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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:40 PM
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Bush Stance on Civil Unions Upsets Groups
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 04:16 PM by RedEarth
WASHINGTON -- Some conservative groups expressed dismay Tuesday over President Bush's tolerance of state-sanctioned civil unions between gay people -- laws that would grant same-sex partners most or all the rights available to married couples.

"I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so," Bush said in an interview aired Tuesday on ABC. Bush acknowledged that his position put him at odds with the Republican platform, which opposes civil unions.


"I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights," said Bush, who has pressed for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. "States ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry backs civil unions for gay couples, too. He opposes gay marriage but also opposes the idea of a constitutional ban.

Some conservative organizations sharply disagreed with Bush and pressed him to seek a constitutional amendment that would ban both gay marriage and civil unions.





http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bush-c...
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:41 PM
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1. Hee, hee, hee!!
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JuniorPlankton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:42 PM
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2. The fundies are upset
Fucking bastards!

:nopity:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:43 PM
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3. "States ought to be able to pass laws that enable people to have rights
like others" Why would that be? Some people should not have rights? States need to pass special laws???? What a dumb thing to say.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:17 PM
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21. I think Bush lost more of the Black vote, too
If there are any Black folks left that he hasn't lost already. "States Rights" is a longtime GOP code word for segregation.

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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:43 PM
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4. they shouldn't be upset i'm sure
he'll be back to his prior position nov 3rd.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:44 PM
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5. Statement 'clarification' by Bush spokesperson in 5,..4,..3,..2...
"Honest. He didn't mean to say what it sounded like he said. What he meant was..."

Dance, spokesperson, Dance!
(tappity-tap, tappity-tap, tappity-tappity-tap)
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:45 PM
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7. McClennan aka: Squealer in Animal Farm, will be doing the interpretation.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:44 PM
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6. The man behind the mask, conservatives DEMAND Bush continue
to hate people unlike themselves or else they won't vote for him! This is finally blowing up in his stupid lying face. How dare he ruin families and condone hating, I bet he still doesn't admit he's a complete jackass.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:31 PM
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30. No, true "conservatives" (get out a dictionary) hate Bush
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:46 PM
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8. Hee Hee Hee Ho Ho Ho Ha Ha Ha!!!!
I wondered where he was trying to go with that statement. Surely, he doesn't think that anyone other than fascists would actually believe him!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:46 PM
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9. Bush is imploding
they must be panicking. There is no explanation.
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darthmix Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:53 PM
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10. What we need now...
...is for Kerry to find the biggest microphone he can and publically congradulate the president for supporting civil unions for gay couples.

It would be a dirty trick and I don't care.
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:25 PM
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39. Why is this a dirty trick...I am missing the point here.
Ugh, I hate it when I can't follow arguments even on my OWN pet issue!

I think you provide an excellent solution to further acceptance of civil unions AND take a big whack at *'s whacko fundie base.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:53 PM
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11. This position is in direct opposition to the Ohio ballot issue, right?
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 03:54 PM by krkaufman
Won't the Ohio ballot issue preclude the state from recognizing *any* arrangement, between same-sex partners, simulating marriage?

I gotta believe this will confuse the Ohio fundies to whom the ballot issue was targeted in order to motivate them to hit the polls.

edit: How anyone could make *any* sense of what B* said in that interview is beyond me. It was total nonsense.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:09 PM
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18. the Georgia ballot measure does the same thing
these will be overturned eventually so I'm not really worried
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:18 PM
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22. I'm only concerned about either (but Ohio mostly)...
... in that their existence on the ballot may draw pro-B* Evangelicals to the polls, even though their support for B* (in light of his performance) may have been waning. And once at the polls, they'll likely cast a vote for the Chimp.

The measures didn't get on the ballot on their own merit. Both are right-wing GOTV maneuvers.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:10 PM
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41. For info on Ohio Issue One
www.NoOnOne.puppycharm.com

Short answer: yes - it bars state creation or recognition "of any legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals" (same gender or mixed gender) "that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage."

That sentence will have a whole lot of unintended consequences. Joint with rights of survivorship property ownership (a very common way for any two people to own bank accounts and real property) is intended to approximate the effect of marriage on property ownership. That property ownership status may well be unconstitutional if Issue One passes, forcing all property to pass through wills or by inheritance except between married couples. It will also likely prohibit courts from enforcing any private contract (wills, powers of attorney, etc.) that is intended to grant partners rights similar to marriage with respect to each other. In other words, such contracts will be worth less than the paper on which they are written because they will have no longer be enforceable.

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:43 PM
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44. I don't think so....
... George is fine with civil unions (apparently) and thinks it should be a state issue.

Issue 1, in Ohio, is the state making a choice in a matter that Bush says is up to the state.

More confusing is who should the voters vote for for Governor when it comes up since Taft opposes Issue 1.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:56 PM
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12. There's no EFFING WAY bush* got this quote out as clearly as it's written
"I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights," said Bush, who has pressed for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. "States ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

I demand the ums and ahs and uhs be in there!!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:03 PM
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16. And the idn't its and wadn't its and other "folksy" turnip truck touches
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:10 PM
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45. LOL...you know it's never published the way he says it!
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:59 PM
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13. Lying Sack o' Shit
As if those of us in the know didn't realize that the amendment championed for passage in congress bans gay marriage AND "the legal incidents thereof" ie, civil unions.

I don't believe his sorry lying politically-scheming ass.

The ONLY reason he is saying this is to *appear* moderate for the election. And the only reason he wants to appear moderate right now is because the undecideds and independents are breaking for Kerry because they see Bush as radical. The amendment helped solidify that impression. Backpedaling now is too late to do anything about that impression, though it might upset some of his base. I just don't see how this helps him.

Another inane, unprincipled, politically motivated flip-flop from Bushco.

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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:00 PM
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14. Hey! Isn't that a ... FLIPPITY FLOPPITY?
Or... didn't we used to call that a "take back?"

What a weinie!
And.....
I hope the Far Right decides to stay home an pout!
Yeah, show him, you Fundamentalists, you! Don't take that from him!
Don't vote for him, punish him at the ballot box!!!!

(I'm sending them prayers with that theme!)
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:02 PM
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15. big time
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xyboymil Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:08 PM
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17. Gee! You think he wants the gay vote back that he shit all over?
Can we say "flip-flop"? :eyes:

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:14 PM
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19. States ought to be able to...enable people to...have rights like others
So, WHAT is the point of a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT?

HOW is his position different from KERRY'S?

WHEN will the Media ask the questions?
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:15 PM
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20. The murmur of upset Bush supporters is music to my ears
Just wait until the real October surprise is rolled out. Will it be the woman he paid to have an abortion before he met Laura? Maybe one of his old doping budies will step forward? There are so many scandals surrounding him, it's hard to choose just one.

Funny about this article is that it was a gift from Bushco. His stance will royally piss off the gay hating contingent of the GOP.



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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:27 PM
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23. just saw the clip on CNN....with Laura at his side
hope it gets played far and wide...flip, flop
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:34 PM
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24. Fundies find position insufficiently intolerant, unreasonable
Demand Bush say something hateful immediately to balance it out.
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:36 PM
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25. Hey Bush supporters, remember what Tucker Carlson said....
if you don't agree totally with the candidate don't vote !!!
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:37 PM
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26. Commentary on this article from Kerrys newest fan (Sullivan)
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:34 PM
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32. What A Huge Self Loather..............
Sullivan is.....

If he wasn't so pathetic.... he'd be funny!





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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:49 PM
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27. FLIP-FLOP, FLIP-FLOP!
Bush is a waffler!

(More like a panderer, but we'll use their own idiotic buzzwords right back at 'em. Hoist on his own petard, for sure.)
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:30 PM
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29. We know where he stands.
He has been saying that for a long time. It is another lie.

President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief
September 2, 2004

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus."
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes."

2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects."

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas."

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states."

3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed."
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout."

4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." <PRESIDENT'S 02 15 11 Statement,

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature."

5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question."
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life."

6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds."

7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04"

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops."

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference."

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony."

9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good."

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists-including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents-issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels."

10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers
raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers."

11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything."

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people."

12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out."

13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue."

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection."

14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'"

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."

15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... ", Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide."

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act."

16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency."

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction."

17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11."

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."

18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work."

19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday."

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock."

20. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into."

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife."

21. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road."

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people."

22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11."

23. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam."

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written."

24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict
BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area."

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East."

25. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression."

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law."

26. 527s
Bush opposes restrictions on 527s: "I also have reservations about the constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising , which restrains the speech of a wide variety of groups on issues of public import."
Bush says 527s bad for system: "I don't think we ought to have 527s. I can't be more plain about itI think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold."

27. Medical Records
Bush says medical records must remain private: "I believe that we must protectthe right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private."

Bush says patients' histories are not confidntial: The Justice Departmentasserts that patients "no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential."

28. Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other words, a military attack."

Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators."

29. The Great Lakes
Bush wants to divert great lakes: "Even though experts say 'diverting any water from the Great Lakes region sets a bad precedent' Bush 'said he wants to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrtien about piping water to parched states in the west and southwest.'-

Bush says he'll never divert Great Lakes: "We've got to use our resources wisely, like water. It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin...My position is clear: We're never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water."

30. Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can."

Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win ."

Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win ."
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:29 PM
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28. Is this a "flip-flop" or just more deceit?
Was this always Bush's position? If so, how did Bush manage to hide it from his conservative base?
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:19 PM
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31. "Uniqueness" new code word for bigotry
The head of another group, the Campaign for California Families, said it, too, wants a sweeping constitutional amendment that bars civil unions and same-sex marriage.

"Here's the truth, civil unions are homosexual marriage by another name," said Randy Thomasson, the group's executive director. "Civil unions rob marriage of its uniqueness and award homosexuals all the rights of marriage available under state law."

"Bush needs to understand what's going on and resist counterfeit marriages with all his might no matter what they're called," Thomasson said.


So Randy, was the denial of rights to women due to the "uniqueness" of men? Was the denial of rights to people of color due to the "uniqueness" of whites? Fucking bigot.
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:38 PM
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34. "F*#king Bigots"
You are so correct my friend!

And Thanks for saying it!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:37 PM
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33. What is Jerry Falwall going to do now?
Tell his people to stay home??? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:42 PM
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35. This is pure bullshit, awol giving rights to gays, his god would
choke. He's only doing this to appear moderate just before
the election. Ralph Fucking Reed is telling the religious
fundies to wink, wink make an issue of it, but don't worry
their shrivled little hearts.

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:46 PM
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36. Kerry needs to play this up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 06:47 PM by OutsourceBush
Christians get sick at the thought of homosexuals living together and having rights. Bush clearly likes homosexuals and wants them to have the SAME rights as married people. Sounds like Bush is a regular homo-loving-liberal! Why would any Christian loving repuke want to vote for this guy? :-)
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:17 PM
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37. the shrub* is such a pandering phoney....
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:24 PM
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38. Interesting.
In other news today Bush is trying to shore up the base - which is clearly shaky. And now this feeble attempt to appear moderate and alienating base.
Poor George - as Ann Richards might say.
"O what a tangled web we weave "
When first we practice to decieve."
- as Walter Scott wrote.
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:53 PM
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40. Pure electioneering mass deception.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 07:54 PM by Amigust
I'll be a uniter. War as a very last resort. I'm interested in helping the poor.

Fundies will still go with him, this is for moderates.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:15 PM
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42. Disgusting...
Hypocrisy is all I can say. Well I guess this COULD be a good thing, alienating his supporters. Hopefully those alienated will vote against him.

"Some conservative organizations sharply disagreed with Bush and pressed him to seek a constitutional amendment that would ban both gay marriage and civil unions."

Blatant disregard for equal rights.
"Hey we can get married/have civil unions, but YOU can't because you're hedonistic sinners."

>_<
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:18 PM
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43. I saw this interview...I almost fell out when the Chimp said that!
I knew all hell would break loose the second it registered in the brains for the neo-cons.
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