| 130. if you read my first sentence, I think it's clear that |
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Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 01:30 AM by spooky3
I'm not questioning her sense of violation or the reality of the inappropriateness of the two horrid "choices". So, let's not confuse the points.
Putting a finger or hand, etc., in an internal body part is not the same as touching an external body part. It's pretty easy to think of analogous situations that I don't want to spell out here.
And, calling a body part by the wrong name should be corrected; a heart is not a liver, or an arm, etc. It's offensive to me that in this culture, we have dozens of crude, slang terms for female body parts, but many people don't care to learn the right names for them or object if someone offers the correct name. I am NOT saying you are doing this but that this happens in the culture.
There IS a meaningful distinction, legally and linguistically.
That does NOT mean that unwanted touching is OK regardless of where it occurs.
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| -Former Miss USA winner: TSA agent ‘touched my vagina’ |
kpete |
Apr-28-11 05:18 PM |
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Her vagina? Really? |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 05:21 PM |
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Apr-28-11 05:37 PM |
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+1 n/t |
demmiblue |
Apr-28-11 05:40 PM |
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Very creepy ~ |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-28-11 05:47 PM |
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What nonsense... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 05:48 PM |
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Some of us aren't so willing to give up our liberty for a false sense of security |
Ghost in the Machine |
Apr-28-11 05:58 PM |
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Ben Franklin I believe |
MiniMe |
Apr-28-11 06:10 PM |
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Thank you, sad that you have to even say that. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-28-11 06:20 PM |
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No one had to remind me of that quote or that fact... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:28 PM |
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Where did I ever say this action was OK? |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:22 PM |
#41 |
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Ummm... |
Ghost in the Machine |
Apr-28-11 08:35 PM |
#113 |
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I don't see how being patted down is giving up liberty |
adigal |
Apr-28-11 07:02 PM |
#61 |
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People can hide lots of things in their body cavities. |
LisaL |
Apr-28-11 07:22 PM |
#72 |
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A snook? In her Snizz? |
Fuzz |
Apr-28-11 08:15 PM |
#96 |
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Trading flying for being pat down is giving up liberty. |
jp11 |
Apr-28-11 07:31 PM |
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There is no inalienable right to get on a plane |
adigal |
Apr-28-11 07:38 PM |
#79 |
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Never said it was. |
jp11 |
Apr-28-11 08:08 PM |
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Wrong, and I am getting tired of correcting this rightwing |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-28-11 11:59 PM |
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+1000 I'm sick of people who are passive as we lose our rights. n/t |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 01:29 AM |
#135 |
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You don't have to pat down, or be scanned to fly.... |
boppers |
Apr-28-11 08:21 PM |
#101 |
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Wow, the brainwashing is almost complete! |
Ghost in the Machine |
Apr-28-11 09:06 PM |
#117 |
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yes, so long as you stay in your house you are "free". if you actually want to do something, that's |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-30-11 03:31 AM |
#179 |
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If it is 'molestation' when done to women and children it is also 'molestation' when done to men or |
jp11 |
Apr-28-11 08:03 PM |
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Durrrrrr...... |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-29-11 12:02 AM |
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When one uses the phrase women and children it by design excludes those that don't fall in those |
jp11 |
Apr-29-11 01:44 PM |
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Yes, it is, I completely agree. And it has been done to men. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-11 01:31 AM |
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A-freakin'-men!!! nt |
U4ikLefty |
Apr-29-11 01:13 AM |
#129 |
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'Go, Team' hypocrisy is despicable |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 01:24 AM |
#132 |
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Yes, these searches began last year, and people should go to |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-11 01:41 AM |
#141 |
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Ah, But that "miniscule threat" is from brown people that don't speak english |
Yavin4 |
Apr-29-11 12:59 PM |
#170 |
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I was referring to a pat down in general... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 05:47 PM |
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Read your words I quoted. Explicit and gross. |
PufPuf23 |
Apr-28-11 06:03 PM |
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Apr-28-11 06:15 PM |
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OFFS... please read what I wrote... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:17 PM |
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JuniperLea... I can't believe what you wrote either... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-11 06:21 PM |
#40 |
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How does this mean that I approve of these actions? |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:24 PM |
#43 |
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You explicitly call out this woman on her complaints... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-11 06:28 PM |
#46 |
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Bullshit |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:36 PM |
#49 |
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So because this woman misspoke with repsect to the term for her |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-11 06:42 PM |
#50 |
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My post is very clear if you don't try to put words into it that are not there. |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:48 PM |
#52 |
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I doubt very seriously that |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-11 07:54 PM |
#84 |
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... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-11 07:58 PM |
#86 |
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What an insult to 'poor, destitute women' |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 01:45 AM |
#143 |
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Med prof pal says such TSA searches could be spreading Herpes simplex |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 01:36 AM |
#138 |
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agree +1000 |
guardian |
Apr-29-11 10:55 AM |
#158 |
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"The TSA is an entirely unnecessary agency at airports." |
TheWraith |
Apr-28-11 06:06 PM |
#26 |
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There was airline security and going through screening and |
PufPuf23 |
Apr-28-11 06:16 PM |
#37 |
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So, airport screening on 9/11 was good enough? |
TheWraith |
Apr-28-11 06:30 PM |
#48 |
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Back then boxcutters were allowed onto the plane. |
LisaL |
Apr-28-11 07:21 PM |
#71 |
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No they were not. |
TheWraith |
Apr-28-11 07:29 PM |
#76 |
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According to wikipedia, knifes with blades up to 4 inches were |
LisaL |
Apr-28-11 07:38 PM |
#80 |
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FAA regs permitted them. But the FAA didn't run airport security. |
TheWraith |
Apr-29-11 01:40 AM |
#140 |
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I travelled with a little one for years that was part of a little tool kit |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-28-11 08:27 PM |
#103 |
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Then yours was a case of the airlines not enforcing their own rules. |
TheWraith |
Apr-29-11 01:42 AM |
#142 |
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So every major airport in the US, Western Europe and Asia were all wrong? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-29-11 03:24 AM |
#151 |
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They used to let my on board witha 4 inch switcblade. |
aikoaiko |
Apr-29-11 09:46 AM |
#152 |
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The 9/11 hijackers didn't need boxcutters. |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-29-11 09:53 AM |
#154 |
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I'm not happy with the level of scrutiny either... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:29 PM |
#47 |
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I apologize if I hurt your feelings but was blown away by your post. |
PufPuf23 |
Apr-28-11 06:54 PM |
#55 |
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You seriously fucked my mind... and I don't know how to get over this... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:59 PM |
#60 |
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Your hurt and insult at WORDS on DU are nothing compared to the hurt and insult of this woman |
woo me with science |
Apr-28-11 07:38 PM |
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I am hurt for that woman and for the children and the men |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-11 01:10 AM |
#128 |
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Woo Me with Science, great post ^^ I've another issue |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 02:25 AM |
#147 |
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Damn right and thank you. |
pecwae |
Apr-29-11 03:44 PM |
#175 |
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Then oppose it rather than wiping and dangling. |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-28-11 06:55 PM |
#57 |
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OFFS... please read what I wrote... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 07:06 PM |
#63 |
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I think you need to re-read your first reply to this thread. |
chrisa |
Apr-28-11 08:21 PM |
#102 |
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Homeland Security is the unnecessary agency, not the TSA n/t |
leftstreet |
Apr-28-11 06:09 PM |
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+1,0000000000000 I think I am in shock just reading that... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-11 06:12 PM |
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Oh yeah, she deserved it! |
chrisa |
Apr-28-11 08:15 PM |
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And YOU are being stupidly insensitive. |
Matariki |
Apr-28-11 08:27 PM |
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Well since she is pretty and successful she deserves it right? |
Cid_B |
Apr-28-11 08:30 PM |
#109 |
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Yuk. Maybe they can make a separate line for those who expect crotch buggery, |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-28-11 11:42 PM |
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LOL - I would expect that you would freely submit to whatever |
TBF |
Apr-29-11 10:57 AM |
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The pat down means must that, you get patted, felt, all over, including your "private area" |
uppityperson |
Apr-29-11 11:32 AM |
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Sexually being assaulted while traveling.... Being beaten at the I Hop. |
midnight |
Apr-28-11 05:24 PM |
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Perhaps she means vulva? |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-28-11 05:25 PM |
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Yes, there have been other threads here at DU about this mistake. |
spooky3 |
Apr-28-11 05:46 PM |
#11 |
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When one feels they have been violated - it is a distinction without a difference. |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-29-11 12:06 AM |
#127 |
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if you read my first sentence, I think it's clear that |
spooky3 |
Apr-29-11 01:18 AM |
#130 |
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I've given up. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Apr-29-11 04:49 PM |
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That's what I was inferring with my post... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 05:52 PM |
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I think you meant "imply" |
REP |
Apr-28-11 06:22 PM |
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You are right... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:42 PM |
#51 |
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But which is it? |
Doremus |
Apr-28-11 07:06 PM |
#64 |
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It's a pick your poison situation... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 07:10 PM |
#66 |
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How? By flying out of a terminal where the scanners aren't installed yet. |
Gormy Cuss |
Apr-28-11 08:05 PM |
#91 |
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Get on a private plane instead. |
boppers |
Apr-28-11 08:27 PM |
#105 |
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But I think you are, despite the denials. |
Doremus |
Apr-28-11 09:36 PM |
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Just funny - joking about use of an inexact word, then making a worse error |
REP |
Apr-28-11 07:57 PM |
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Most women don't use the terms 'vulva' or 'labia'; SO WHAT? n/t |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 01:39 AM |
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I wasn't the one complaining about the use of 'vagina;' I was replying to someone who was |
REP |
Apr-29-11 02:01 AM |
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I see that now. *smile* |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 02:15 AM |
#146 |
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regardless, no one else's hands belong in that area uninvited...no one n/t |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 07:05 PM |
#62 |
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That is the point... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 07:12 PM |
#67 |
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and we are even patting down children |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 07:18 PM |
#68 |
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Oh, I completely agree |
REP |
Apr-28-11 07:23 PM |
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The whole vagina, vulva thing is really fucking irritating....folks, that is just like |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 07:28 PM |
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I understand "vagina" is used to mean labia, vulva, pudendum, etc - I think most people do, really |
REP |
Apr-28-11 07:44 PM |
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I know, and it is still your private area...that is what I find irritating |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 07:51 PM |
#83 |
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We agree; additionally, mocking her for her word choice is assinine |
REP |
Apr-28-11 08:01 PM |
#88 |
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absolutely...and yeah, you were clear :) |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 08:17 PM |
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The most depressing part is seeing DUers here defending such actions... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-28-11 08:01 PM |
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You say cowardly, and I'll raise you one....I say accepting of it |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 08:18 PM |
#98 |
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whoever it is |
shanti |
Apr-28-11 08:18 PM |
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I'm glad others notice this also |
uppityperson |
Apr-28-11 06:11 PM |
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HEY! I drive a Volva ... it has a spoiler too |
underpants |
Apr-28-11 06:12 PM |
#32 |
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Who cares what kind of car she drives? |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-28-11 08:00 PM |
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I'm glad that the TSA is protecting us from exploding vagina's. |
L0oniX |
Apr-28-11 05:27 PM |
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Similar attacks have already happened. |
boppers |
Apr-28-11 08:30 PM |
#108 |
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While over 40,000 people die every year I think there are other more likely ways to die. |
L0oniX |
Apr-29-11 10:09 AM |
#157 |
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There is only one way to stop this, and that is for the American public to stop flying |
MadHound |
Apr-28-11 05:32 PM |
#5 |
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That's what the boys want. |
formercia |
Apr-28-11 05:37 PM |
#7 |
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No, I don't think so |
MadHound |
Apr-28-11 05:51 PM |
#17 |
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Loosen your tin foil hat. |
TheWraith |
Apr-28-11 06:07 PM |
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Travelers need to ease up! |
chbrad2 |
Apr-28-11 05:37 PM |
#8 |
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'Scuse me, have you worked with back scatter scanners? |
MadHound |
Apr-28-11 05:50 PM |
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Don't forget to *send* the dosimeter off between the checkpoint and the plane. |
boppers |
Apr-28-11 08:36 PM |
#114 |
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Right on |
chbrad2 |
Apr-30-11 01:45 PM |
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Agreed |
Sherman A1 |
Apr-28-11 05:48 PM |
#15 |
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Exactly right. |
TheWraith |
Apr-28-11 06:08 PM |
#28 |
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i am there. i refuse. i have turned down trips and driven across country |
seabeyond |
Apr-28-11 06:16 PM |
#36 |
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My daughter gave up the opportunity for a scholarship at an |
LibDemAlways |
May-01-11 12:43 AM |
#188 |
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Aren't Miss USA winners Trump employees? |
Bad Thoughts |
Apr-28-11 05:39 PM |
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Are the children who have been molested by the TSA Trump |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-28-11 05:54 PM |
#19 |
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It's a question of politicization |
Bad Thoughts |
Apr-28-11 06:25 PM |
#44 |
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Oh bullshit, sorry to be so blunt. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-28-11 06:49 PM |
#54 |
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You're naive, sorry to be blunt |
Bad Thoughts |
Apr-28-11 06:56 PM |
#58 |
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Did you read what has been to little children? To men, |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-28-11 11:52 PM |
#124 |
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I think anyone planning to ask for a pat-down should wear slacks. |
pnwmom |
Apr-28-11 05:54 PM |
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So we should just now resign ourselves to the abuse, |
MadHound |
Apr-28-11 06:02 PM |
#24 |
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I didn't say you couldn't protest as well. |
pnwmom |
Apr-28-11 06:13 PM |
#34 |
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...or the gov't could not have flyers molested. nt |
U4ikLefty |
Apr-29-11 01:18 AM |
#131 |
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I wonder what happens when a woman is patted down and she wearing a maxi pad? |
notadmblnd |
Apr-28-11 06:48 PM |
#53 |
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The police would do a strip search... |
JuniperLea |
Apr-28-11 06:56 PM |
#59 |
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Why would they do that? My daughter had a pat-down while wearing a pad |
pnwmom |
Apr-28-11 07:07 PM |
#65 |
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Then WTF is the point of these patdowns anyway? |
LisaL |
Apr-28-11 07:20 PM |
#70 |
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Would a pad feel like a bomb? n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-28-11 07:26 PM |
#74 |
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Plastic explosives can be molded into any shape. |
LisaL |
Apr-28-11 07:30 PM |
#77 |
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What I've read is that some women who were wearing pads |
pnwmom |
Apr-28-11 11:33 PM |
#121 |
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How disgusting, that people are even talking about this. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-11 01:27 AM |
#134 |
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She had JEANS on. |
Matariki |
Apr-28-11 08:33 PM |
#111 |
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If she was wearing jeans, how could they |
pnwmom |
Apr-28-11 11:43 PM |
#123 |
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I don't think there is anyone here who doesn't understand what |
LisaL |
Apr-29-11 02:04 AM |
#145 |
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I guess after having gone through countless exams and the birth |
pnwmom |
Apr-29-11 02:53 AM |
#148 |
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It always amazes me that people can so completely fail to put themselves in another's place. |
Matariki |
Apr-29-11 12:54 PM |
#168 |
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I think you are unnecessarily nitpicking words. The point remains. |
Matariki |
Apr-29-11 12:46 PM |
#166 |
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Such a high profile person should denounce Homeland Security policies n/t |
leftstreet |
Apr-28-11 05:59 PM |
#22 |
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I've been convinced for a while that some of these people think... |
AngryOldDem |
Apr-28-11 06:00 PM |
#23 |
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lots of jobs |
shanti |
Apr-28-11 08:27 PM |
#104 |
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Whiny child. Doesn't she understand being molested is necessary to protect her from terra? |
BlueIris |
Apr-28-11 06:55 PM |
#56 |
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I'm really beginning to think some of these agents get off on this shit n.t |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 07:19 PM |
#69 |
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ya think? other than the opportunity to steal iShit... |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-28-11 08:28 PM |
#107 |
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from what I'm told, the pay is pretty decent |
TK421 |
Apr-28-11 08:44 PM |
#116 |
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This thread is worthless without pictures.... |
aikoaiko |
Apr-28-11 08:10 PM |
#93 |
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This is a good reason not to fly w/your kids these days. |
ClarkUSA |
Apr-28-11 08:13 PM |
#94 |
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Next ... strip searches -- !! Body cavity searches -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Apr-28-11 08:20 PM |
#100 |
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Someone should do a study on whether young women are being disproportionately targeted |
Matariki |
Apr-28-11 08:31 PM |
#110 |
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Clearly it's a case of sex-crazed Lesbians being paid to run amock at our nation's airports |
Johnny Morales |
Apr-28-11 08:35 PM |
#112 |
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Reading what she wrote, yes, a "pat down" includes "grazing private area".I don't think it is right |
uppityperson |
Apr-28-11 08:36 PM |
#115 |
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Pics or it didn't happen. |
Nailzberg |
Apr-28-11 10:19 PM |
#119 |
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You really want to see a woman in a situation that is obviously distressing to her? Creepy. n/t |
demmiblue |
Apr-28-11 10:24 PM |
#120 |
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Many males think it's 'funny'. |
Mimosa |
Apr-29-11 01:27 AM |
#133 |
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Perverts, these tactics were thought up by perverts, just like the |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-29-11 03:03 AM |
#149 |
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I kind of feel like slapping you with a book written by Judith Butler. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-29-11 01:32 AM |
#137 |
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sexual molestation turns you on? a woman crying excites you? nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-29-11 09:55 AM |
#155 |
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I'd rather fly out of Tel Aviv than Atlanta right now. |
crickets |
Apr-29-11 03:10 AM |
#150 |
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Abolish the TSA. |
Eric J in MN |
Apr-29-11 09:49 AM |
#153 |
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I know I'll be flamed or put on ignore but... |
ecstatic |
Apr-29-11 10:08 AM |
#156 |
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yes you are correct |
StarburstClock |
Apr-29-11 11:21 AM |
#160 |
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No flames here. For you or Juniper. If you are getting pat down, yes, your "private area" gets |
uppityperson |
Apr-29-11 11:25 AM |
#161 |
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Exactly. I don't see the need for pat downs either |
ecstatic |
Apr-29-11 11:44 AM |
#163 |
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so she deserved it for not taking the x-ray? |
CreekDog |
Apr-30-11 02:13 PM |
#182 |
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deserved what? a standard pat down? |
ecstatic |
Apr-30-11 06:39 PM |
#184 |
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i trust science and doctors on vaccines |
CreekDog |
Apr-30-11 06:57 PM |
#185 |
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Hate to nit-pick, but the word I think she wants is 'vulva' |
Taverner |
Apr-29-11 12:28 PM |
#164 |
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so so many sheep and shill comments on this thread, shame on the anti-liberty posters |
stockholmer |
Apr-29-11 12:38 PM |
#165 |
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Where? Link to one that says this is ok. Link or quit the insults |
uppityperson |
Apr-29-11 12:49 PM |
#167 |
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do not patronize me, please, I know you have read the strand, starting w/ reply #1 |
stockholmer |
Apr-30-11 03:28 AM |
#178 |
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I do not think that word means what you think it means. You can read minds? wow. |
uppityperson |
May-01-11 12:13 AM |
#186 |
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Has anyone seen the word "vagina" appear on a newspaper front page over this? |
flamingdem |
Apr-29-11 12:57 PM |
#169 |
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She said she's been patted down before and it was no problem |
Catherine Vincent |
Apr-29-11 01:03 PM |
#171 |
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Uh...she touched your vagina? |
Aerows |
Apr-29-11 01:05 PM |
#172 |
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oh...this is the Susie Castillo from MTV? |
alp227 |
Apr-29-11 01:24 PM |
#173 |
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Infuckingcredible |
pecwae |
Apr-29-11 03:51 PM |
#176 |
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Sorry. We know what she meant |
Taverner |
Apr-30-11 02:19 PM |
#183 |
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It would be very difficult to touch a vagina on a clothed body. |
Vinca |
Apr-30-11 02:09 PM |
#181 |
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I do a lot of travleing for work. Just this past week, I went through |
johnaries |
May-01-11 12:31 AM |
#187 |