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Fool_Me_Once Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 09:56 PM
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Windows Vista = NSA Spy Tool?
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 10:07 PM by Fool_Me_Once
With the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Act(Hr1955) passed through Congress, now awaiting Senate approval, I decided to research a few things I thought would contribute to this bill.

I stumbled across an interesting company earlier today. It struck a nerve BIG Time. The company is named APTIMA: http://www.aptima.com/oe_case_studies.php?id=3

I reached their website through this story:
Pentagon Forecast: Cloudy, 80% Chance of Riots
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/11/lockheed-peers-.h...

In the above story, it goes on to read how they can predict violence, radicalization, dissent, etc, etc, through the use of collected data.

Near the end of the story it reads:
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For these projects, the agency turned to Carnegie Mellon University professor Kathleen Carley and Massachusetts research firm Aptima, Inc. VISualization of Threats and Attacks in Urban Environments, or "VISTA," was their company's attempt to "utiliz cultural models and other social network analysis techniques to assess and forecast nation state instability and conflict." The "Anticipatory Culture-Based Modeling Environment," or ACUMEN, toolkit created a "simulation engine" based on "theories from psychology, social psychology, sociology, organization science, political science, and economics."
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Notice what VISTA stands for?
"VISualization of Threats and Attacks in Urban Environments"

OK, so then I go to the VISTA website, which is the first link listed above, also here:
http://www.aptima.com/oe_case_studies.php?id=3

It is quoted as saying:
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The VISTA tool is based on a multi-agent network model that incorporates multiple interacting and adaptive elements (agents) that represent different entities (e.g., Red and Blue forces) and regions of a city. The agents react to events depending on their characteristics, history, and connectivity, and system behavior emerges from this agent interaction. Through this simulation, the VISTA system enables exploration of potential outcomes and consequences of hypothetical actions and events, and the determination of when conditions are ripe for emerging threats.
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Red and Blue Forces? OK, so now I remember seeing something similar in another story back in January about the NSA contributing to the development of Windows Vista.

Article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

In the article it says this:
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The Redmond, Wash., software maker declined to be specific about the contributions the NSA made to secure the Windows operating system.

The NSA also declined to be specific but said it used two groups -- a "red team" and a "blue team" -- to test Vista's security. The red team, for instance, posed as "the determined, technically competent adversary" to disrupt, corrupt or steal information. "They pretend to be bad guys," Sager said. The blue team helped Defense Department system administrators with Vista's configuration .
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But the NSA, as usual, did specify to a certain extent, they did it "FOR OUR SAFETY". Yeah we have all heard that before.


Weird huh?



No wait, it gets even better. So I do some research on Windows Vista complaints about spyware installed and found that many systems have found open connections to the DoD, the NSA and the Department of Homeland Security.
As in this article here:
http://www.asktheadmin.com/2007/07/united-states-govern...

One can safely assume that if you are downloading illegal material(soon to include anti-war, anti-government material), they are watching. If you are not a Vista User, I do not recommend switching.

This is only my opinion, make your own assessments. Looks kind of fishy to me though.

For Tomorrows Story:
Unmanned Flying Taser Weapons - Coming to a town near you.
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/11/french-reveal-p.h...
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:14 PM
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1. Makes sense because Microsoft Vista is as fouled up as the NSA.
I wish I never bought it.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:16 PM
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2. Interesting read...
And scary as hell too!Thanks for posting all those infos.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:16 PM
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3. And so they left all those clues lying around
Including the name of the operating system.

This is just silly.
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Fool_Me_Once Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:20 PM
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4. Like they haven't left obvious clues around before?
Do you seriously think they do not Spy on us here in AmeriKa?
Have you even read what HR1955 is about?
I suggest you go have a read...
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/10/30/916/92032
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:49 PM
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7. But, this is bigger than just America.
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 10:51 PM by icymist
VISTA is a Windows program that is sold around the world. Not only is the big question about spying on American citizens, but anyone who ever uses this system and goes online, which leaves other questions.... Hasn't the US already pissed off enough of our allies without risking to further alienate? Not to mention the risk Microsoft is taking in it's world-wide monopoly falling apart.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:45 PM
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8. This is nonsense
The reasoning, based on name similarities, is absurd.
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Fool_Me_Once Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:44 AM
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11. It is not based on name similarities..
If you bothered to read all the links I gave you... As I said before, this is my assessment.. Do your own research.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:44 PM
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5. M$ has always been a security sieve, and a bloated piece of spyware
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 11:19 PM by ixion
and I would be more than willing to bet that any "homegrown terrorists" (whatever that means :wtf:) don't use Vista, a) because it is over-priced bloatware, and b) because it is spyware. Whereas, for free, you can download any number of flavors of Linux that are open source and not spyware.
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Reno.Muse Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 10:46 PM
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6. I agree. I'm liking ubuntu right now!
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:00 AM
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9. The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me
NSA provided security help for Windows, Mac OS X
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/01/09/nsa-provided... /

Download the NSA Apple Mac OS X Configuration Guide
http://www.helpdesk.umd.edu/os/macosx/security/4666 /

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"

:eyes:
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Fool_Me_Once Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:56 AM
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12. So what are you trying to say? n/t
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:07 AM
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10. Microsoft was involved in NSA survelliance before 9/11.
Back in the day, (2000ish) there was a process associated with MS Messenger which was sending data off my computer. I looked it up online, and people had decompiled it, and it actually had comments from Sandia national labratories in it. This would have been win 98. As of XP, I can only assume the survelliance had become completely integrated.
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