rathergate.com!

Heh, heh-heh.

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Mike Krempasky: "I've been using Roger Stone's email system for one of my California statewide campaigns."

Guess ol' Roger-Dodger's email system sucks, but that ain't the point.

We have a connection.

speel it owt for uz pleeze...

dp

and not new news after all:

http://surrealcafe.motime.com /

About half way down is an article on it.

But Mike Krempasky does use Roger Stone's emailing system. How he got it, who knows. It shouldn't be hard to make a connection to Krempasky, to Buckhead, to Stone.

Interesting find. I notice that "rathergate" was created BEFORE there WAS any type of "rathergate", did you notice that? As though this was in place for the impending smack down of Rather. The phone number for the contact is actually a CAB company!! Hmmmmmmm...

That's what I thought at first, but the 60 Minutes report was on the 8th, wasn't it? rathergate.com was created on the 9th, it looks like. Can they change those numbers? It's possible they just added rathergate.com to an already established domain.

in '2004' thread. Olberman says it is more of a bounce than * got out of his convention!!!

The ISP? American Target Advertising?

American Target is Richard Viguerie's operation.

-MR

Okay, looked him up. He's a Judicial Watch type, also connected to Scaife. If this guy registered that domain name, "rathergate" BEFORE there WAS a so-called "rathergate", then this merits more research. YOu'd think they'd be smarter than that.. but sometimes it's the details that slip you up.

n/t

Philalethes over at Atrios posted this tidbit from an old WaPo article:

<i>Richard A. Viguerie, the conservative fund-raiser, said: "In order to accomplish what we want politically, <b>there is going to have to be a change in the media." Viguerie said he is involved in an entirely separate venture with a group of "substantial" conservatives who have hired financial specialists to find prospective print and television media targets to buy or take over</b>.

In the case of Fairness in Media, just days after the November election, one man, Thomas F. Ellis, the backroom architect of Helms' rise to political power, <b>conceived of the attack on CBS</b> as a way to capitalize on President Reagan's landslide victory and on Helms come-from-behind drive to win a third term in the Senate.
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... more on an attempted takeover 20 years ago of CBS by Jesse Helms and friends at the link:

http://www.ferris.edu/isar/Institut/pioneer/Helms.htm

Good work.

http://www.fair.org /

Be forewarned though that they will criticize either side. And that is good.

fair.org is NOT the same as "Fairness in Media", which is a conservative group formerly associated with Jesse Helms.

They are also mentioned on another right-wing web site called ratherbiased.com Link

fair.org is about the attempted, and succeeding, corporate takeover of the media.

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.e.htm#ellis

The Pioneer Fund served as a small part of "a multimillion dollar political empire of corporations, foundations, political action committees and ad hoc groups" active in 1980s (Washington Post, March 31, 1985, p. 1; A16) developed by Tom Ellis, Harry Weyher, Marion Parrott, Carter Wrenn and Jesse Helms. The Fund has served as a nexus between academic theory and practical political ideology. It's leadership, especially, Harry Weyher, Thomas F. Ellis and Marion A. Parrott are part of an interlocking set of directorates and associates linking the Pioneer Fund to Jesse Helms' high-tech political machine. Ellis, for example, simultaneously served as Chairman of the National Congressional Club and the Coalition for Freedom, co-founder of Fairness in Media, a board member of the Educational Support Foundation and Director of the Pioneer Fund.

Recipients of Pioneer grants have included most of the leading Anglo-American academic race-scientists of the last several decades have been funded by the Pioneer, including William Shockley, Hans J. Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, Roger Pearson, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, R. Travis Osborne, Linda Gottfredson, Robert A. Gordon, Daniel R. Vining, Jr., Michael Levin, and Seymour Itzkoff - all cited in The Bell Curve.

<snip>

The Congressional Club began after the 1972 Senate campaign, when Ellis retained Richard Viguerie (CNP) to help pay off the Helms campaign debt. Ellis and Viguerie built the Congressional Club mailing list to more than 300,000 regular contributors -- a constituency for Helms and a major financial resource within the conservative movement... Besides Viguerie, Phillips {Howard Phillips}, and Dolan {John T. (Terry) Dolan} connections, Helms is actively represented in Weyrich's {Paul Weyrich} coordinating groups.


This Ellis stuff is all a generation back now, but the same names do coming around. For example, note the mention of Terry Dolan -- the childhood buddy and longtime associate of Roger Stone whose name is being tossed around in connection with the origin of the CBS memos.

(There's also a Thomas F. Ellis III currently associated with the Carlyle Group -- would he be a son of this one?)

dp

does. It could just be a coincidence or maybe it's not.

703-333-3333 Isn't that what's on the WHOIS for that site?? THink I'll try it.. Okay, It's the phone number to RED TOP CAB.. a nice lady dispatcher answered the phone. Her name was Eleanor.

I'm one of these folks that only has one number - a cell. Not going in the WHOIS registry, that one.

But that reminds me, I do owe an apology to RedTop - just threw in some numbers, never thought it would end up a real number.

Is that really you?

How 'bout saving us all a lot of time and trouble and tell us the common denominator between you, the Swift Boat people, and "rathergate"? Is it freerepublic.com?

Sure, the common denominator is liberal bashing, but can you narrow it down for us?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214580/posts

I just read something about that like two days ago (wish I had the article) Asscrack's DOJ is apparently trying to crack down on website owners and wants full transparency!

These people aren't intelligent enough to keep this a secret. Stone was all over tv because the Bush family ordered him to... James Baker is probably callng the shots again, as he did when he ordered Stone to Florida to work the recount riot. Remember, Stone's ex-wife owns a GRAPHICS company in Florida, thru which he's run money.. and graphics.. hmmm.. like reproducing an document to look old? Hmmmmm...

http://www.nationalreview.com/daily/nrprint113000.html

National Review
11/30/00 5:10 p.m.

The coverage of the Republican protests in Florida has been reminiscent of the coverage nine years ago of pro-life demonstrations in Wichita, Kansas. The anchors kept talking about "a tense situation here tonight in Wichita," but anyone who looked around could see a scene about as tense as a church picnic — perhaps because most of the protestors were the sort of people who go to church picnics.

In USA Today a few days ago, Marilyn Adams offered a sterling example of the genre headlined "Voices, vitriol rise as dispute becomes 'war.'" A few of the adjectives deployed: "nasty," "disturbing," "ugly," "alarming." Tempers were thin, zeal was competitive, cliches were strewn about like chads after a Democratic handcount. She asks Abe Bonowitz, an "anti-death-penalty activist" and Gore supporter, if he feels "nervous about being outnumbered." (By the way, to say that Bonowitz is an activist is a bit of an understatement — unlike most of the Republicans there, he has a sizable arrest record).

Michael Krempasky, one of the Republicans who went to Florida to help the Bush campaign, says he was standing by Adams and Bonowitz during their interview.

9/10?? LONG before this story fell apart!!! Keep digging DUers. 9/10!!! That's how many days ago??? 12 days.. long before there was even a hint of Rathergate.

X

Strange... or not, depending.

And not by me.

PoliPundit was the first to use the phrase, best I can tell. If someone else deserves credit, I'm happy to give it to them.

You can see the PoliPundit post here: http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=3842

If you like, I'm sure I can find a lot of bloggers that gave credit to that site as well.

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no one's that sloppy. Is this a setup?

the whois database. Is that where you got it?

1. Date of creation 9/10
2. Date of update 9/13
3. Recent update 9/20

How would someone take upon themselves to create a "rathergate" website less than 48 hours after the original broadcast? The ISP is owned by a Judicial Watch.. Scaife guy. The guy that owns the domain is a well known republican blogger.. based in Virginia.. Which seems to support legions of political fringers who are supported financial by the darkworld of GOP.

Friday, September 10, 2004
Rathergate.
Ah, some typography humor to break up the griminess of the current election season. Thanks Polipundit! I ran across that while looking for commentary about last night's "Nightline," which I TiVo'd because I'd heard they were going to cover the forgery story. I thought it was a bit laughable that instead of covering that breaking story in depth, they just merged it into the general theme of negative campaigning. Oh, everyone's so bad that we all just want to look away. Please look away, now, please! Oh, Nightline! At least the Times and the Post are looking straight at this ... which they would do whether bloggers leaned on them or not. Right?

UPDATE: More forgery humor here. Very funny! (Via Instapundit.)
posted by Ann Althouse at 8:01 AM

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2004/09/rathergate.html

(The "th" in "Rathergate" is superscripted)

I really can't figure it out.. why were people already discussing "rathergate"?? When the story was still fresh.

I really can't figure it out.. why were people already discussing "rathergate"?? When the story was still fresh.

Thu - September 9, 2004

Fontgate...


(the above is a .jpg ???)

CBS's 'gotcha' documents are not real??? Interesting.

Update: I just went and typed on 5 different typewriters. Can't get the 'th' to go superscript. Talked with a secretary who has used typewriters since 1954. She said, "I have never seen a typewriter that can do that." Interesting, very interesting.
--So within 12 hours or so of the broadcast, this person "typed on 5 different typewriters" and talked to a secretary about the "th"??? He/she was certainly busy!!! How many DUers attempted to find just one typewriter from that era???

Update II: Just looked at my DD-214 and DD-256 from when I got out of the USAF in 1985 (when I get home I will look at more docs... Looked and what I say applies.). Both have even spacing between words/numbers and both look like they were done on a typewriter. On both documents there is 'on the 21st day' and the 'st' is on the same level as the numbers. Hmmm...

Update III: Related here and here and here. Even more here and here. More.

Update IV: LGF gives it a try.

Update V: CBS admits they have no idea where the documents came from? Dan's office? I am just asking, dang.

Update VI: WOW! Powerline has been linked by Drudge:

(more)
http://homepage.mac.com/sbooneaz/iblog/C1090174771 /

--Posted at 10:47 AM

So a jpeg of "Rather'sGate" was available before noon on the 9th? Any importance?

This indicates that the whole thing is a setup designed to destroy CBS as a trusted news source.

We have been able to tie the Swifties to Rove for a month at least--ever since the New York Times chart of SBVT connections was released. (Rove is on it.) It shouldn't be hard to tie these folks to Rove as well.

Here's how it is done:

1. We know that the freeper Buckhead has worked with Kenneth Starr.
2. The most direct line here is to tie Starr to Rove, which shouldn't be hard. http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/behindsbv.htm should help.
3. Once we tie Rove into Starr, from there we can prove that the White House is running all of the anti-Kerry 527 groups.

FEC Complaint Filed Against CBS and Kerry
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/23/153054.sht...

The Center for Individual Freedom today filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission charging CBS and Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign with illegal coordination.

The two Democrat organizations "violated federal campaign finance laws when they colluded to attack President Bush based on claims and documents now believed to be fake," the center announced from Alexandria, Va.


The juicy part is that CFIF turns out to have been intimately associated with Ken Starr and Harry MacDougald (Buckhead) in a recent suit against campaign finance reform. This is from CFIF's own site:

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_i...

On March 27, 2002, President George W. Bush – privately, without ceremony or even a publicly released photograph – signed into law the bill commonly referred to as "campaign finance reform"– the most extensive and insidious assault on political speech ever ventured in the U.S.

Lawsuits were filed immediately, most prominently by U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who has for years spearheaded the vigorous and articulate opposition to this misguided legislation in Congress.

<snip>

A distinguished legal team of constitutional and federal election law attorneys, led by Kenneth W. Starr, has been assembled by Senator McConnell, who anticipates the addition of a wide variety of co-plaintiffs. The Center for Individual Freedom will be one of those, and will be represented by the Southeastern Legal Foundation.

The Southern Legal Foundation, of course, is the group of which Harry MacDougald is on the legal advisory board, and he was one of their attorneys for this suit. See http://www.jamesmadisoncenter.org/McConellvsFEC/docket.... for the filing with Starr's and MacDougald's names.


These people just can't help themselves, can they?

So MacDougald has a vested interest in this and stands to gain more than a little political pat on the back!

Nice work!

a gentle prod

please start a new thread.
link to the new and in the new a link back to the original.

this info could build into many more threads.

thanks
dp

You want to do this? Go for it.

I posted the CFIF/MacDougald connection there three hours ago, and mine was the last post on the thread. That's why I repeated the information over here and didn't bother linking. However, if there's interest in continuing the topic, probably better to kick that other thread up than to start a new one. It's in LBN at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Whatever keeps it going then.

link below, with a new thread link provided.
i alerted a mod to lock this one and point to another, that was already started, posted below.
i asked in ATA.
no luck

i guess i'm on universal ignore.

maybe you could try. Links already set, see post #146 below.
i give up.
dialup sux


peace,
dp

I found an interesting comment from the website owner:

U"SA Today on bloggers
Filed under: General— Mike @ 6:02 pm
A nice article on blogging and the CBS scandal today in USA Today. Predictably, they put rathergate.com in far too prominent a place. It hardly “led” anything. Just a catchy domain name, is all. That said, the idea of a screenshot from this site in the print edition is wicked cool. "

Ah gee, shucks, Mike.. you HARDLY LED the thing, did you? Only registering that "catchy" name less than 48 hours after the first broadcast... wow.. like a psychic or something. I also gleaned that he was referred to as a "shadowy republican operative" by Olbermann.

very quickly. Can't fault them for that. Have to give them kudos, actually. And it doesn't in any way mean they were directly involved in the forging of the Buckhead documents. However, all of them so far, from the SwiftBoat people to the rathergate people, have freerepublic in common.

The site he put up is quite professional. He works for a company that has ties to Scaife. I guess my point is that the term "rathergate" was created before any real shit had hit the fan about the memos... just as "Buckhead" was too quick to blast his posts to FR. I'm convinced this was a setup... and all of these people are playing a role in taking down Dan Rather... and diverting attention away from the fact that Bush did not fulfill his service obligations. Actually, I don't care about the Bush stuff right now, I care about the setup.

But the site was setup after Drudge printed something about it:

http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Styl...

That one doesn't list the Drudge time. This one does:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/0...

Lots of keywords in both though.

No wonder ALLAHPUNDIT.COM wanted to remain anonymous.

ALLAHPUNDIT.COM and littlegreenfootballs.com are the same person/organization.

Hopefully everyone is digging rather than harassing them though.

.. I'm just researching as much as I can, looking for connections. I would never go to other sites and post anything.. they feel free to pull our posts out of context and call us filthy names... apparently, I'm an "asshole" because I'm asking questions.

In case it's because of the harassment, that was only in response to their complaint about the phone numbers in the whois posts at rathergate.com. Anyone who wanted to could whois for themselves, but they cried about it.

Didn't mean to single you out.

I was quoting someone on Kampresky's blog, who referred to me as an "asshole". No one here did that.. I realize I didn't write that clearly enough. I was just noting here that I'm in this for the research thrill, not to take on the great unwashed over at that guys' site. That's what I meant to say.. the internet is hard that way.

Just wanted to clear it up just in case.

It is pointless to try to talk to them. But you know that now

I was quoting someone on Kampresky's blog, who referred to me as an "asshole". No one here did that.. I realize I didn't write that clearly enough. I was just noting here that I'm in this for the research thrill, not to take on the great unwashed over at that guys' site. That's what I meant to say.. the internet is hard that way.

This sounds like some real,real fishy shit.


And if you don't know who Stone is:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Roger_J._S... .

http://www.falloutshelternews.com/WhoIsRogerStone.html


David

.. but I found it attributed to a Douglas Lorenz... he's a Republican in California who was all over the Davis recall. I'm not sure where the original poster found it.. or where he's gone since he posted. Do you sometimes think that there are people who pop up here on DU with info we'd like to have, that are sort of pointing us in the right direction??? The email system doesn't look to be that conclusive. I AM, however, interested in how this Krempasky guy KNEW to register that name on the 10th. WHO told him that this would blow up on Rather?? NO ONE but the people who perpetrated the scam would know... even if Rather had simply done the story and pissed off the GOP faithful, that would NOT be called "rathergate", it would be called "firerather" or something. No.. this smells very badly.. and the company listed on the WHO IS is connected with none other than Scaife, who has been involved with other things to take Kerry down.

I'm not letting them win...

with setting people up to destroy them.

I was driving home on Friday night and it struck me that I had read Powerline, polipundit, and perhaps a national review post with that term - and it seemed pretty catchy so I registered the domain. Frankly, I was stunned that no one else had already.

If you followed the Powerline post "61st Minute", I think it was called - it was VERY clear early on this was going to be a big story.

Sure is a funny set of circumstances around all of this....


David

Haven't checked the whois database yet, got to go but I'll be back.

..read his blog, and tell me why he's here claiming NOT to be conservative. That's sorta embarrassing for him.

He's not denying that. Obviously a freeper would want to bring Rather down and connect it to the Kerry campaign if they can.

Our job is to keep looking for connections between them all and connect the forgeries to the Bush admin if we can.

From Google Groups -- posting to alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22Mike+Krempasky&hl...

Keyes 2000 Weekly Update - April 6, 1999

<snip>

April 1999 Schedule of Events:

<snip>

4/7/92 Wednesday evening {this is an error for 4/7/99}

University of Richmond
Camp Concert Hall Booker Hall of Music
Richmond, VA
Please call Mike Krempasky for more details

http://www.krempasky.com/wordpress/

I believe it was to deflect attention from the release of Kitty Kelley's book. The White House wanted to prevent the release of the book but could not. Question: If it could not derail the publication, how could it prevent people from discussing it? Answer: Create a scandal that would consume all the political oxygen up until the debates. Rathergate?

You have come up with some technical tips pointing to the when -- I am suggesting the why. Does it fit?

This is the pattern of Bush*/Rove when something very politically provocative is about to break against them -- create a smoke screen to obliterate it. Hence, Rathergate.

What do you think?

...right after the "60 minutes" report.

Wasn't the White House alerted to the story by CBS, but had no comment?

There appears to be a good deal of activity that occurred in the hours following that report (see post 33) for it to be simply a response to the broadcast. And as one DUer pointed out, all before anyone realized there was a "Rather'sGate"

It was a set-up from the beginning -- the brainchild of Rove. They are laughing hysterically over it.

But a part of me is disappointed to think this because if it's true, we played right into their hands -- as we did in the 2000 election. An excellent book detailing the scandals of the Bush* family has been published, pre-screened by four different lawyers. We are not discussing the provocative details. We are in fact participating in a debate set up to distract us.

I hope the people on the trail of the "when" continue to point out these technical tips as to the establishment of the commentary on the documents, but I hope we can multi-task and examine the Kelley book at the same time. After all, we can't let Rove win, can we?

- obviously, hide the truth about Bush's service failures.
- intimidate any media thinking about exposing Bush.
- pay CBS back for exposing Abu Ghraib.

and...

http://www.opednews.com/hartmann_092104_tongues.htm

Thanks!

media outlet that reported the Isreali spy story on the night it came out- the next
day it was everywhere, surely they all had access to it at the same.
As we've all noticed it's now as quiet as a mouse...

about the TRULY forged Niger documents that Bush used to take us into war??? There are moles inside every news organization... I think I go for that story more readily.

I'll bet he weasel-words any and every response.

If anybody's e-mailed him and gotten a response, post it -- bet it'll be amusing.

I found this yesterday searching for something else. It's the affiliations of the 9/11 Commission in detail.. Oil, Oil, Oil, pipelines..

It's from Washingtonian Magazine...Scroll down on the link when you get there for 9/11 Commission.

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RICHARD BEN-VENISTE. Former Watergate prosecutor, now partner in Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw, an international law firm with headquarters in Chicago and London. The firm’s clients include ExxonMobil, British Petroleum, Alliance Pipeline, Union Carbide, Kuwait Refinery, and Indonesia IPP.

FRED FIELDING. Former deputy White House counsel under Richard Nixon; name partner at Wiley Rein & Fielding. As special counsel to the Bush-Cheney transition team, he helped prepare Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld for confirmation hearings. Fielding’s partner Bert Rein was in charge of international aviation policy at the State Department. Besides Time Warner, Gannett, and United Parcel Service, Wiley Rein clients include Spirit Airlines, Philips Electronics, UNOCAL, the Kansas City Southern Railroad, Intelsat, and Motorola.

JAMIE GORELICK. Former deputy attorney general under Bill Clinton, former Fannie Mae executive, now partner at Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale & Dorr. In addition to the Washington Post, the National Association of Broadcasters, Time Warner, Bayer AG, Yahoo, and Fannie Mae, the firm’s clients include Boeing and Deutsche Bank. Gorelick also sits on the boards of United Technologies and Schlumberger, both with big stakes in Iraqi reconstruction.

SLADE GORTON. Former US senator, now partner in Seattle-based Preston Gates & Ellis, which has one of the most prominent lobbying operations in DC. (The Gates in Preston Gates is the father of Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft.) Besides Microsoft, Amway, Starbucks, and Verizon, the firm’s clients include the Air Transport Association, Southwest Airlines, Delta Airlines, the Port of Seattle, Burlington Northern Railroad, and Wells Fargo Bank.

LEE HAMILTON. A nonpracticing lawyer, this former member of Congress and chair of the House Foreign Affairs and Intelligence committees is president of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and a member of President Bush’s Homeland Security Advisory Council. Companies that fund the Woodrow Wilson Center include Aramco Services, Archer Daniels Midland, AT&T, BP North America, Boeing, ChevronTexaco, ExxonMobil, Fannie Mae, Lockheed Martin, News Corporation, and Occidental Petroleum.

JAMES THOMPSON. Former Illinois governor, now chair of Chicago-based corporate law behemoth Winston & Strawn. The firm’s clients include American Airlines, General Electric, Caterpillar, and the New York City Industrial Development Authority. Thompson is a director of Hollinger International, the Canadian-based company that owns the Chicago Sun-Times and the Jerusalem Post.
The Nonlawyers

THOMAS KEAN. Former governor of New Jersey, now president of Drew University. An educator by profession, Kean is a descendant of one of America’s oldest families, the Stuyvesants, and a distant cousin of Theodore Roosevelt. Kean serves on the boards of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the World Wildlife Fund.

BOB KERREY. Former US senator from Nebraska, where he earlier served as governor, now president of New School University in New York. Trained as a pharmacist, the Vietnam veteran made his fortune with chains of restaurants and health clubs.

JOHN LEHMAN. Former Navy secretary under President Reagan, now chair of J.F. Lehman & Company, an investment-banking firm. Lehman served on the National Security Council under Henry Kissinger. Lehman’s firm has purchased 11 companies in recent years that specialize in naval or aerospace defense. One, Racal Industries, sells military equipment to 80 nations around the world and specializes in field-communications equipment for use in desert environments. Lehman owns interests in and serves on the board of Ball Corporation, whose aerospace division builds cooling systems for NASA. He is “senior adviser” to BNP Paribas, one of the world’s biggest international conglomerates.

TIMOTHY ROEMER. President of the Center for National Policy, a liberal think tank; former Indiana congressman and son-in-law of former Louisiana senator Bennett Johnston. Roemer once worked for Johnston’s lobby shop, whose clients include General Motors, Northrop Grumman, and Boeing. Among CNP board members: former Agriculture secretary Dan Glickman, now with the DC law firm Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, and Benjamin W. Heineman Jr., general counsel of General Electric.

Link: Scroll down...
http://www.washingtonian.com/capital_comment/jun04capco...

SLADE GORTON. Former US senator, now partner in Seattle-based Preston Gates & Ellis, which has one of the most prominent lobbying operations in DC. (The Gates in Preston Gates is the father of Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft.) Besides Microsoft, Amway, Starbucks, and Verizon, the firm’s clients include the Air Transport Association, Southwest Airlines, Delta Airlines, the Port of Seattle, Burlington Northern Railroad, and Wells Fargo Bank.

***

1) The law firm named is one that was on the other side of a voting lawsuit I am familiar with.

2) I dated Mr. Gorton's son several years ago. They kept him "in the basement" of their mansion. Nice guy. I never met Slade because Tom Jr. was kept down there.

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arch-fascist ex-editor of the American Spectator and all around effete Anglophile fop R. Emmett "Lord Douchebag" Tyrrell?

I am not directly related to R. Emmett Tyrrell, though we are both descendants of the Irish strain of that name.

After all, you're not a direct relative of Twit Boy Emmett, are you...

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Nice that you are promoting REDSTATE.org or .com on your site. I've read your site.. you ARE WAY conservative. Nice try though. One needs only read your blog, to see who you are affiliated with. AND.. the company listed on your WHOIS is owned by a fellow who is in with Judicial Watch, and Scaife. Did you think we wouldn't read your blog?

http://www.krempasky.com/wordpress / Let's see if the DUers can spot your conservative bent in less than 5 seconds! How about on your Rathergate site. Are you really coming here and trying to pretend you're apolitical or even more preposterous, liberal?

Frankly. Must be kinda worried if you're slumming over here with us.. nice that you folks are monitoring DU. Who told you? Someone on FreeRepublic? They LOVE to read our posts.. even if they often have large words in them.

Why would someone float the word: Rathergate immediately after his broadcast? WHy would you, just a humble old citizen of the world, choose to not just register that name, but run a campaign to OUST Dan Rather? It's one thing to simply register a name because you're greedy, and hope that someone will pay you off to own it.. it's entirely another thing to build a site immediately trying to take down a journalist.

Say hi to Roger and his kinky wife for us!!

>I won't tell you I'm not a conservative,......

In other words, he's saying he is a conservative. Double negative. It cancels each other.

emerge that the documents were fake. Seems a timeline is in order.

here's Mike in another threadhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vi...

Buckhead works for:

http://www.wcsr.com/FSL5CS/Custom/home.asp

I think. And they have a manual on what you can get away with, or reasons to sue, when it comes to political broadcasts:

Womble Carlyle Political Broadcast Manual (PDF)

Carlyle? Might be coincidence.

Roger Stone's Ikon Public Affairs is more like a consulting firm, a lot like what the Political Broadcast Manual talks about. It is all image and information war. It's no wonder they have been so effective since they have been building this network since the Nixon years.

However, does

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-wfsection+article+...

have close ties to Free Republic? Roger Stone's Ikon Public Affairs is well listed there.

To really understand all of this, someone would have to take a year solid and write a book. I'm only interested in this election for comparatively trivial reasons.

.. the research on this stuff thrills me. I find your tidbits fascinating on this thread... keep 'em coming! This is like one, loosely woven spider web, and we're inching our way to the center.

Looks like Mike got tombstoned? His message is gone.. He may have made an error coming here, trying to plead his case. I have no doubt he's "ritwinger" from the Freerepublic post on this thread. His claim that he only registered the name because it seemed like a good idea is total BS. Otherwise, he wouldn't have run with it and promoted it. Just as "buckhead" wouldn't have stoked things over at FR. Oh, the "carlyle" thing, how could that not be a coincidence.. such an odd spelling.

i had to search DU to find it, link to Viguerie, but no response on thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

who are these 'texans' that are suddenly posting here?

dp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

keep it up

dp

..who is linked to Scaife. Shocking, I tell you.. shocking! Not. I think their specialty is getting their underlings to do dirty work for them...

"Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, a lawyer by profession, Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of Richard Viguerie."

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/showflat/cat/WorldNew


I posted that -- I was out Googling a lot yesterday on the New Right. My general conclusion was that Viguerie is closely linked to the Young Republic/dirty tricks/Karl Rove wing of the New Right. Scaife is much closer to the southern/racist/anti-Clinton wing -- both Harry MacDougald and many of the SwiftBoat figures have Scaife connections.

This conference was apparently in 2002. Morton Blackwell is the guy who was handing out the purple heart bandaids -- and his Leadership Institute has been one of the prime training-grounds of the New Right.

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2002/NRL06/stanf.html

Given the liberal, pro-abortion reputation of the student body, the faculty, and the surrounding area, Berkeley, California, would seem like a very unlikely location for a pro-life conference. On first thought, most people would be surprised if a critical mass of people could be found willing to devote time to promoting pro-life causes.

<snip>

On Saturday, April 20, over 60 Bay Area college and high school students were in attendance for the last day of the conference. After the welcome the students attended a series of workshops designed to give them the skills to more effectively promote the pro-life cause.

These included a workshop on fundraising led by the Leadership Institute's Michael Krempasky, a workshop on organizing a pro-life lecture by Michael New of Stanford Students for Life, a workshop by Monika Rodman from the Diocese of Oakland on pro-life responses to "pro-choice" arguments, and finally a workshop led by Jennie Youngblood of First Resort Pregnancy Consulting.


On edit -- see also, from 1999:
http://www.longwood.edu/news/bulletin/sept13_99.html

Leadership Institute September 22, 11 a.m.-1 p.m. in the Rotunda Market. Information on Public Policy careers. All majors are welcome to visit the table. Contact person is Michael Krempasky.

Trivial reasons George S? Not sure I'm buying that, but if you say so.

with Free Republic in anyway we can't see (other than the stuff over the forged document type conclusion made there?).

rathergate.com was announced at freerepublic.com. This link is above.

Posted an ad, so to speak, on FR around the 13th or so, for the site: www.rathergate.com He is recruiting people to the site to fax demands to CBS to fire Rather, etc. It's a buckhead type of post. It's the same guy that has the website, because he apologizes that they have to pay to fax CBS, because he claimed he "didn't know enough about how to broadcast fax, etc". Actually.. I think he knows better than to have faxes all coming from his site.

So.. he did use FR to further this cause of taking down Rather, as did Buckhead. Neither have profiles.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=76938

Posted by Ritwngr to Nick Thimmesch
On News/Activism 06/30/2002 9:25:31 PM PDT · 15 of 61

As an employee of the Leadership Institute, I can easily say that while we don't take a position on the legalization of marijuana or other drugs, Asa Hutchinson is a patriot, pure and simple.


The Leadership Institute is Morton Blackwell's long-time training ground for New Right dirty tricksters. Krempasky was also employed there around 1999-2002 -- see my post elsewhere in this thread.

... to read their trickster manual.

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Morton_C._...

Blackwell is "Executive director, Council for National Policy; founder and president, the Morton Blackwell Leadership Institute, a foundation which trains youg people for youth leadership; founder and chairman, Conservative Leadership PAC; Republican National Committeeman from Virginia; treasurer, Reagan Mumni Association; youngest delegate to Barry Goldwater RNC in 1964; alternative delegate for Reagan in 1968 and 1976 and a delegate in 1980; former special assistant to President Ronald Reagan on the White House staff; former staff member, Senate Republican Policy Committee; serves on the Republican National Convention's Standing Committee on Rules; former policy director, U.S. Senator Gordon J. Humphrey; overseer, 1980 Youth for Reagan effort; former editor, The NewRight Report; former contributing editor, Conservative Digest. Formerly with The Viguerie Company. Spouse: Helen R. Blackwell, Virginia state chairman, Eagle Forum; chairman, Voting Integrity Project; former member, State Central Committee, Republican Party of Virginia.

"With Paul M. Weyrich and Richard Viguerie, Blackwell met with Jerry Falwell to found the Moral Majority."

<snip>

"Morton Blackwell works with Plinio de Correa de Olivier's Tradition, Family & Property and endorsed Olivier's book, Nobility & Analagous Traditional Elites, on the necessity of restoring traditional Nobility & Elites to rule the world. In the Forward Blackwell wrote: 'One does not have to accept Papal infallibility to appreciate a case persuasively made, using theological, moral, and prudential arguments. This book will convince many readers, whatever their faith, that good elites are legitimate, desirable and, yes, necessary.' "

The man at the center of this Rather controversy, is Bill Burkett, of Texas. Another man (I assume it's not the same guy), has the name BG Burkett (same spelling) also from Texas. The second B. Burkett is famous or infamous for his book, "STOLEN VALOR", wherein the guy debunks a documentary show about Vietnam Veterans, by none other than, DAN RATHER. His book is used, also, as an attack piece against John Kerry. Same last name. Both from Texas. Bill Burkett served in the Army National Guard, the other Burkett is listed as serving in the Army. Wierd coincidence?? How many Burketts will it take to bring Rather down?

I'm just tossing this into the mix, because it perplexes me... any thoughts before this thread goes to sleep and into DU history overnight??

were written in Army lingo rather than Air Force is equally interesting.

so I'm turning out for the night. I'll definitely check here tomorrow. Maybe something will click to bring it all into a nice package.

...to news orgs. I just did to LA Times.

Everyone is about three days behind DU on this.

... has a story on Buckhead being a freeper.

The co-writer of "Unfit for Command" also is also freeper.

A blog has a detailed article on the rathergate.com/freeper connection.

I'm sure a lot of media is taking a very close look at FR right now.

We haven't found anything new, yet. Though maybe all these keywords will lead to something as DU searches.

start a list of names and check these names with what they have been involved in. Look for overlaps.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

From the Chicago Tribune: "Nowhere on Krempasky's site, however, did he disclose that he is the political director for American Target Advertising, a Virginia firm run by Richard Viguerie, the conservative strategist widely credited with inventing political direct mail and helping Ronald Reagan and numerous other Republicans get elected."

Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, a
lawyer by profession, Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of
Richard Viguerie.

Not sure if it will help here... just tossing it out.

kick

This is very important.....

They're getting "revenge" for Nixon. That's the motivation behind everything these fuckers do: Stone, Viguerie, Rove, all of them...they were so heartbroken about what happened to their hero Dick at the hands of the media, they've decided to essentially recreate the media according to their goals. This is fucking sickening. No one party in America should have this much power. Fuck, I don't even want the GREENS to have this much power!

Nixon was 40 years ago. Even if they DO lust after revenge, their REAL goal is global domination abroad and a one-party fascist state at home.

But Nixon and then Clinton is their excuse.

to Michael Moore, and Ed Shultz.
might as well get someone tossing it around...


dp

Thanks to some astute DUers, we have another great thread going on this.. it's so frustrating, like trying to reconstruct a spider web.

I'll do some more checking today, I have some other ideas about where to look that came to me last night. If this query has caught the attention of more connected people, who can connect the dots better, or have more resources, then we've done something good. If we've freaked out the freepers, that's just icing on the cake.