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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:50 PM
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Study: Married men earn more if wives do the chores
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 06:51 PM by truthpusher
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050621/od_uk_nm/oukoe_life...

Married men earn more if wives do the chores-study
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Married men earn more than bachelors so long as their wives stay at home doing the housework, according to a report on Wednesday from Britain's Institute for Social and Economic Research (ISER).

Academics Elena Bardasi and Mark Taylor found that a married man whose wife does not go out to work but is primarily responsible for the cooking and cleaning earns about 3 percent more than comparably employed single men.

But that wage premium disappears if wives go out to work themselves or don't do most of the housework.

"It has been fairly well documented that married men earn more than single men," Taylor, a labour economist, told Reuters.

"However, our research established the wage premium is related to the wife doing the chores," said the academic who teaches at the University of Essex.



complete story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050621/od_uk_nm/oukoe_life...
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:52 PM
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1. Not if the men are in IT
been there, done that.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:52 PM
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2. Oh Gawd!
Geezus H. Kreist.

Can an article get any more sexist and misleading than this?

Screeemmmm!

Sue
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BrendaStarr Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:22 AM
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47. Well said. Lets do the math
Married man makes 3% more if wifey does all the housework.

So instead of making lets give a generous $40K per annum, he makes 41.2K.

Whoopee!

Much better than having the wife go out and make 20-30 or 40K herself if she chooses.

What some men won't do to get out of cleaning house. (Me too, for that matter.)
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:13 AM
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54. But if a wife goes out and earns 20-40K...
...that means she could, conceivably, live independent of her husband if she needed to. You KNOW we can't have that.... :sarcasm:
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:55 AM
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61. More like women CAN stay home and do chores if men make enough.
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 08:56 AM by gorbal
They are screwing around with cause and effect with that story. Which came first, the rich guy or the homemaker? Most women can't AFFORD to stay home and do housework, although some would actually like to.

3% isn't really much considering that there would be more money comeing in if both worked.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:52 PM
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3. What a fucking bunch of bull shit this is
The wife who makes more than her husband DEMANDS that he do more about the house.

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:10 AM
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53. And women, being human...
...are willing to do more chores for a spouse that earns a lot of money.

Men who earn more money can be choosier, and may marry women who agree to do more housework.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:53 PM
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4. Did they research men hiring maids to do the chorese? Or
married couples hiring maids to do the chores? There are maid services that are affordable to most Middle class households, especially those with 2 incomes.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:54 PM
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5. Sheeze
When are they going to do the study that proves that men are happiest if their wives work for a good paycheck but make sure they get home in time to cook his dinner and then spend the weekends doing all the housework?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:54 PM
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6. mysogenism or wishful thinking?
pick one.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 09:35 AM
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62. sexism *and* classism
Add racism and you get a trifecta...
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:09 PM
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7. and how about men who still live with their mothers?
porr fellas, what happens when mom's too old to cook and do their laundry anymore.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:26 PM
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9. they buy a microwave and wear dirty clothes?
;)

Sorry, couldn't resist. :evilgrin: ;)
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:25 AM
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56. then they'll get married
;)
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:10 PM
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8. This is genuinely pathetic.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:29 PM
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10. This is the second time today I was tempted to hammer out ...
...a stream of expletives on the keyboard!
:wtf:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:31 PM
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11. Oh what in the hell? And on top of all the pitiful whining they're talking
about 3%? And just how does that mean the guy makes less? Because he has to take time off to piss and moan about his mean ol' woman who won't stay home and do the dishes or fold his laundry? To me that points to this being a man's frigging problem.

PLUS, if a woman works she more than makes up for the testicular whinebags shortfall anyway.

Crap, I am so sick and tired of this shit. When will we get passed this pathetic whiny crap?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:41 PM
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12. These results are logical
Of course the unmarried guy spends more time on housework, and is consequently more tired and less productive (experience speaking here).

Were any controls done with married men or women with housekeepers?
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:44 PM
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13. They have the cart before the horse. When I was working 65 to
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 07:45 PM by rzemanfl
70 hours a week to earn the "big bucks" the housework went to my wife by default-I wasn't there to help.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:13 PM
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28. I Think So Too, *But*
A guy who makes more money (and it doesn't even have to be a guy) is more likely to be able to support a homemaker than one who makes less.

As for the mere 3% difference, "I've got a wife/family to support" is often a successful way to get a raise. Employers will justify this.
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:31 AM
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59. That was my first thought...
A married couple who have a greater income can afford to allow one of them to stay home to undertake the equally difficult job of childraising and home and property care.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:46 PM
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14. Bah! If something needs to be done--dishes, cleaning, litter--you do it!
No politics involved. Do what needs to be done to have a sane living environment.

For every study you can whip out to support an idea, there's one to contradict it. That alone was worth my MA.
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rebel holler Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:55 PM
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15. Married men live longer, too
but we single guys get to watch more sports.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:58 PM
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16. Winner of this month's "You Call This NEWS?" award
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 08:15 PM by rocknation
...a married man whose wife does not go out to work but is primarily responsible for the cooking and cleaning earns about 3 percent more than comparably employed single men.

Well, duh! Why wouldn't ANYONE who can come home to a clean house, eat dinner without planning or preparing it, then sack out in front of the TV while the dished are being wash be a less distracted, less stressed, and more energetic employee? Women with a stay-at-home husbands who do all the housework, and single people with roomate who do all the housework probably earn more money than their single counterparts, too. To figure that out, someone had to do a freaking STUDY????

:crazy:
rocknation
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:06 PM
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17. Hell, who among us wouldn't earn more if
we had a house servant? I'd be back to six figures if I had a "house husband" around here, but seriously-who wants to spend their days doing housework?
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:11 PM
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18. Fuck this noise
This isn't "news" - it's just misogynistic tripe. Would they print an article saying women earn more if men do the chores...? Hmmm....
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:16 PM
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19. My Response
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:43 PM
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20. obvious motives of this "study" aside...
all they have shown is that a married couple that partitions domestic and professional tasks has a possible advantage over (1) a married couple that does not partake in such a division of labor and (2) a single male. I fail to see how this study (at least as the article describes it) can speak to a particular male-female dynamic advantage which leads to the claim that "married men earn more if wives do the chores."

To begin to make such a study complete they would have to run a parallel comparison of single women and married women who earn an income while the husbands stay home and perform varied degrees of domestic tasks. This would have to take into account the percentage income gap that already exists between men and women.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:52 PM
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21. I could probably be making tons of money if I had a slave at home.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:21 AM
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55. thank you leesa
when I get home I still have to make myself dinner and if necessary clean, do laundry, do errands - I'm sure I'd be more rested and productive if my free time was real free time. JEEZ.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:59 PM
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22. And married women earn more if husbands do the chores
At least, that's the way it is in my household!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:10 PM
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26. mine, too
I'm hoping my wife's salary passes mine by the end of the year, if not sooner!
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:59 PM
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42. Mine too--My wife has added an extra digit to her income
since I started staying home and cooking supper. We're still several thousands short of what we made when both of us worked, however. Could have hired a couple of servants on the difference....
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:36 AM
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58. My first thought exactly!
This poll is so stupid.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:01 PM
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23. so how many extra hours do they work?
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:08 PM
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24. "Oh June, I'm home!" RW's constant dreams of returning to the past
They never let up do they?

The past. That's where the Republicans dream of living. God, do they ever look forward, except for times where it will make them cash on someone else's back?
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Moosepoop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:29 AM
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51. Husband's wage goes up 5%
if the wife does the cooking/cleaning in high heels and pearls.
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:09 PM
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25. This wife used to earn 150K
I think we would be doing better financially I if went back to work.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:11 PM
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27. if my wife made $150K and wanted to stay home
I'd kill her! just kidding, of course... but, unless she absolutely hated her job, I'd encourage her to stick with it.
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:16 PM
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30. I hated my job and we hated our lifestyle
We never had family time so I quit and we downsized. I am now known as one of the most overqualified stay at home moms in the neighborhood.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:29 PM
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31. Me Too!
I only earned half as much as you but after I added it all up -- childcare, gas, even lunches and work clothes, I decided to stay home with the girls. I was starting to envy the nanny when I left in the morning, because if I had to work late I saw them for like an hour before bedtime.

I can sort of see this working with either spouse -- if you have someone whose main job is dealing with the kids and school and house stuff then of course, it is easier for the other spouse to work more hours, go on business trips, work for an advanced degree or whatever. I think it would work the same if I was working and he held down the fort here though!
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:20 AM
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46. That reminds me of my old neighbor
I thought I was pretty cool being a former flight attendant and my neighbor had stayed at home for 7 years. She had mentioned meeting her husband at work and I asked what she did - she was a former chemist for NASA working on their rocket fule - she was a friggin ROCKET SCIENTIST! LOL!! I didn't feel too cool after telling her I poured Pepsi at 30,000 feet. I would have never guessed it.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:14 PM
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29. Uh, it's called cause and effect.
Wives of men who earn more are ABLE to stay home and do the chores. Geez. :banghead:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:34 PM
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32. ROTFLMAO!!! DREAM ON, republicans!
My MARRIED MAN US soldier husband doesn't even gross in a year what I pay TAXES in a year!

So FOAD, arseholes.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:40 PM
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33. Could it be that men who earn more
can afford to have a wife who stays home and does the chores?

My wife was in the rat race until I started earning enough so that she did not have to work for sexist bastards anymore.

Guess what, I still do a good portion of the chores.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 10:44 PM
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38. But it's only an average of 3% more - I wouldn't think that would be
enough to afford a stay at home spouse.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:42 PM
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34. HAHAHAHA...Nice try, fellas.
That is a hoot.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:53 PM
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35. Let me see if I understand this now....
I earn $X now, as a single guy.
I get married, but my wife still works, I still earn $X.
Wifey STOPS working, suddenly I earn ($X)1.03.

WHY?
It sure as shit isn't because I have more time to "Hone" my job skills. Like I'm going to bring VCR's home? or stay at work another 2 hours working instead of going home and cleaning the fish tank?

That whole article sounded like Bullshit. And it's allegedly a BRITISH study.

In one of the check-out tabloids, I think maybe "Weekly World News", ALL of the most bizarre stories come from Britain. Come to think of it, the style they're written in is similar to that Reuter's story.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:59 PM
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36. Damn Straight!
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 10:18 PM by Danieljay
Now...woman....go to the kitchen and make me a pie!

Just kidding of course. I've already been called a homophobe gay basher for voicing an opinion on DU recently, I may as well be branded a sexist too!

What does this say about gay men? I've heard that the average gay man's income is quite a bit higher than the average straight man's. True? who's home doing HIS dishes?

Note: this comes out of research from Essex. My Newcastle girlfriend is going to have a blast with this one.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 10:42 PM
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37. It doesn't sound that outlandish - you just have 2 people supporting 1
position so the "breadwinner" dedicates more time to the work.

As half of a same sex couple I think one of us might earn more if the other could pick up all the other daily chores. But it wouldn't be a gender thing (obviously), just allocation of resources. And of course one of us still wouldn't earn more than both of us.
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:33 PM
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39. Logical
The study is bias in only studying the MEN and not trying to further understand what the info means.

The reality is, a stay at home parent is a House Hold Manager. That means there is a full time person who is responsible for not only the HOME, but the children, doctor appointments, teacher appointments, class assignments, sport events, etc. These things take time and energy to do. And can be stressful at times.

A Nanny could do the job as well.... Another words, a person could be HIRED to do the job if need be.

As to why a person who has such a House Hold Manager could earn more... it's very easy. Less personal calls on the job, less family emergencys requiring their immediate attention. This makes them more reliable on the job. They can work late at a momment's notice. Play kiss ass golf when needed... See the point?

This is one of the resons for that Glass Ceiling that has been bothering women for years. It was considered unacceptable that the HUSBAND would pick up certian responsiblities if the WOMAN'S job demanded he do so. It was automaticly expected for the wife to do such things, if the MAN'S job required her to do so. I'm talking by society as a whole, not the husband and wife. A single person was seen as not taking life seriously and a single person with children was seen as someone with no "back-up."

Things are changing. Men are no longer terrorized by their friends and peers if the wife brings home more bacon then he does. Instead... they are jeoulus of him. ;) This USE to be a very, very big deal. Now, men can be the "stay at home" person.

What they found is very logical. But they need to also include working couples with Nannys, Singles with Nannys, Wife who works/husband that stays at home. Other words, they are not getting a true picture of what they are trying to study.

Oh, that's right. They are trying to prove that wifes should stay at home. LOL! Oh well, me bad.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:37 PM
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40. Erase 70 Years of History and Then Will They Be Raptured?
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 11:37 PM by AuntiBush
They're is nothing better then watching them "hang themselves." And they're doing such a "fine job" at that! No wonder their faithful followers are brainless - their leaders are, too.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:39 PM
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41. Since the study comes from England, why don't they analyze
all the help at Windsor Castle and figure out if Queen Elizabeth or Prince Phillip do anything at all around the house?

From the 1970s and Marlo Thomas' wonderful ode --

"Your mother hates housework,
Your father hates housework,
And when you grow up
You'll hate housework, too!"
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Sivafae Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 01:11 AM
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43. While I agree with most responses, perhaps there is more motivation
propelling the partner working.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:07 AM
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44. Oh Gawd, I can see it now! Some neaderthal will read this "study"
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 02:07 AM by mgdecombe
and insist that his wife quit her 45K job so that he can get a 3% raise on his job.

It's all about the wifey staying home.

Well FUCK YOU, "academic at the University of Essex". You can kiss my money-making ass while I order some takeout.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:38 AM
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45. Good thinking, now just pay us to stay home....
send a check, every week! :sarcasm:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:42 AM
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48. GOLLY GEE, a whole 3% more? Perhaps I'm all wrong on this 'slavery' issue!
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 03:45 AM by dicksteele
(do I even need to use the "sarcasm" smiley for that?)

This "study" was so messed up from the get-go, it's not even worth ranting about.
Their "parameters and preconceptions" MIGHT have had some TINY amount of validity back in 1955 or so....

....if "Leave It to Beaver" wasn't FICTION...

...and key word being "MIGHT".

But way back in the 1980s,
(here in the 'Reality-Based' world),
Some of our top research scientists discovered a FUNDAMENTAL CLICHE.

4 simple words which 'sum-up' this alleged "study":
"Garbage in, garbage OUT."

And that's all I have to say about THAT.

(EDITED for Dramatic Effect)
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:57 AM
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49. I'm sure the same is true reversing the genders as well
Marriage is a partnership, and if one covers the home front and one
the foreign front, its sorta like "domestic" and "foreign"... and when
one is out of kilter, the other suffers as well.

Who doesn't want to come home to a clean house, with bills paid, with
clean sheets, a clean bathroom, with healthy cooked food, loved children
and details sorted. It allows the "breadwinner" to keep their balance
in an unstable world. I think this study simply states the bleedin
obvious... just that they're wrong about tying it to gender. A
working woman needs a "wifey" as much as a working man.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:08 AM
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50. Huh. I read this whole thread and am not offended by one post.
Nice work, responsible adults of DU. Excellent. The most picky of all contributors is appeased--that's hard to do. All Dems together, now: Try again, Karl.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:48 AM
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52. 3%? which, after taxes, is 2%? so $60k/year goes up by $4/day?
who cares.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:26 AM
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57. what decade was this?!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:33 AM
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60. THREE PERCENT MORE EARNED? Hell, let's buy the beach house....
....in Gary Indiana or Newark NJ

:eyes:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 10:17 AM
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63. Nobody is rating this story, it seems it only has 19 votes
What about men who stay home while the wife goes to work anyway?

Hell I got a laundry list of HONEY-do's that could keep me busy for years.

Lots of guys I talk to say being at work is much easier than being at home :shrug:
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