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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:52 PM
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46. Nope. FDR did not advocate for banning public unions. He was against public unions striking...
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 09:54 PM by Luminous Animal
more from the same letter...

"The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government."
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  -Would you have voted for FDR after he said that public-sector unions should be banned? LoZoccolo  Apr-25-11 09:23 PM   #0 
  - Wait besides republicans  Drale   Apr-25-11 09:25 PM   #1 
  - Franklin Delano-fucken-Roosevelt, mah-man.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:27 PM   #2 
     - Really? I never heard that before.  Drale   Apr-25-11 09:28 PM   #3 
     - Link? Source?  Electric Monk   Apr-25-11 09:31 PM   #11 
        - So, they could form a union but should not bargain or strike.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:36 PM   #16 
           - Which is not what you claimed in your OP. Retract or Delete.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:43 PM   #26 
              - I got it so wrong.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:44 PM   #27 
                 - Still time to edit?  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:45 PM   #29 
                    - I am trying to feel the shame.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:46 PM   #34 
                       - Not hard enough. Is the edit window closed?  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:47 PM   #35 
                          - Saving face will never be the point. The point is the propaganda. FDR's stance  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 09:59 PM   #54 
                             - Maybe I should ask people if the unions should be banned from striking.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 10:03 PM   #58 
                             - No indication from the letter that FDR sought an official ban, either.  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:09 PM   #63 
                                - Obama could say the same thing and people would be cool with it  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 10:11 PM   #67 
                                   - There were plenty of union organizers who were not cool with FDR's stance then.  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:13 PM   #70 
                                   - I should hope we are moving foward and not holding to the 1940s as our standard.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:15 PM   #73 
                             - The mistake was on porpoise! n/t  Mimosa   Apr-25-11 10:17 PM   #78 
                                - Of course it was. He is disrupting poorly.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:22 PM   #83 
                                   - Maybe this thread will be the straw that finally breaks the camels back.  Electric Monk   Apr-25-11 10:25 PM   #85 
                                      - Jeezus we can hope. It's been a long fucking time coming.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:26 PM   #86 
  - He never said that. He supported bargaining, but was against striking  leftstreet   Apr-25-11 09:28 PM   #4 
  - Nope.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:28 PM   #8 
  - Yep  leftstreet   Apr-25-11 09:30 PM   #10 
     - Back to you but more of it infinity.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:32 PM   #12 
     - Oy. nt  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 09:40 PM   #23 
     - Look at #11.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:34 PM   #15 
        - But...that proves what I said  leftstreet   Apr-25-11 09:36 PM   #17 
  - Bargaining without the option of a strike  TheBigotBasher   Apr-25-11 09:46 PM   #33 
  - Agree. But FDR was (technically) speaking to the issue of "public good"  leftstreet   Apr-25-11 09:51 PM   #44 
  - Actually, many public employees bargain just fine without the threat of strike...  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 09:56 PM   #51 
  - You are right, leftstreet. Here is more from the letter...  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 09:51 PM   #45 
  - Probably, but that depends on who was running against  socialist_n_TN   Apr-25-11 09:28 PM   #5 
  - Gee, I dunno. What else did he do and/or say?  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 09:28 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-11 09:28 PM   #7 
  - Not even FDR is as good as FDR.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:29 PM   #9 
  - I don't vote for institutional racists, but I think I am in the minority on DU for that stance.  ZombieHorde   Apr-25-11 09:32 PM   #13 
  - Oh don't be so dramatic.  NYC Liberal   Apr-25-11 09:37 PM   #19 
  - Totally agree. One of the most shameful times in US history.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:37 PM   #20 
  - Well now ain't  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Apr-25-11 10:31 PM   #89 
     - Do you feel the same about slavery?  ZombieHorde   Apr-25-11 10:41 PM   #91 
        - You don't think it's a bit of a leap  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Apr-25-11 11:23 PM   #96 
           - "How will we be viewed?" I view us extremely poorly.  ZombieHorde   Apr-25-11 11:30 PM   #97 
  - Geez, of course. If I'm gonna vote for Obama I'd sure as heck vote for a liberal  Zorra   Apr-25-11 09:33 PM   #14 
  - Did he say they should be banned?  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:36 PM   #18 
  - No, he did not.  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 09:49 PM   #41 
     - Didn't thnk so. Wonder what this OP was going for.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:54 PM   #48 
        - Similar to what every right wing pundit & discussion board is going for... undermine the left.  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:05 PM   #62 
           - That's why I explicitly said that I was for FDR.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 10:16 PM   #75 
              - Given that he did not support banning public unions, I'm not sure you know the meaining of support.  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:21 PM   #82 
  - To be perfectly honest I would have voted for Norman Thomas.  Puregonzo1188   Apr-25-11 09:38 PM   #21 
  - Norman Thomas would have been a great president.  white_wolf   Apr-25-11 09:41 PM   #25 
  - And don't forget Debs!  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:49 PM   #40 
  - Got a source for that? This is DU. Lots of critical thinkers here.  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 09:39 PM   #22 
  - I have a hostile witness in reply #11.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:40 PM   #24 
  - You're moving the goalposts. Reply #11 did not validate your OP. nt  Electric Monk   Apr-25-11 09:44 PM   #28 
  - As long as he gets his FLAME BAIT on!  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:46 PM   #31 
     - He's gotta get that Minimum Daily Requirement in, you know. nt  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 09:47 PM   #36 
        - A strange obsession or compulsion. Not sure which it is.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:48 PM   #37 
  - A Yahoo question board? Please pay attention, this is 2011 and you are holding the class back. nt  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 09:46 PM   #32 
     - I also keep posting that Democrats have accomplished nothing over and over.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:48 PM   #38 
        - Document or retract.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:51 PM   #43 
           - And I act creepy and stalk certain peoples' threads repeatedly.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:53 PM   #47 
              - You shouldn't admit to that.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:55 PM   #49 
                 - I just want to warn people of dangerous trolls.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 09:58 PM   #53 
                    - You are warning on yourself? Nice!  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:00 PM   #56 
                    - You would know.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:02 PM   #57 
                       - We need heroes to point this out, even if it sounds smug and obsessive.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 10:04 PM   #60 
                          - I will step up. LoZoccolo, you are a troll on DU. You are a disruptor  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:27 PM   #87 
                             - What if he's not a troll? What if he's know, disadvantaged?  leftstreet   Apr-25-11 10:42 PM   #92 
                                - I never considered that. And now I feel awful!  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:44 PM   #94 
  - Nope. FDR did not advocate for banning public unions. He was against public unions striking...  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 09:52 PM   #46 
  - absolutely, but only in 1932....  unkachuck   Apr-25-11 09:45 PM   #30 
  - :'(  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 10:00 PM   #55 
  - Funny how all over the internet, right wingers forget this part (and it appears that you've  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 09:49 PM   #39 
  - "Organizations of Government employees have a logical place in Government affairs."  Cerridwen   Apr-25-11 09:50 PM   #42 
  - He congratulated the NFE on THEIR OWN decision to preclude striking. HUGE difference.  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 09:55 PM   #50 
  - Link?  tekisui   Apr-25-11 09:56 PM   #52 
  - Cerridwen posted the link to the letter above... I'll add it here.  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:03 PM   #59 
     - I have to a public employee I was barred from striking by the Taylor Law.  Historic NY   Apr-25-11 10:12 PM   #69 
  - Ah, is the DLC demonizing FDR today?  Bluebear   Apr-25-11 10:04 PM   #61 
  - Every time a pundit says Obama coulda been like FDR, FDR loses a wing  leftstreet   Apr-25-11 10:09 PM   #64 
  - I personally can't buy into that he is DLC.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:10 PM   #65 
  - I think you may be right. strangely silent since he's been challenged. nt  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 10:16 PM   # 
  - I've seen several of this same subject from the same poster.  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:10 PM   #66 
  - Put up or shut up--too many in this thread have done the classwork for you (and proven you WRONG).  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 10:11 PM   #68 
  - Disruptors don't work like that.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:14 PM   #71 
  - I feel so misguided about this.  LoZoccolo   Apr-25-11 10:15 PM   #72 
  - You claimed it--own it or STFU. nt  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 10:17 PM   #76 
  - You love the attention.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:17 PM   #77 
  - Oh, I've little doubt he knows the entire story but it's the misleading snip  Luminous Animal   Apr-25-11 10:16 PM   #74 
  - He wanted flames, he got them. That is really the long and short of it.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:18 PM   #79 
  - "B, b, b, b, buuuut I've been miiiisguiiiided... (visualize welling eyes and quvering lip). nt  blondeatlast   Apr-25-11 10:43 PM   #93 
  - Prolly too busy hanging with nutty right wingers nt  abelenkpe   Apr-25-11 10:22 PM   #84 
  - He never said any such thing.  Bluenorthwest   Apr-25-11 10:19 PM   #80 
  - .  Guy Whitey Corngood   Apr-25-11 10:21 PM   #81 
  - This is a right-wing talking point  Hugabear   Apr-25-11 10:31 PM   #88 
  - Even after he was told, the OP chose not to edit or acknowledge.  tekisui   Apr-25-11 10:36 PM   #90 
  - Great time travel hypothesis.  Mimosa   Apr-25-11 11:09 PM   #95 
  - Propaganda thread  themadstork   Apr-25-11 11:45 PM   #98 
  - locking  TrogL   Apr-26-11 12:35 AM   #99 

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