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Mon Apr-25-11 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #175 |
| 176. She wants to be objectified, and she's an attractive object. |
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If she considers it liberating, it's a win-win.
I'm not going to tell either the model nor those who buy her photos what to do. Besides, the direction of currency flow suggests that it's not the model who is being exploited.
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| -Can someone explain how posing half-naked for a magazine "liberates" a woman? |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 09:58 AM |
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"My body, my choice." |
Le Taz Hot |
Apr-20-11 10:00 AM |
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Ok, but was she being coerced into keeping her clothes on? |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:02 AM |
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Yes, she was being coerced from birth to be "modest" |
snooper2 |
Apr-20-11 10:04 AM |
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+1 |
Deep13 |
Apr-20-11 10:14 AM |
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Yes, coerced by birth probably due to religious reasons |
BoWanZi |
Apr-20-11 10:35 AM |
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+1. Seems simple enough. nt |
blondeatlast |
Apr-20-11 02:00 PM |
#44 |
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If you were raised to believe that your body was shameful and had to be completely covered, to |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-20-11 10:01 AM |
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Her family is apparently Western-oriented and moderate, given |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:03 AM |
#6 |
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"...deliberate message to her conservative Turkish family." |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-20-11 10:06 AM |
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so go to the other extreme, strip down for a bunch of males to objectify you.... |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 02:17 PM |
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She got to choose |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:27 PM |
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not at all. that has nothing ot do with what i said. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 02:58 PM |
#74 |
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In her culture women are the private property of their husbands |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:53 PM |
#94 |
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Speaking as a person who |
Ninjaneer |
Apr-20-11 11:03 PM |
#116 |
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she can do whatever she wants |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 11:06 PM |
#117 |
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I understand the purpose of a discussion board. |
Ninjaneer |
Apr-20-11 11:28 PM |
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She's not feeding a patriarchy. |
LetTimmySmoke |
Apr-21-11 01:07 AM |
#128 |
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Many here seem not to understand the purpose of discussion. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:07 AM |
#133 |
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such simple words, yet still, they are ignored, lol. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-21-11 09:17 AM |
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I think some here really WANT to see a conservative boogeyman - |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:26 AM |
#141 |
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i laughed |
seabeyond |
Apr-21-11 09:27 AM |
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Yeah, how *dare* she not share your militant opinions! |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:12 PM |
#165 |
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I'll share your opinions on upbringing and |
truedelphi |
Apr-24-11 03:17 PM |
#172 |
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Liberation is the ability to do what you want. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-20-11 10:01 AM |
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Her fake boobs at that. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:14 AM |
#16 |
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meow hiss nt |
sudopod |
Apr-20-11 10:26 AM |
#18 |
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And how are you so sure about that? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-20-11 10:33 AM |
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Let's go contribute to her liberation by ogling the photos and speculating about that question. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-20-11 01:38 PM |
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Exactly. Treating women as sex objects is 'respectful' in just a handful of scenarios, IMO. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:03 PM |
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So to prevent her from being treated as an object |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:28 PM |
#60 |
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Nonresponsive to my post. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:33 PM |
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You equate nudity with objectification |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:35 PM |
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no one is forcing anyone to do anything watson. because the hypocrisy is called out and discussed |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:00 PM |
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I'm thinking that many here who assert that we are 'forcing' her to wear a burqa (or |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:02 PM |
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ya |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 06:01 PM |
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There was a time it'd bother me; now, it doesn't - as much. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 09:45 PM |
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From the article, the Turkish actress who posed, says she did it so other girls can break free |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 03:07 PM |
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so she strips to feed that very patriarchy that uses sexual objectification of women |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:10 PM |
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She's taking the ultimate western icon of female porn |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 03:18 PM |
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it is like when iranian pres says, cleavage cause earthquakes |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:27 PM |
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What if she stripped naked in a closet |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:51 PM |
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If you think one extreme is the same as the other, you have my sympathy. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:11 PM |
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it is about repression and control, not about burqas and nipples. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 10:42 PM |
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Sorry. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:49 PM |
#114 |
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But don't you see? This girl can't decide for herself what's liberating for her. She needs feminists |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:18 PM |
#167 |
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Stating without any doubt that |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:47 PM |
#90 |
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"Those that insist others shut up & not discuss cause they dont agree with you & others." |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:16 PM |
#166 |
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So not only is she not capable of making the decision, she's not capable of having an opinion? |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-20-11 05:11 PM |
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Yep. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:11 PM |
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So: she's obviousy too stupid to have made her own decision in the matter? |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:46 AM |
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Yet, if she decided she wanted to wear a burka, you'd be telling us she'd been brainwashed. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:55 AM |
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If wearing a burka meant the difference between life and death?? |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 10:05 AM |
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Now you employ the term Patriarchy. I guess it's only patriarchal oppression when you say so, |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 10:07 AM |
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Where do you get that? When did I refuse to employ the term? |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 10:10 AM |
#154 |
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Post 114. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 10:19 AM |
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....Annnnnnnnddddddd |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 10:28 AM |
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Luckily, we have militant anti-sex feminists to guide her! |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:19 PM |
#168 |
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Yep. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 01:43 PM |
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The prior poster was seemed so sure about it, so it seemed fair to ask why |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-20-11 10:45 PM |
#113 |
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I have a little difficulty with the concept of blaming those who view the pictures... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-21-11 11:53 AM |
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It should be obvious |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-21-11 12:43 AM |
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Have you seen the picture? n/t |
burrfoot |
Apr-21-11 12:59 PM |
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you can tell they're fake... |
Maine-ah |
Apr-20-11 09:56 PM |
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LOL..... |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:00 PM |
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Oh damn |
snooper2 |
Apr-21-11 09:49 AM |
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Well, it does liberate her from her 'foundation garments.' |
msanthrope |
Apr-20-11 10:02 AM |
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People tell us our bodies and our sexuality are bad. |
ZombieHorde |
Apr-20-11 10:10 AM |
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You know what? |
JustAnotherGen |
Apr-20-11 10:11 AM |
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LOL, I think you nailed it. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:13 AM |
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The restrictive Islamic dress code and other rules it imposes on women... |
Deep13 |
Apr-20-11 10:13 AM |
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A feeling of being liberated is a subjective thing, not something that can be objectively measured. |
Speck Tater |
Apr-20-11 10:13 AM |
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+1. nt |
blondeatlast |
Apr-20-11 02:02 PM |
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Well said...nt |
SidDithers |
Apr-20-11 05:10 PM |
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Because she is choosing instead of submitting to her family's religion. |
Dappleganger |
Apr-20-11 10:14 AM |
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Sure, if she were to make enough money from this, it could liberate her from |
Cal33 |
Apr-20-11 10:16 AM |
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If she says it felt liberating, then thats all the explanation you need. |
phleshdef |
Apr-20-11 10:27 AM |
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If she told me doing somersaults made her angry, I might still seek explanation. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:51 AM |
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Your tone came across as being critical towards her. |
phleshdef |
Apr-20-11 01:36 PM |
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Perhaps. Yesterday, though, there was a thread about allowing children to dress 'inappropriately' |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 01:52 PM |
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No! The thread yesterday was about children, this Turkish actress is a woman |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 01:59 PM |
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"Nudity is and can be dignified." Especially when I do it in the Library. |
AngryAmish |
Apr-20-11 02:12 PM |
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Um, these aren't "childhood restrictions". WTF are you talking about? |
phleshdef |
Apr-20-11 02:09 PM |
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They are. Did you even read the article??? |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:13 PM |
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Exactly! nt |
thereismore |
Apr-20-11 10:52 AM |
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+1 |
Vinnie From Indy |
Apr-20-11 11:23 AM |
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Nail, meet hammer. |
Ninjaneer |
Apr-20-11 11:15 PM |
#119 |
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Because it is her choice |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-20-11 10:32 AM |
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Oh why can't they just expose the left half or the right half? |
RedCloud |
Apr-20-11 10:39 AM |
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I respect that she's chosen to do this |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-20-11 10:44 AM |
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There was a video I rented, with a short docu. on an English Muslim female porn star - |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:55 AM |
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+1 |
Poll_Blind |
Apr-20-11 10:57 AM |
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That is really an excellent point! I was an art student in college (initially) |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 11:03 AM |
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There's the rub, of course: The difference is all in our eyes. And in that regards, we.... |
Poll_Blind |
Apr-20-11 11:13 AM |
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And yet, it's her own name that is known. The model for the VdM is unknown |
muriel_volestrangler |
Apr-20-11 11:34 AM |
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What's the difference? |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:31 PM |
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That question is a subject of study without a clear answer whatsoever. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:34 PM |
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The definition of art is simple |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:37 PM |
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I disagree with you. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:44 PM |
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Uh "Piss Christ" actually IS a pile of crap, and actually IS art. |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 02:50 PM |
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So there is no objective standard for art |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:46 PM |
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That's a very interesting question. I like it. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:20 AM |
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The irony is, of course...... |
Wounded Bear |
Apr-20-11 10:56 AM |
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+1 |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-20-11 11:17 AM |
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Why doesn't that work the same way for men? |
leftstreet |
Apr-20-11 02:06 PM |
#47 |
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Because generally if a woman wanted to see male genitals |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:32 PM |
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True. |
U4ikLefty |
Apr-20-11 11:35 PM |
#122 |
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Rebelling Against a Culture That Requires Her Whole Body to be Covered |
AndyTiedye |
Apr-20-11 10:59 AM |
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She may find she has traded one restriction for another. |
DevonRex |
Apr-20-11 11:00 AM |
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Liberation is in the mind of the person who wants to feel |
MineralMan |
Apr-20-11 11:10 AM |
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No |
elleng |
Apr-20-11 11:35 AM |
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In this country I can't |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Apr-20-11 11:40 AM |
#39 |
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Sometimes I have to make sure I'm not at conservativeunderground. nt |
Modern_Matthew |
Apr-20-11 02:08 PM |
#48 |
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I don't doubt that for a moment. nt |
blondeatlast |
Apr-20-11 10:08 PM |
#108 |
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Because those who want their daughters to grow up to be rocket scientists and prime ministers, |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:12 AM |
#136 |
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I took an advanced post-grad class on the subject (Madonna among the examples) |
librechik |
Apr-20-11 02:15 PM |
#52 |
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You don't get it because you are a conservative/disrespect women's choices/yadda yadda. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:19 PM |
#54 |
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There's been plenty of reasonable discussion on this thread. |
EOTE |
Apr-20-11 02:55 PM |
#73 |
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Boy you could have come down to my local women's shelter and had this convo for free |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 02:32 PM |
#62 |
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I'm with you |
Keith Bee |
Apr-20-11 02:48 PM |
#71 |
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I thoroughly approve her take-that against the fundies. Fuck them all. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-20-11 02:19 PM |
#55 |
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Having and making choices is liberating |
lunatica |
Apr-20-11 02:20 PM |
#56 |
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That makes sense, yes. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:22 PM |
#57 |
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Well from a muslim background it means she is rejected notions forced on her |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:26 PM |
#58 |
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I have an idea.. How about we don't talk about |
walldude |
Apr-20-11 02:41 PM |
#68 |
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yet in france they hide apollo. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:03 PM |
#78 |
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Not any more, putting his explicit self back up. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:09 AM |
#135 |
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yes... i know. wehre i got info. in the oh so sexually sophisticated france |
seabeyond |
Apr-21-11 09:19 AM |
#139 |
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I don't pretend any such thing. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:34 AM |
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Awww, my friend there are so many famous nudes of men in Europe.... |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-21-11 09:41 AM |
#145 |
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It would be the same for you if you were forced to live like your parents |
county worker |
Apr-20-11 02:43 PM |
#69 |
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You don't have to understand why things make people feel any specific way. |
PeaceNikki |
Apr-20-11 03:02 PM |
#76 |
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I don't have to understand why tides ebb and flow, or why people fall in love. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:05 PM |
#79 |
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Threatens me? What on earth gave you such a ridiculous idea? |
PeaceNikki |
Apr-20-11 03:29 PM |
#86 |
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Your suggestion that a lack of need-to-know renders discussion rude and/or pointless. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:39 PM |
#87 |
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choice is choice.... |
spanone |
Apr-20-11 03:07 PM |
#81 |
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But that is a tautology, and doesn't shed light on her reasoning. As |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:43 PM |
#88 |
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If she feels liberated, then she is - it is her feeling, not ours. nt |
Obamanaut |
Apr-20-11 03:09 PM |
#82 |
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Fuckk SS and Medicare ! This is an issue we really need to be addressing. |
RagAss |
Apr-20-11 04:49 PM |
#91 |
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Germany is a lot less uptight about that kind of thing. |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-20-11 04:52 PM |
#93 |
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I sort of understand it. When I first wore a |
Cleita |
Apr-20-11 04:56 PM |
#95 |
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There we go. I can totally cheer you on there. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 05:58 PM |
#100 |
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It liberates her because she feels that it liberates her. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-20-11 05:09 PM |
#96 |
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Tautologies are, by definition, irrational. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 05:58 PM |
#101 |
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Not in this case, when you're dealing with a subjective phenomena. Liberation is subjective. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-20-11 11:47 PM |
#123 |
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Liberation is not subjective. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:00 AM |
#130 |
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There's nothing so liberating as letting others define liberation for you, huh? |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-22-11 07:40 PM |
#170 |
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Because she wanted to and didn't let her fundie family values stop her |
TNLib |
Apr-20-11 05:26 PM |
#99 |
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Spend 10 years in a Burka and then come ask again |
Motown_Johnny |
Apr-20-11 09:47 PM |
#104 |
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Nudity in general is liberating. |
themadstork |
Apr-20-11 10:02 PM |
#107 |
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Probably, lol. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:16 AM |
#137 |
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You're right. Half naked wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. But fully naked, that's a whole |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Apr-20-11 10:09 PM |
#109 |
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Read an article about a parapalegic female athlete who posed nude for a sports magazine |
pinkkillersheep |
Apr-20-11 10:49 PM |
#115 |
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because she could not have gotten that across to you with all her accomplishments, only in getting |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 11:07 PM |
#118 |
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I more meant how I view the physically disabled sexually |
pinkkillersheep |
Apr-21-11 09:56 AM |
#151 |
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Haven't read this but how about females going bare-breasted on beaches? |
defendandprotect |
Apr-20-11 11:18 PM |
#120 |
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That makes sense to me. Some women will march bare-breasted in the Gay Pride Parade. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:03 AM |
#131 |
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there are nude works of art and there is exploitation. that's |
okieinpain |
Apr-21-11 12:13 AM |
#124 |
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It's not the posing that's liberating. |
LetTimmySmoke |
Apr-21-11 01:04 AM |
#126 |
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Americans are way too hung up about nudity. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-21-11 01:06 AM |
#127 |
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voluntarily shedding of one's clothes is classic symbolic liberation |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-21-11 01:50 AM |
#129 |
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The commercial taint to the act is an important part of the context to the question. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:06 AM |
#132 |
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Except this woman possibly stands to lose as much money as she gains |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-21-11 09:33 AM |
#143 |
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Her awareness of the risks of the loss of career choices and, possibly |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:44 AM |
#147 |
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Independence from social mores. |
no_hypocrisy |
Apr-21-11 09:08 AM |
#134 |
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Money is liberating |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Apr-21-11 09:43 AM |
#146 |
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If the restriction is that you can't do something... |
Iggo |
Apr-21-11 10:13 AM |
#155 |
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eh...Miss Turkey from the Hardee's commercial looks about 10x better... |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-21-11 10:51 AM |
#158 |
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Shame on you!!!! |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 12:37 PM |
#161 |
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The odd thing is. I've never seen a fat chick "liberate herself" in such a way. |
cottonseed |
Apr-21-11 11:00 AM |
#159 |
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Plenty of BBW nudity out there. |
Forkboy |
Apr-21-11 12:44 PM |
#162 |
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Because she's the one making the decision. End of discussion. |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:10 PM |
#164 |
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It's never been done before! |
ismnotwasm |
Apr-22-11 07:53 PM |
#171 |
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many western parents would be upset with their daughters doing this also |
JI7 |
Apr-24-11 04:25 PM |
#173 |
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If it has to be explained to you.. |
sendero |
Apr-24-11 04:28 PM |
#174 |
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So here's a shocker: A man writes that he approves of her posing, |
closeupready |
Apr-25-11 01:42 PM |
#175 |
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She wants to be objectified, and she's an attractive object. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-25-11 01:50 PM |
#176 |
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