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Fri Apr-15-11 10:44 AM
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You feel strongly about this. I applaud that. It's that type of strong feeling that hopefully sparks people to action to actually get things changed.
But do you honestly think that the time it took you to make 20 posts and replies, on this subject alone, in this thread alone, at least half of which were made to people WHO AGREE WITH YOU that this is wrong, were the best use of your time for actually getting this changed or anything done on the subject?
Did 2 people without law degrees, and presumably without even a fraction of the legal or financial means to get the supreme court to decide this case, and WHO BASICALLY AGREE arguing over that one aspect of it and agreeing on all else change a damn thing about this law or rule that you feel so strongly against? Or maybe would the time you spent on this on here have been better spent e-mailing Senators or Representatives or Governers, or making some donations to the ACLU, or writing up some petitions and getting people to sign them been a better use of your time?
That's my issue with what we've devolved into politcally.
Bad laws or rules do not equal unconstitutionality and internet debates to not equal civil or political action.
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| -Drug testing for welfare recipients. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 07:42 AM |
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They don't need to be tested it they don't want benefits. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 07:45 AM |
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So...submit to testing or die in the streets? nt |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 07:47 AM |
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They also have to submit other pieces of information to qualify. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 07:51 AM |
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Blood and urine are not "pieces of information" required to process paperwork. n/t |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 08:29 AM |
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How will the nation's biggest corporate person/ welfare recipient pass the pee test? |
RedCloud |
Apr-15-11 10:36 AM |
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I've never had to give a urine sample to cash a check, you seem to be saying you have. |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-11 08:49 PM |
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My paycheck is direct deposited. |
blueamy66 |
Apr-15-11 11:28 PM |
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Why should they be tested? |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 07:50 AM |
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I don't care either way but I acknowledge that there are conditions which must be met to qualify. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 07:53 AM |
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So you think its a good thing to add another "rule"? |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 07:57 AM |
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If society chooses not to aid those who use illegal drugs so be it. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 08:09 AM |
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"Society" being......? |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 08:18 AM |
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Well then let them vote the politicians out. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 08:46 AM |
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That's why I posted this. Hey, I'm not Gallup! nt |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 08:47 AM |
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I was googling and I didn't find any polls. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 09:03 AM |
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By that standard, anything that happens is OK with you |
EstimatedProphet |
Apr-15-11 11:28 AM |
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Oh come on! |
blueamy66 |
Apr-15-11 11:34 PM |
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Apr-15-11 07:58 AM |
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It isn't unconstitutional or illegal to drug test people. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 08:13 AM |
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Apr-15-11 08:16 AM |
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Eh boy. Right wing whatever. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 08:28 AM |
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Who appointed you head of the Morality Police? |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 08:31 AM |
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I did |
pintobean |
Apr-15-11 08:35 AM |
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Then you need to be tested immediately. |
Fuddnik |
Apr-15-11 09:36 AM |
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I get tested several times a year |
pintobean |
Apr-15-11 09:42 AM |
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Why do you need to be tested? Do you f*** up a lot. Several times a year? That's a lot of $$$$ |
devilgrrl |
Apr-15-11 08:31 PM |
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We have a consortium for the construction industry |
pintobean |
Apr-15-11 10:39 PM |
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When I joined the Navy I had to piss four times in two days. |
Sirveri |
Apr-16-11 01:40 AM |
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Lol. Been there |
pintobean |
Apr-16-11 07:08 AM |
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Uncalled for |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 08:36 AM |
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when you take a moralistic approach |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 08:37 AM |
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Never used an illegal drug ever. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 08:38 AM |
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What about legal drugs? |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 08:41 AM |
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If you want to talk morality I would hope welfare is a two way street. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 08:59 AM |
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"All this stuff about dignity for people on welfare" |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:05 AM |
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That is what I meant...being on welfare and bettering your life can bring dignity. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 09:15 AM |
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I don't see how using legal drugs is any different. nt |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:18 AM |
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Are you making the arguement |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 09:30 AM |
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Not much dignity in drunkenness either. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 09:31 AM |
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More than just embarrassing if a random drug test... |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:37 AM |
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I ended it because I was afraid to have kids with someone who could be arrested for a DUI |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 09:46 AM |
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"Destroy their lives" |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 09:08 AM |
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Can't you see that... |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 09:12 AM |
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It is still their choice. I believe in "Let he who is without sin..." |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 09:16 AM |
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You and the Republicans |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 09:55 AM |
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And people with alcohol and gambling problems spend their money the same way. |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 11:15 AM |
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Where does he say or imply "Screw the Kids!"? I don't see that, would you point it out? |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-11 08:52 PM |
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Maybe not |
BobbyBoring |
Apr-15-11 11:37 AM |
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And were you happy they did those things? |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 09:22 AM |
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I felt sorry about the way their lives went |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 09:27 AM |
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I can certainly agree with that statement... |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 09:32 AM |
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Re largesse |
SOS |
Apr-15-11 09:52 AM |
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Geez well maybe that explains what happened. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 09:55 AM |
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It's either all or none |
SOS |
Apr-16-11 11:59 AM |
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I didn't say just drugs. |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 08:41 AM |
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If I accidentally drove over the speed limit it wasn't intentional. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 09:10 AM |
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What would you do with laws made against your 'type'? |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-15-11 09:38 AM |
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Rules are rules. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:40 AM |
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But that poster has no response. This is how we know the |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-15-11 09:49 AM |
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If the rules are bad then change them. |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 10:05 AM |
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Got to get you in the Olympics |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 10:12 AM |
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Established by whom? n/t |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 10:21 AM |
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Aren't you special... that must mean that you're superior and will never die! |
devilgrrl |
Apr-15-11 11:24 PM |
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Unlike those poor people. Really, they're like animals. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 11:58 PM |
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Bully for you! |
Gemini Cat |
Apr-16-11 01:29 AM |
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Not the point |
leftynyc |
Apr-15-11 09:32 AM |
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Some of mine was in a way. |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 09:35 AM |
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what about alcohol? |
anneboleyn |
Apr-15-11 09:03 PM |
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Actually, it IS unconstitutional. The ACLU has WON judgements on this! |
bobbolink |
Apr-15-11 05:54 PM |
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some rules are stoopid rules. |
Fuddnik |
Apr-15-11 09:33 AM |
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At the very basic level of humanity, people need shelter, food, and clothing. |
Skidmore |
Apr-15-11 10:45 AM |
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+1 |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 10:48 AM |
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I agree 200% |
BobbyBoring |
Apr-15-11 11:47 AM |
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And...think it through...what do you propose they do if they test "positive?" |
JanMichael |
Apr-15-11 08:29 AM |
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Drug testing for poor people makes sense |
think |
Apr-15-11 08:35 AM |
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They could be eating donuts and shit like that. We should test for sugar levels as well. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 08:49 AM |
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Don't forget television, cigarettes, and sex |
think |
Apr-15-11 08:54 AM |
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They should DEFINITELY not be having SEX!!! |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 08:58 AM |
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OK we'll let them have TV |
think |
Apr-15-11 09:05 AM |
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Don't let them smile or worse, laugh. |
Gemini Cat |
Apr-16-11 01:14 AM |
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is there a test |
left is right |
Apr-15-11 09:11 AM |
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Only if their watching |
think |
Apr-15-11 09:13 AM |
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it's shit like this that |
Amaya |
Apr-15-11 09:30 AM |
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And Social Security too? And UE benefits? |
LanternWaste |
Apr-15-11 11:19 AM |
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You don't have an issue that tax dollars fund the tests? |
devilgrrl |
Apr-15-11 08:32 PM |
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Yeah, same goes for their kids...right? n/t |
cynatnite |
Apr-15-11 08:54 PM |
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I'm torn.... |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 07:49 AM |
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Think false positves without recourse. |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 07:55 AM |
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Good point. Hadn't thought of that.... |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 07:58 AM |
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Well there should be a recourse |
dkf |
Apr-15-11 08:21 AM |
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Unfortunately there is no recourse in that system. |
hobbit709 |
Apr-15-11 08:33 AM |
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I would argue that a person who can afford cigarettes may not need our help. |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-11 08:57 PM |
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it's a "choice" to get welfare... right... |
eShirl |
Apr-15-11 08:52 AM |
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In terms of the 4th amendement it is..... |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 09:11 AM |
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And if drug testing was a requirement for a driver's license, that would be OK too? |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:17 AM |
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It's 2 different questions.... |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 09:25 AM |
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Why should the government be allowed to search people's fluids without probable cause? |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:35 AM |
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Why not read message number 66? |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 10:17 AM |
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Well stated... |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 09:27 AM |
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Where's the "probable cause" that would allow a search of blood & fluids? nt |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:25 AM |
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It's not the police testing them..... |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 09:28 AM |
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So it only applies to "police", not "government agents"? |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:29 AM |
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That is a different question...... |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 09:34 AM |
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The difference is the GOVERNMENT is doing the testing, not private employers. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 09:38 AM |
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Fine. You're obviously a constitutional law scholar.... |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 10:03 AM |
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I said GOOD DAY, sir! |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 10:11 AM |
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Ok but you are shutting yourself off to debate... |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 10:26 AM |
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And you are oblivious to mockery. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 10:28 AM |
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I don't have a problem with different opions. |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 10:27 AM |
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People are forced to apply for welfare if there are no jobs. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 10:29 AM |
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O.K. then. |
vi5 |
Apr-15-11 10:44 AM |
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Thank you for your concern about my use of my time. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 10:47 AM |
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I never thought I'd see the day when this kind of poll would be held at DU. nt |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-15-11 07:52 AM |
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Me neither...but you can see..some Democrats think this is A-OK! |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 07:55 AM |
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I can see that some posters here think that. |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-15-11 08:20 AM |
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It's a big tent.... |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 08:29 AM |
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Time to shrink the tent some then. Certain attitudes should not be tolerated in the Democratic Party |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-15-11 09:00 AM |
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No, it is not that big a tent, sorry. |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-15-11 09:11 AM |
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If your opinion is so pure |
pintobean |
Apr-15-11 09:21 AM |
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Project much? I just said my opinion was my own and that I see |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-15-11 09:44 AM |
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Is that what passes for reasoning |
pintobean |
Apr-15-11 09:57 AM |
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Only when you cut a hole in it and sneak in the back door like a thug. |
Dappleganger |
Apr-15-11 10:47 AM |
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the problem with the big tent is that sometimes vermin sneak in under the flaps |
frylock |
Apr-15-11 10:48 AM |
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And then they pee INSIDE the tent. |
PassingFair |
Apr-16-11 04:12 PM |
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welcome to the NU-DU.. |
frylock |
Apr-15-11 10:47 AM |
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I don't vote in push polls |
pintobean |
Apr-15-11 07:55 AM |
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What kind of drugs were those fucking bankers on? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-15-11 08:03 AM |
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+1 |
SammyWinstonJack |
Apr-15-11 08:11 AM |
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Since drug abuse occurs in similar percentages |
My Good Babushka |
Apr-15-11 08:12 AM |
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Maybe, IF, Congress, the Senate, the SC, |
Le Taz Hot |
Apr-15-11 08:13 AM |
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where's the button for drug testing elected representatives? |
Donnachaidh |
Apr-15-11 08:13 AM |
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+1 |
think |
Apr-15-11 08:30 AM |
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Beefed up, it doesn't go far enough |
quinnox |
Apr-15-11 08:19 AM |
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Let's drug test politicians and bankers instead |
think |
Apr-15-11 08:25 AM |
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Thank you. Welcome to DU, think. n/t |
Mnemosyne |
Apr-16-11 12:44 AM |
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Shoddy polling question |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 08:28 AM |
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Who cares if it's for their "own good"? It shouldn't be asked for in the first place! |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 08:37 AM |
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My point is... |
GKirk |
Apr-15-11 08:55 AM |
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Drug testing for the T-baggers because of their crazy actions would be more appropriate. |
RC |
Apr-15-11 08:28 AM |
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Either that, or mental health evaluations n/t |
quinnox |
Apr-15-11 08:30 AM |
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What a waste of money. Deny Planned Parenthood funds for women and children... |
peace13 |
Apr-15-11 08:45 AM |
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I thought those teabaggers wanted government OUT of our lives. But they want this. |
jillan |
Apr-15-11 08:48 AM |
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Well they can start with Congress, then the Senate |
walldude |
Apr-15-11 08:51 AM |
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Politicians should be subjected to a lie detector |
think |
Apr-15-11 08:57 AM |
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What all constitutes "welfare" in your opinion? Farm and oil subsidies, bank bailouts, corporate |
Erose999 |
Apr-15-11 09:07 AM |
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unacceptable |
left is right |
Apr-15-11 09:07 AM |
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Only if they test EVERYONE that receives public funds. (nt) |
ehrnst |
Apr-15-11 09:12 AM |
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If I can live without drugs everyone else can... |
ileus |
Apr-15-11 10:49 AM |
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NO! |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Apr-15-11 10:56 AM |
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A person has to jump through enough hoops already to qualify for assistance. |
Arkansas Granny |
Apr-15-11 10:59 AM |
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This is a monumentally stupid idea |
EstimatedProphet |
Apr-15-11 11:21 AM |
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Point of the decade, EP! Here in PA it was about $350 a month for a woman with two children. |
Mnemosyne |
Apr-16-11 01:18 AM |
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It's just one more way to attempt cutting off welfare from needy people |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Apr-15-11 11:28 AM |
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I love threads like this - |
Morning Dew |
Apr-15-11 11:50 AM |
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Kick...because 11 percent is an odd number. |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 05:49 PM |
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Not unless the polticians are tested DAILY. |
GoCubsGo |
Apr-15-11 05:58 PM |
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Proud to be the 100th vote for Unacceptable! |
KamaAina |
Apr-15-11 06:00 PM |
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Thank you, 106 people (not counting my vote). |
Lyric |
Apr-15-11 06:47 PM |
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Thank YOU! |
PassingFair |
Apr-15-11 07:51 PM |
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wow. some DUers are voting yes. sad |
Liberal_in_LA |
Apr-15-11 08:13 PM |
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on the fence |
yeswecanandwedid |
Apr-15-11 08:28 PM |
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Keep dehumanizing the poor. |
woo me with science |
Apr-15-11 08:47 PM |
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+100000 |
uppityperson |
Apr-15-11 09:00 PM |
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EXCELLENT POST. Best I have read today. This evil attitude towards the poor |
anneboleyn |
Apr-15-11 09:16 PM |
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I voted no, and the lawmakers who propoe this shit should |
tnlefty |
Apr-15-11 10:49 PM |
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I am for it.... |
and-justice-for-all |
Apr-15-11 11:04 PM |
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I'd love to see the management of GE take a blood test to get welfare money |
krispos42 |
Apr-16-11 01:37 AM |
#162 |