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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 09:06 AM
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FEMA did arrive in NYC Sept 10 2001
Edited on Fri Jul-02-04 09:06 AM by Minstrel Boy
From the always worthwhile xymphora:

Much was made about an interview by Dan Rather of a man named Tom Kennedy (actually Tom Kenney). He worked on the 9-11 rescue operation, and said FEMA had arrived in New York City late Monday night, the eve of the 9-11 attacks. If FEMA was on the scene the day before the disaster, we have the makings of a conspiracy theory. Of course, the matter was quickly explained as a mistake of dates, and almost everyone went back to sleep.

Ethel the Blog, based on the stellar work of Gregor Holland, summarizes the current state of our understanding, including the testimony of Rudy Giuliani to the 9-11 commission (isn't it odd that the only untranscribed testimony is from the man widely regarded as the hero of 9-11?), and shows that FEMA definitely did have an exercise planned for New York City on the morning of September 11. The fact that FEMA explained away Kenney's error without even bothering to mention the fact that they had an exercise planned for that morning, and therefore Kenney may very well have been on the scene getting ready for the exercise and wasn't mistaken, is deeply troubling, as it evidences knowledge of guilt. In fact, it is even possible that Kenney was mistaken (although we've seen absolutely no evidence that he was, and his story is consistent with Giuliani's testimony), but Giuliani's testimony combined with FEMA's failing to explain what was really going on is proof that FEMA felt that the truth would be damning.

It is even more damning when we consider that the exercise, named TRIPOD, was supported by the Office of Justice Programs, through the Office for Domestic Preparedness, with the Office for Domestic Preparedness personally headed by Dick Fuck Yourself Cheney. The number of unexplained and officially unacknowledged 'training exercises' in and around all aspects of 9-11 are starting to pile up. If you anticipated that two huge buildings in New York City were to be knocked down on September 11, it would be prudent to have a presence in New York City on September 10. The best way to cover up such an unexplained presence is by calling it a training exercise. It is quite likely that the NORAD standdown was accomplished in the same way, with both the air traffic controllers and the local NORAD commanders under the assumption that anomalies in flight routes and behavior of the 9-11 attack planes were part of a training exercise, and thus were ignored until it was too late.
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/07/fema-in-big-apple....

A couple of threads discussing other "training exercises" for September 11:

"bizarre coincidence": Cheney monitors crash simulation morning of 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

New bombshell: on 9/11 Pentagon conducted live-fly hijacking wargame
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 09:10 AM
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1. To repeat: Guiliani's testimony about this MISSING from 911Commish website
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 09:18 AM
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4. "hundreds of people here, from FEMA.... The equipment was already there"
Guiliani, from the scoop link:

"... the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed."

And don't it just blow your mind? "The transcript of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani's testimony to the 9-11 Commission during the May 18-19, 2004 hearings in New York is the only transcript of that hearing omitted from the Commission website."

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 10:13 AM
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5. I HEARD Guliani say this in the hearings on C-Span. I thought it odd that
it was never picked up anywhere, because I knew that there were many reports in the 9/11 Timelines that said Fema was in NY the day before 9/11 attack. This came out in the speculation by many folks here on DU and elsewhere early on. It was discounted as conspiracy theory that Fema was there, which is why I almost fell over hearing Guliani say that a few weeks ago.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 05:17 PM
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17. the only transcript of that hearing omitted ..
what ever happened to investigative reporting?
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 09:11 AM
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2. Really troubling.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 01:40 PM
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9. very.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 09:13 AM
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3. I am glad to see this issue resurface and, yes, the denial is what
condemns them.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 01:21 PM
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6. Fema Recognized Safe Room kick
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 01:29 PM
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7. Love that graphic!
Duck under your desks for the bomb drill, children!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 01:32 PM
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8. DUCK AND COVER!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 01:41 PM
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10. Somebody's making alot of money off the fear


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 01:49 PM
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12. Oh thank you, I will order one of those too. Booga booga booga!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 01:49 PM
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11. TriPOD (Trial Point-of-Dispensing) Drill
Edited on Fri Jul-02-04 01:50 PM by Minstrel Boy
From the NYC government:

On May 22, 2002, OEM, along with the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOH), held the first-ever TriPOD (Trial Point of Dispensing) drill (see Press Release). Originally scheduled for September 12, 2001, TriPOD was designed to determine the feasibility of dispensing medication to a large section of the populace during a biological attack. Hundreds of NYPD and FDNY cadets stood in as "patients," while OEM and DOH personnel, along with volunteers from New York Cares, manned "griage" (greeting and triage), triage, medical evaluation and dispensing areas.

For purposes of this drill, TriPOD personnel anticipated treating over 1,000 victims every hour.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/other/sub_photos_pages...

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 02:09 PM
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13. Another thing of interest is Jeb declared a form of martial law in Florida
just a couple of days before 9-11. He called out the National Guard and I still have never heard a good justification for that.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 02:15 PM
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14. students from FL claimed it was hurricane related
students here in OK from FL...pretty RW, so who knows?????
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 02:20 PM
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15. I doubt they thought the buildings would come down but...
as mush as I resist LIHOP, to think that planes might be used as missles to hit some buildings. And that would kill alot of people and enough to spur over the top force against terrorists or maybe brittle and weak terrorist countries like Iraq or Afganistan to control their resources or the region's is something to muse about. Then the buildings came crashing down a couple of hours later and some yahoo realized we weren't dealing with piss ants.
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 05:12 PM
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16. FDonScene Software
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"FDonScene provided operators with real-time cueing of where critical resources were employed, what tasks were being accomplished, and when personnel accountability checks were due."
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"the application provided good visual reminders and was extremely helpful in identifying tasks that need to be accomplished during emergency responses."
"Fire Departments must be prepared to spend time (approximately 16 hours) to tailor the application in conjunction with initial training."
"It does reduce the burden on the on-scene commander to have to control and search through reference material during an emergency."
"It also enhances visibility and accessibility of resource and task status during emergencies."
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Over 700 victims passed through the Atlantic Highlands Ferry Port in New Jersey following the September 11, 2001 WTC attack. Two fire departments, three local police departments, as well as representatives from county, state, and federal agencies were on hand to assess and assist the victims as they embarked. Emergency units on the scene included 40 ambulances, an FD communications unit, a decontamination unit, and 10 pieces of fire apparatus. A communications unit member on scene at the Port, who had seen a ninety minute demonstration of the software a few days earlier, brought a trial copy of FDonScene on line and used it to track people, resources, and events . A second person watched how the software was being used, and took over operation of it a few hours later. Overall, the software was operated successfully for 14 hours.

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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 05:27 PM
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18. FEMA "response to terrorism" manual, published 1997
Interesting image on the cover, don't ya think ....

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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 05:37 PM
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19. Amazing,
Interesting the media wasn't all over this. -sarcasm off-

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 05:37 PM
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20. "No one could have imagined....."
Nice catch!
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 05:57 PM
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21. That looks familiar..
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 05:59 PM
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22. Gimme the juice baby!
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 10:18 PM
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27. Oh my Cheneying God, is that REAL? Where did you get that?
:wow:
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 06:21 PM
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23. Cheney/Rumsfeld/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Cheney/Rumsfeld
Every step of the way those two monsters are tied to this MIHOP!

:puke:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 07:08 PM
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24. And in June 2001, after 20+ years, standard operating procedure
for a shoot down was changed. Decision-making was removed from field commanders and given solely to the Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/docs/...

After 9/11, it was changed back.

Cheney/Rumsfeld/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Cheney/Rumsfeld....
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Fusions_Minion Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 09:38 PM
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25. kick
:kick:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-04 11:11 AM
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28. Hi Fusions_Minion!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Fusions_Minion Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-04 03:31 PM
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29. Hi newyawker
:hi:
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-04 09:49 PM
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26. I had the audio for this at one time.
I need to look through my archives to find it.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-04 03:56 PM
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30. Shouldn't it be easy to verify this by hotel records?
Simply ask Kenney where he stayed? Check the hotel. Why is this so hard to do? Where the hell is the investigative journalism?
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