hizb-ul-Maujahideen, Hizb-ul-Islam, Allah
Tigers, Al-Umar Mujahideen, Muslim Mujahideen, Harkat Ul Ansar and Jamaat
Hurriyat Conference. Besides funding, the ISI supplied both assault
rifles and other sophisticated arms to the militants which included
Draganov sniper rifles, anti-aircraft missiles and remote explosives. It
also flooded the Valley with Improvised Explosive Devices which, till
this date, continue to take a heavy till on security forces deployed for
counter-insurgency operations...."

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/pakistan/isi/india.html

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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:05 PM
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83. Ever watch a snowball rolling downhill?
Gathering momentum.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:10 PM
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85. Yeah, and the only way to stop it is to get in front of it and hope
it doesn't knock you down.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:11 PM
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86. Let's play another round of "Connect the Dots"
And that big dot ..... at the end of the line ..... ? Right on the ass of idiot son.

I hope his old man kicks the living shit of this fuckwad.

By the way ..... this thread has 57 votes for greatest and it isn't showing up. Why's that? SURELY this isn't a conspiracy theory.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:24 PM
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95. I've pm'd the mods.
Maybe you might have better luck.
It's funny, this thread is cross-linked in LBN and THAT thread is on the greatest page with 4 votes.
Something ain't right...
:wtf:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:28 PM
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99. OMG your post was made at 9:11
LOCKING.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:12 PM
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88. Being cautious: this also provides fuel for the fascists in this country
who want to tear up the Constitution. Remember Tommy Frank and his comment that "the Constitution won't survive another terrorist attack?" This will give them support for the idea that the Constitution is a convenience we just can't afford in an age of terrorism.

On the other hand, it'll be tough to see the Bush Administration squirm its way out of responsibility for this one.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:01 AM
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166. Did you notice this...?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:13 PM
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89. Here is a BBC on this Khan guy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3541952.stm

A Pakistani computer expert with alleged al-Qaeda links appears to have provided information leading to a string of arrests in his own country and the United Kingdom.

Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan was detained in the Pakistani city of Lahore on 12 July.

Pakistani authorities give varying accounts of his alleged role, but certain officials say Mr Khan is a key piece in the al-Qaeda jigsaw.

It was from his computer, they say, that intelligence officials were able to follow an e-mail trail leading directly to a Tanzanian wanted for the 1998 US embassy bombings in East Africa.


As for the leak messing-up catching these guys:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/terror.wrap /

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- The effort by U.S. officials to justify raising the terror alert level last week may have shut down an important source of information that has already led to a series of al Qaeda arrests, Pakistani intelligence sources have said.

Until U.S. officials leaked the arrest of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan to reporters, Pakistan had been using him in a sting operation to track down al Qaeda operatives around the world, the sources said.

In background briefings with journalists last week, unnamed U.S. government officials said it was the capture of Khan that provided the information that led Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to announce a higher terror alert level.

Khan is a computer expert who officials said helped Osama bin Laden communicate with his terror network.


I don't know whats worse these idiot Republicans or the terrorists. Reminds me of that character "Fearless Fosdick", the inept cop in Lil Abner comics from the 40-70's
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:19 PM
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91. man what a DISASTER
such political opportunism is deplorable at best, criminal at worst.

thnx for the links and info.

nominated...

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:22 PM
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94. What about email blasting some British journalists/media
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 08:23 PM by ultraist
with this info? If the Brits get pissed off enough about this, it will help us. I think we have a better chance of getting this in the British press than the US M$M.

Frightening stuff. :scared:
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:27 PM
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96. It's already there..do a google search.
This is breaking all over the world BIG TIME!!!!
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:34 PM
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105. GOOD!
I bet they are hunkering down in the WH and Scotty is preparing for another roast. HAHA!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:38 PM
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110. It's on IHT's website, they know.
Taxloss also posted in the UK forum here.

And this is STILL not on the Greatest Page, goddammit!
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:28 PM
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97. Kick to the top. n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:28 PM
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98. 79th recommended!
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:29 PM
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100. The Keystone Cops...of terror fighting...
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:30 PM
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101. Also this link...
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:33 PM
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104. It's hard work.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 08:34 PM by slutticus
Hard work making this world a more dangerous place.

I'm in awe here people.
:wow:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:36 PM
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109. Abstract of Waldman/Lipton: "Undisciplined acts" compromised Brit op
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50B16FC...

THE REACH OF WAR: TERROR ALERT; Rounding Up Qaeda Suspects: New Cooperation, New Tensions, New Questions

By AMY WALDMAN AND ERIC LIPTON; AMY WALDMAN REPORTED FROM ISLAMABAD FOR THIS ARTICLE AND ERIC LIPTON FROM WASHINGTON. PATRICK E. TYLER AND RICHARD A. OPPEL JR. CONTRIBUTED REPORTING FROM LONDON. (NYT) 2830 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 12 , Column 1

ABSTRACT - Apprehension of terror suspect Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan by Pakistani agents in Lahore on July 13 has had enormous global repercussions; government's alert level was raised in financial sectors of Washington, New York and Newark; information gathered after Khan's arrest led to apprehension of suspected masterminds behind bombings of American Embassies in 1998; in Britain, string of arrests have been made of 13 men who authorities there suspect might be terrorists; rush of activity demonstrates extraordinary interconnection among international intelligence services that has surfaced since 9/11 attacks; it also exposes awkward and at times clearly testy antiterrorism partnership between US, Britain and Pakistan; tension has been evident in past weeks, as British suggest that undisciplined acts by their two partners may have compromised ultimate success of operation; photos; timeline (L)
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:42 PM
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112. Bush puts us all at more risk for his political gain
as British suggest that undisciplined acts by their two partners may have compromised ultimate success of operation;
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:42 PM
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111. I don't see this link anyplace above, but it is kinda interesting
http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/archives/the_clipb...

"Here is what we now know. The Pakistani government arrested a 25-year-old computer expert in Lahore on July 13. The arrest was never given to the Pakistani press by the Pakistani government, and no notice appeared in any Pakistani or other newspaper. This absence can only be deliberate, since the Pakistanis could easily have held a press conference to trumpet their new captive. This decision to keep the arrest quiet appears to have been made because Khan had been "flipped," i.e., had become a double agent and continued to have email contact with al-Qaeda members in London, e.g., but now with the Pakistani military intelligence listening in.

There was no reason for any reporter anywhere to inquire about Khan, since nothing had come out in Pakistan about his case. Pakistani intelligence was passing on to British intelligence what it was finding out about the London cell. Khan was still communicating with it on Monday August 2."

<snip>

The Bush administration at the very least bears indirect responsibility for the outing of Khan. Without the Ridge announcement, reporters would have had no incentive to seek out the name of the source of the information.

The appearance of Khan's name in the New York Times on August 2 caused the British to have to swoop down on the London al-Qaeda cell to which he was speaking. As it was, 5 of them heard about Khan's arrest and immediately fled. The British got 13, but it was early in their investigation and they had to let 5 go or charge them with minor offences (immigration irregularities e.g.). On Tuesday, the British charged 8 of them."

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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:46 PM
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114. One more from the same link
The Reuters story still does seem to me to hold water, however, at a more general level. After understanding that Ridge set in train the events that led to Khan's outing, I think it was a huge mistake. It would have been better to keep quiet and use Khan to get more and more of al-Qaeda, maybe even Bin Laden himself. I do not know if the Bush administration made the announcement to take the spotlight off the Kerry campaign right after the Democratic National Convention, but Paul Krugman and others have persuasively argued that the Bush administration does time such announcements for political purposes. The British security officials have the better instincts here.

This says it all, Bu$h is fighting a political war not a terrorism war with real enemies. His concern was/is always political. He's gonna get us killed if he doesn't start paying attention.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:01 PM
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122. These are both from the Juan Cole commentary.
Thanks for posting, though. Better to have more info, than less.
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nonny Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:44 PM
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113. The Outing of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan: State of Play
The Outing of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan: State of Play
Date: August 18, 2004

Complete text of the article, The Outing of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan: State of Play, by Juan Cole
http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/archives/the_clipb...

From an article:

The Ridge announcement raised the question of where the information on the surveillance of the buildings had come from. Late Sunday afternoon, August 1, the entire national press corps worked the phones furiously, checking with government officials about where Ridge had gotten his tip. The Boston Globe managed to get through to a CIA analyst, who knew the story of Khan's arrest but refused to give out the specific name.

Earlier on, Reuters had reported, and I had repeated, that the name of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan was given on background to the press by a Bush administration official. The assertion was confirmed by National Security Adviser Condaleeza Rice in an August 8 interview on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, in which she said that US officials gave the name out on background. Both Reuters and Rice appear to have been wrong in this allegation, and I regret having repeated it. The transcript of the briefing, when released, did not contain Khan's name. However, I am not very embarrassed about being wrong, since Rice misled me. Her office later issued a correction, saying that she had just repeated back to Blitzer his own statement, and had misspoken. This performance by her seems to me bizarre and alarming, but there you have it.

The point remains that had Ridge not made his announcement, the press would have had no occasion to go searching for the source of his information. The Bush administration decision to go public put a powerful spotlight on the Pakistani arrests of June and July. (link)

Since I've been following this story via Juan Cole, I thought I'd also post this clarification from him. As he says, when news stories are developing live, the facts are often murky and one has to make guesses. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still more to this story.
snip--

This is an interesting account -- not a news site.
check it out
http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/archives/the_clipb...

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:58 PM
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120. WE'VE MADE THE GREATEST PAGE WITH 93 RECOMMENDATIONS !
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 09:04 PM by beam me up scottie
:woohoo:

but we're not at the top ?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:03 PM
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126. Yeah... And They Tossed Me Like And Old Shoe, LOL !!!
We is da greatest!

:woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:05 PM
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128. BWAHAHAHAHA !!!
I wonder what the hold up was ?

But, you're right, who cares ?

:party: :applause: :woohoo:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 PM
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139. How old *IS* that dude?!? n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:02 PM
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123. Recommended. This stunk when it happened. Now .....
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:02 PM
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124. Why don't they save this until Sunday ?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 PM
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137. Why Sunday? n/t
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:27 AM
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192. Because news released on Fridays tends to disappear,
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 08:31 AM by laureloak
while Sunday coverage gets huge attention.

I think it is normal practice to release on Friday news that one doesn't want to grow legs.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:33 AM
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193. Ah, gotcha. n/t
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:03 PM
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125. On a lighter note look at the messages to Tacitus blog
http://www.tacitus.org/story/2004/8/8/164318/6020

Scroll down to Spin Doctors message. It is a spin on Rice's testimony to the 9-11 commission about the PDB from Aug 6 2001, but in this case its a PDB discussing Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:05 PM
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130. Here is a wash post article from aug 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6679-200...

"Don't Politicize Terrorism

By David Ignatius
Tuesday, August 17, 2004; Page A15

The mixing of anti-terrorism policy with the 2004 presidential campaign is becoming destructive. It is creating a vicious cycle of hype, skepticism and mistrust that puts the country's security at risk.

The dangers of politicizing terrorism were clear in this month's announcement about potential attacks on financial centers in the New York area and in Washington. When Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge disclosed the threats on Aug. 1, he faced immediate skepticism about whether the intelligence was valid. Sadly, the Bush administration had helped create this climate of public suspicion by overusing its elaborate, color-coded system of terrorism warnings. After a terrorism advisory by Attorney General John Ashcroft last spring was pooh-poohed the same day by Ridge, some people wondered whether these warnings were being used for political effect.

In the administration's eagerness to demonstrate the seriousness of the threat against financial centers, something terrible happened. An official in Washington or Pakistan, it's not clear which, leaked the name of the captured al Qaeda operative who was a main source of the information -- a 25-year-old Pakistani named Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan. His name was leaked to the New York Times on Aug. 1, the same day the terror warning was issued, in a seeming attempt to bolster the credibility of the intelligence report.

Whatever the reason for the leak, it was disastrous for intelligence operations."
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:10 PM
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135. And from India
http://news.indiamart.com/news-analysis/musharraf-s-dub...

"Musharrafs dubious role in the fight against terrorism

Ghailani, a Tanzanian national, is wanted by America in connection with the two US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. But, a greater controversy surrounds the arrest of the Al-Qaeda computer whizz-kid, Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan. The documents and the computer discs recovered from him spoke of the Al-Qaeda having carried out reconnaissance of some of the key financial institutions in the US like the IMF and the World Bank headquarters in Washington, the Prudential Corporation building in New Jersey, the Citigroup headquarters and the New York Stock Exchange and planning truck bomb attacks. It was suggested that some of the potential plots uncovered from Noor Khans laptop computer may have been part of a broader effort to strike the country before the November elections and even carry out high profile political assassinations in Britain, US and Saudi Arabia.

Despite the subsequent claims that the material recovered from Noor Khans computer was three years old, i.e. from the pre-9/11 days, the US security authorities did not take chances. Even though militants might have conducted much of their surveillance some years ago, the threat was no less real, they claimed, arguing that Al-Queda has a history of long-term planning and the consistent stream of incoming intelligence. The interrogation of Noor Khan led to arrest of 12 Al-Qaeda suspects in Britain, among them, Abu Issa al-Hindi, a Hindu convert to Islam, who, the authorities believe was dispatched to the US by senior Al-Qaeda leaders to carry out the reconnaissance operations. Of equally significance were the captures of Babar Ahmed in Britain, who allegedly obtained detailed information about the US naval manoeuvres in the Gulf, Mesrab Arochi, the nephew of former Al-Qaeda No. 3, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed in Pakistan in June and the operational head of Al-Qaeda, Qari Saifullah Akhtar, who was deported from the UAE to Pakistan.

Assessing the recent events, Indian observers note that Pakistan has a history of playing a dubious game - running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. The US fears that any further sanctions against Pakistan, once called a failed State, would hit its economy, bankrupt it and then send this nuclear-weapons State straight into the hands of religious parties or extremists, have always stood in the way of its taking strong action for its role in raising and nursing the terrorist outfits like the Taliban and Al-Qaeda which prospered under its wing when it ruled Afghanistan. Although the US has praised Pakistan for taking some 500 Al-Qaeda men out of operation, many top level leaders of the outfit continue to roam freely in areas where Pakistani writ does not run.

The Pakistan President has a knack of producing suspects out of a hat whenever he has reasons to do so. The sudden announcement of the capture of some Al-Qaeda operatives like Ghailani and Noor Khan has been traced by some commentators to the actual anxiety shown by the Americans for cooperation from Pakistan. The US wants Pakistan to help arrest Osama or to get his scalp to help President Bush win the November elections. The US decision to designate Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally is seen as an attempt to nudge President Musharraf to do more after the failure of his military to catch any important Al-Qaeda personality from the law-less Wana area in Waziristan sometime back. When the US Deputy Secretary of State, Richard Armitage visited Pakistan, he accused the Musharraf Government of continuing to support cross-border terrorism and infiltration and privately offered to extend military and economic assistance as a non-NATO ally of the US if it helped in the capture of some top Al-Qaeda operatives."

I don't think India cares too much for Pakistan, from the sounds of it.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 PM
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138. Thats 4 pages of google and a summary in edit
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 09:29 PM by Jose Diablo
I hope this helps your research.

I need to rest now.

Edit: It is clear to me that the Bu4h administration is more concerned with politics rather than the security of the USA. With this example clearly showing how 'outing' Khan before the Brits could round-up the entire cell has resulted in only weakening that terrorist cell and a little less than a year later that cell was able to bomb the London transit system killing and maiming a large number of innocent civilians.

Now if Bu$h was on the ball he would have been coordinating efforts with our closest allie in the War on Terror. After all the information on Khan did come from the Brits, so why did Bu$h unilaterally leak Khans name without coordinating with the Brits?

Now this outing of Khan foolishly is not an isolated instance. His administration did the very same thing with our own intelligence organization by leaking a name of a CIA NOC agent. For the same reason, for political benefit.

Bu$h needs to go. We need somebody else steering this boat.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:58 PM
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211. Thanks for the info and effort, Jose. n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:11 PM
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136. Pretty funny....
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #125
155. Hi-larious. And sadly prophetic. (thx) n/t
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:04 PM
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127. Vote 94 here....
Revenge is a dish.........
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:05 PM
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129. as you report your findings - please put it in the larger context
what we have to do is keep demonstrating the repeated pattern that is so verifiable (citing their own words and actions) of putting political "strategy" over national security.

That is, undercut the war in Afghanistan and the international effort to get al queada - in order to get the war on in Iraq (and the why? all obvious is going back to Ws own words pre-president - per what he would do if he was a war president, where I believe, that he cites Iraq as an example - then ONielll Clark and others verify the desire to go after Iraq long before 911.

The DSMs in context again point to this pattern of seeking political gain regardless of the impact of the policy (there is so much out there that verifies that pattern suggested by the DSMs, that makes it harder and harder to ignore).

The Plame "affair" is more of the same pattern.

And then - to the risk of our only real ally (in terms of being actively involved) in Iraq - in order to try to get some election momentum. Put your story in that context.

Start with what you find per the blowing the intell collection in order for to "score" an arrest for the US - and then put in the context of the long, and documentable pattern of behavior. Makes the whole thing make sense - and more important - it keeps pushing the very real (tragically) and repeated theme of the administration's actions of pushing the pursuit of political power and gain over the very real security needs.
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Goblyn Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #129
142. Gannon WH questions about Wilson/Khan (leak spoils investigation)
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 09:19 PM by Goblyn

I was thinking about this story about the leak that spoiled the British Operation..

Then I thought about Jeff Gannon...
<http://www.google.com/search?q=gannon+joe+wilson >


Lookie lookie..

http://mediamatters.org/items/20050202001

<snip>
From the White House website's transcript of the August 9, 2004, briefing:

MR. McCLELLAN: Go ahead, Jeff.

Q: Thank you. The imam that was arrested in New York last week was discovered because his name appeared in a Rolodex in a terrorist training camp in Iraq before the war. The book was found after, by U.S. troops, but he was in Iraq before the war. Is this another piece of evidence showing the direct terror ties between Iraq and al Qaeda?

MR. McCLELLAN: One, that's an ongoing investigation. I think the questions related to those particular individuals are best directed to the Department of Justice. And so that's -- I would refer any questions about that investigation to the Department of Justice. We are continuing to wage the war on terrorism on many fronts, both abroad and at home. And I think you're seeing that through the actions that we are taking.

Q: Let me follow up with a second question. How damaging was the revelation of the deepest mole that we've ever had in al Qaeda? The publication of that man's name by The New York Times -- how damaging is that to our war on terror?

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry -- which specific instance are you referring to?

Q: The New York Times published the name of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, who was described by intelligence officials as the only deep mole we've ever had within al Qaeda.

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm not sure where it was published, first. Obviously, it was published recently -- the capture of this individual. It is important that we recognize that sometimes there are ongoing operations underway. And as we move forward on capturing or bringing to justice al Qaeda members, we need to keep that in mind. And sometimes we aren't able to go into as much detail we would like to because of those ongoing operations. And I think everybody has a responsibility to keep that in mind.

<snip>


scroll down further on the site for the Wilson related questions..
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:23 PM
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144. Excellent find! It definitely reeks of a WH maneuver...
... to redirect the blame for the leak to the NY Times, away from the WH.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:31 PM
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150. and Gannon - for all
that his story in a vaccuum is so juicy to point out - is part of the recurrent theme that we need to push into the general public psyche - that this is a long standing pattern of behavior - and Gannon was a tool as a part of the media leg of this pattern.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:20 PM
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143. 99 recommendations! Do I hear one hundred? Anyone? Anyone?


Talk about putting another log on the fire!


:bounce:
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:25 PM
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146. Aug 5, 2004: 5 evade police after rushed raids from computer information
Manhunt as five al-Qaeda militants evade police

Investigators are studying detailed information about the alleged Heathrow plot found on the laptop computers of two terrorist suspects being held in Pakistan.

One of the suspects, Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan, is said to have passed on details of the five al-Qaeda militants still at large in Britain. Most of the five are believed to have been living in the London area in recent weeks.

Mr Khan, a 25-year-old computer specialist, was forced to take part in an undercover sting operation to help the authorities in Britain and the US track down key al-Qaeda agents.

A senior government official in Islamabad told The Times last night: His arrest was kept secret and he was made to remain in touch with his contacts. During his detention, he regularly communi-cated through e-mail with the al-Qaeda operatives in Britain and in other countries. That helped us to identify them.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1205115,00.ht...


A day later, Britain hastily rounded up terrorism suspects,some of whom are believed to have been in contact with Khan while he was under cover. Washington has portrayed those arrests as a major success, saying one of the suspects, named Abu Musa al-Hindi or Abu Eissa al-Hindi, was a senior Al Qaeda figure.

But British police have acknowledged the raids were carried out in a rush. Suspects were dragged out of shops in daylight and caught in a high speed carchase, instead of the usual procedure of catching them at home in the early morning while they can offer less resistance.

"HOLY GRAIL" OF INTELLIGENCE: Security experts contacted by Reuters said they were shocked by the revelations that the source whose information led to the alert was identified within days, and that US officials had confirmed his name.

"The whole thing smacks of either incompetence or worse," said Tim Ripley, a security expert who writes for Jane's Defence publications. "You have to ask: what are they doing compromising a deep mole within Al Qaeda, when it's so difficult to get these guys in there in the first place?

http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/08/int7.htm
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:41 PM
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153. Excellent links. Thanks. n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:26 PM
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148. Just hit the "Recommend 100 button"
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:33 PM
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151. I am frightened more than ever....
at the arrogance of this administration.

Enough.


:kick:


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:53 PM
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164. Way frightened.
They think they can do anything they want and nothing bad will happen and they will never be held responsible because, well, because. And in the meantime, people keep getting killed, and hurt and argh. It is very scary, the damage they have done, the bad feelings that will come out against who knows who in the future.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:51 PM
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156. Not only is the bush admin evil, they are stupid. This makes them even
more dangerous.They fuck up everything they do. They're like the Sopranos: not very bright, but they get what they want by being vicious thugs. Their stupidity and impulsive behavior gets them into jams, and they use their viciousness to get out of them.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:54 PM
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157. I had an LTTE last year comparing them to the Keystone Kops
and yes, that was about Khan's outing then... I sent a follow-up in tonight.

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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:24 PM
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161. This story's too complicated for the general public; they'll just chalk
it up to incompetency and bad luck; the former they already know about and the latter will just garner more support from the koolaid drinkers.

Look at how straightforward the Rove story is, yet the "librul" media is actually giving face time to people who are claiming that 1) just because Rove didn't say the words "Valerie" and "Plame" together, and just said "Wilson's wife" (evidently we're to think it possible that Wilson may have had 4 or 5 wives), that he didn't do anything wrong;
2) The primarily-republican-for-most-of-his-life diplomat is nothin but a librul trying to hurt the texas village idiot; and
3) Plame wasn't really ever undercover cuz Rush and Hannity keep ignoring the facts.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:43 PM
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162. .
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:44 PM
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163. Recommended
Is this on the front page yet?

Are people emailing the London newspapers?

This is the hugest thing I've heard - as bad or worse than Rove.

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:07 AM
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167. kick
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:29 AM
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168. Correction, in retrospect... ABC News didn't comment on leak
Please forgive me for the lack of clarity in the original post. On a reread it appears to attribute more to ABC News than ABC reported. The ABC News story reporting on the links between the London bombers and Naaem Noor Khan only commented on the connection, and then discussed the followup arrests.

The ABC report did NOT remind the viewers that Khan had been flipped as a mole, of the controversy over the leak of Khan's name, nor of British and Pakistani intelligence agency anger over the leak. That part of the original post was the bleeding of my commentary with my relaying of the report.

That being said, I dearly hope some news outlets make this connection and highlight the parallels to the ongoing "Plame leak" controversy.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:45 AM
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170. Oh.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:50 AM
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171. See Americablog for a much better summary
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/07/bush-admin-may-...

(originally referenced above by Carla in Ca)
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:52 AM
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172. KRK I don't see anything you have to retract!
"ABC News' terrorism consultant says the group that bombed London was likely activated just after the arrests: "It is very likely this group was activated last year after the other group was arrested," Debat said.
==

Pretty clear to me!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:59 AM
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174. Should have used more than a hyphen to separate the report...
... from my commentary:

    ABC News (Thursday's World News Tonight) just reported that the London bombers have been linked to Naeem Noor Khan and the 12 men arrested in Britain last year -- who were arrested prematurely due to the Bush Administration's leaking the name of Khan, in a C-Y-A move over a threat-level increase during the 2004 US Presidential campaign.


The truth remains the same. I just thought I'd clarify what ABC News actually reported, in case anyone was actually getting their hopes up that the M$M was finally waking up and connecting somes dots on their own. :)

One can hope that the British media will take up this angle and force an investigation from their side of the pond.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:56 AM
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173. I remember this story from last year!
So it's turning out to have a sequel...

Could the Bush administration be any MORE incompetent when it comes to security?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:19 AM
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216. It is not incompetence. It is planned.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:15 AM
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177. INTERESTING! eom
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:14 AM
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180. I am sorry, Britain.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:21 AM
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182. Yeah, me too. . . nt
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exsoccermom Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:24 AM
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235. Bush's song for Blair
That's what you get for loving me. Remember the story of the scorpion or snake crossing the river.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:29 AM
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183. I'm not so sure it was incompetence.
Could have been deliberate.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:56 AM
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184. Did they leak his name to help win the election? Or. . .
Or did the administration leak his name deliberately to blow apart the MI5 investigation because British intelligence was on the trail of secrets they needed to protect?

This would parallel the leaking of the name of the CIA dummy company for which Valerie Plame worked, in that it now seems that they wanted to stop the CIA from learning who in Saudi Arabia was funding terrorism. Air America Radio's Randi Rhodes spent the entire last hour of her broadcast on Thursday exploring the evidence supporting this theory.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:23 AM
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185. Tom Ridge, the DNC, and the London attacks
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&thre...

I think blaming the attacks in London on Bush would be a stretch, but ABC has linked the London attacks to Naeem Noor Khan and plans he had on his laptop. This links the terror alerts during the DNC to the London attacks. What I didn't know is that apparently Khan was working for the Pakistani military intelligence after he was arrested and during the DNC alerts when the information was shared with the US media. This blew the cover of Khan and forced British intelligence to act on tips early. Here's some stuff gathered by some blogs. I'll just quote the relevant sections without adding blog commentary.
ABC:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/LondonBlasts/story?id=940198&...


Officials tell ABC News the London bombers have been connected to an al Qaeda plot planned two years ago in the Pakistani city of Lahore.

The laptop computer of Naeem Noor Khan, a captured al Qaeda leader, contained plans for a coordinated series of attacks on the London subway system, as well as on financial buildings in both New York and Washington.

"There's absolutely no doubt he was part of an al Qaeda operation aimed at not only the United States but Great Britain," explained Alexis Debat, a former official in the French Defense Ministry who is now a senior terrorism consultant for ABC News.

At the time, authorities thought they had foiled the London subway plot by arresting more than a dozen young Britons of Pakistani descent last August in Luton, a city known for its ties to terrorism.




Juan Cole:
http://www.juancole.com/2004/08/outing-of-muhammad-naee...

Here is what we now know. The Pakistani government arrested a 25-year-old computer expert in Lahore on July 13. The arrest was never given to the Pakistani press by the Pakistani government, and no notice appeared in any Pakistani or other newspaper. This absence can only be deliberate, since the Pakistanis could easily have held a press conference to trumpet their new captive. This decision to keep the arrest quiet appears to have been made because Khan had been "flipped," i.e., had become a double agent and continued to have email contact with al-Qaeda members in London, e.g., but now with the Pakistani military intelligence listening in.

There was no reason for any reporter anywhere to inquire about Khan, since nothing had come out in Pakistan about his case. Pakistani intelligence was passing on to British intelligence what it was finding out about the London cell. Khan was still communicating with it on Monday August 2.

In addition, Khan's computer had on it surveillance information about financial institutions in New York and Washington that dated back three years, before the September 11 attacks. The Pakistanis shared this information with both British and American intelligence.

<...>

The British, especially MI5 and Home Secretary David Blunkett, had not wanted his name made public, and were furious at all of the detailed information being given out to the public by the Bush administration or in consequence of its revelations. For some reason, the British seem to have feared that the naming of Abu Eisa al-Hindi would complicate the case against him. The Times of India reports that Abu Musa (or Abu Eisa) al-Hindi's real name is Dhiron Barot. He is one of the 8 charged in London on Tuesday. He is from a Hindu family, but converted to Islam at age 20 and got pulled into jihadi activities in Kashmir (about which he published a book). He was the one who cased the financial institutions in the US for al-Qaeda. The story of Barot, like that of Richard Reid, shows that al-Qaeda isn't mainly about Islam per se, it is a political-religious ideology that can attract non-Muslims.




This fills in some missing details:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/219869p-188947c....

A captured Al Qaeda computer whiz was E-mailing his comrades as part of a sting operation to nab other top terrorists when U.S. officials blew his cover, sources said yesterday.

Within hours of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan's name being publicized Monday, British police launched lightning raids that netted a dozen suspected Al Qaeda terrorists, including one who was nabbed after a high-speed car chase....

Now British and Pakistani intelligence officials are furious with the Americans for unmasking their super spy - apparently to justify the orange alert - and for naming the other captured terrorist suspects.

Pakistani Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayyat expressed dismay the trap they had hoped would lead to the capture of other top Al Qaeda leaders, possibly even Osama Bin Laden, was sprung too soon.




There's a whole bunch more stuff cited here: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/07/bush-admin-may-...





HOLY CRAP!!


So...that July 2004 push by the Propagandist and his administration to push Pakistan to come up with some high-quality arrests timed to coincide with the Democratic National Convention have possibly resulted in someone linked to those arrested having "turned" to a double-agent and involved in the London attacks?!?!?!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:48 AM
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186. Blame it on Howard Dean
If I remember correctly, they raised the terror alert during the Democratic Convention but didn't leak the guy's name immediately.

In an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Howard Dean questioned the timing of the alert. Dean was hammered by the RW media but stuck to his guns and once reporters began looking into it more began questioning it.

Eventually, in order to justify the terror alert, the administration leaked details of the information discovered and finally the name of the captive. Problem was British and Pakistani intelligence had apparently struck some sort of a deal with they guy and he was continuing to correspond with his former Al Queda associates while the British and Pakistanis waited for the right moment to strike.

Revealing Kahns name compromised this investigation. Now we learn that suspects in the London bombings were tied in with Kahn.

Isn't that special.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:56 AM
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187. Here's some info on those terror alerts
The Yahoo page isn't there anymore but I saved it ;)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&u=/ap/200...

WASHINGTON - The FBI (news - web sites) warned police in California and New Mexico that it received information about possible terrorist activity in their states. However, the warning wasn't specific about particular targets or a method of attack, a federal law enforcement official said Thursday.

The FBI decided to pass along the threat information but warned that it was considered unsubstantiated and uncorroborated, said the official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity.

The vague warning was distributed to authorities in California, New Mexico and some other Western states the official did not identify.

U.S. officials earlier this month warned that a regular stream of intelligence indicates al-Qaida wants to attack the United States to disrupt the upcoming elections.



PAKISTAN FOR BUSH.
July Surprise?
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040719&s=aaj071904

A third source, an official who works under ISI's director, Lieutenant General Ehsan ul-Haq, informed tnr that the Pakistanis "have been told at every level that apprehension or killing of HVTs before election is absolute must." What's more, this source claims that Bush administration officials have told their Pakistani counterparts they have a date in mind for announcing this achievement: "The last ten days of July deadline has been given repeatedly by visitors to Islamabad and during meetings in Washington." Says McCormack: "I'm aware of no such comment." But according to this ISI official, a White House aide told ul-Haq last spring that "it would be best if the arrest or killing of HVT were announced on twenty-six, twenty-seven, or twenty-eight July"--the first three days of the Democratic National Convention in Boston.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:29 AM
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189. the initial details of the intel on the terror alert...
The initial intelligence that came out to justify the terror alert turned out to be three year old data... even our timid, complacent media started questioning that - that is when they outed Khan to justify the alert.

I think it is more CYA than a malicious plot to disrupt MI5, as I don't think the Bush team is that competent.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:48 AM
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197. That's a good summary, bklyncowgirl & NewJeffCT
Your qualifications, NewJeffCT, match my info/thinking.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:38 AM
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188. stand up and demand!
This is far beyond inexcusable. This has created incalculable dangers and directly resulted in the deaths of the citizens of an allied nation.

Please tell me there's some way to arrest these maniacs.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:39 AM
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190. This will go nowhere with the American Public.
They have enough trouble now trying to get the Plame = outed CIA agent = hurt our security. Thats a struggle. Now its Bush leaked a name, and the British arrested them and let them go.

The spin will be "The british had them and let them go!!!. See that is why its so important to have gitmo and keep these bad guys behind bars and not let them go"
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:41 AM
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195. Yeah, very likely the US news media will never follow-up...

Sadly, I gotta agree w/ ya, in that the US news media will likely never be so bold as to connect the dots between the London bombings and the effects of outing of Naaem Noor Khan.

I'm hoping, though, that the British news media does explore this angle, and maybe it'll find its way back from there. (Wishful thinking, I know.)

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:24 AM
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199. Unless the media pushes this.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:39 AM
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201. Ask NOT...!
Ask not what your media can do for you, but what YOU can do for your media.

Call, email and stand outside the window with a sign.... but try to help them connect the dots.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:40 AM
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203. ABC was close but they didn't draw to any conclusion
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:15 AM
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205. Yeah, I was bummed they didn't...
... but am holding-out hope *someone* will. So far, at least Majority Report and The Rachel Maddow Show have covered it, along w/ Americablog and DailyKOS -- but they're hardly M$M.

Not sure what it's going to take to get someone to shine a light on the outing. I expect some of the British papers will connect the dots, so maybe it'll find its way back to our media.

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:44 AM
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191. But won't they spin this as justification for Gitmo?
and the removal of all normal rights for "suspected terrorists?"
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:43 AM
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196. Oh, I'm sure they'll spin it in any number of illogical ways...
... but it won't change the fact that the outing of Noor Khan damaged the British and Pakistani anti-terror intelligence operations.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:38 AM
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194. 141 votes! my comcast connection goes down for a day and i miss
the highest vote count ever. damn! lets make this 142.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:53 AM
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198. Friday's Rachel Maddow Show hits on Khan outing effects
Am listening to this morning's Rachel Maddow Show, and Isaac-Davy Aronson (sitting in for Rachel) is covering the Khan outing angle. (Around the 22 minute mark on the commercial-free archive.)

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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 10:47 AM
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204. kick and arrest the bastards nt
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:05 PM
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207. DAVID GREGORY on MSNBC has been stepping up on Plame
Perhaps he would like to take this on as well and really step out into the light?

I've sent him stuff at this email:
Nightly@NBC.com
but the subject line should say Attn :David Gregory

Get the thought concise and include documentation and sources.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:40 PM
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208. Brit WMD expert Dr. David Kelly "suicided" within three days of the Plame
outing. (Novak outed Plame on 7/14/03. Kelly died 7/17/03.) One of the things Kelly was whistleblowing about, just before he died, was the "sexing up" of the Iraq nuke threat in Brit intel docs.
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:14 PM
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210. While I have no confidence in the U.S. MSM
to do anything with this story (to put it as mildly as I can), there's nothing stopping the British from picking this up and slapping us silly with it.
The sheer stupidity of this junta is awe-inspiring.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:45 AM
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212. Kick! And a question...Any new info? eom
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 04:16 PM
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219. Nothing, from what I've heard

Other than the info initially found, I haven't heard anything further on the connection between the London bombers and Noor Khan, nor on the US revealing Khan's arrest.

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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:07 PM
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221. Thanks! n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:53 AM
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213. There were some threads on DU about this
when it happened. As usual, DU is way ahead on all of this stuff. Here are a few of the threads posted LAST YEAR about this story:



Pakistan: US Blew Undercover Operation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Unmasking of Qaeda Mole a U.S. Security Blunder-Experts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Pakistani in terror sting named (blows UK sting)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 04:17 PM
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220. Great links... Thanks! n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 01:57 PM
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217. Kick to the top! 153 votes!
:kick:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:06 PM
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218. What a frightening turn of events.
I hope British authorities are made aware of this info.
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 05:14 PM
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222. This shows that Repubs put politics ahead of security
Republicans are so busy leaking, they can't protect us.

By the way, this story has over 150 votes - why isn't it listed at the top of the "Greatest" page?

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:18 AM
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227. Dropped-off "greatest" page due to some time-based criteria n/t
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:18 PM
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223. Monday kick for those who may have missed this important story.
:kick:
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SF Bay Area Dem Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:21 PM
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224. Was Rove behind this one also?
Anyone know?
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:24 PM
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225. Ammunition is just piling up, isn't it?
Now all we need is some shooters.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:40 PM
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226. Kick!
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:32 AM
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228. Third of Monday's 'Progress Report' (18July) dedicated to Khan link
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 10:33 AM by krkaufman
See it here (Another National Security Leak That Deserves Investigation), under the NATIONAL SECURITY section.

    Another National Security Leak That Deserves Investigation

    ... When pressed to explain why the threat level was raised, U.S. officials revealed that the intelligence had been garnered from an al Qaeda agent named Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan. "U.S. officials told reporters that someone held secretly by Pakistan was the source of the bulk of the information justifying the alert. The New York Times obtained Khan's name independently, and U.S. officials confirmed it when it appeared in the paper the next morning." These leaks revealed that an al Qaeda agent, who had been apprehended one month earlier, had been cooperating with British intelligence officials to help authorities track down al Qaeda militants in Britain. The disclosure of the mole's identity caused British officials to move in and arrest suspects before they were ready; other militants are believed to have gotten away and still others who may have been subsequently detected went underground. The leak of Khan's identity has drawn renewed attention in the wake of the London terror bombings as concerns have been raised that the leak may have foiled attempts to disrupt those attacks.

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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:34 AM
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229. Just waiting for martial law...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:16 PM
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230. Juan Cole on Tuesday's (7/19) Majority Report to discuss Khan connection
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 12:19 PM by krkaufman
From The Majority Report blog...

    Juan Cole, Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History at the University of Michigan. He is here to talk about the London bombings and the Naeem Noor Khan connection.


Thank YOU!, Sam & Janeane...!


Listen live (starting 7pm EDT) via: http://shows.airamericaradio.com/listen

Or grab the MP3 archive (sometime late Tuesday or Weds) at:
http://www.airamericaplace.com/upload/aamr071905.mp3 <25MB>

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:34 PM
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231. Any highlights to report?
:kick:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:55 PM
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232. Dunno. He hasn't been on yet. n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:04 AM
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234. CRAP! Juan Cole didn't show for Majority Report
No info on whether he'll appear another time.

(He's probably busy researching and writing on Roberts.)
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:37 AM
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233. Here's more on how BushCo blew the MI6 investigation
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:19 AM
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236. Noor Khan connection discussed on Weds' (7/20) Morning Sedition
Morning Sedition segment (starting at 56:00), in an interview w/ Paul Thompson, discusses the outing of Muhammed Naaem Noor Khan and connections to the London bombings.

Get the MP3 here: http://www.airamericaplace.com/upload/aams072005.mp3 <25MB>
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:32 PM
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237. Noor Khan outing discussed on Weds' (7/20) Majority Report

Noor Khan outing and London Bombing connection discussed on Weds' (7/20) Majority Report (starting at 70:00), in an interview w/ Juan Cole.

Get the MP3 here: http://www.airamericaplace.com/upload/aamr072005.mp3 <25MB>

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:36 PM
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238. Old DemocracyNow! interview w/ Juan Cole on Khan outing; 8/10/04

It was just theoretical back at the time of this interview, but still interesting viewing/listening...



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