Children in Abu Gharib - Unreported by Media

[Whoa_Nelly]

Children in Abu Gharib - Unreported by Media

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However, the press office for the Secretary of Defense does give some information when asked about children in the American Gulags of Iraq. Call 703-545-6700 – DOD information - and speak to Commander Hatledge who may refer you to Lieutenant Colonel Joe Yoswa at 703-697-0657.

Joe was quite helpful when I called, a nice guy. He confirmed that the US Military does imprison children in sweeps made by patrols in Iraq. He confirmed that whole families are frequently arrested, dragged from their homes in the middle of the night. The patrols decide on the spot who gets taken away. After that the families are taken before a “committee” who then decides who to release and who to imprison. The highest ranking officer on the “committee” is a Colonel.

Joe told me that at the present time the US Military has 58 juveniles imprisoned in Iraq. According to Joe, none of these children are younger than 14 and none of them are female. These statements are contradicted by accounts from the German TV broadcast. Joe denied that any children have been abused.

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When I tried to tell Joe about the information from Sergeant Provance, he quickly informed me that he knew who Sergeant Provance was, and that anything that was in the Taguba Report was being investigated, or had been investigated. He also told me that the Taguba Report was classified and so he couldn’t give me any more information.

I had no idea that Provance had given information to the Taguba investigation.

more...
http://arkansas.indymedia.org/feature/display/4242/index.php

[0007]

1. When will this country wake up?

"At about the same time as the German TV report Seymour Hersh gave a speech to the American Civil Liberties Union. Hersh, whose investigative stories first revealed the Abu Gharib horrors informed the ACLU that the truth was still being covered up and that
it was much worse than had been yet told.

Hersh described a video tape of young Iraqi boys being sodomized by Iraqi prison guards. Hersh says that the worst part of the tape is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking. Hersh has stated that there was a “series of massive crimes, criminal activity by the President and Vice President, by this administration anyway – war crimes”.

http://arkansas.indymedia.org/feature/display/4242/index.php

Why isn't this story being told. The whole world has seen this video, but not the American. The American media is afraid to expose this documentary by Jamie Doran.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3267.htm

Find out who Jamie Doran is;

http://www.acftv.com/about/jamie_doran.asp



We are fueling terrorism and falling on our own sword.

[Whoa_Nelly]

7. Thank you, 0007

For providing the Jamie Doran documentary link

[seemslikeadream]

2. For a second please hold me

http://www.bushflash.com/year.html WATCH THIS VIDEO only takes 3 minutes

Enveloped in a sentiment,
A sound that rushes over me.
Engage an impulse to pretend
I have a faith as pure.
Not forgetting what it means to dream.
Indulging everything.
Entertaining thoughts that I've the strength
Of those I yearn to be.
Cheers and tribute greet the saviours.
Reckless thoughts survive.
Anachronistic and impulsive.

And what will happen?
Will I dream?
I am too scared to close my eyes.
For a second please hold me.
None can change in me these things that I believe.
But I don't know what happens now.
I am too scared to close my eyes.

Legion
Vnv Nation

[JNelson6563]

4. Chilling

In spite of the many flash movies and still pics I see from Iraq, I sit here speechless after watching this.

:cry:

Julie

[0007]

9. I sit here speechless and angrier than a swarm of pissed off bees

:cry:

[seemslikeadream]

10. Rage

I put my fists up in the air every time I watch it.

[xchrom]

3. the percentage of americans that

really care about these abuses is woefully few.
they are disconnected from these horrors -- yes these are crimes -- but apathy helps the fascists in charge keep this crap covered up.

[mom cat]

5. I don't think that it is apathy as much as systematic media

squashing of the truth. When the story broke about the prison abuse in Iraq, the outrage was swift and strong.We need to keep getting the word out through the independent media and building our alternative news sources.as well as support the brave few inside the mainstream corporations who dare speak the truth. We will have to fight for everything, but we are the majority and have the power to reshape the dialog. It's already happening.

[Rose Siding]

6. 'Joe' just hasn't seen the tapes yet

"Joe denied that any children have been abused."

[sandboxface]

8. A kick foir the children...

[ninkasi]

11. For the things that are being done

our country will be damned. Innocent men, women, and children...CHILDREN...are being killed, tortured, and will suffer a lifetime of nightmares and sorrow. I see the comments of the neocons, the rightwing nutcases, who consider them no better than animals.

Consider this; they did not attack us on Sept 11, they did not invade our country, they did not start this shameful, illegal travesty. I am a mother, a grandmother, and a great-grandmother. I cry for the children, for what they are forced to endure, and for all that has happened, George Bush will go down in history as a man as evil as Stalin, or Hitler, or any other bloodthirsty tyrant in the world.

America has allowed our country to be dragged into a world of evil, and I applaud every person who has marched, spoken out, written, and tried to stop it. The future of our country, and of the world, will be decided this Novenmber. Vote, and encourage everybody you know to vote, to get this vile bunch out. We have another chance to save ourselves, and can't afford to lose.

[Whoa_Nelly]

12. Kick for the children

and kick for the great post/links by 0007. O8)
:kick:

[Disturbed]

13. War Crimes Cover Up

The Taguba report is 6K pages. 2K were not delivered to the Congress. The excuse was that someone forgot to copy them. That was almost 3 months ago and they have not been delivered. Congress has not pressed to obtain them. This situation is being ignored by all concerned because it would mean indictements of War Crimes of the entire Bush Admin., the Pentagon and the Military.

Sec. of Defense, Rumsfailed has publicly admitted to violating the Geneva Convention and no charges have been filed.


What is a war crime?
By Tarik Kafala
BBC News Online


Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or willfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."


This, international lawyers say, is the basic definition of war crimes.

The statutes of The Hague tribunal say the court has the right to try suspects alleged to have violated the laws or customs of war in the former Yugoslavia since 1992. Examples of such violations are given in article 3:

* Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity

* Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings

* Seizure of, destruction or willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic monuments and works of art and science

* Plunder of public or private property.

The tribunal defines crime against humanity as crimes committed in armed conflict but directed against a civilian population. Again a list of examples is given in article 5:

* Murder
* Extermination
* Enslavement
* Deportation
* Imprisonment
* Torture
* Rape
* Persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1420133.stm

[Whoa_Nelly]

14. Re: 2K pages not given to Congress

Thanks for the excellent post, Disturbed!

Do you have a link re: the 2K pages not delivered?
THX O8)

on edit: Found this link:

Pages Said Missing in Prison Abuse Report

Sunday May 23, 2004 7:46 PM


WASHINGTON (AP) - At least 2,000 pages might have been missing from the copy of the Army report on soldiers' abusive treatment of Iraqi prisoners that was delivered to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The 6,000-page report, compiled by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, formed the basis for hearings this month into the allegations. Taguba found ``numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses'' had been inflicted on Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad between last October and December.

more...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4124045,00.html

If there are other article links, would love to read those as well.

[TrustingDog]

15. kick

[bobthedrummer]

16. Just imagine recording sodomizing kids in front of their parents

and maintaining "it's a proven method of developing informants"aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhgggggggggggggggggggg:grr::puke::argh::nuke:

[demgurl]

17. Kickin' it!

:kick: