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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:23 AM
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47. The other thing I wanted to mention to you is Chivers, the author of the OP material
is one of the worst offenders when it comes to ginning up this war.

He's the one that wrote up the cluster bomb story but missed, for some reason, that the rebels are using mines.

Libya conflict: Rebels accused of reneging on mines vow
19 April 2011 Last updated at 17:32 ET

By Stuart Hughes BBC News

Human rights campaigners have accused rebels in Libya of failing to honour a pledge not to use land-mines in their fight against Muammar Gaddafi.

The BBC filmed rebels planting anti-vehicle mines near the key town of Ajdabiya at the weekend.

Human Rights Watch researchers said mines had been laid despite rebel assurances they would not be used.

The organisation has already gathered evidence of use of mines and cluster munitions by Col Gaddafi's forces.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13138102

He's bucking to be the John Burns of Libya reporting.
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  -Almost Dawn in Libya: Chris & Tim, Heading Home tabatha  Apr-20-11 10:23 PM   #0 
  - Yes, and if we hadn't intervened, they'd probably still be alive.  PurityOfEssence   Apr-20-11 10:31 PM   #1 
  - I don't understand that logic.  tabatha   Apr-20-11 10:36 PM   #2 
  - I too mourn the deaths of two brave and talented journalists but understand the logic.  PufPuf23   Apr-21-11 12:20 AM   #12 
     - There will be no boots on the ground.  tabatha   Apr-21-11 01:02 AM   #16 
        - There have already been boots on the ground and NATO is considering more boots now.  PufPuf23   Apr-21-11 01:55 AM   #18 
        - I know very well that there are agents in the country.  tabatha   Apr-21-11 02:47 AM   #23 
           - Please excuse for saying your perception was naive.  PufPuf23   Apr-21-11 04:12 AM   #29 
           - A few responses  tabatha   Apr-21-11 05:53 AM   #57 
           - Kristof's whole column is based on the premise  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 04:54 AM   #35 
              - You'll note that no one disputes that Gaddafi was riding on Benghazi.  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 04:59 AM   #36 
        - source, please?  inna   Apr-21-11 02:42 AM   #21 
        - Links  tabatha   Apr-21-11 02:54 AM   #25 
           - I see. The "rebels" say so; that's an authoritative source per you. whatever.  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-11 04:30 AM   #32 
           - As far as the yahoo story goes, it's entirely possible that the handful  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 05:06 AM   #38 
              - i was talking about the source for "10,000 killed by khaddafi" = tnc  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-11 05:07 AM   #39 
                 - Btw, I went to the TNC site about a week ago  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 05:11 AM   #42 
                    - degrees in privatization. i knew ed deform was making inroads into universities, but damn.  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-11 05:13 AM   #43 
                       - The other thing I wanted to mention to you is Chivers, the author of the OP material  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 05:23 AM   #47 
                          - Yeah, and a day later when called on it the TNC pledged to remove them:  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:32 AM   #51 
           - Your second and third links are ridiculous.  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 05:05 AM   #37 
              - Are you serious? You sound like those people saying "it's not that bad in Bosnia..."  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:22 AM   #46 
                 - funny how you have to bring in stalin.  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-11 05:25 AM   #49 
                    - I think the mercenary claims are muddled.  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:43 AM   #54 
        - Libya: coalition air strike 'kills seven civilians'  Bosonic   Apr-21-11 06:47 AM   #59 
  - And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon  Canuckistanian   Apr-20-11 10:48 PM   #3 
  - That kind of summed up the logic well.  tabatha   Apr-20-11 10:57 PM   #4 
  - The premise is that the revolt would have been put down by now  PurityOfEssence   Apr-20-11 11:36 PM   #7 
     - What has intervention done for Misrata where this photographer took his pictures?  joshcryer   Apr-20-11 11:39 PM   #8 
     - It's hard compete with the lucid soothsaying of the pro-war psychics  PurityOfEssence   Apr-21-11 12:16 AM   #11 
        - You're the one inventing 'facts' like "the revolt would have been put down by now"  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 12:27 AM   #13 
           - Where, except in your morally self-exempted head, do you get that QUOTE?  PurityOfEssence   Apr-21-11 12:41 AM   #14 
              - I put 'facts' in quotes for that reason.  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 12:56 AM   #15 
                 - No, you're trying to make it look like I specifically said that.  PurityOfEssence   Apr-21-11 02:40 AM   #20 
                    - Loyalists don't have serious firepower?  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 02:47 AM   #22 
     - If not that war, they would have been in another.  tabatha   Apr-21-11 12:10 AM   #10 
  - They were a news crew - they would have been there regardless. nt  jwirr   Apr-20-11 11:02 PM   #5 
  - Correct, they would've tried to get in there.  joshcryer   Apr-20-11 11:40 PM   #9 
  - That's a lot of gobbledygook  pinboy3niner   Apr-21-11 01:19 AM   #17 
     - It's not at all clear that what is happening in Libya is a revolution.  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 02:19 AM   #19 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-21-11 02:48 AM   #24 
        - Thank you EF. "No my antiwar friends do not support it".  PufPuf23   Apr-21-11 04:17 AM   #30 
  - K&R  pinboy3niner   Apr-20-11 11:04 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-21-11 02:56 AM   #26 
     - Incubators?  tabatha   Apr-21-11 03:19 AM   #27 
     - maybe *you* should.  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-11 04:31 AM   #33 
     - Journalists were kidnapped, tortured, raped and killed in Honduras  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 04:33 AM   #34 
        - I know nothing about Honduras.  tabatha   Apr-21-11 05:24 AM   #48 
        - Report from Reporters without Borders.  EFerrari   Apr-21-11 05:40 AM   #53 
           - Well, that is crap.  tabatha   Apr-21-11 06:19 AM   #58 
        - Chavez is supporting their recognition, too.  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:45 AM   #56 
     - Sick and fucking tired of pro-Gaddafi propaganda.  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 03:22 AM   #28 
        - I don't defend Qadaffi at all. I want him gone too.  PufPuf23   Apr-21-11 04:25 AM   #31 
           - Long story short...  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:08 AM   #40 
              - bullshit josh.  Hannah Bell   Apr-21-11 05:11 AM   #41 
              - Substantiate please. One liners do you no good.  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:15 AM   #44 
              - What does the Ivory Coast have to do with the specifics of Libya?  PufPuf23   Apr-21-11 05:19 AM   #45 
                 - They're similar. UN intervenes in the Ivory Coast = silence. UN intervenes in Libya = outrage.  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:28 AM   #50 
                    - But they are not similar.  PufPuf23   Apr-21-11 05:38 AM   #52 
                       - Have Bahraini's, Yemeni's, and Syrian's all had to take up arms to fight?  joshcryer   Apr-21-11 05:44 AM   #55 
 

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