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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:36 PM
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Study: Army Stretched to Breaking Point (AP)
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 04:38 PM by Up2Late
(Getting rather drafty in here...)
Jan 24, 4:30 PM EST

Study: Army Stretched to Breaking Point



By ROBERT BURNS
AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Stretched by frequent troop rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has become a "thin green line" that could snap unless relief comes soon, according to a study for the Pentagon.

Andrew Krepinevich, a retired Army officer who wrote the report under a Pentagon contract, concluded that the Army cannot sustain the pace of troop deployments to Iraq long enough to break the back of the insurgency. He also suggested that the Pentagon's decision, announced in December, to begin reducing the force in Iraq this year was driven in part by a realization that the Army was overextended.

As evidence, Krepinevich points to the Army's 2005 recruiting slump - missing its recruiting goal for the first time since 1999 - and its decision to offer much bigger enlistment bonuses and other incentives.

"You really begin to wonder just how much stress and strain there is on the Army, how much longer it can continue," he said in an interview. He added that the Army is still a highly effective fighting force and is implementing a plan that will expand the number of combat brigades available for rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan.

(more at link below)

<http://staging.hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ARMY_BRE... >
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:41 PM
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1. So who....
would enlist right now?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:41 PM
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2. Backs Murtha's claims...
reco'd
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:41 PM
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3. Winner of this month's "You Call This NEWS?" Award
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 04:49 PM by rocknation
The military was stretched to the breaking point before the invasion even started--and the commander-in-chump got rid of the general who told him so.

Too bad Bush didn't have enough "moral clarity" to institute a draft to meet required the manpower levels. Instant political suicide, of course, but war means never having to say you're sorry, too.

:headbang:
rocknation
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:43 PM
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4. c'mon all you repugs
aged 40 and under. Uncle George needs YOU! Jump into his big ole sandbox and fight them over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here!
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:11 PM
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12. Absolutely!
Pukes should also know that we'll have WAAAAAAYYY too much respect for their service in Iraq to ever suggest they should be withdrawn (without the complete and total victory that Chimp demands).
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:44 PM
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5. Someone better tell Huckabee..
He just told Wolfie that enlistments are going GREAT, and there are plenty of soldiers
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:44 PM
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6. I'm the mother of a 19-year-old boy.
And I've been scared shitless since the idiot boy-king TOOK power. At some point they are going to run out of mercenaries to do their fighting. They've been mining data regarding HS students for years now.

A message to Patrick Fitzgerald: Hurry up!!!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:04 PM
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11. A link for anyone trying to protect their
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:20 PM
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15. thanks for the link.
My son graduated HS in 2004. At that point, his PE teacher was allowing the military to come into their PE classes to discuss "career options." I raised a holy shit storm that made our local paper, and that was when the school district instituted the opt-out forms. I lived in a very liberal town at that time, however, and I worry that red states aren't so accommodating to parents.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:44 PM
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31. Your welcome, it truely is a scary thing.
Hopefully the opt-out can help some people, but how long can we all hold out
until this Adminisration makes another stupid mistake?
It just scares me where this whole thing is going....Iran next?....Syria???
And they just expect our kids to go along with it and fight their war for them? I think not!


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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:15 PM
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13. Sen McCain, 'we'll be in Iraq 10, 20 years, that's not so bad'
This is from the leading R contender for the '08 presidency:

""When asked this week on CNN how long the U.S. military is likely to remain in Iraq, Senator John McCain replied "probably" 10 or 20 years. "That's not so bad," he said""

http://spectrumz.com/z/fair_use/2004/09_04.html

They ALL need their heads examined. Republicans are a dangeous bunch once they get a taste of power. Like the Lord of the Rings or something...Lord Sauron's minions.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:21 PM
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16. If the Rs have a hard-on for war, I say let their kids fight. n/t
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:29 PM
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24. "Woodies for War" ? The Vulgar Vulcans ?
I don't want ANYONE'S kids fighting for unjustified actions made by an inept Congress. They've purposely let go of the War Powers Act of 1973's requirement for TRUTHFUL circumstances and situations that are clearly truthful...in order to allow for 'resolutions' which incorporate the
"...at his (Bush's) determination..." language.

This is clearly unconstitutional, yet they're getting away with it. Iran appears to be the next spot where a resolution is necessary it seems. The Army is at the breaking point and these fool neocon Vulcans just can't get it though their heads that in most cases 'War is a Racket' as former 2X USMC Medal of Honor recipient Gen Smedley D. Butler wrote.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

It should be required reading for any high-school-aged draft-age kids or those simply looking to enlist to 'futher their educations'.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:39 PM
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29. if their kids had to fight their immoral wars, they'd think twice.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:42 PM
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30. No, they'd still send 'em off like sacrificers to Molech, IMHO
Sad but true. They truly don't know what they're doing. War 101 with Sun Tzu says you try to avoid war and only fight when you have to. What are they teaching at West Point anyway ? Crazy bastages.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:43 PM
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55. yes, they would think twice. Whenever anyone says he supports the war
I always ask when he or she is signing up to go to Iraq or sending his son/daughter.

This stops EVERYONE in his tracks. Try it sometime

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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:30 PM
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25. Do another 10 Yrs in a bamboo cage asshole !
This one , of ALL of 'em , to make THAT statement.

no respect
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:26 PM
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41. They're sharing the data with the RNC, too.
I can't prove it, but I wouldn't put it past them. My 16 year old is starting to get propaganda packets from the RNC. How else he managed to get on their mailing list I can't imagine.

I sent back the business reply envelopes telling them to keep their bullshit to themselves.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:29 PM
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47. 16 ???? I guess they're planning ahead, eh? Bastards. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:49 PM
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7. There will be some kind of a draft
Especially if there is a war with Iran. The draft will function differently than it did the last time, but there will be some sort of involuntary conscription.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:51 PM
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8. "Special skills draft" is what they were calling it
but if it will be anything like their Clear Skies Initiative, breathing unassisted will become a special skill.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:57 PM
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9. The facade is crumbling,
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 05:01 PM by Geo55
They will some how have to talk the brainless half of this country into re-instating the draft.
humans can be stretched so far:

He said he concluded that even Army leaders are not sure how much longer they can keep up the unusually high pace of combat tours in Iraq before they trigger an "institutional" crisis. Some major Army divisions are serving their second yearlong tours in Iraq, and some smaller units have served three times.

My fear & suspicion is that they will pull another "Pearl Harbor".....
WE ARE SUNK...(no pun intended) , if they do.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:04 PM
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10. I would disagree with you about that...
especially since *&Co ran their last campaign on the "vote for us & we'll protect you from those bad, bad men." At this point, if the terraists do succeed in attacking us, *&Co may be out on it's rich, white A$$...
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:39 PM
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28. and I beg to differ with you,
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 05:39 PM by Geo55
Given the lock they have on disinformation.....not too big a deal....never forget, the HUGE , yes count 'em number of clueless folks in this country......no, they're NOT on this site kiddo , they're out scrappin' n' scratchin' to stay afloat.....AND THEY BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE MSM TELLS THEM.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:47 PM
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33. You may be right, but I don't think so...
Keep in mind that the pimple is already down in the polls on job performance. It might just be the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm pretty sure HE doesn't want to find out, either way, though...
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:04 PM
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35. Hmmm...
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 06:06 PM by Geo55
, a deep dark corner of the pentagon.....Dumsfeld rolling marbles in his greasy lil' palm.
<...RING !...goes the WH hotline > , ....Don?, this is Dick.....
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:15 PM
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14. Didnt the same thing happen to the USSR before it crumbled?
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:56 PM
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34. And the US Army in 1968
People tend to Forget that the US Army in Vietnam was the best equipped, Best lead, best motivated Army the US ever fielded TILL THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE TURNED AGAINST THE WAR IN 1968. In fact the US Army Desertion rate was LOWER in pre-1968 Vietnam then it was during WWII.

All of that did NOT stop the Army from Crumbling under the stress of Vietnam (and at that time we had the Draft). You can NOT keep troops in the field for months on end without seeing deterioration of their Fighting Capability. For example During WWII the US Army did not fully become engaged with the German Army Till June 4th, 1944 (The US Army had actions against Germans in Africa in November 1942 and Italy in 1943 but that was secondary to the main thrust of June 1944 onward). By the time the US Army was marching through Germany in April 1945, the German reports mentioned deterioration of US Army units. The reason for the Deterioration? The US Army units had been in Combat Since June 1944 and where almost finished as units (The condition of the US Army in May 1945 was the chief reason the US did NOT go to war with the Russians at the end of WWII, our troops could NOT hack such a war). Please note the German Army in May 1945 was no more and the Russian Army was in worse shape (Though 5 times the size of the US Army).

People tend to forget Combat destroys Military units, first by losses that breaks up unit cohesion (People are NOT interchangeable thus it takes a while for any unit to work together as a team, time units in Combat do not have, thus they tend to deteriorate over time unless taken out of the line and retrained). Second the loses themselves tend to tear up the survivors, causing decline in a Units Fighting ability. Third, when a unit is first form it gets the best troops available, but the replacements tend NOT to be as good. Even in WWII this was a problem, you had people ruled 4F in 1941 reclassified as 1A in 1944 and sent to the front as replacements (Even the US Needed troops). These troops were never truly 1A, so they tended to be inferior to the troops they were replacing, tied in with the other two problems and you can see why the US army was going downhill in May 1945.

In Vietnam the troops fought LONGER than the Soldiers of WWII (The 3rd US Infantry Division had the most days in Combat during WWII, 154 days, the tour in Vietnam was 365 days). Officers during Vietnam only had to serve 180 days in a Combat unit than were transfered to a Staff position, which hurt unit cohesion in Vietnam. The in and out transferred saw a slow but steady decline from 1965 to 1968 then a rapid decline starting in 1968 as everything hit the fan. The Same Problem that hit the US Army in May 1945 was hitting the US Army in 1968, rapid turnover, replacements NOT as good as the troops they were replacing, but with the Additional problem that the NCO corp of the US Army was exiting big time out of the Army causing even further decline in the Army Fighting ability. By the end of 1968 the NCO corp had declined so much that the US Army was foreseeing disaster (and for this reason the US Army from 1968 onward was looking at ways to get out of Vietnam.

What caused the NCO decline from 1968 onward? First the older NCOs left the service, then the Younger Draftees who would have stayed to take their place also left rather than stay and fight in Vietnam. Both were replaced by inferior stock of NCOs for that is all the Army to promote (i.e. they were willing to stay in for the prospect of making Sargent and getting better pay). By the early 1970s the US Army NCO corp was a shadow it its pre-vietnam situation. With this death knell of the NCOs, the army followed and the problem kept feeding itself till the US left Vietnam in 1972. It took till 1980 to reverse most of the problems of Vietnam (and that was do more to Carter and the Democratic Congress than to any other President but you will NOT hear the Right wing say that). Thus in 1980s you started to see the US Army getting back up to shape especially with all the new toys Reagan was willing to give them (The M1- Tank the M2 Bradley etc). You saw the last of the Vietnam NCOs leave the service in the early 1990s (20 years and out people) and they tended to be replaced by people as good or better then the Vietnam era NCOs. You saw many leave under Clinton (More to do with the prospect of good Civilian Employment under Clinton than any of Clinton's policies to the US Military). Thus the US Army when it went into Iraq under Bush II, was as good, if not better than the US Army of 1965.

The problem is we are following the same pattern as in 1965-1968, the NCOs leaving do to the heavy commitments required of them, their replacements NOT being as good as the NCO they are replacing, and a slow decline in the over capability of the Enlisted Ranks. This is what happened in Vietnam and is happening again. IT took four years of heavy fighting for the Vietnam army to Break, when will this Army break? We went in in 2002 not 2001 thus 2006 is the FOURTH YEAR SINCE the war started. Can you spell debacle?
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:22 PM
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39. interesting analysis....thanks.....sounds like a recurring nightmare. n/t
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:10 AM
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62. IT has been
That is why Nations rarely go to war (Except for Brief fights). Any army declines over time. The Classic situation was the Persian-Roman War of 603-630 AD.

In 610 after several years of War with the Persians, the Roman Army was on the point of Collapse. Heraclius over threw the reigning Emperor and started to rebuild his army. It took him years. He had to replace the old Mercenary Roman Army with an army raised from Peasants from right is now Asia Minor. Heraclius pointed out that like his Peasants he was a Roman and a Christian against the Persians and Zoroasterites. Finally he offered the Peasants LAND in exchange for their Military Service instead of cash. In the mean time Heraclius lost not only Palestine to the Persians but Egypt (Which forced him to import grain from the Ukraine instead of Egypt as had been the case for centuries both when Rome was the Capital and then as Constantinople was the Capital of the Empire AND cost him his main source of Gold and Silver to pay his Army, thus his move to a Militia type Army from the traditional Roman Mercenary Army).

Finally in 622 he used his newly raised army against the Persians but still took him 6 years of Fighting to get a Peace Treaty returning Egypt, Syria and Palestine to the Roman Empire. When he was finished the Persian Empire was destroyed, but so was his newly raised Army, thus when the Arabs hit his Empire in 630 he had NOT yet rebuild his Army and thus Roman Forces was forced out of Palestine and Egypt for the Final Time.

While the immediate reason for Heraclius NOT to retake Palestine or Egypt seems to be that his ARMY had not yet recovered from the Persian Wars, there is also a possibility that Heraclius having had to make radical reforms in Constantinople do to the lost of Egypt came ot the belief the Empire no longer needed Egypt AND by giving up Egypt he made what was left of the Roman Empire completely Greek in Nature (Which Reinforced his troops new belief they were fighting for their Country NOT the Emperor). The Empire had lost its Latin half and tendency after the Lombard Invasion of Italy in 570 AD and now with Egypt gone, the Empire lost its Arabic/Egyptian base, leaving only its Greek base, which survived till Constantinople was taken by the Turks in 1453. The method Heraclius adopted to raise his army was used by Constantinople till 1453, and later adopted by the Turks (and used till the late 1800s).

The point here is Twice, Heraclius had to rebuild up his army, but that army was destroyed by VICTORY after a long war each time. The same thing has occurred through out the years. You can NOT maintain an army in the field for a long period of time without the Army deteriorating. It happened in the US Army in Vietnam, The Soviet Army in Afghanistan, the German Army in both WWI and WWII, The Roman Army in the Persian War of 603-630 and other time periods.


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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:24 PM
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17. Report: Army could be near breaking point
WASHINGTON - Stretched by frequent troop rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has become a thin green line that could snap unless relief comes soon, according to a study for the Pentagon.

Andrew Krepinevich, a retired Army officer who wrote the report under a Pentagon contract, concluded that the Army cannot sustain the pace of troop deployments to Iraq long enough to break the back of the insurgency. He also suggested that the Pentagons decision, announced in December, to begin reducing the force in Iraq this year was driven in part by a realization that the Army was overextended.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11009829 /

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:24 PM
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18. That's not what our Preznit says...
Lying asshole!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:24 PM
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19. It's Gettin' Drafty

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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:24 PM
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20. Bullshit, the 40 year old recruits are on their way.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:30 PM
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26. Former Ford plant employees.... ? n/t
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:46 PM
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32. Yep,...they can screw air bags into them insurgent's heads ! n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:35 PM
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43. Those Ex-Ford Employees are closer to 60 than 40
They got to be laid off before they retire.
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:24 PM
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21. Somebody close the war...
it is getting drafty in here!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:24 PM
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22. support the troops support the troops support the troops
I can see the RW response now...attack the messenger.

onenote
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:27 PM
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23. Gee,, wonder how many divisions are NOW not "Ready for Duty"
Rememeber that Big Lie during the 2000 GOP Convention that an Army Division or two was not ready for duty under Clinton? Amazing.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:38 PM
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45. Excellent point! Might be a good comeback for the current RW talkingpoints
And Thank you for your service "RobertSeattle" :patriot:

I hope you health is O.K., these V.A. budget cuts can't be easy.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:04 AM
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58. I make too much money to use the VA
It really should be for guys who really need it.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:35 PM
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27. Bush lost the war!
the Army cannot sustain the pace of troop deployments to Iraq long enough to break the back of the insurgency.

THAT MEANS -- WE LOST. WE LOST THE WAR.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:10 PM
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37. We aren't supposed to win.
The war was launched for corporate profits, not for any valid military objectives.

We lost the war the second it started because it was an unnecessary and unjustified war.

There were never any WMD and anybody who believes we are going to democratize the Middle East is a fucking moron.

Every informed person who was not a neocon (e.g General Shinseki) told the administration that the occupation of Iraq would be a bloody quagmire. The stupid greedy neocons launched the war anyway, not for democracy or to find WMD, but for corporate profits.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:40 PM
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52. Amen.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:30 PM
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53. Saddam is no longer trying to sell his oil in euros
and therefore in the BushCo's mind, they were successful. No more need be said. :mad:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:16 PM
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38. Our batting average ain't so good these past 50 years.
Another cluster-fuck war that will leave physical and emotional scars for generations to come. :(
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:09 PM
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36. Want to fix the problem with recruiting? Impeach Bush
then we'll talk.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:37 PM
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44. In 1999, I would have recommended military service.
To anyone. It's good for you, you can get cash for college, job experience and all that. Not anymore. You'd have to be a pretty big idiot to volunteer for George W. Bush's Army, and that's who you'd be serving with. A bunch of idiots who make George Bush look smart by comparison.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:30 PM
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51. I got out of the army in 1998
Best decision I ever made.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:24 PM
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40. and Rice says "time for talking with Iran is over".
Iran says, "you and what Army"?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:21 PM
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49. ...
:rofl:
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:35 PM
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42. That can't be right. I have a Republican friend (*ducking*) who
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 06:35 PM by mcscajun
tells me that the whole Iraq thing is winding down and enlistments are doing just fine. :hide:

Why should we listen to this guy Krepinevich when my buddy gets all the scoop from CNSNews, FoxNews, and his sources in the DoD? :sarcasm:
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:57 PM
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46. This , ahhh , ...."friend"....
he CAN find his zipper when it's time to take a leak....right?
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:47 PM
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48. LOL -- yeah, when he bothers to put pants on at all.
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 07:48 PM by mcscajun
:)

Needless to say, we do NOT talk politics. His remarks came up while discussing his cousin, a sergeant who's leaving the service for reasons other than his fear of being deployed to Iraq (yeah, sure -- that's the ticket.)

If you'd seen this thread last week
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
You'd know why I won't take the bait with this guy.
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:24 PM
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50. LOL...thanks for the heads up....
veeerry funny !
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:33 PM
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54. not news scoop, news poop
(see thread on registering pet chickens for more s***) Anyone who believes what now passes for "news" (propaganda) needs to stop drinking the flavored water.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 08:59 AM
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61. I have a friend who is a military doctor for new recruits.
She tells me she is under enormous pressure to approve people who should be medically disqualified from the military.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:47 PM
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56. no problem, KBR et al will supply us with merc "security" at $300K
per mercenary per year, as the repugs continue to cut taxes for the rich
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 10:02 PM
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57. Joulwan was my Division Commander in the 3rd Armored Division.
I was a platoon leader in mech infantry at the time. I didn't like him as much as the previous commander (Griffith) but he was a fast riser and got his four stars quick. He was Southcom commander (iirc) and then went on to NATO.

I think I will take his word over Rumsfeld's about the state of the Army.

Joulwan is a highly-respected general. When he says this you bet the Pentagon and Congress is listening. I hope Joulwan is against the neocons.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:08 AM
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59. You mean the yellow magnet stickers aren't helping?
Slogans like "We support the troops" aren't working? :sarcasm:

Where are the Bush voters?!?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:12 AM
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60. I bet what the problem is that....Most of those here did NOT buy one.
Why do all you non-SUV driving, didn't buy a yellow magnet ribbon, LW, America hating Anarchists.... It's all you people's fault. :sarcasm:
(Sorry, I love this little dog, but can never find a good time to include him)
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:20 AM
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63. The goal isn't to out last the insurgents.
The goal is to last until the Democrats take over so when the inevitable happens they can blame it on them.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:19 PM
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64. Exactly, that's usually how it works...
...I'm sure the ReThugs are wishing the hadn't stolen the 2004 elections, because I'm sure they would love to blame this massive budget deficit and the approaching recession on the Democrats in Congress.

Oh, and I love the fact that TODAY, Rummy said that both this study and the one the Congressional Democrats presented him yesterday, both are wrong, because he knows better. :banghead:
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:56 PM
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65. Yeah stretched so much that last week the raised the enlist age to 40!
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:05 PM
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66. but Rummy says US armed forces doing great, really well...
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:25 PM
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67. Kick again!
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