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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:33 AM
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103. People lie and destory evidence because...why, exactly?
The crime scene wasn't "damaged", it was eliminated. I don't think the government set the fires, but I do think they mishandled the situation badly. The government should have waited for them to run out of food and water; most of the people would have surrendered given enough time.
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  -"18 years after Waco, Davidians believe Koresh was God" Paradoxical  Apr-16-11 11:20 PM   #0 
  - How many people think Joseph Smith was a prophet?  Spider Jerusalem   Apr-16-11 11:21 PM   #1 
  - And Christians. And Mohammedans.  aquart   Apr-16-11 11:43 PM   #15 
  - Well, aside from the whole "believing in God" thing.  boppers   Apr-17-11 12:37 AM   #26 
     - Well, if you know what "chosen" means...kinda.  aquart   Apr-17-11 04:08 AM   #53 
        - "Couldn't you chose somebody else every once in a while?"  boppers   Apr-19-11 12:24 AM   #130 
  - There are more Mormons now that there were Christians for  brewens   Apr-16-11 11:45 PM   #16 
     - The whole Space Beings things Lost me.  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 06:51 AM   #75 
        - There were space beings involved? Sounds like paranoid schizophrenia.  franzia99   Apr-17-11 07:31 AM   #81 
        - Scroll to the middle of this page...  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 07:53 AM   #87 
        - "The whole Space Beings things...."  boppers   Apr-19-11 12:41 AM   #132 
  - I don't belive he was God at all, but  white_wolf   Apr-16-11 11:22 PM   #2 
  - ATF raided the compound and were fired upon.  Paradoxical   Apr-16-11 11:24 PM   #4 
  - "waiting for that douchebag to let this people go."  Incitatus   Apr-16-11 11:34 PM   #9 
  - They believed he was God. They would do whatever he tells them.  Paradoxical   Apr-16-11 11:35 PM   #10 
     - So? That is their belief.  white_wolf   Apr-16-11 11:39 PM   #12 
        - They intervened because they were stockpiling weapons.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 03:13 AM   #47 
        - I guess Clinton skipped that history lesson about how sieges work.  WinkyDink   Apr-17-11 04:50 AM   #60 
        - I think Reno was looking for any reason to send in the troops.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 04:51 AM   #62 
        - Dude walked to town every day alone.  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 06:53 AM   #76 
        - If I remember correctly they intervened over allegations of child sexual abuse  franzia99   Apr-17-11 07:33 AM   #82 
        - If I remember correctly they intervened over allegations of child sexual abuse  franzia99   Apr-17-11 07:34 AM   #83 
        - Yup.. but I never heard anything else about that..  walldude   Apr-17-11 01:08 PM   #108 
        - I don't think you remember correctly.  Mariana   Apr-17-11 06:05 PM   #119 
           - Child abuse authorities were terrified of going in.  boppers   Apr-19-11 12:51 AM   #133 
        - Why yes it should  madokie   Apr-17-11 07:48 AM   #86 
           - So much for the 1st Amendment.  white_wolf   Apr-17-11 02:07 PM   #113 
  - Did they even want to leave?  white_wolf   Apr-16-11 11:35 PM   #11 
  - Some actually fled.  boppers   Apr-17-11 12:41 AM   #28 
     - It is stay and burn or drink the Kool-Aid or get a bullet to the head...  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 06:58 AM   #77 
     - "cult leaders tend to kill their followers"  ZombieHorde   Apr-17-11 05:15 PM   #114 
        - I suppose defining "cult" would be helpful.  boppers   Apr-19-11 12:35 AM   #131 
  - The ATF shouldn't exist  Ter   Apr-17-11 11:24 AM   #101 
  - Vernon Howell got a lot of people killed. a criminal that refused to turn himself in  seabeyond   Apr-17-11 08:25 AM   #90 
  - Some people still think the South won... n/t  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Apr-16-11 11:22 PM   #3 
  - It's their right.  JVS   Apr-16-11 11:24 PM   #5 
  - Religion is a mental illness.  Odin2005   Apr-16-11 11:25 PM   #6 
  - +1 n/t  TroglodyteScholar   Apr-16-11 11:47 PM   #17 
  - -1 nt  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-17-11 02:45 AM   #37 
  - And, many people zealously believe that, rather religiously ...  Festivito   Apr-17-11 06:36 AM   #74 
  - Bullshit  cordelia   Apr-17-11 07:55 AM   #88 
  - 1) Religion is a mental disorder (Watch this video for some explainations)  snooper2   Apr-18-11 01:09 PM   #128 
  - I'd like to see you post this in a non-Christian dominant country  Zax2me   Apr-17-11 01:10 PM   #110 
     - In some parts of this country coming out as an Atheist or Wiccan can leasd to ostracism...  Odin2005   Apr-17-11 05:40 PM   #118 
     - You already know what may well happen  Mariana   Apr-17-11 06:30 PM   #123 
  - Whatever gets you through the night  DefenseLawyer   Apr-16-11 11:26 PM   #7 
  - 18 years is nothing when your kids are burned alive.  Zanzoobar   Apr-16-11 11:33 PM   #8 
  - You see the same thing with nuclear energy supporters  bananas   Apr-16-11 11:49 PM   #18 
     - Same thing at Wounded Knee.  Zanzoobar   Apr-16-11 11:52 PM   #19 
     - Are you talking about Custer or the Native Americans?  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 07:01 AM   #78 
        - I think you're thinking of Little Big Horn  fishwax   Apr-17-11 11:07 AM   #100 
           - Yep. My mistake...  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 01:14 PM   #111 
     - You see the same thing with nuclear energy detractors.  boppers   Apr-17-11 12:47 AM   #30 
     - Good example of the twisted logic used by nuclear energy supporters.  bananas   Apr-17-11 01:22 AM   #35 
     - But...  CJvR   Apr-17-11 03:10 AM   #43 
     - The God of fission, however, isn't above a smiting every so often.  boppers   Apr-19-11 12:56 AM   #134 
     - Wow.  WatsonT   Apr-17-11 10:09 AM   #97 
  - I never call him anything but Vernon Howell, pedophile freak.  brewens   Apr-16-11 11:40 PM   #13 
  - Too bad that 13 year old, and many other children were incinerated in the FIRE.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-17-11 02:47 AM   #38 
  - That's assuming law enforcement started the fire.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 03:06 AM   #41 
  - Yeah, they were just innocently knocking down walls of civilians with their tanks...  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-17-11 03:49 AM   #51 
     - They used engineering tanks to puncture the outer walls to insert CS gas.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 04:00 AM   #52 
        - Propaganda.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-17-11 04:10 AM   #54 
           - My cross country coach for 4 years was a former reporter and was at Waco...  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 04:19 AM   #55 
           - Look man, something went wrong there. Something went terribly wrong.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-17-11 04:34 AM   #56 
           - You just defeated your entire argument...  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 04:41 AM   #57 
           - I watched the Waco hearings that were run by Republicans.  brewens   Apr-17-11 09:08 AM   #94 
           - The no WMD truth was found because people really pushed.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-18-11 01:02 PM   #126 
           - what went terribly wrong is you had a criminal that refused to turn himself in.  seabeyond   Apr-17-11 08:23 AM   #89 
           - I remember watching that on TV the whole time.  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 07:05 AM   #79 
           - LOL, Free Republic is over there, you can defend those Davidian wackos to your heart's content.  Odin2005   Apr-17-11 01:03 PM   #106 
              - IS there a place for Democrats who aren't schizophrenic?  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-18-11 01:04 PM   #127 
  - The fire was caused by the US government  Ter   Apr-17-11 11:27 AM   #102 
     - Prove It. (N/T)  Paladin   Apr-17-11 01:09 PM   #109 
     - I'm sure the Davidians soaking the place in kerosene  Nevernose   Apr-17-11 06:23 PM   #120 
  - That's what I call Mohammed, minus the "Vernon Powell."  WinkyDink   Apr-17-11 04:51 AM   #61 
     - Mohammed's message has been perverted in the centuries since his death.  YellowRubberDuckie   Apr-17-11 07:07 AM   #80 
  - Koresh wasn't God, but the federal government did murder a lot of people in Waco n/t  Rage for Order   Apr-16-11 11:42 PM   #14 
  - The government made Howells goons torch the building?  brewens   Apr-16-11 11:52 PM   #20 
  - And the FBI did not use any incendiary devices, either  Rage for Order   Apr-16-11 11:58 PM   #22 
     - that something is not a stretch ! = there is evidence for it.  Teaser   Apr-17-11 12:10 AM   #23 
     - The enitre site was bulldozed by authorities 2 weeks after the siege ended  Rage for Order   Apr-17-11 12:28 AM   #24 
        - Undermining credibility does not imply guilt.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 03:46 AM   #50 
           - People lie and destory evidence because...why, exactly?  Rage for Order   Apr-17-11 11:33 AM   #103 
     - If guns are also a pyrotechnic device, sure.  boppers   Apr-17-11 12:53 AM   #32 
     - Referring to those CS canisters as incendiary devices does not  brewens   Apr-17-11 01:14 AM   #34 
     - CS gas canisters are not incendiary devices.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 03:10 AM   #42 
  - They said the same thing about Jesus 2000yrs ago! LOL! nt.  SkyDaddy7   Apr-17-11 05:10 AM   #68 
  - And 2000 years later they're still right.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 05:13 AM   #70 
     - EXACTLY! nt.  SkyDaddy7   Apr-17-11 08:24 PM   #124 
  - I agree. The federal government does not like people living off the grid  conspirator   Apr-17-11 05:14 AM   #71 
  - Vernon Howell killed a lot of people. nt  seabeyond   Apr-17-11 08:25 AM   #91 
  - Oh, and I can so top this with another crazy cult believer .  white_wolf   Apr-16-11 11:53 PM   #21 
  - He hasn't come back has he?  Historic NY   Apr-17-11 12:29 AM   #25 
  - Now you've done it. Expect him in 72 hours.  Zanzoobar   Apr-17-11 12:38 AM   #27 
     - Oh crap.......  Historic NY   Apr-17-11 12:52 AM   #31 
  - Hmmm...maybe Nietzsche was right after all...  PurityOfEssence   Apr-17-11 12:47 AM   #29 
  - Impossible to make a comment on a truly IMPOSSIBLE/ILLOGICAL situation/premise. n/t  BillyJack   Apr-17-11 01:00 AM   #33 
  - What always cracks me up about Waco is the people who claim the D's messed it up but  mrcheerful   Apr-17-11 02:32 AM   #36 
  - Don't assume you know the truth about that nightmare.  astral   Apr-17-11 02:49 AM   #39 
  - Yeah right tell that to someone who didn't witness Kent State or the attack on the  mrcheerful   Apr-17-11 03:12 AM   #44 
  - ..." a communal lifestyle which pissed off the government." - Uh no. Stock piling weapons...  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 03:12 AM   #46 
     - Funny how 18 years later you find people on DU defending the Waco Whackos isn't it  mrcheerful   Apr-17-11 03:15 AM   #48 
        - I think every adult who was at the compound should be in prison.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 03:22 AM   #49 
  - You're totally wrong. This is what started the grass roots Tea Party.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-17-11 02:53 AM   #40 
  - ya... cause our govt should allow raping of children. that man has his rights. nt  seabeyond   Apr-17-11 08:30 AM   #93 
     - They weren't raided because of child rape.  Mariana   Apr-17-11 11:01 PM   #125 
  - You weren't the only one to watch it, you know. TV is only from certain angles.  WinkyDink   Apr-17-11 04:56 AM   #64 
  - i watched authorities do everything to ensure lives. and people pretend they didnt  seabeyond   Apr-17-11 08:28 AM   #92 
  - Does that make Janet Reno Supergod? nt  athenasatanjesus   Apr-17-11 03:12 AM   #45 
  - I'm apt to give parents of murdered children a break.  WinkyDink   Apr-17-11 04:49 AM   #58 
  - They would be alive if it weren't for the actions of their parents.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 04:50 AM   #59 
  - Right. Sure. The ATF knew Koresh's jogging routine; they could've arrested him at any time.  WinkyDink   Apr-17-11 04:54 AM   #63 
     - They attempted to serve warrants on the compound and it's occupants.  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 04:58 AM   #66 
        - "it was the Davidians who murdered many of the children with bullets and knives." Source?  Gravel Democrat   Apr-17-11 05:36 AM   #72 
           - Source? uh here you go...  Paradoxical   Apr-17-11 06:02 AM   #73 
  - Not if they had a hand in it.  WatsonT   Apr-17-11 10:10 AM   #98 
  - The True Power of Religion...  SkyDaddy7   Apr-17-11 04:58 AM   #65 
  - I can think of a damned good reason why  cali   Apr-17-11 05:04 AM   #67 
  - As my father said at the time...  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-17-11 05:13 AM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-17-11 07:38 AM   #85 
  - No use being pissed off. Koresh must've been schizophrenic. Lots of his followers were probably  franzia99   Apr-17-11 07:36 AM   #84 
  - There is no evidence cult members are mentally ill.  ZombieHorde   Apr-17-11 05:25 PM   #115 
  - "God is such an over-whelming responsibility"  kentuck   Apr-17-11 09:12 AM   #95 
  - can God create a responsibility that over-whelms even him?  Motown_Johnny   Apr-17-11 09:44 AM   #96 
     - Of course.  kentuck   Apr-17-11 12:07 PM   #104 
        - then wouldn't God be able to handle that responsibility?  Motown_Johnny   Apr-17-11 02:06 PM   #112 
  - Truly stupid people.  tabasco   Apr-17-11 10:14 AM   #99 
  - After 30 years of empirical evidence to the contrary,  bvar22   Apr-17-11 12:15 PM   #105 
  - Good God, WTF are people here doing defending the Koresh lunatics?  Odin2005   Apr-17-11 01:08 PM   #107 
  - i am wondering, too. i just asked hubby what he thought, cause i was surprised  seabeyond   Apr-17-11 05:30 PM   #116 
  - Beats me  Canuckistanian   Apr-17-11 05:35 PM   #117 
  - It was a clusterfuck all around.  Forkboy   Apr-17-11 06:23 PM   #121 
  - Well, hey, billions and billions through the years believed a bastard carpenter's son is God as well  MadHound   Apr-17-11 06:30 PM   #122 
  - Indeed. This is in no way more nuts than saying Jesus was the son of god.  howard112211   Apr-19-11 01:29 AM   #135 
  - If there was just 1 christian alive, we would all think he was crazy  snooper2   Apr-18-11 01:17 PM   #129 
 

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