Republican Insider: Afghan Pipeline Basis Of 9-11 Hidden Agenda

[G_j]

wow..does this guy blast Bush! A conservative Christian who says the Bush gang are equivalent to organized crime and essentially 'evil'


http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/07news01.htm

WAR OVER OIL
Conservative Republican Insider Says
Afghanistan Oil Pipeline
Basis Of 9-11 Hidden Agenda
Calls 9-11 A Preemptive Strike Against United States

By Nathan Diebenow
and W. Leon Smith

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH KARL W.B. SCHWARZ

CRAWFORD — He calls himself a conservative Republican, a brand that has defined him for the past 24 years at both the Arkansas and the Republican National Committee levels. After extensive research into the events that led to 9/11, Karl W.B. Schwarz, 53, has penned a book, “One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas — A Conservative Republican Speaks Out,” that in 832 pages details a massive governmental cover-up and explains the backdrop of what led to the war in Iraq.

In his book, Schwarz explains that prior to June 26, 2001, “the Bush Administration put India and Iran on notice that he intended to use military force to attack and remove the Taliban from power.” The reasoning, according to Schwarz, was an attempt to “bully the Taliban into letting Unocal and those Saudi partners that have apparently been financing terrorism” to have the Trans-Caspian pipeline across Afghanistan.

Schwarz asks: “Did we just get preemptively attacked and they do not want us to know that? Or, did we attack ourselves so the attack on the Taliban was justified so Bush Buddies could get their oil deals and oil pipelines?”

The author says that Americans were kept in the dark.
“Can anyone recall any of them telling us about that $7.34 trillion oil deal or that pipeline that was so desperately needed? No?” said Schwarz.
<snip>

“What I see is a nightmare that is slowly developing into a complete undermining of all I hold dear about this nation,” says Schwarz, speaking of those entrenched in the neo-conservative movement. “I am watching subrogation of power to the whims of wantonly greedy people and in that, a subjugation of the citizens of my nation.”

..much more..(long interview)

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. ..

[seemslikeadream]

2. Bridas Versus the New World Order

John Imle, president of Unocal (and member of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce with Armitage, Cheney, Brezezinski and other ubiquitous figures), lobbied Turkmenistan's president Niyazov and prime minister Bhutto of Pakistan, offering a Unocal pipeline following the same route as Bridas.'

Dazzled by the prospect of an alliance with the US, Niyazov asked Bridas to renegotiate its past contract and blocked Bridas' exports from Keimar field. Bridas responded by filing three cases with the International Chamber of Commerce against Turkmenistan for breach of contract. (Bridas won.) Bridas also filed a lawsuit in Texas charging Unocal with civil conspiracy and "tortuous interference with business relations." While its officers were negotiating with Pakistani and Turkmen oil and gas officials, Bridas claimed that Unocal had stolen its idea, and coerced the Turkmen government into blocking Bridas from Keimir field. (The suit was dismissed in 1998 by Judge Brady G. Elliott, a Republican, who claimed that any dispute between Unocal and Bridas was governed by the laws of Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, rather than Texas law.)



Bridas countered by forming an alliance with Ningarcho, a Saudi company closely aligned with Prince Turki el-Faisal, the Saudi intelligence chief. Turki was a mentor to Osama bin Laden, the ally of the Taliban who was publicly feuding with the Saudi royal family. As a gesture for Bridas, Prince Turki provided the Taliban with communications equipment and a fleet of pickup trucks. Now Bridas proposed two consortiums, one to build the Afghanistan portion, and another to take care of both ends of the line. By November 1996, Bridas claimed that it had an agreement signed by the Taliban and Dostum—trumping Unocal.

The competition between Unocal and Bridas, as described by Rashid, "began to reflect the competition within the Saudi Royal family."

In 1997, Taliban officials traveled twice to Washington, D.C. and Buenos Aires to be wined and dined by Unocal and Bridas. No agreements were signed.



Osama bin Laden (who issued his fatwa against the West in 1998) advised the Taliban to sign with Bridas. In addition to offering the Taliban a higher bid, Bridas proposed an open pipeline accessible to warlords and local users. Unocal's pipeline was closed—for export purposes only. Bridas' plan also did not require outside financing, while Unocal's required a loan from the western financial institutions (the World Bank), which in turn would leave Afghanistan vulnerable to demands from western governments.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI203A.html

[Stone_Spirits]

15. is there a connection with this story?

NEWSWEEK: After 9/11, Saudi's Leading Washington Fixer Met Twice with Karl Rove


Date : Sunday - February 13, 2005

NEW YORK, Feb. 13 /PRNewswire/ -- When a 2003 congressional panel issued a report on the roots of the 9/11 attacks, in which 15 of the 19 perpetrators were Saudis, containing 28 superclassified pages that described evidence of possible Saudi funding for two of the hijackers, the Saudis descended on the capital, eager to dispute the charges and reassure George W. Bush and his administration. One of the meetings was on July 29, according to lobbying records reviewed by Newsweek. The Saudi's leading Washington fixer, Adel Al-Jubeir, met with Karl Rove to, among other things, "give a status briefing on the Kingdom's reform efforts and war against terrorism."

Chief Correspondent Howard Fineman and Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff report in the February 21 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands Monday, February 14), that the sit-down was arranged by former Texas congressman Tom Loeffler, an elite fund-raiser for Bush's campaigns who had been hired as a lobbyist for the Saudis. The meeting was Al-Jubeir's second with Rove; the first was three months after 9/11. A source close to the Saudis insisted that the sessions were a mere "courtesy." But since Rove's domain was American politics-not foreign policy-why arrange them at all? "Isn't it obvious?" the source replied.

Now it is-more than ever, report Fineman and Isikoff. Last week the White House made it official, announcing that The Architect of the 2004 victory-indeed, of Bush's entire political career-would become a deputy chief of staff, while keeping his existing titles of senior advisor and assistant to the President. White House aides were intent on downplaying the import of the move, even leaking names of obscure functionaries who supposedly had been considered for the job. Andy Card-known to fear the gravitational pull of Rove's close relationship with the president-will remain as the chief of staff, they insisted; a source close to him says that Card will stay at least through 2006. Rove, insiders said, wouldn't want Card's job anyway, at least in its current configuration, which is more paper flow than policy.

And as usual in bureaucratic Washington, the real story lay not in the nomenclature but in the real estate: Rove is moving from upstairs to down, just around the corner from the Oval Office. "In a way, the appointment just confirms reality," said GOP consultant Charlie Black. But, in a city in which the biggest secrets are the open ones, "this is still a big deal."

-snip-


http://press.arrivenet.com/gov/article.php/586139.html

[seemslikeadream]

17. Thanks Stone_Spirits for that, I'm looking at deaths of Saudi Princes too

...

Posner elaborates in startling detail how U.S. interrogators used drugs—an unnamed "quick-on, quick-off" painkiller and Sodium Pentothal, the old movie truth serum—in a chemical version of reward and punishment to make Zubaydah talk. When questioning stalled, according to Posner, cia men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions.

Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do." The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd's and a publisher better known as a racehorse? owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002. To the amazement of the U.S., the numbers proved valid. When the fake inquisitors accused Zubaydah of lying, he responded with a 10-minute monologue laying out the Saudi-Pakistani-bin Laden triangle.

Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom's longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden "personally" told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom. The Pakistani contact, high-ranking air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir, entered the equation, Zubaydah said, at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan also attended by Zubaydah. Bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (isi), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was "blessed by the Saudis."

Zubaydah said he attended a third meeting in Kandahar in 1998 with Turki, senior isi agents and Taliban officials. There Turki promised, writes Posner, that "more Saudi aid would flow to the Taliban, and the Saudis would never ask for bin Laden's extradition, so long as al-Qaeda kept its long-standing promise to direct fundamentalism away from the kingdom." In Posner's stark judgment, the Saudis "effectively had (bin Laden) on their payroll since the start of the decade." Zubaydah told the interrogators that the Saudis regularly sent the funds through three royal-prince intermediaries he named.

The last eight paragraphs of the book set up a final startling development. Those three Saudi princes all perished within days of one another. On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed was felled by a heart attack at age 43. One day later Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, 41, was killed in what was called a high-speed car accident. The last member of the trio, Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, officially "died of thirst" while traveling east of Riyadh one week later. And seven months after that, Mushaf Ali Mir, by then Pakistan's Air Marshal, perished in a plane crash in clear weather over the unruly North-West Frontier province, along with his wife and closest confidants.

Without charging any skulduggery (Posner told TIME they "may in fact be coincidences"), the author notes that these deaths occurred after cia officials passed along Zubaydah's accusations to Riyadh and Islamabad. Washington, reports Posner, was shocked when Zubaydah claimed that "9/11 changed nothing" about the clandestine marriage of terrorism and Saudi and Pakistani interests, "because both Prince Ahmed and Mir knew that an attack was scheduled for American soil on that day." They couldn't stop it or warn the U.S. in advance, Zubaydah said, because they didn't know what or where the attack would be. And they couldn't turn on bin Laden afterward because he could expose their prior knowledge. Both capitals swiftly assured Washington that "they had thoroughly investigated the claims and they were false and malicious." The Bush Administration, writes Posner, decided that "creating an international incident and straining relations with those regional allies when they were critical to the war in Afghanistan and the buildup for possible war with Iraq, was out of the question."
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,480226,00.html

Support for the embryonic "al Qaeda" and its Wahhabi/Saudi/Salafist/ISI-affiliated mujaheddin allies was largely the work of big business-owned and operated Texas politicians like the nightclubbing bon vivant former Representative Charlie Wilson. Mirroring the early life styles of Wilson and George W. Bush, Osama bin Laden spent the 1970s in Beirut nightclubs engaging in heavy drinking and fighting over women.

The bin Laden family had a long association with Texas. Osama's older brother Salem was a financier of George W. Bush's oil businesses. The bin Laden family and their Saudi financial colleagues owned Texas airlines, airports, and real estate. Because of the intensive lobbying efforts (all documented in Crile's book) carried out with the help of Texans like Houston socialite and TV personality Joanne Herring, Baron and Baroness di Portanova, and Vice President George H. W. Bush, in concert with Richard Perle, former New Hampshire Senator Gordon Humphrey, the Congressional Jewish Caucus, and the ever-enigmatic shady operator Richard Armitage, radicals like bin Laden and his associates, Dr. Ayman al Zawahiri and Professor Abdul Rasul Sayyaf (the founder of a Saudi-financed and ISI-organized "Terrorist University," which spawned the Philippine terrorist "Abu Sayyaf Group"), were able to cobble together an impressive jihadist army armed with stockpiles of Soviet-made weapons from Egypt, captured Soviet weapons from Israel, and tons of cash from billionaire Saudi benefactors.

George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush's Florida election "fixer" and newly-named Bush debate coach James Baker III have both been honored guests, according to The Wall Street Journal, at the bin Laden family's palatial headquarters in Jeddah. With the active support of Pakistan's military dictator Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq (who was killed along with the U.S. ambassador, Pakistan's ISI chief Akhtar Abdul Rahman, and others in a mysterious 1988 plane crash determined by an unpublished Pakistani court of inquiry report to have been cause by the pilot being knocked out by gas in the cockpit), the Afghan mujaheddin became increasingly radicalized in the Wahhabi traditions. Out of Saudi-nurtured and Pakistani-organized madrasas would come future Taliban leaders like Mullah Mohammed Omar.

Senator Ted Kennedy was in the Senate in the late 1970s and 1980s and he must have experienced déjà vu as some of these same Texas interests championed the war against Iraq and the demarche to the Taliban to deal with the United States on the proposed UNOCAL trans-Afghan CentGas pipeline or face a "carpet of bombs." Kennedy correctly stated that the Iraq war was cooked up in Texas to benefit a Bush in the White House. So was America's support for the mujaheddin and bin Laden in Afghanistan although the main beneficiary was a previous Bush in the White House.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/091204Madsen/091204madsen.html

[seemslikeadream]

3. Timeline

November Taliban in United States to visit Unocal and U.S. State Department officials.

December Turkmenistan and Iran inaugarate 120-mile-long gas pipeline between the two countries.
1998

January Bridas awarded US$50 million by International Court of Arbitration in Paris for money owed by Turkmen government for refined products provided to Keimir refinery.

February Gazprom pulls out of Unocal consortium, shares re-distributed, giving Unocal 54 percent.

March Unocal says pipeline on hold as unfeasible because of Afghan war. Turkmenistan anxious for work to begin soon. Unocal asks Pakistan to extend deadline to October 1998. Deadline cannot be met, says Unocal, because of Afghan civil war.

June Objections to Afghan pipeline deal by some shareholders at Unocal's annual meeting. Unocal says it has spent US$10-15 million on the project since 1995 and intends to give US$1 million to Afghan charities in 1998.

August After U.S. missile strikes against Afghanistan, Unocal suspends pipeline project and asks American staff to leave.

September Environmentalists in California ask Attorney General to dissolve Unocal for crimes against humanity, the environment, and for its relationship with the Taliban.

October A Texas judge dismisses Bridas's US$15 billion suit against Unocal for preventing them developing gas fields in Turkmenistan. Judge says dispute covered by Turkmen and Afghan law, not Texas law.

November Unocal withdraws from a US$2.9 billion pipeline project to bring natural gas from Turkmenistan to Turkey.

December Citing low oil prices, concerns over Osama bin Laden, and pressure from women's groups, Unocal withdraws from Afghan pipeline consortium. Unocal also announces a 40 percent drop in capital spending for 1999 because of low oil prices.
1999

January Turkmenistan's foreign minister visits Pakistan; says pipeline project still alive.

February Carlos Bulgheroni, co-chairman of Bridas, visits Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, and Russia for talks with leaders.

March Turkmenistan's Foreign Minister Sheikh Muradov meets with Mullah Omar in Kandahar to discuss pipeline.

April Pakistan, Turkmenistan, and Taliban sign agreement to revive pipeline project.

May Taliban delegation signs agreements with Turkmenistan to buy gas and electricity.


http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/pipeline_timeline.htm

[G_j]

4. amazing isn't it?

I thought it was interesting that he mentions the Sibel Edmonds' connection.

"Well, it was in March 2001 that we found out what they were hiding. And from that point forward, this whole story has taken on a whole new complexion. 9/11 was kind of a ping on the radar. Some of the people we found that were involved in the melting down of U.S. companies are the same people that Sibel Edmonds found as being directly involved in the financing the execution of 9/11. That’s when things started going ping, okay?"

[seemslikeadream]

6. Has anyone heard a word about Bridas from Bush

– Cheney or the 9-11 Commission? No? Wonder why? Cover up!

They had to “get policy” to fit the “desired objective”, i.e, $7.34 trillion oil + natural gas and controlled by major Bush Backers. How?


September 11, 2001
They needed a “diversion” so America would not be focused on Afghanistan, that pipeline, the 9-11 link, because the Taliban would not renege on its deal with Bridas. How?
Iraq, WMD lies, Imminent Threat lies, Saddam – Al Qaeda lies, The Office of Special Plans at the Pentagon, aka: The Lie Factory.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_40 5.html

Who stood to gain from 9-11?
Major Bush Backers and their interests in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, all by simply removing Taliban and Bridas (and blame it on somebody else).
Who stood to lose from 9-11?
The Taliban, Bridas Corporation, Our Soldiers, American Citizens and Consumers enslaved to a Major Bush Backer “Oil and Gas Policy” and the Unmitigated Greed driven by that policy.
Now that you know the name Bridas and Bridas is from Argentina………
It is much easier to understand why our self-proclaimed Emperor George of GWOT wanted a new CIA division just for Argentina in case they decided to step out of line and TELL ALL.

9-11 Commission covered up in
Conflicts of Interest
Fred Fielding is a board member of Committee for Justice along with M. Diane Allbaugh, an energy lobbyist (Texas) and wife of former Bush – Cheney 2000 Campaign Manager Joe Allbaugh. Just before the Iraq invasion Mr. Allbaugh left as head of FEMA to set up New Bridge Strategies to represent those that wanted to “get in” on the multi-billion rebuilding of Iraq. http://www.newbridgestrategies.com/bios.asp Supposedly, FEMA had a team arrive in NYC on September 10, 2001 and were “first on scene”.
Jamie Gorelick sits on the boards of two companies directly benefiting from Bush – Cheney policy, one oil related (Schlumberger), one defense related (United Technologies), not to mention her prior position as General Counsel of the Department of Defense while the Bridas “mugging” was in progress. Christine Todd Whitman. Former Bush EPA head, sits on the United Technologies board too. What environmental policy?
Richard Ben Veniste , Partner Mayer Brown, Rowe & Maw should have never been appointed to the 9-11 Commission except to cover up Bridas and Caspian related matters. The fingerprints of his law firm are all over Pakistan and the Caspian deals, and even a blunt instrument to keep Bridas tied up while they were going to be breached with military force. Just waiting on 9-11 and hoping no one figures out the role his firm is playing on all sides of the deal.
Tim Roemer accepted campaign funds from Van Scoyoc Associates, a firm that represents SAIC, Advanced Power Systems Intl, Citigroup, Bechtel, Fluor, and Unocal. He also accepted funds from Carlyle Group, Chevron, Texaco, Citigroup that is leading many loan deals with OPIC guarantees. His former contributors, relationships, are benefiting by the removal of the Taliban and Bridas.
Thank you Lee Hamilton, Bob Kerrey and Slade Gorton for not looking like Texas hound dogs with ticks and fleas.
There is a word that fits what Bush – Cheney and this Commission have done and are doing. That word is -
DESPICABLE

Not a word out of the 9-11 Commission…
about Bridas and all of the players conspiring to get them out of the way and get control of the $7.34+ TRILLION in oil and even more in natural gas.

Not a word out of the 9-11 Commission…
about how Bridas, Taliban, Caspian oil and gas, Pakistan, Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline and September 11, 2001 are INSEPARABLE and many U.S. and UK Caspian Players who wanted 9-11 to happen so the attack would be condoned by American Citizens.
Not a word out of the 9-11 Commission…
about how our use of military force was needed to “breach the contract” & get this deal under the control of Bush – Cheney and their rich bastard friends that care more about oil, gas & money than human life.
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=365

[Stone_Spirits]

10. 'connecting dots'

there is so much information available, so many dots already connected,
this should be an irresistible treasure chest for an investigative reporter/journalist.

thanks for your awesome contributions to this thread

[G_j]

11. yes, thanks seemslikeadream

this is definately getting bookmarked

[louis-t]

5. Wow, long!

But ve-r-r-r-ry interesting.

[seemslikeadream]

7. Priscilla Owen

from your link

One of the things — I got a phone call from Austin, Texas, from someone reported to be a senior aid to Karen Hughes on the same day Birdas won down in New Orleans, Sept. 9, 2003. The phone call was about Global Crossing. When you read chapter 14 of my book, there’s a taped transcript of that conversation. You’ll see what I’m talking about, to what extent certain people are above the law and who we come across that were plundering a lot of these companies. It was Tom Hicks, John Mews, Richard Rainwater, Sid Bass. Those all tie right back to the Bush family. And she (the person on the phone) wanted to know, “And you’re telling me, you’re going to file a RICO against a couple of the president’s friends?” And I said, “That’s exactly what I’m telling you.” Grab this. It was Priscilla Owen.


ICONOCLAST: Who is that?


SCHWARZ: She’s what most people in Texas consider that wacko Supreme Court judge tried to nominate in the 5th Circuit. Two years later, she still hasn’t been confirmed.

[seemslikeadream]

9. Tom Hicks Vice Chair of Clear Channel sure has tricked you DU'ers!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1180422

The Bush Organized Crime Family
starting at post # 99
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=875102

[DireStrike]

8. I can't help but wonder if any of this ties in with Ukraine.

It certainly looks like we're getting "our" way, all over the place these days. Wasn't there something about caspian oil in the Ukraine, and about whether Russia would have access?

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Amazing

Especially this part: <“Did we just get preemptively attacked and they do not want us to know that? Or, did we attack ourselves so the attack on the Taliban was justified so Bush Buddies could get their oil deals and oil pipelines?"> He just comes right out and asks the question. I remember reading on the website Review 911 that one of the young men who were suspected on attacking the towers was a college student in California and a couple years before the attack someone stole his ID and some other information. When it happened he turned that into the local police but I don't think he even got a reply. It's on the site http://www.911review.org I've been trying to get to the site but it isn't working for me. :shrug: Maybe someone else here can try it.

[Sterling]

13. kick

nt

[Al-CIAda]

14. Audio-

Audio interviews-
Sibel Edmonds is discussed and is an integral part of the Karl Schwarz story as well...
NATIONAL INTEL REPORT
Thu., January 13, 2005: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3s: Hr1 Hr2)
Guests: 1st Hour - Karl Schwarz (www.KarlSchwarz.com)
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt05.html

Thu., January 27, 2005: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3s: Hr1 Hr2)
Guests: 1st Hour - Karl Schwarz (www.KarlSchwarz.com)
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Stadt05.html

[Elwood P Dowd]

16. Kick (eom)

[radwriter0555]

18. HEY, they catch on QUICK!

Good for them.

I been saying so for 5 years now.

[Karenina]

19. Kick!

:kick:

[Disturbed]

20. The Pres. of Afghanustab is ...

a former official of Unical. Just a coincidence, of course.

[G_j]

21. of course.... n/t

[radwriter0555]

22. Oh sure! Total and complete coincidence......He really IS a leader

qualified to manage oil deals er I mean run a country.

[Karenina]

23. And he walks the streets of Kabul

greeting citizens and getting their input DAILY!!!

[indepat]

24. I've thought all along the Patriot Acts were all about quelling internal

dissent and almost nothing about ferreting out real terrorists. Thankfully this long-time arch-conservative has validated my take on the Patriot Acts and so much more.

[ewagner]

25. Is it my imagination?

Or is information being spread more and more about the Saudi/Bin Laden connection; the pipeline connection....

Everything is getting published in more and more mainstream press.


Will it reach critical mass? Soon? Ever?

[Just Me]

26. ZOWIE!!! We need more "iconoclasic" news media!!!

I hope Mr. Schwarz is able to make his way through all the media circuits!!! :bounce:

[Vox_Reason]

27. Many of us have suspected much of this stuff for years.

When will these crooks ever be brought to justice? When will their crimes be revealed in a Nixonian way so that everyone can see how corrupt they are? When will the frog-marching begin? When will misguidedly righteous wingnuts be forced to confront the fact that they have been steadfastly supporting and defending a bunch of profiteering criminals who have been using wedge issues they don't care about in order to build support for their looting?

I've asked wingnuts many times--what would be the straw that would break the camel's back? What would it take to get you wingnuts to begin to ask questions? Where's the threshold?? LIHOP? MIHOP? Even beyond that?

I really wonder--if it came out that Chimpy, TurdBlossom and several dozen other lesser toadies were getting hummers from GannonGuckert on a regular basis, would Chimpy's support erode all that much? I hate to say it, but I kinda doubt it. BushCo's base would eat the obvious hypocrisy and abandonment of principle and deny, obfuscate, and deflect.

Scumbags.

[Just Me]

28. KICK!!!

[LunaC]

29. "Did we attack ourselves?"

YUP - That's pretty much my take on it but the anti-LIHOP/MIHOP crowd continues to put their hands over their ears saying "la-la-la-la" to themselves. Here are the facts and the timeline:

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm

Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html

Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

In June 2001 the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense was changed. NORAD’s military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary and PNAC-member, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/for_the_record_ashley.pdf


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked as Rumsfeld sat passive and unresponsive. The finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell. Pakistan's ISI also had a long-standing working relationship with the CIA.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=8830
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266317,00.html



There's more - lots more - here: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php?title=PNAC_101&printable=yes

[dfgrbac]

30. I wrote about this a couple of years ago.

In 2002, I read the book THE WAR ON FREEDOM by Nafeez M. Ahmed which puts the same facts together. After reading the book, I started writing a series of articles at E-The People, the first of which was The significance of Afghanistan.

It is good that more and more, the truth is coming out - finally.

[G_j]

34. good read

indeed

thanks for contibuting to the thread!

[Old and In the Way]

31. Have we suffered enough yet?

When is the rest of the reality deniers going to face the facts. The Bush family is brokering our future well-being for their financial benefit.

This all started back on 11/22/63.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Indeed. The day Karzai was "appointed" head of Afghanistan

I knew what was going on...without any doubt. Karzai/Unocal/Bush/Cheney....all connected. Karzai would cater to their every whim and has.

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35. a few more snips

SCHWARZ: But at the same time, (the RNC) is fundamentally a sellout to big corporatization of our government. And I don’t agree with that because corporatization of our government is teetering right on the edges of fascism. And I think if you look at the Bush administration, you’ll see a lot of elements of fascism, intolerance, shouting people down, stomping people down, and justifications of any type of wacky policies.
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ICONOCLAST: So what you’re saying is that now that they’ve plundered the capital markets, they’re going after Social Security?


SCHWARZ: Right, they’ve already done it to the steel industry, the telecoms, the ISPs, the wireless companies. Hell, even Samsonite. I mean, I could show you a nightmare regarding Samsonite, of all things. What is there in luggage that’s worth $500 million worth of theft?

But these people are plundering the investor markets, and what’s happened is that they’ve been so egregious in their conduct that, you know, they can’t even begin to get people to open up those checkbooks any more. Now they want people investing into SS because that is your nest egg. But they have changed certain things in our laws regarding stock fraud, RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) Act, truth in advertising, you know, when they file their FCC statements. I mean, you can basically say, “Hey, I’m an ISP, and I know how to deliver sex to you over the IP. Blah blah blah.” And you can sit there and make the most egregious comments in the world about what you can do over fiber optic and down at the bottom, if you put a disclaimer, you haven’t done anything wrong. You just tell your people, “Oh, due to this is a miraculous breakthrough, we’re going to quadruple our revenues next year. And our payout to you shareholders is going to quadruple.” People buy that.

But what they’ve also done is made bankruptcy laws to where shareholders have no rights. That changed in 1994. It started under George W.’s father, and they finally got it pushed through under Clinton. They are using our bankruptcy courts as a haven for fraud. That’s where I’ve been squared off with them since 2000.
When I hear George Bush utter the words “rule of law” and I know that his buddies are melting a lot of these companies down and taking them away from the shareholders, I just want to gag.

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[clem_c_rock]

36. But, but, but I thought it was about democracy and rights for woman

And getting back at that nasty Mulla Omar.

And all you crazy people who think Osama Bin ladin, w/ his failing kidneys, didn't do 911 - shut up!!