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Wed Apr-20-11 03:10 PM
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| 83. so she strips to feed that very patriarchy that uses sexual objectification of women |
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to do the very same thing, only in the west.
she traded one exptreme to feed another extreme
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| -Can someone explain how posing half-naked for a magazine "liberates" a woman? |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 09:58 AM |
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"My body, my choice." |
Le Taz Hot |
Apr-20-11 10:00 AM |
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Ok, but was she being coerced into keeping her clothes on? |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:02 AM |
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Yes, she was being coerced from birth to be "modest" |
snooper2 |
Apr-20-11 10:04 AM |
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+1 |
Deep13 |
Apr-20-11 10:14 AM |
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Yes, coerced by birth probably due to religious reasons |
BoWanZi |
Apr-20-11 10:35 AM |
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+1. Seems simple enough. nt |
blondeatlast |
Apr-20-11 02:00 PM |
#44 |
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If you were raised to believe that your body was shameful and had to be completely covered, to |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-20-11 10:01 AM |
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Her family is apparently Western-oriented and moderate, given |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:03 AM |
#6 |
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"...deliberate message to her conservative Turkish family." |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-20-11 10:06 AM |
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so go to the other extreme, strip down for a bunch of males to objectify you.... |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 02:17 PM |
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She got to choose |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:27 PM |
#59 |
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not at all. that has nothing ot do with what i said. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 02:58 PM |
#74 |
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In her culture women are the private property of their husbands |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:53 PM |
#94 |
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Speaking as a person who |
Ninjaneer |
Apr-20-11 11:03 PM |
#116 |
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she can do whatever she wants |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 11:06 PM |
#117 |
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I understand the purpose of a discussion board. |
Ninjaneer |
Apr-20-11 11:28 PM |
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She's not feeding a patriarchy. |
LetTimmySmoke |
Apr-21-11 01:07 AM |
#128 |
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Many here seem not to understand the purpose of discussion. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:07 AM |
#133 |
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such simple words, yet still, they are ignored, lol. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-21-11 09:17 AM |
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I think some here really WANT to see a conservative boogeyman - |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:26 AM |
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i laughed |
seabeyond |
Apr-21-11 09:27 AM |
#142 |
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Yeah, how *dare* she not share your militant opinions! |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:12 PM |
#165 |
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I'll share your opinions on upbringing and |
truedelphi |
Apr-24-11 03:17 PM |
#172 |
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Liberation is the ability to do what you want. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-20-11 10:01 AM |
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Her fake boobs at that. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:14 AM |
#16 |
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meow hiss nt |
sudopod |
Apr-20-11 10:26 AM |
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And how are you so sure about that? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-20-11 10:33 AM |
#21 |
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Let's go contribute to her liberation by ogling the photos and speculating about that question. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-20-11 01:38 PM |
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Exactly. Treating women as sex objects is 'respectful' in just a handful of scenarios, IMO. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:03 PM |
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So to prevent her from being treated as an object |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:28 PM |
#60 |
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Nonresponsive to my post. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:33 PM |
#64 |
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You equate nudity with objectification |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:35 PM |
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no one is forcing anyone to do anything watson. because the hypocrisy is called out and discussed |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:00 PM |
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I'm thinking that many here who assert that we are 'forcing' her to wear a burqa (or |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:02 PM |
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ya |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 06:01 PM |
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There was a time it'd bother me; now, it doesn't - as much. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 09:45 PM |
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From the article, the Turkish actress who posed, says she did it so other girls can break free |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 03:07 PM |
#80 |
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so she strips to feed that very patriarchy that uses sexual objectification of women |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:10 PM |
#83 |
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She's taking the ultimate western icon of female porn |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 03:18 PM |
#84 |
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it is like when iranian pres says, cleavage cause earthquakes |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:27 PM |
#85 |
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What if she stripped naked in a closet |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:51 PM |
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If you think one extreme is the same as the other, you have my sympathy. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:11 PM |
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it is about repression and control, not about burqas and nipples. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 10:42 PM |
#112 |
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Sorry. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:49 PM |
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But don't you see? This girl can't decide for herself what's liberating for her. She needs feminists |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:18 PM |
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Stating without any doubt that |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:47 PM |
#90 |
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"Those that insist others shut up & not discuss cause they dont agree with you & others." |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:16 PM |
#166 |
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So not only is she not capable of making the decision, she's not capable of having an opinion? |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-20-11 05:11 PM |
#98 |
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Yep. |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:11 PM |
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So: she's obviousy too stupid to have made her own decision in the matter? |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:46 AM |
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Yet, if she decided she wanted to wear a burka, you'd be telling us she'd been brainwashed. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:55 AM |
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If wearing a burka meant the difference between life and death?? |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 10:05 AM |
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Now you employ the term Patriarchy. I guess it's only patriarchal oppression when you say so, |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 10:07 AM |
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Where do you get that? When did I refuse to employ the term? |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 10:10 AM |
#154 |
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Post 114. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 10:19 AM |
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....Annnnnnnnddddddd |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 10:28 AM |
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Luckily, we have militant anti-sex feminists to guide her! |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:19 PM |
#168 |
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Yep. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 01:43 PM |
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The prior poster was seemed so sure about it, so it seemed fair to ask why |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-20-11 10:45 PM |
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I have a little difficulty with the concept of blaming those who view the pictures... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-21-11 11:53 AM |
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It should be obvious |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-21-11 12:43 AM |
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Have you seen the picture? n/t |
burrfoot |
Apr-21-11 12:59 PM |
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you can tell they're fake... |
Maine-ah |
Apr-20-11 09:56 PM |
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LOL..... |
cliffordu |
Apr-20-11 10:00 PM |
#106 |
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Oh damn |
snooper2 |
Apr-21-11 09:49 AM |
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Well, it does liberate her from her 'foundation garments.' |
msanthrope |
Apr-20-11 10:02 AM |
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People tell us our bodies and our sexuality are bad. |
ZombieHorde |
Apr-20-11 10:10 AM |
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You know what? |
JustAnotherGen |
Apr-20-11 10:11 AM |
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LOL, I think you nailed it. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:13 AM |
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The restrictive Islamic dress code and other rules it imposes on women... |
Deep13 |
Apr-20-11 10:13 AM |
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A feeling of being liberated is a subjective thing, not something that can be objectively measured. |
Speck Tater |
Apr-20-11 10:13 AM |
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+1. nt |
blondeatlast |
Apr-20-11 02:02 PM |
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Well said...nt |
SidDithers |
Apr-20-11 05:10 PM |
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Because she is choosing instead of submitting to her family's religion. |
Dappleganger |
Apr-20-11 10:14 AM |
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Sure, if she were to make enough money from this, it could liberate her from |
Cal33 |
Apr-20-11 10:16 AM |
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If she says it felt liberating, then thats all the explanation you need. |
phleshdef |
Apr-20-11 10:27 AM |
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If she told me doing somersaults made her angry, I might still seek explanation. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:51 AM |
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Your tone came across as being critical towards her. |
phleshdef |
Apr-20-11 01:36 PM |
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Perhaps. Yesterday, though, there was a thread about allowing children to dress 'inappropriately' |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 01:52 PM |
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No! The thread yesterday was about children, this Turkish actress is a woman |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 01:59 PM |
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"Nudity is and can be dignified." Especially when I do it in the Library. |
AngryAmish |
Apr-20-11 02:12 PM |
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Um, these aren't "childhood restrictions". WTF are you talking about? |
phleshdef |
Apr-20-11 02:09 PM |
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They are. Did you even read the article??? |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:13 PM |
#51 |
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Exactly! nt |
thereismore |
Apr-20-11 10:52 AM |
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+1 |
Vinnie From Indy |
Apr-20-11 11:23 AM |
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Nail, meet hammer. |
Ninjaneer |
Apr-20-11 11:15 PM |
#119 |
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Because it is her choice |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-20-11 10:32 AM |
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Oh why can't they just expose the left half or the right half? |
RedCloud |
Apr-20-11 10:39 AM |
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I respect that she's chosen to do this |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-20-11 10:44 AM |
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There was a video I rented, with a short docu. on an English Muslim female porn star - |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 10:55 AM |
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+1 |
Poll_Blind |
Apr-20-11 10:57 AM |
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That is really an excellent point! I was an art student in college (initially) |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 11:03 AM |
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There's the rub, of course: The difference is all in our eyes. And in that regards, we.... |
Poll_Blind |
Apr-20-11 11:13 AM |
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And yet, it's her own name that is known. The model for the VdM is unknown |
muriel_volestrangler |
Apr-20-11 11:34 AM |
#37 |
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What's the difference? |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:31 PM |
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That question is a subject of study without a clear answer whatsoever. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:34 PM |
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The definition of art is simple |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:37 PM |
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I disagree with you. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:44 PM |
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Uh "Piss Christ" actually IS a pile of crap, and actually IS art. |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 02:50 PM |
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So there is no objective standard for art |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 04:46 PM |
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That's a very interesting question. I like it. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:20 AM |
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The irony is, of course...... |
Wounded Bear |
Apr-20-11 10:56 AM |
#28 |
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+1 |
sinkingfeeling |
Apr-20-11 11:17 AM |
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Why doesn't that work the same way for men? |
leftstreet |
Apr-20-11 02:06 PM |
#47 |
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Because generally if a woman wanted to see male genitals |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:32 PM |
#63 |
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True. |
U4ikLefty |
Apr-20-11 11:35 PM |
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Rebelling Against a Culture That Requires Her Whole Body to be Covered |
AndyTiedye |
Apr-20-11 10:59 AM |
#30 |
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She may find she has traded one restriction for another. |
DevonRex |
Apr-20-11 11:00 AM |
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Liberation is in the mind of the person who wants to feel |
MineralMan |
Apr-20-11 11:10 AM |
#33 |
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No |
elleng |
Apr-20-11 11:35 AM |
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In this country I can't |
eowyn_of_rohan |
Apr-20-11 11:40 AM |
#39 |
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Sometimes I have to make sure I'm not at conservativeunderground. nt |
Modern_Matthew |
Apr-20-11 02:08 PM |
#48 |
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I don't doubt that for a moment. nt |
blondeatlast |
Apr-20-11 10:08 PM |
#108 |
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Because those who want their daughters to grow up to be rocket scientists and prime ministers, |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:12 AM |
#136 |
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I took an advanced post-grad class on the subject (Madonna among the examples) |
librechik |
Apr-20-11 02:15 PM |
#52 |
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You don't get it because you are a conservative/disrespect women's choices/yadda yadda. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:19 PM |
#54 |
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There's been plenty of reasonable discussion on this thread. |
EOTE |
Apr-20-11 02:55 PM |
#73 |
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Boy you could have come down to my local women's shelter and had this convo for free |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-20-11 02:32 PM |
#62 |
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I'm with you |
Keith Bee |
Apr-20-11 02:48 PM |
#71 |
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I thoroughly approve her take-that against the fundies. Fuck them all. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-20-11 02:19 PM |
#55 |
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Having and making choices is liberating |
lunatica |
Apr-20-11 02:20 PM |
#56 |
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That makes sense, yes. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 02:22 PM |
#57 |
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Well from a muslim background it means she is rejected notions forced on her |
WatsonT |
Apr-20-11 02:26 PM |
#58 |
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I have an idea.. How about we don't talk about |
walldude |
Apr-20-11 02:41 PM |
#68 |
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yet in france they hide apollo. nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 03:03 PM |
#78 |
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Not any more, putting his explicit self back up. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:09 AM |
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yes... i know. wehre i got info. in the oh so sexually sophisticated france |
seabeyond |
Apr-21-11 09:19 AM |
#139 |
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I don't pretend any such thing. |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:34 AM |
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Awww, my friend there are so many famous nudes of men in Europe.... |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-21-11 09:41 AM |
#145 |
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It would be the same for you if you were forced to live like your parents |
county worker |
Apr-20-11 02:43 PM |
#69 |
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You don't have to understand why things make people feel any specific way. |
PeaceNikki |
Apr-20-11 03:02 PM |
#76 |
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I don't have to understand why tides ebb and flow, or why people fall in love. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:05 PM |
#79 |
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Threatens me? What on earth gave you such a ridiculous idea? |
PeaceNikki |
Apr-20-11 03:29 PM |
#86 |
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Your suggestion that a lack of need-to-know renders discussion rude and/or pointless. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:39 PM |
#87 |
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choice is choice.... |
spanone |
Apr-20-11 03:07 PM |
#81 |
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But that is a tautology, and doesn't shed light on her reasoning. As |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 03:43 PM |
#88 |
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If she feels liberated, then she is - it is her feeling, not ours. nt |
Obamanaut |
Apr-20-11 03:09 PM |
#82 |
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Fuckk SS and Medicare ! This is an issue we really need to be addressing. |
RagAss |
Apr-20-11 04:49 PM |
#91 |
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Germany is a lot less uptight about that kind of thing. |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-20-11 04:52 PM |
#93 |
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I sort of understand it. When I first wore a |
Cleita |
Apr-20-11 04:56 PM |
#95 |
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There we go. I can totally cheer you on there. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 05:58 PM |
#100 |
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It liberates her because she feels that it liberates her. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-20-11 05:09 PM |
#96 |
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Tautologies are, by definition, irrational. |
closeupready |
Apr-20-11 05:58 PM |
#101 |
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Not in this case, when you're dealing with a subjective phenomena. Liberation is subjective. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-20-11 11:47 PM |
#123 |
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Liberation is not subjective. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:00 AM |
#130 |
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There's nothing so liberating as letting others define liberation for you, huh? |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-22-11 07:40 PM |
#170 |
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Because she wanted to and didn't let her fundie family values stop her |
TNLib |
Apr-20-11 05:26 PM |
#99 |
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Spend 10 years in a Burka and then come ask again |
Motown_Johnny |
Apr-20-11 09:47 PM |
#104 |
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Nudity in general is liberating. |
themadstork |
Apr-20-11 10:02 PM |
#107 |
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Probably, lol. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:16 AM |
#137 |
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You're right. Half naked wouldn't make a lot of sense to me. But fully naked, that's a whole |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Apr-20-11 10:09 PM |
#109 |
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Read an article about a parapalegic female athlete who posed nude for a sports magazine |
pinkkillersheep |
Apr-20-11 10:49 PM |
#115 |
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because she could not have gotten that across to you with all her accomplishments, only in getting |
seabeyond |
Apr-20-11 11:07 PM |
#118 |
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I more meant how I view the physically disabled sexually |
pinkkillersheep |
Apr-21-11 09:56 AM |
#151 |
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Haven't read this but how about females going bare-breasted on beaches? |
defendandprotect |
Apr-20-11 11:18 PM |
#120 |
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That makes sense to me. Some women will march bare-breasted in the Gay Pride Parade. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:03 AM |
#131 |
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there are nude works of art and there is exploitation. that's |
okieinpain |
Apr-21-11 12:13 AM |
#124 |
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It's not the posing that's liberating. |
LetTimmySmoke |
Apr-21-11 01:04 AM |
#126 |
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Americans are way too hung up about nudity. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-21-11 01:06 AM |
#127 |
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voluntarily shedding of one's clothes is classic symbolic liberation |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-21-11 01:50 AM |
#129 |
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The commercial taint to the act is an important part of the context to the question. |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 09:06 AM |
#132 |
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Except this woman possibly stands to lose as much money as she gains |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-21-11 09:33 AM |
#143 |
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Her awareness of the risks of the loss of career choices and, possibly |
cliffordu |
Apr-21-11 09:44 AM |
#147 |
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Independence from social mores. |
no_hypocrisy |
Apr-21-11 09:08 AM |
#134 |
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Money is liberating |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Apr-21-11 09:43 AM |
#146 |
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If the restriction is that you can't do something... |
Iggo |
Apr-21-11 10:13 AM |
#155 |
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eh...Miss Turkey from the Hardee's commercial looks about 10x better... |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-21-11 10:51 AM |
#158 |
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Shame on you!!!! |
closeupready |
Apr-21-11 12:37 PM |
#161 |
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The odd thing is. I've never seen a fat chick "liberate herself" in such a way. |
cottonseed |
Apr-21-11 11:00 AM |
#159 |
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Plenty of BBW nudity out there. |
Forkboy |
Apr-21-11 12:44 PM |
#162 |
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Because she's the one making the decision. End of discussion. |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-21-11 01:10 PM |
#164 |
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It's never been done before! |
ismnotwasm |
Apr-22-11 07:53 PM |
#171 |
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many western parents would be upset with their daughters doing this also |
JI7 |
Apr-24-11 04:25 PM |
#173 |
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If it has to be explained to you.. |
sendero |
Apr-24-11 04:28 PM |
#174 |
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So here's a shocker: A man writes that he approves of her posing, |
closeupready |
Apr-25-11 01:42 PM |
#175 |
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She wants to be objectified, and she's an attractive object. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-25-11 01:50 PM |
#176 |
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