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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:59 AM
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45. I'm not sure he can be pushed. I haven't seen evidence.
Some of his proposals need to be opposed. Much of the New Democrat Coalition proposals need to be opposed. And without saying, all current Republican proposals need to be opposed. You are right though that the time is now.
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  -The Campaign Has Started, Now is the Time For the Most Vocal Critique From the Left tekisui  Apr-23-11 11:52 PM   #0 
  - Now is when they will lie the most vehemently  Hawkowl   Apr-23-11 11:57 PM   #1 
  - More vocal than the last 2 years?  jaxx   Apr-24-11 12:00 AM   #2 
  - Are you saying we shouldn't be critical of this administration?  white_wolf   Apr-24-11 12:03 AM   #3 
  - Criticism loses it's impact when it has become a constant beat.  jaxx   Apr-24-11 12:07 AM   #4 
  - GMTA !!! :) n/t  Tx4obama   Apr-24-11 12:11 AM   #8 
  - I'm Going To Constantly Criticize  Kalun D   Apr-24-11 02:33 AM   #32 
  - We've been given so much to criticize.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 08:51 AM   #40 
  - It only becomes a constant beat when it's being actively IGNORED.  Donnachaidh   Apr-24-11 09:29 AM   #48 
  - It's the disagreement  ReggieVeggie   Apr-24-11 12:19 PM   #65 
  - Utter nonsense. The only constant beat has been the right-wing politics.  JackRiddler   Apr-24-11 02:02 PM   #73 
  - I find it disgusting the Barack Obama brigade has nothing better to do than tell people to shut up  AlabamaLibrul   Apr-24-11 10:37 PM   #85 
  - The problem is that there has been constant bitching about Obama & the Obama administration  Tx4obama   Apr-24-11 12:09 AM   #6 
  - perhaps parallel to the constant backpedaling and concessions since the inauguration?  villager   Apr-24-11 12:11 AM   #7 
  - Oh come on ... folks bitch even when Obama does good things.  Tx4obama   Apr-24-11 12:12 AM   #10 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-11 12:18 AM   #13 
        - Why get personal about it?  jaxx   Apr-24-11 12:25 AM   #17 
           - You mean like using the word "bitching" when someone disagrees?  villager   Apr-24-11 03:38 PM   #77 
  - So much for all the centrists' arguments that we should "make him do it"  readmoreoften   Apr-24-11 12:17 AM   #12 
  - I am so damn sick of these moderates and pragmatic centrists.  white_wolf   Apr-24-11 12:27 AM   #20 
  - It would appear that they know something about effectiveness that the left does not.  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 12:29 AM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-11 12:36 AM   #23 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-24-11 12:46 AM   #24 
  - yeah all that wonderful  libmom74   Apr-24-11 01:18 AM   #25 
  - Document or retract.  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 02:08 AM   #27 
     - Are you serious? We lost the House in 2010. Almost lost the Senate.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 09:37 AM   #51 
        - No, not that.  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 10:36 AM   #54 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-24-11 12:31 PM   #66 
  - Yeah  Kalun D   Apr-24-11 02:40 AM   #34 
  - The congressional Democrats have a significant voting record in opposition to Republicans.  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 02:52 AM   #36 
     - Yeah  Kalun D   Apr-24-11 04:10 AM   #38 
  - Effectiveness??!!?!?!  tekisui   Apr-24-11 08:53 AM   #42 
  - Like trying to fill a bowl with the last drippings of a can of Campbell's Tomato Soup nt  AlabamaLibrul   Apr-24-11 10:40 PM   #86 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-24-11 09:39 AM   #52 
  - Effective at what, facilitating and abetting the corporate takeover of the country  TheKentuckian   Apr-24-11 12:00 PM   #61 
     - It kind-of doesn't matter when you're discussing the raw strategy.  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 12:44 PM   #68 
        - I know how they do it. How is pretty easy. Unfortunately their means are in opposition to my ends.  TheKentuckian   Apr-24-11 12:57 PM   #70 
        - YEt, when I say the Dems need to play tough like the repukes do I am scoffed.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 11:11 PM   #87 
  - I'm a liberal small town girl  xmas74   Apr-24-11 07:02 PM   #81 
  - +1  sendero   Apr-24-11 09:35 AM   #50 
  - +1  JVS   Apr-24-11 01:33 PM   #72 
  - Maybe We Are Constantly Bitching  Kalun D   Apr-24-11 02:37 AM   #33 
  - So, let's see if I understand you correctly  Tx4obama   Apr-24-11 02:49 AM   #35 
     - Watch the Film (are you afraid?)  Kalun D   Apr-24-11 04:02 AM   #37 
        - Stop the deafening roar of the crickets!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Apr-24-11 09:55 AM   #53 
        - Nailed it. Good post. Thanks. nt  PufPuf23   Apr-24-11 11:49 AM   #60 
        - Exactly! I had this argument with  libmom74   Apr-24-11 01:07 PM   #71 
  - If he hadn't started off by making terrible appointments,  LWolf   Apr-24-11 02:06 PM   #74 
  - "aren't doing a damn thing"  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 12:26 AM   #19 
  - Problem is votes are taken for granted, people underestimate their power...  slipslidingaway   Apr-24-11 12:33 AM   #22 
     - "no doubt there might be some short term suffering"  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 02:14 AM   #28 
     - We got two choices at this time,  Autumn   Apr-24-11 10:47 AM   #55 
        - And yet you are responsible for nominating one of the two choices.  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 11:08 AM   #57 
        - Maybe you are right. We were sold a carefully crafted  Autumn   Apr-24-11 11:22 AM   #58 
        - Yes, not very good choices ...  slipslidingaway   Apr-24-11 10:35 PM   #84 
  - That is exactly what she is saying.  Bluebear   Apr-24-11 01:25 AM   #26 
  - That time is long overdue.  Cascadian   Apr-24-11 12:15 PM   #63 
  - Get His Back?  Kalun D   Apr-24-11 02:20 AM   #30 
  - Perhaps we should be more vocal.  Cascadian   Apr-24-11 12:34 PM   #67 
  - Yes, when warranted.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 08:51 AM   #39 
  - It would appear that the campaign is center right  Rosa Luxemburg   Apr-24-11 12:08 AM   #5 
  - No, it's center left.  jaxx   Apr-24-11 12:12 AM   #9 
     - I'm not so sure about that  Rosa Luxemburg   Apr-24-11 12:20 AM   #14 
     - You can count on it.  jaxx   Apr-24-11 12:26 AM   #18 
     - It is center center.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 08:54 AM   #43 
     - Anyone who can talk about "shared sacrifice" when our whole economy  EFerrari   Apr-24-11 09:05 AM   #46 
     - You hit that out of the park n/t  Autumn   Apr-24-11 10:49 AM   #56 
     - Wish this could be rec'd. nt  xmas74   Apr-24-11 07:06 PM   #82 
     - It's more Center tilted to the right. (n/t)  Cascadian   Apr-24-11 12:51 PM   #69 
  - Unfortunately I do not see that happening now, the time to push back from ...  slipslidingaway   Apr-24-11 12:16 AM   #11 
  - "Also, criticism from the left strengthens the party and helps to distinguish us from the repukes."  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 12:23 AM   #15 
  - I'm talking about honest criticism of bad policies.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 09:18 AM   #47 
  - Also, criticism is less likely to be responded to favorably if it becomes apparent  LoZoccolo   Apr-24-11 12:24 AM   #16 
  - +1  JoePhilly   Apr-24-11 08:53 AM   #41 
  - Meh. If we ever had a favorable response, you may have a point.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 08:55 AM   #44 
  - play evocative music  Mulhane   Apr-24-11 02:19 AM   #29 
  - Hate To Say This  Kalun D   Apr-24-11 02:28 AM   #31 
  - I'm not sure he can be pushed. I haven't seen evidence.  mmonk   Apr-24-11 08:59 AM   #45 
  - sure they listen, then promise the moon, and promptly tells them after the election  Donnachaidh   Apr-24-11 09:34 AM   #49 
  - OK. If nothing else, it's kind of fun to piss off conservatives. nt  Zorra   Apr-24-11 11:41 AM   #59 
  - Thank you! Couldn't have said it better myself!  Cascadian   Apr-24-11 12:14 PM   #62 
  - What we need is a left version of the Tea Party.  Cascadian   Apr-24-11 12:17 PM   #64 
  - The problem is that the teaparty was a manufactured, paid for Koch industry  glowing   Apr-24-11 02:12 PM   #76 
  - We need (as a country) a more vocal critique of the presidency from the the Dems in congress.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-24-11 02:10 PM   #75 
  - The trouble with that is that some so-called Democrats don't want criticism of the Pres.  Cascadian   Apr-24-11 09:27 PM   #83 
  - The campaign started on Jan 21, 2009 for the republicans  SoCalDem   Apr-24-11 05:34 PM   #78 
  - no center  mountainlion55   Apr-24-11 06:38 PM   #79 
  - Yeah, I remember summer of '68........  socialist_n_TN   Apr-24-11 06:51 PM   #80 
  - Well the horse is out of the barn on this one...  Safetykitten   Apr-24-11 11:35 PM   #88 
  - Campaign season is when critiques from the left sever no other purpose  VeryConfused   Apr-25-11 09:42 AM   #89 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-25-11 10:46 AM   #90 

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