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120. Me too. They do it by telling us that they're
"pragmatic". Usually. Well, pragmatic is NOT bailing on your convictions BEFORE YOU EVEN START THE NEGOTIATIONS. Pragmatic is settling for somethng less than you want AFTER YOU'VE FOUGHT AS HARD AS YOU CAN FOR THE WHOLE PROPOSAL.
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  -Liberal Sock Puppets Right Wing/Corporate Operatives Attacking Democrats From The "Left" TomCADem  Apr-26-11 09:45 PM   #0 
  - I've suspected such tactics even here, and no doubt have seen them on other message boards. n/t  Kurmudgeon   Apr-26-11 09:49 PM   #1 
  - I don't just suspect it. I am completely convinced of it.  kestrel91316   Apr-26-11 09:59 PM   #4 
  - We know the Koch's gave $ to the DLC---why wouldn't they fund DLC/Third Way online-puppets, as well?  CrossChris   Apr-27-11 12:42 PM   #77 
  - Is that why "centrist" Democrats rewarded them with such massive tax cuts?  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:14 PM   #103 
     - Centrist Dems reward the Koch's every day. Union busting, "entitlement" reform, etc.  CrossChris   Apr-28-11 09:47 AM   #145 
  - They are on forums like DU. Couching as the most ardently progressive  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 04:55 PM   #94 
  - I'll take this one step further and speculate  Telly Savalas   Apr-27-11 11:47 PM   #134 
  - Wow. Time to break out the black helicopters.  SlimJimmy   Apr-28-11 02:37 PM   #168 
  - That is what OP's such as this one are hoping to convince others of.  NorthCarolina   Apr-28-11 01:42 PM   #163 
  - This OP is total BS. Should have been ignore but I was so mad I took the bait  unc70   Apr-29-11 03:45 AM   #183 
  - This is what these Corporadems want!  Cascadian   May-01-11 02:20 AM   #199 
  - ^ That's BS and a bit of a silly smear^  Mimosa   May-01-11 01:06 AM   #193 
  - As am I...  sendero   Apr-29-11 05:35 AM   #185 
  - "Even here."  tabasco   Apr-26-11 10:02 PM   #6 
  - agree.  AsahinaKimi   Apr-26-11 10:35 PM   #18 
  - Yes. I am afraid so. I stated so many moons ago. nt  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 04:57 PM   #95 
  - Wouldn't most of that corporate lobbying $ go to "centrists" attacking the liberal platform?  CrossChris   Apr-27-11 09:12 AM   #60 
  - You're absolutely right...  Youth Uprising   Apr-27-11 09:29 AM   #65 
  - I disagree  PotatoChip   Apr-27-11 11:37 AM   #69 
     - How is the right even capable of attacking from the left? Like I said--what if it caught on?  CrossChris   Apr-27-11 12:39 PM   #75 
     - Thanks. Good thoughtful questions and I mean that sincerely.  PotatoChip   Apr-27-11 02:48 PM   #84 
     - In short, they don't think it will catch on.  boppers   Apr-28-11 12:46 AM   #139 
        - I have never seen one of those strawmen advocated in any online forum, troll or not.  CrossChris   Apr-28-11 10:53 AM   #152 
           - Those are exaggertions of some very valid left positions -  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 11:12 AM   #153 
              - I've never seen it, and frankly this seems like a left-discrediting, divisive tactic in itself.  CrossChris   Apr-28-11 01:00 PM   #160 
              - That was my point.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 01:34 PM   #162 
                 - I could not disagree with you more. This whole thread is misdirection, IMO.  CrossChris   Apr-28-11 01:54 PM   #165 
                 - See my post 151, below.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 02:05 PM   #166 
                 - Ding ding ding!  boppers   Apr-28-11 04:31 PM   #172 
              - Self-delete.  OnyxCollie   May-01-11 01:00 AM   #191 
     - Perhaps a bit of both?  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 10:42 AM   #151 
  - One reason only, to convince centrists either to change their vote to right wing or stay home.  Kurmudgeon   Apr-27-11 01:50 PM   #82 
  - If they do that, our party moves left. Why not do the same thing, but move it to the right?  CrossChris   Apr-27-11 04:41 PM   #92 
     - See my post 153, above. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 11:15 AM   #155 
  - No. Moderates are easy to out if they attempt to mole in. But progressives  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 04:59 PM   #96 
     - Bullshit. When the left attacks Democrats it is because the Democrats  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 11:20 AM   #156 
        - Hear! Hear!  Cascadian   May-01-11 02:21 AM   #200 
        - +1  Kurovski   May-01-11 02:44 AM   #201 
  - My "Buddy" list here is a collection of people I am convinced are RW trolls...  cliffordu   Apr-27-11 11:31 PM   #132 
  - Just signed up to Freepers; Fighting them at their own game.  AllTooEasy   Apr-28-11 12:23 PM   #159 
  - Don't fail to mention sites like Bob Cescas Awsome Blog where  RonboKC   Apr-30-11 01:08 PM   #187 
  - The Freepers brag about their "operatives" here  K8-EEE   Apr-26-11 09:59 PM   #2 
  - Thanks for the memories, especially #2  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-26-11 09:59 PM   #3 
  - Well, I have never registered or commented under any name but my own. . .  markpkessinger   Apr-26-11 11:34 PM   #42 
     - Hit a nerve? You seem to be taking this way too personally.  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-26-11 11:39 PM   #44 
        - I am passionate about my views . . .  markpkessinger   Apr-26-11 11:43 PM   #46 
        - Alrighty then. And for the record, Greenwald is no liberal. He's a civil libertarian.  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-26-11 11:51 PM   #47 
        - Almost all liberals are civil libertarians too.  JoeyT   Apr-27-11 02:49 PM   #85 
        - Link? Because if true "liberals" understood the tenants of hardcore libertarianism,  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-27-11 04:29 PM   #91 
           - The 'there is no difference" progressives do stand out.  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 05:05 PM   #97 
           - Ya got me...  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-27-11 05:57 PM   #118 
           - No Progressive I know is comfortable with the election of Right Wingers  2banon   Apr-27-11 08:30 PM   #123 
           - You want a link, here's one of the best: "A Liberal Definition by John F. Kennedy"  bananas   Apr-27-11 05:07 PM   #98 
           - You're confusing civil libertarians with economic libertarians  bananas   Apr-27-11 05:10 PM   #101 
           - Here's another link - the Political Compass  bananas   Apr-27-11 05:17 PM   #105 
           - Here's how DUers rated themselves on the Political Compass  bananas   Apr-27-11 05:31 PM   #114 
           - Obama is so right-wing, he wouldn't be allowed to post here on DU  bananas   Apr-27-11 05:58 PM   #119 
           - Heh, Heh  panzerfaust   Apr-29-11 05:31 AM   #184 
           - Civil libertarians aren't necessarily libertarian.  JoeyT   Apr-29-11 01:05 AM   #181 
        - A civil libertarian is not a libertarian.  Luminous Animal   Apr-27-11 05:21 PM   #107 
        - Civil Libertarian's are largely Socialist Libertarians  2banon   Apr-27-11 08:32 PM   #124 
        - Greenwald is a CIVIL Libertarian. . .  markpkessinger   Apr-27-11 10:02 PM   #126 
           - And a huge difference between a "liberal" and a "libertarian" of any stripe.  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-27-11 11:26 PM   #131 
              - This is nonsense!  markpkessinger   Apr-28-11 05:37 PM   #174 
        - If that is said to you on DU, then it is against the rules, and you should alert.  bobbolink   Apr-27-11 03:54 PM   #90 
        - "People can be whomever they want to be, on the internet."  boppers   Apr-28-11 12:51 AM   #140 
  - Gee they are fast on this tactic.......not. I knew a long time ago that it was wing nuts that  mrcheerful   Apr-26-11 10:01 PM   #5 
  - Like "Both sides are the same, so vote Republican! " n/m  Kurmudgeon   Apr-27-11 01:52 PM   #83 
     - Or stay home. Which is the same as voting republican. nt  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 05:08 PM   #100 
  - The internet is a house of mirrors. Anyone could be/say anything for any objective. nt  patrice   Apr-26-11 10:03 PM   #7 
  - Very true. And while I've posted about Ratfucking on DU before, it's a sensitive subject because  KittyWampus   Apr-27-11 09:17 AM   #63 
     - I think about this a lot. I have decided that it can be "just words on a screen". It can also be  patrice   Apr-27-11 10:32 AM   #67 
  - Quick look away from the Koch powered Turd Way that has been eating the party like cancer  TheKentuckian   Apr-26-11 10:05 PM   #8 
  - +1  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 10:06 PM   #10 
  - True that!  Hardrada   Apr-26-11 10:24 PM   #12 
  - There's such a difference between what the OP is claiming is occuring and what actually is occuring.  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 10:55 PM   #23 
     - Exactly!  Hardrada   Apr-26-11 11:05 PM   #26 
     - WaPo (2008) - "Win Points for McCain! Rewards Program for Online Commenters" - Ignore at Your Peril!  TomCADem   Apr-26-11 11:15 PM   #29 
     - +1  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-26-11 11:42 PM   #45 
     - The only way to erode support for Democrats on the left  sabrina 1   Apr-27-11 11:57 AM   #72 
        - Classic Rovian/Third Way projection. nt  CrossChris   Apr-27-11 12:43 PM   #78 
        - Is that an agreement or an accusation? nt  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 12:08 PM   #157 
           - I agree with the poster I was responding to. Sorry, I wasn't clear.  CrossChris   Apr-28-11 02:57 PM   #169 
              - Actually, reading your other posts, I figured that out  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 03:22 PM   #170 
        - If so, then why do Republican propagandists engage in such acts? To help the left?  TomCADem   Apr-28-11 12:04 AM   #135 
        - First, I go by issues. I watch what a Democrat DOES, how s/he  sabrina 1   Apr-28-11 01:18 AM   #144 
           - Thank you... A million times, thank you!  theFrankFactor   May-01-11 12:43 AM   #190 
        - Pol Pot left or Stalin left or Mao left....?  boppers   Apr-28-11 12:58 AM   #142 
     - yep  saras   Apr-26-11 11:31 PM   #40 
  - +2  mmonk   Apr-27-11 05:27 AM   #57 
  - Fantastic, blanket discreditation of anyone critical of Dems from the left. Fall in line or else  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 10:05 PM   #9 
  - I Know It Is Forbidden To Suggest That Liberals Can Be Mislead By Corporate Propaganda  TomCADem   Apr-26-11 10:26 PM   #13 
  - There's a stark difference between what your OP claims and what it actually contains.  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 10:51 PM   #19 
     - Thank you! +1000 n/t  markpkessinger   Apr-27-11 10:04 PM   #127 
  - Sounds like misdirection from Third Way to me.  CrossChris   Apr-27-11 09:13 AM   #61 
  - Most people I know IRL are way to the left of Obama  XemaSab   Apr-26-11 10:15 PM   #11 
  - Hell Eisenhower was left of Obama. n/t  hootinholler   Apr-27-11 01:36 PM   #79 
     - Ironically, in some ways so was Nixon n/t  markpkessinger   Apr-27-11 10:04 PM   #128 
  - Point of information... The AZ Green Party sued to have the sham candidates removed...  Luminous Animal   Apr-26-11 10:27 PM   #14 
  - I am more leery of the liberal/dem posters that keep trying to pull us to the right. n/t  demmiblue   Apr-26-11 10:32 PM   #15 
  - Yes and this sounds like yet another attempt to discredit those of us that would ...  Ganja Ninja   Apr-27-11 05:23 AM   #56 
  - Sounds to me like they're getting out in front of the charge before we find out what they're doing.  CrossChris   Apr-27-11 09:14 AM   #62 
  - Of course it is. Pathetically obvious really.  NorthCarolina   Apr-28-11 01:43 PM   #164 
  - Me too. They do it by telling us that they're  socialist_n_TN   Apr-27-11 06:54 PM   #120 
  - Me too. n/t  myrna minx   Apr-28-11 02:12 PM   #167 
     - Me three. (nt)  Kurovski   May-01-11 02:50 AM   #202 
  - Tactic number 7:  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-26-11 10:33 PM   #16 
  - I Disagree - The Corporate "Mainstream Media" Ignores The Manipulation of Tea Baggers...  TomCADem   Apr-26-11 10:52 PM   #20 
     - I hear you on that point:  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-26-11 11:22 PM   #32 
  - "I'm a die-hard liberal, but..."  chollybocker   Apr-26-11 10:34 PM   #17 
  - Yep, this is how it is now....if you're dissatisfied with the way our "leaders" are doing things  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 10:53 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-26-11 10:55 PM   #22 
     - So why should those of us who are critical of the way this administration is doing things shut up  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 10:56 PM   #24 
        - Never said that. Read my OP.  TomCADem   Apr-26-11 11:10 PM   #27 
        - Who is "us?"  chollybocker   Apr-26-11 11:21 PM   #31 
        - I didn't say "I" because I am not the only one on this board who is liberal and critical of the  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 11:26 PM   #36 
        - I imagine the distinction is in content and format versus valid criticism...  LanternWaste   Apr-27-11 11:43 AM   #70 
           - The content of turfers is easy to spot. It's bullet point, and lacks nuance,  boppers   Apr-28-11 01:15 AM   #143 
              - You mean, without noting it was blocked by RW DEMOCRATS in  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-28-11 12:22 PM   #158 
  - No, that's not necessarily a clue. . .  markpkessinger   Apr-26-11 11:30 PM   #39 
     - Pay no attention to the Corporate Third Way! They're our friends now!  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 11:33 PM   #41 
     - Since you're name dropping...  JHB   Apr-27-11 11:53 AM   #71 
     - +1  crickets   Apr-27-11 04:41 AM   #50 
  - I would hazard to guess that the renewed "Trig isn't Palin's son" rumours on the left  applegrove   Apr-26-11 11:04 PM   #25 
  - Excellent post.  DevonRex   Apr-26-11 11:13 PM   #28 
  - Oh boy, let's have another excuse to ignore justified criticism from the left,  MadHound   Apr-26-11 11:17 PM   #30 
  - This is their favorite screed. Now they'll tell you that they're not saying what they're saying but  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 11:23 PM   #34 
  - When the criticism truly targets republicans and make a compelling  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 05:15 PM   #104 
  - While I don't put anything past the GOP. . .  markpkessinger   Apr-26-11 11:23 PM   #33 
  - Why, you must be a paid troll. It's simply IMPOSSIBLE that anyone on the left could have legitimate  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 11:25 PM   #35 
  - Post-election, 'democrats' switch to repub - 2010  Cerridwen   Apr-26-11 11:26 PM   #37 
  - Shhhhhhh.......that talk is not allowed. People trying to pull the party to the right clearly aren't  FLAprogressive   Apr-26-11 11:30 PM   #38 
     - Yeah, I know, huh?  Cerridwen   Apr-26-11 11:36 PM   #43 
     - Here's a tip ...If you're anti-war - - - you're a subversive now  Baclava   Apr-27-11 01:44 PM   #81 
  - LOL  woo me with science   Apr-27-11 12:08 AM   #48 
  - Well played. -nt  crickets   Apr-27-11 04:44 AM   #51 
  - While I do not think much of the criticism from the left is from paid trolls, I do think people with  BzaDem   Apr-27-11 12:18 AM   #49 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-27-11 04:59 AM   #52 
     - He doesn't. As far as I know, when he goes to the voting booth, he votes for Democrats  BzaDem   Apr-27-11 05:16 AM   #55 
        - His brand of enabling is the direct and with the force of law variety  TheKentuckian   Apr-27-11 06:36 AM   #59 
  - The left has no legitimate complaints about Obama.  mmonk   Apr-27-11 05:07 AM   #53 
  - LOL!  MadHound   Apr-27-11 09:41 AM   #66 
  - I thought it might lose impact with a sarcasm tag.  mmonk   Apr-27-11 12:41 PM   #76 
     - My bad,  MadHound   Apr-27-11 01:42 PM   #80 
  - Better turn myself in for re-education  unc70   Apr-29-11 03:33 AM   #182 
  - K&R  JTFrog   Apr-27-11 05:15 AM   #54 
  - Yuppers  SpiralHawk   Apr-27-11 05:56 AM   #58 
  - It's called "Ratfucking" and the Republicans have a long history of it.  KittyWampus   Apr-27-11 09:20 AM   #64 
  - Huge K&R.  Bobbie Jo   Apr-27-11 10:34 AM   #68 
  - Ratf-ing is nothing new, but neither is dismissing legitimate lefty arguments  JHB   Apr-27-11 12:07 PM   #73 
  - +! n/t  markpkessinger   Apr-27-11 10:08 PM   #129 
  - K&R...nt  SidDithers   Apr-27-11 12:14 PM   #74 
  - Yeah, everyone that criticizes people that act like Republicans no matter what letter they use are  JoeyT   Apr-27-11 02:57 PM   #86 
  - We've had #2 and #6 on DU since before the '04 election  Blue_Tires   Apr-27-11 02:58 PM   #87 
  - If it is dirty and underhanded,  Enthusiast   Apr-27-11 03:26 PM   #88 
  - They are here--I guarantee it  Kingofalldems   Apr-27-11 03:30 PM   #89 
  - Spitting image of several far Left on DU. Never an attack on a republican.  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 04:53 PM   #93 
  - In turn, I've seen plenty of centrists on DUand elsewhere...  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:11 PM   #102 
  - dupe  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:19 PM   #106 
  - I am a centrist democrat. I view any republican is the enemy.  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 05:24 PM   #110 
     - As far as the war goes, centrists opposed the left and agreed with the far right.  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:41 PM   #116 
     - What about Republican ideology? This whole debate seems to center around ideology vs. people.  CrossChris   Apr-28-11 01:03 PM   #161 
  - I see more of so-called moderates supporting right wing ideals  fascisthunter   Apr-28-11 10:18 AM   #149 
  - Yup. You can tell who they are by their screeching and not so transparent  Skidmore   Apr-27-11 05:07 PM   #99 
  - Centrists dont need right wingers pretending to be Liberals to move the party to the right.  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:22 PM   #108 
  - It is easy to make a contribution to DU maintenance. And while you are at it,  bluestate10   Apr-27-11 05:28 PM   #111 
     - I agree with that- act locally and put your money where your mouth is.  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:33 PM   #115 
  - Actions speak louder than words!  mountainlion55   Apr-27-11 05:24 PM   #109 
  - Yup- centrists are either for a Liberal agenda, or they are for a more conservative one.  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:30 PM   #112 
  - I hadn't visited Firedoglake in a while...  hwmnbn   Apr-27-11 05:31 PM   #113 
  - The firebaggers do give FR a run for their money.  AtomicKitten   Apr-28-11 10:20 AM   #150 
  - Elected centrists who openly agree witht he far right vs. Right wing trolls pretending to be lib?  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 05:49 PM   #117 
  - I dont get it. So the far right is using the far left to fool centrists into being more far left?  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 07:26 PM   #121 
  - Oh boy.. Hey Truthseekers, Mike Malloy enthusiasts! Did ya know We're Sock Puppets for the Right!  2banon   Apr-27-11 08:21 PM   #122 
  - Yes, RWers disguised as Liberals are fooling centrists into being even more conservative!  Dr Fate   Apr-27-11 10:16 PM   #130 
     - +1  readmoreoften   Apr-28-11 12:09 AM   #137 
  - I've said exactly that I might withhold my vot because Obama isn't liberal enough  caseymoz   Apr-27-11 09:34 PM   #125 
  - The Left had to do something or the RWing idiots would have taken  Rex   Apr-27-11 11:42 PM   #133 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-28-11 12:08 AM   #136 
  - Read the OP - Each Is Story Is About A Sock Puppet Getting Caught Redhanded  TomCADem   Apr-28-11 12:23 AM   #138 
     - Those may be true, but look into the DLC sometimes  Armstead   Apr-28-11 12:57 AM   #141 
     - The Rand Paul staffer story always seemed like a fake to me.  CrossChris   Apr-28-11 09:48 AM   #146 
  - Unfortunately it's too late for me to rec this but it deserves a big kick.  drm604   Apr-28-11 10:13 AM   #147 
  - Yes, and I'm sure many DLCers and conservo dems want us to be suspicious of the left  fascisthunter   Apr-28-11 10:15 AM   #148 
  - Another broad brush attack against the left  Avant Guardian   Apr-28-11 11:12 AM   #154 
  - It's a purge against the left!  Cascadian   May-01-11 02:16 AM   #197 
  - LOL! Ever read DU? Most of the time they're not even sock puppets here  Gman   Apr-28-11 04:06 PM   #171 
  - Most of the sleazy rethuglikan tricks you mention don't seem to be masquerading as "leftist"  That Guy 888   Apr-28-11 04:55 PM   #173 
  - This might well explain some of the anti Obama people here  cstanleytech   Apr-28-11 08:55 PM   #175 
  - oh.. this was a highly intelligent analysis.really well thought out..  2banon   Apr-28-11 09:15 PM   #176 
     - Gee, i must have hit a sore spot there.  cstanleytech   Apr-28-11 10:07 PM   #177 
        - Spot of deep Frustration would be more accurate  2banon   Apr-28-11 10:46 PM   #178 
           - Apology accepted and I extend mine as well to you  cstanleytech   Apr-28-11 11:09 PM   #179 
              - considering everything that confronts us  2banon   Apr-28-11 11:45 PM   #180 
  - Who cares?  themadstork   Apr-29-11 04:42 PM   #186 
  - So, the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy is really the Vast Right Wing Conspiracey?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-30-11 02:05 PM   #188 
  - It all seems laughable but it's not!  Cascadian   May-01-11 02:18 AM   #198 
  - too late to unrec, what reactionary trash  inna   Apr-30-11 02:10 PM   #189 
  - It's alright. I recced that masterpiece op full of verifiable facts long ago!  FrenchieCat   May-01-11 01:03 AM   #192 
  - yep, decidedly hilarious.  inna   May-01-11 01:25 AM   #195 
  - It's sort of hilarious. n/t  EFerrari   May-01-11 01:08 AM   #194 
  - Yeah. You're right! I am an operative!  Cascadian   May-01-11 02:11 AM   #196 
 

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