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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:13 AM
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19. It isn't unconstitutional or illegal to drug test people.
Using drugs is a choice as is applying for welfare benefits.

Do I like that we need to be frisked nowadays to get on a plane? Not really but if that is what it takes then whatever.
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  -Drug testing for welfare recipients. PassingFair  Apr-15-11 07:42 AM   #0 
  - They don't need to be tested it they don't want benefits.  dkf   Apr-15-11 07:45 AM   #1 
  - So...submit to testing or die in the streets? nt  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 07:47 AM   #2 
  - They also have to submit other pieces of information to qualify.  dkf   Apr-15-11 07:51 AM   #5 
     - Blood and urine are not "pieces of information" required to process paperwork. n/t  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 08:29 AM   #30 
     - How will the nation's biggest corporate person/ welfare recipient pass the pee test?  RedCloud   Apr-15-11 10:36 AM   #115 
     - I've never had to give a urine sample to cash a check, you seem to be saying you have.  uppityperson   Apr-15-11 08:49 PM   #144 
        - My paycheck is direct deposited.  blueamy66   Apr-15-11 11:28 PM   #155 
  - Why should they be tested?  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 07:50 AM   #4 
  - I don't care either way but I acknowledge that there are conditions which must be met to qualify.  dkf   Apr-15-11 07:53 AM   #7 
     - So you think its a good thing to add another "rule"?  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 07:57 AM   #11 
     - If society chooses not to aid those who use illegal drugs so be it.  dkf   Apr-15-11 08:09 AM   #15 
        - "Society" being......?  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 08:18 AM   #22 
        - Well then let them vote the politicians out.  dkf   Apr-15-11 08:46 AM   #46 
           - That's why I posted this. Hey, I'm not Gallup! nt  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 08:47 AM   #47 
              - I was googling and I didn't find any polls.  dkf   Apr-15-11 09:03 AM   #58 
        - By that standard, anything that happens is OK with you  EstimatedProphet   Apr-15-11 11:28 AM   # 
           - Oh come on!  blueamy66   Apr-15-11 11:34 PM   #156 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-15-11 07:58 AM   #12 
     - It isn't unconstitutional or illegal to drug test people.  dkf   Apr-15-11 08:13 AM   #19 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-15-11 08:16 AM   #21 
        - Eh boy. Right wing whatever.  dkf   Apr-15-11 08:28 AM   #27 
           - Who appointed you head of the Morality Police?  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 08:31 AM   #35 
           - I did  pintobean   Apr-15-11 08:35 AM   #37 
           - Then you need to be tested immediately.  Fuddnik   Apr-15-11 09:36 AM   #92 
              - I get tested several times a year  pintobean   Apr-15-11 09:42 AM   #97 
                 - Why do you need to be tested? Do you f*** up a lot. Several times a year? That's a lot of $$$$  devilgrrl   Apr-15-11 08:31 PM   #141 
                    - We have a consortium for the construction industry  pintobean   Apr-15-11 10:39 PM   #151 
                       - When I joined the Navy I had to piss four times in two days.  Sirveri   Apr-16-11 01:40 AM   #163 
                          - Lol. Been there  pintobean   Apr-16-11 07:08 AM   #164 
           - Uncalled for  GKirk   Apr-15-11 08:36 AM   #39 
           - when you take a moralistic approach  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 08:37 AM   #40 
           - Never used an illegal drug ever.  dkf   Apr-15-11 08:38 AM   #42 
           - What about legal drugs?  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 08:41 AM   #43 
           - If you want to talk morality I would hope welfare is a two way street.  dkf   Apr-15-11 08:59 AM   #56 
              - "All this stuff about dignity for people on welfare"  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:05 AM   #59 
              - That is what I meant...being on welfare and bettering your life can bring dignity.  dkf   Apr-15-11 09:15 AM   #71 
                 - I don't see how using legal drugs is any different. nt  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:18 AM   #74 
                    - Are you making the arguement  GKirk   Apr-15-11 09:30 AM   #83 
                    - Not much dignity in drunkenness either.  dkf   Apr-15-11 09:31 AM   #85 
                       - More than just embarrassing if a random drug test...  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:37 AM   #93 
                          - I ended it because I was afraid to have kids with someone who could be arrested for a DUI  dkf   Apr-15-11 09:46 AM   #99 
              - "Destroy their lives"  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 09:08 AM   #63 
              - Can't you see that...  GKirk   Apr-15-11 09:12 AM   #69 
              - It is still their choice. I believe in "Let he who is without sin..."  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 09:16 AM   #72 
                 - You and the Republicans  GKirk   Apr-15-11 09:55 AM   #102 
                 - And people with alcohol and gambling problems spend their money the same way.  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 11:15 AM   #126 
                 - Where does he say or imply "Screw the Kids!"? I don't see that, would you point it out?  uppityperson   Apr-15-11 08:52 PM   #145 
                 - Maybe not  BobbyBoring   Apr-15-11 11:37 AM   #130 
              - And were you happy they did those things?  dkf   Apr-15-11 09:22 AM   #76 
                 - I felt sorry about the way their lives went  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 09:27 AM   #80 
                    - I can certainly agree with that statement...  GKirk   Apr-15-11 09:32 AM   #87 
              - Re largesse  SOS   Apr-15-11 09:52 AM   #101 
                 - Geez well maybe that explains what happened.  dkf   Apr-15-11 09:55 AM   #103 
                    - It's either all or none  SOS   Apr-16-11 11:59 AM   #165 
           - I didn't say just drugs.  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 08:41 AM   #44 
           - If I accidentally drove over the speed limit it wasn't intentional.  dkf   Apr-15-11 09:10 AM   #64 
              - What would you do with laws made against your 'type'?  Bluenorthwest   Apr-15-11 09:38 AM   #94 
                 - Rules are rules.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:40 AM   #96 
                 - But that poster has no response. This is how we know the  Bluenorthwest   Apr-15-11 09:49 AM   #100 
                 - If the rules are bad then change them.  dkf   Apr-15-11 10:05 AM   #106 
                 - Got to get you in the Olympics  GKirk   Apr-15-11 10:12 AM   #108 
                    - Established by whom? n/t  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 10:21 AM   #110 
           - Aren't you special... that must mean that you're superior and will never die!  devilgrrl   Apr-15-11 11:24 PM   #154 
           - Unlike those poor people. Really, they're like animals.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 11:58 PM   #157 
           - Bully for you!  Gemini Cat   Apr-16-11 01:29 AM   #161 
           - Not the point  leftynyc   Apr-15-11 09:32 AM   #86 
              - Some of mine was in a way.  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 09:35 AM   #91 
           - what about alcohol?  anneboleyn   Apr-15-11 09:03 PM   #149 
        - Actually, it IS unconstitutional. The ACLU has WON judgements on this!  bobbolink   Apr-15-11 05:54 PM   #134 
     - some rules are stoopid rules.  Fuddnik   Apr-15-11 09:33 AM   #88 
     - At the very basic level of humanity, people need shelter, food, and clothing.  Skidmore   Apr-15-11 10:45 AM   #117 
        - +1  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 10:48 AM   #122 
        - I agree 200%  BobbyBoring   Apr-15-11 11:47 AM   #131 
  - And...think it through...what do you propose they do if they test "positive?"  JanMichael   Apr-15-11 08:29 AM   #31 
  - Drug testing for poor people makes sense  think   Apr-15-11 08:35 AM   #38 
  - They could be eating donuts and shit like that. We should test for sugar levels as well.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 08:49 AM   #49 
     - Don't forget television, cigarettes, and sex  think   Apr-15-11 08:54 AM   #52 
        - They should DEFINITELY not be having SEX!!!  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 08:58 AM   #55 
        - OK we'll let them have TV  think   Apr-15-11 09:05 AM   #60 
        - Don't let them smile or worse, laugh.  Gemini Cat   Apr-16-11 01:14 AM   #159 
        - is there a test  left is right   Apr-15-11 09:11 AM   #67 
           - Only if their watching  think   Apr-15-11 09:13 AM   #70 
  - it's shit like this that  Amaya   Apr-15-11 09:30 AM   #84 
  - And Social Security too? And UE benefits?  LanternWaste   Apr-15-11 11:19 AM   #127 
  - You don't have an issue that tax dollars fund the tests?  devilgrrl   Apr-15-11 08:32 PM   #142 
  - Yeah, same goes for their kids...right? n/t  cynatnite   Apr-15-11 08:54 PM   #146 
  - I'm torn....  vi5   Apr-15-11 07:49 AM   #3 
  - Think false positves without recourse.  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 07:55 AM   #10 
  - Good point. Hadn't thought of that....  vi5   Apr-15-11 07:58 AM   #13 
  - Well there should be a recourse  dkf   Apr-15-11 08:21 AM   #25 
     - Unfortunately there is no recourse in that system.  hobbit709   Apr-15-11 08:33 AM   #36 
     - I would argue that a person who can afford cigarettes may not need our help.  uppityperson   Apr-15-11 08:57 PM   #147 
  - it's a "choice" to get welfare... right...  eShirl   Apr-15-11 08:52 AM   #51 
  - In terms of the 4th amendement it is.....  vi5   Apr-15-11 09:11 AM   #66 
     - And if drug testing was a requirement for a driver's license, that would be OK too?  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:17 AM   #73 
     - It's 2 different questions....  vi5   Apr-15-11 09:25 AM   #78 
     - Why should the government be allowed to search people's fluids without probable cause?  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:35 AM   #90 
     - Why not read message number 66?  GKirk   Apr-15-11 10:17 AM   #109 
     - Well stated...  GKirk   Apr-15-11 09:27 AM   #79 
  - Where's the "probable cause" that would allow a search of blood & fluids? nt  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:25 AM   #77 
     - It's not the police testing them.....  vi5   Apr-15-11 09:28 AM   #81 
        - So it only applies to "police", not "government agents"?  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:29 AM   #82 
           - That is a different question......  vi5   Apr-15-11 09:34 AM   #89 
              - The difference is the GOVERNMENT is doing the testing, not private employers.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 09:38 AM   #95 
                 - Fine. You're obviously a constitutional law scholar....  vi5   Apr-15-11 10:03 AM   #105 
                    - I said GOOD DAY, sir!  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 10:11 AM   #107 
                       - Ok but you are shutting yourself off to debate...  GKirk   Apr-15-11 10:26 AM   #111 
                       - And you are oblivious to mockery.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 10:28 AM   #113 
                       - I don't have a problem with different opions.  vi5   Apr-15-11 10:27 AM   #112 
                          - People are forced to apply for welfare if there are no jobs.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 10:29 AM   #114 
                             - O.K. then.  vi5   Apr-15-11 10:44 AM   #116 
                                - Thank you for your concern about my use of my time.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 10:47 AM   #118 
  - I never thought I'd see the day when this kind of poll would be held at DU. nt  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-15-11 07:52 AM   #6 
  - Me neither...but you can see..some Democrats think this is A-OK!  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 07:55 AM   #9 
  - I can see that some posters here think that.  Bluenorthwest   Apr-15-11 08:20 AM   #24 
     - It's a big tent....  GKirk   Apr-15-11 08:29 AM   #32 
        - Time to shrink the tent some then. Certain attitudes should not be tolerated in the Democratic Party  NorthCarolina   Apr-15-11 09:00 AM   #57 
        - No, it is not that big a tent, sorry.  Bluenorthwest   Apr-15-11 09:11 AM   #65 
        - If your opinion is so pure  pintobean   Apr-15-11 09:21 AM   #75 
           - Project much? I just said my opinion was my own and that I see  Bluenorthwest   Apr-15-11 09:44 AM   #98 
              - Is that what passes for reasoning  pintobean   Apr-15-11 09:57 AM   #104 
        - Only when you cut a hole in it and sneak in the back door like a thug.  Dappleganger   Apr-15-11 10:47 AM   #119 
        - the problem with the big tent is that sometimes vermin sneak in under the flaps  frylock   Apr-15-11 10:48 AM   #121 
           - And then they pee INSIDE the tent.  PassingFair   Apr-16-11 04:12 PM   #166 
  - welcome to the NU-DU..  frylock   Apr-15-11 10:47 AM   #120 
  - I don't vote in push polls  pintobean   Apr-15-11 07:55 AM   #8 
  - What kind of drugs were those fucking bankers on? nt  rrneck   Apr-15-11 08:03 AM   #14 
  - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Apr-15-11 08:11 AM   #16 
  - Since drug abuse occurs in similar percentages  My Good Babushka   Apr-15-11 08:12 AM   #17 
  - Maybe, IF, Congress, the Senate, the SC,  Le Taz Hot   Apr-15-11 08:13 AM   #18 
  - where's the button for drug testing elected representatives?  Donnachaidh   Apr-15-11 08:13 AM   #20 
  - +1  think   Apr-15-11 08:30 AM   #34 
  - Beefed up, it doesn't go far enough  quinnox   Apr-15-11 08:19 AM   #23 
  - Let's drug test politicians and bankers instead  think   Apr-15-11 08:25 AM   #26 
  - Thank you. Welcome to DU, think. n/t  Mnemosyne   Apr-16-11 12:44 AM   #158 
  - Shoddy polling question  GKirk   Apr-15-11 08:28 AM   #28 
  - Who cares if it's for their "own good"? It shouldn't be asked for in the first place!  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 08:37 AM   #41 
     - My point is...  GKirk   Apr-15-11 08:55 AM   #53 
  - Drug testing for the T-baggers because of their crazy actions would be more appropriate.  RC   Apr-15-11 08:28 AM   #29 
  - Either that, or mental health evaluations n/t  quinnox   Apr-15-11 08:30 AM   #33 
  - What a waste of money. Deny Planned Parenthood funds for women and children...  peace13   Apr-15-11 08:45 AM   #45 
  - I thought those teabaggers wanted government OUT of our lives. But they want this.  jillan   Apr-15-11 08:48 AM   #48 
  - Well they can start with Congress, then the Senate  walldude   Apr-15-11 08:51 AM   #50 
  - Politicians should be subjected to a lie detector  think   Apr-15-11 08:57 AM   #54 
  - What all constitutes "welfare" in your opinion? Farm and oil subsidies, bank bailouts, corporate  Erose999   Apr-15-11 09:07 AM   #61 
  - unacceptable  left is right   Apr-15-11 09:07 AM   #62 
  - Only if they test EVERYONE that receives public funds. (nt)  ehrnst   Apr-15-11 09:12 AM   #68 
  - If I can live without drugs everyone else can...  ileus   Apr-15-11 10:49 AM   #123 
  - NO!  Proud Liberal Dem   Apr-15-11 10:56 AM   #124 
  - A person has to jump through enough hoops already to qualify for assistance.  Arkansas Granny   Apr-15-11 10:59 AM   #125 
  - This is a monumentally stupid idea  EstimatedProphet   Apr-15-11 11:21 AM   #128 
  - Point of the decade, EP! Here in PA it was about $350 a month for a woman with two children.  Mnemosyne   Apr-16-11 01:18 AM   #160 
  - It's just one more way to attempt cutting off welfare from needy people  Lone_Star_Dem   Apr-15-11 11:28 AM   #129 
  - I love threads like this -  Morning Dew   Apr-15-11 11:50 AM   #132 
  - Kick...because 11 percent is an odd number.  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 05:49 PM   #133 
  - Not unless the polticians are tested DAILY.  GoCubsGo   Apr-15-11 05:58 PM   #135 
  - Proud to be the 100th vote for Unacceptable!  KamaAina   Apr-15-11 06:00 PM   #136 
  - Thank you, 106 people (not counting my vote).  Lyric   Apr-15-11 06:47 PM   #137 
  - Thank YOU!  PassingFair   Apr-15-11 07:51 PM   #138 
  - wow. some DUers are voting yes. sad  Liberal_in_LA   Apr-15-11 08:13 PM   #139 
  - on the fence  yeswecanandwedid   Apr-15-11 08:28 PM   #140 
  - Keep dehumanizing the poor.  woo me with science   Apr-15-11 08:47 PM   #143 
  - +100000  uppityperson   Apr-15-11 09:00 PM   #148 
  - EXCELLENT POST. Best I have read today. This evil attitude towards the poor  anneboleyn   Apr-15-11 09:16 PM   #150 
  - I voted no, and the lawmakers who propoe this shit should  tnlefty   Apr-15-11 10:49 PM   #152 
  - I am for it....  and-justice-for-all   Apr-15-11 11:04 PM   #153 
  - I'd love to see the management of GE take a blood test to get welfare money  krispos42   Apr-16-11 01:37 AM   #162 
 

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