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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:15 AM
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42. When I objected to a person's bigoted statement about a certain republican
being so ugly and homophobic that he *must* be gay, I was immediately put down by multiple posters for being too sensitive and ridiculous.

Hey, I am white and straight and saw right through that crap as plain as day. Can't imagine how much more offensive it would be to the gay community. It was surprising that people defended the op so much--even if it was a slam against Santorum it was also a slam against the LGBT community in the same breath.

But then again, there are many things which happen here which cross that line regularly and are defended.
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  -How do we define 'Bigotry'? A start to an important conversation stevenleser  Apr-19-11 02:21 PM   #0 
  - I support free speech  Bragi   Apr-19-11 02:26 PM   #1 
  - So am I right in saying that you think nothing should be deleted no matter what is said and that...  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 02:30 PM   #3 
     - To be more clear on this...  Bragi   Apr-19-11 02:35 PM   #5 
        - I will bet that most feminists disagree with you if I recall the B**** discussions  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 02:45 PM   #7 
        - Dunno  Bragi   Apr-19-11 03:02 PM   #8 
           - I agree that words are only part of it. I discussed them with you because you brought up specifics  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 03:39 PM   #11 
           - You wrote:  Bragi   Apr-20-11 09:08 AM   #40 
           - It's often used by  JustAnotherGen   Apr-20-11 09:11 AM   #41 
              - Stop being a dick  Bragi   Apr-20-11 10:38 AM   #43 
        - Using a woman's body part as an insult is demeaning to women, yes. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-19-11 03:44 PM   #12 
        - And that is where I thought most women would position themselves on that...  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 04:00 PM   #18 
        - Having made so many mistakes myself  EFerrari   Apr-19-11 04:02 PM   #19 
        - If I call someone a dick, am I anti-men? /nt  Bragi   Apr-19-11 11:13 PM   #26 
           - I would argue yes. Since men are not a minority class and do not suffer prejudice, we dont typically  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 11:21 PM   #28 
           - Sir, your argument there is silly  Bragi   Apr-20-11 06:05 AM   #35 
              - See Thomcat's #46 which is exactly the point. It is still gender loaded language. n/t  stevenleser   Apr-20-11 05:05 PM   #51 
           - Calling someone a dick is still still using gender loaded language,  ThomCat   Apr-20-11 02:25 PM   #46 
              - I don't buy that at all  Bragi   Apr-21-11 07:34 AM   #55 
        - You would be wrong about using any derogotory reference to  ThomCat   Apr-20-11 02:22 PM   #45 
           - See how easy it is to call someone a bigot?  Bragi   Apr-21-11 08:19 AM   #57 
  - K&R...  SidDithers   Apr-19-11 02:29 PM   #2 
  - Be wary of people who want a "line in the sand"  leftstreet   Apr-19-11 02:32 PM   #4 
  - I thought of that. I hope that doesnt end up describing a lot of people.  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 02:42 PM   #6 
  - I think the vast majority of DUers are for complete equal rights for everyone.  Jim__   Apr-19-11 03:13 PM   #9 
  - The point is to come up with rules or guidelines that are not ambiguous.  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 03:33 PM   #10 
  - When I speak of implementation, I'm not just speaking about the order that things are done.  Jim__   Apr-19-11 03:52 PM   #14 
     - Generally, Democrats, Liberals, Progressives feel that affirmative action IS equal rights  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 03:56 PM   #17 
        - It sounds like you only want to allow opinions that agree with yours.  Jim__   Apr-19-11 04:07 PM   #20 
           - Actually, it is a progressive and liberal position. And yes, I only want Liberal/Democratic  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 11:22 PM   #29 
              - The point is that when people's positions are wrong, there should not be a rule against telling them  Jim__   Apr-20-11 06:55 AM   #37 
                 - If we create a poll here, or any other Democratic leaning site, you will see quickly how you are  stevenleser   Apr-20-11 05:15 PM   #52 
  - Additionally, I think the issue is that we are failing as a community to address these things well  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 03:53 PM   #15 
  - More examples, cross posted from Sapphocrat (I hope it is OK with them)  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 03:49 PM   #13 
  - There's a lot of casual because accepted bigotry that as Americans  EFerrari   Apr-19-11 03:54 PM   #16 
  - Actually, that IS helpful /nt  Bragi   Apr-19-11 11:16 PM   #27 
  - I do not think we should tolerate intolerant bigots who refuse to be reasonable.  Odin2005   Apr-19-11 04:10 PM   #21 
  - I've seen this discussion pop up in the GLBT forum before, and it really irritates me.  closeupready   Apr-19-11 04:26 PM   #24 
  - Yes, I agree. Great quote, thanks. nt  Zorra   Apr-19-11 04:45 PM   #25 
  - OK, but how do you apply that to some of the problem threads and comments we have had here?  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 11:35 PM   #31 
     - It would take some discernment, but it is not all that difficult  Zorra   Apr-20-11 02:05 AM   #34 
  - For bigotry here on DU against gays, there is a sort of baseline, and that is,  closeupready   Apr-19-11 04:16 PM   #22 
  - I accept that nothing less than full equality for all groups is the baseline.  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 11:26 PM   #30 
     - I think Starry states something important below, that context must be considered  closeupready   Apr-20-11 06:44 AM   #36 
  - This is probably more a conversation about privilege  Starry Messenger   Apr-19-11 04:25 PM   #23 
  - That is the essential question that I think we should wrestle with  stevenleser   Apr-19-11 11:38 PM   #32 
     - Skinner has stated that he expects that DU3 might take care of some of this.  Starry Messenger   Apr-20-11 12:00 AM   #33 
  - DU posts that begin with pseudo newsflash "TEXAS: ..." is a call for bigotry.  txwhitedove   Apr-20-11 07:02 AM   #38 
  - you left off the most bigoted saying on DU "your pet issue".  boston bean   Apr-20-11 07:19 AM   #39 
  - Being dismissive is different than being bigoted /nt  Bragi   Apr-20-11 01:35 PM   #44 
     - re-read. It's not just dismissive, it divides, says to someone too bad for your  boston bean   Apr-20-11 03:10 PM   #47 
     - Which human rights do you mean?  Bragi   Apr-20-11 03:41 PM   #49 
     - No, that's usually not true.  ThomCat   Apr-20-11 03:40 PM   #48 
        - I think you are conflating things  Bragi   Apr-21-11 05:32 AM   #53 
           - the argument is over bigoted policies and agenda's.  boston bean   Apr-21-11 06:10 AM   #54 
  - When I objected to a person's bigoted statement about a certain republican  Dappleganger   Apr-20-11 09:15 AM   #42 
  - That crap about making every hated person gay  ThomCat   Apr-20-11 03:47 PM   #50 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-21-11 08:26 AM   #58 
  - "what we believe constitutes bigotry and thus draw a line in the sand"  jberryhill   Apr-21-11 07:37 AM   #56 

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