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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 01:03 PM
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75. Or, far more recently, eating buffalo. Agreed once again, Cleita.
How we get back there is a real problem.
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  -My radical approach to fix the economy and country. white_wolf  Apr-22-11 10:04 PM   #0 
  - Defense industry, nationalize it too!  izquierdista   Apr-22-11 10:07 PM   #1 
  - Fixed.  white_wolf   Apr-22-11 10:09 PM   #2 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-22-11 10:19 PM   #3 
  - Every social democracy...  Davis_X_Machina   Apr-22-11 10:19 PM   #4 
  - Heh. Yeah, I can still remember when I  Common Sense Party   Apr-22-11 10:19 PM   #5 
  - Defeatism is never helpful.  white_wolf   Apr-22-11 11:39 PM   #12 
  - The military used to be a government run and funded effort for our defense. It should be....  northoftheborder   Apr-22-11 10:25 PM   #6 
  - A Couple of Things re Getting There from Here  AndyTiedye   Apr-22-11 10:33 PM   #7 
  - Thanks for the feedback.  white_wolf   Apr-22-11 11:02 PM   #9 
  - Shut down Wall Street and shut down the credit industry. All corporate  lutherj   Apr-22-11 10:36 PM   #8 
  - I vote for transformation. Much less painful than collapse.  white_wolf   Apr-22-11 11:23 PM   #11 
     - Agreed. (Like your sig line, by the way.) nt  lutherj   Apr-22-11 11:43 PM   #13 
  - I wished it were so but alas I can only dream/  RegieRocker   Apr-22-11 11:05 PM   #10 
  - A simple question: What process would lead to this?  MineralMan   Apr-23-11 09:03 AM   #14 
  - The only thing I would add  socialist_n_TN   Apr-23-11 10:05 AM   #15 
  - That is not a plan...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 10:08 AM   #16 
     - not to mention tyrannical goals.  cali   Apr-23-11 10:18 AM   #18 
     - Like the capitalist system is not tyrannical  socialist_n_TN   Apr-23-11 10:22 AM   #19 
     - Of course it is. but I'd rather not replace one tyranny with another  cali   Apr-23-11 10:29 AM   #20 
        - Well in order to fix it..........  socialist_n_TN   Apr-23-11 11:15 AM   #26 
        - Glad to answer that. Publicly funded elections  cali   Apr-23-11 11:23 AM   #27 
        - I said I was a heretical Marxist......  socialist_n_TN   Apr-23-11 11:29 AM   #29 
           - ugh. nope. not with you. I want all boots off all throats  cali   Apr-23-11 11:43 AM   #32 
           - If the workers can run the company democratically  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 11:47 AM   #33 
           - Of course it would to someone with no...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 11:50 AM   #35 
           - not too many sterling examples of such.  cali   Apr-23-11 12:01 PM   #37 
              - Human nature?  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 12:04 PM   #40 
                 - codswallop. it's not nature v nurture. it's nature and nurture.  cali   Apr-23-11 12:14 PM   #44 
           - Some DLC DCCC "Democrat" values are showing!  upi402   Apr-23-11 12:53 PM   #62 
              - lol. what crapola  cali   Apr-23-11 01:02 PM   #73 
           - Good luck with that...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 11:47 AM   #34 
        - You are wrong. Capitalism will be fixed when there are more capitalists  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 01:35 PM   #91 
        - Have you ever sat among people of equal power and tried to decide where to go for dinner?  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 01:40 PM   #93 
        - How is it tyrannical?  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 11:30 AM   #30 
           - actually, there is no European country with the type of nationalization  cali   Apr-23-11 11:57 AM   #36 
           - I don't really have too much of a problem with small businesses, but what about these examples  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 12:02 PM   #39 
              - so once a business reaches a certain size, it should be seized  cali   Apr-23-11 12:11 PM   #43 
              - Wrong again.  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 01:50 PM   #97 
           - Much of our former party has bought the line  upi402   Apr-23-11 12:55 PM   #63 
           - I just actually think and come to my own conclusions rooted  cali   Apr-23-11 01:15 PM   #81 
              - I am stunned how the people that correctly rail red faced that trickle down  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 01:55 PM   #98 
              - a Little balance restored, that's all  upi402   Apr-23-11 02:00 PM   #100 
              - fail  upi402   Apr-23-11 04:00 PM   #117 
           - You are dead wrong. Many european countries have social democracies.  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 01:42 PM   #94 
     - Yes, we can't have any of that socialist tyranny,  Cleita   Apr-23-11 12:45 PM   #55 
        - good grief what claptrap. you're actually claiming we're genetically wired  cali   Apr-23-11 02:20 PM   #104 
           - Trotskyism is a type of communism which is a type of socialism.  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 02:40 PM   #108 
           - Apparently, you don't read any papers in  Cleita   Apr-23-11 03:09 PM   #114 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 11:27 AM   #28 
  - the post of a very young person  cali   Apr-23-11 10:16 AM   #17 
  - Geez, HOW condescending..........  socialist_n_TN   Apr-23-11 10:33 AM   #21 
  - The last part of your post is...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 10:38 AM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 10:50 AM   #24 
     - Ideas like the OP have long been put out there......  socialist_n_TN   Apr-23-11 11:01 AM   #25 
  - nt.  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 01:57 PM   #99 
  - Good start. I would add the following: fully-paid maternity\paternity leave for  coalition_unwilling   Apr-23-11 10:42 AM   #23 
  - Good idea.  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 11:38 AM   #31 
     - Conservatives are reprehensible and hypocritical on all  coalition_unwilling   Apr-23-11 12:02 PM   #38 
        - You think the stealth bombers are bad?  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 12:07 PM   #41 
           - Please document that n/t  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 12:09 PM   #42 
              - Here is a link showing they have never been used:  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 12:20 PM   #46 
                 - You're leaving a little bit out there...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 12:27 PM   #50 
  - Your ideas are much like mine and should be  Cleita   Apr-23-11 12:19 PM   #45 
  - It would be a long process, sure, but it could be done.  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 12:24 PM   #47 
  - Unfortunately, your basic reforms will be a Herculean  Cleita   Apr-23-11 12:27 PM   #49 
  - We already have proportional representation in...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 12:31 PM   #51 
  - Nice job on having no clue what proportional representation is.  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 12:39 PM   #52 
  - I do have a clue...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 12:42 PM   #54 
     - No, your ignorance is no one's fault but your own.  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 12:49 PM   #58 
        - You've got to be kidding....  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 12:53 PM   #61 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 12:57 PM   #66 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 01:07 PM   #76 
  - Apparently the design is flawed. We  Cleita   Apr-23-11 12:47 PM   #57 
     - The House has 435 members...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 12:55 PM   #65 
     - You love those straw men to make the conversation  Cleita   Apr-23-11 12:58 PM   #67 
        - Show me the strawman...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 01:02 PM   #72 
           - It's possible because people will be picked by  Cleita   Apr-23-11 01:09 PM   #77 
              - People will be picked by lottery to serve in the House?  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 01:15 PM   #82 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 01:18 PM   #84 
                 - You don't know what it is or you wouldn't use it or  Cleita   Apr-23-11 01:26 PM   #87 
                    - Then point to any strawman argument...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 01:29 PM   #88 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 01:30 PM   #89 
     - that's just bizarre  cali   Apr-23-11 12:58 PM   #68 
        - So I guess it's preferable to have a House of  Cleita   Apr-23-11 01:25 PM   #86 
           - uh, no. did I say that? No, of course not. thanks for your lovely example of  cali   Apr-23-11 02:23 PM   #105 
              - Because hundreds of millions would not serve anymore  Cleita   Apr-23-11 03:08 PM   #113 
  - want to bet on that?  cali   Apr-23-11 12:46 PM   #56 
     - Well, I guess if we can't dream, we can't get it done.  Cleita   Apr-23-11 12:50 PM   #59 
        - not so. the founding fathers were, by and large, exceedingly hard headed  cali   Apr-23-11 12:55 PM   #64 
           - They had a plan for an outcome and they may not  Cleita   Apr-23-11 01:01 PM   #70 
              - no they didn't. they had a plan for white men of property.  cali   Apr-23-11 01:03 PM   #74 
                 - Yes, they did but some of their writings indicated  Cleita   Apr-23-11 01:16 PM   #83 
                    - please link to those writings.  cali   Apr-23-11 01:35 PM   #90 
                       - I really don't have time to do that. You have Google.  Cleita   Apr-23-11 01:44 PM   #95 
                          - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-23-11 01:46 PM   #96 
                          - sorry, no. there's very little written by those men that  cali   Apr-23-11 02:12 PM   #102 
                             - The writings of Thomas Paine are very radical  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 02:14 PM   #103 
                                - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 02:24 PM   #106 
                                   - Wow. So Thomas Paine isn't considered a founding father now?  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 02:33 PM   #107 
                                      - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-11 02:41 PM   #109 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 02:47 PM   #110 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 02:56 PM   #112 
  - And the best way to do that is start on a community level and build up. nt  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 02:00 PM   #101 
  - Once again, you'd have my vote!  Dappleganger   Apr-23-11 12:26 PM   #48 
  - Some great ideas.  Zorra   Apr-23-11 12:40 PM   #53 
  - These ideas have been around since we sat around  Cleita   Apr-23-11 12:53 PM   #60 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-23-11 12:59 PM   #69 
  - Or, far more recently, eating buffalo. Agreed once again, Cleita.  Zorra   Apr-23-11 01:03 PM   #75 
  - We would have to be very careful of men like the ones you mentioned.  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 01:02 PM   #71 
  - Yep. That's what I'm talkin' about. And Chavez,  Zorra   Apr-23-11 01:11 PM   #78 
     - Well, if the Right is going to call him a socialist or communist  white_wolf   Apr-23-11 01:14 PM   #79 
  - I lived in South America and what Chavez is doing is  Cleita   Apr-23-11 01:23 PM   #85 
     - It appears that he has considerably improved  Zorra   Apr-23-11 03:30 PM   #115 
        - He is and many of these countries are mainly  Cleita   Apr-23-11 03:38 PM   #116 
  - As usual.  bluestate10   Apr-23-11 01:14 PM   #80 
  - Here's my fix - BAN POLITICAL ADVERTING ON FCC-LICENSED STATIONS AND CABLE Co's.  FormerDittoHead   Apr-23-11 01:39 PM   #92 
  - I notice you said the top tax bracket would be 90% of "profits".  former9thward   Apr-23-11 02:53 PM   #111 
 

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