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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 12:18 PM
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22. yes. i do. i see that all they are doing does not protect, infringes on constitutional rights
and those that support this policy allow fear to override good sense and character to honor our rights as citizens per our constitution.

all the other countries who have a much worse history than u.s. do not have these policies in place.

and you are more than welcome to think whatever you want about people that dont capitalize
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  -I applaud the TSA. trumad  Apr-13-11 11:50 AM   #0 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Apr-13-11 11:51 AM   #1 
  - I always feel bad for them -- it is a shitty job. n/t  driver8   Apr-13-11 11:53 AM   #2 
  - I only flown once since 9/11 and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be  TNLib   Apr-13-11 06:37 PM   #89 
  - Yeah, watch them publicly molest a 6-year old and then get back to us..  truebrit71   Apr-13-11 11:53 AM   #3 
  - I've watched it  trumad   Apr-13-11 12:02 PM   #11 
     - the tricky part is  ecstatic   Apr-13-11 12:09 PM   #17 
     - I'm sorry but that is pure bollocks...  truebrit71   Apr-13-11 12:51 PM   #29 
        - There are steps that aren't being taken  ecstatic   Apr-13-11 02:56 PM   #48 
        - Oh, trust me, they check luggage -  blueamy66   Apr-14-11 03:48 AM   #129 
        - That's my problem with them  Yupster   Apr-13-11 09:01 PM   #108 
     - There are problems at some nuclear power plants in Japan that need to be fixed also...  LanternWaste   Apr-13-11 03:31 PM   #56 
  - Sadly, I can not agree.  hlthe2b   Apr-13-11 11:53 AM   #4 
  - I applaud concentration camp guards  notesdev   Apr-13-11 11:54 AM   #5 
  - LMAO...good folks doin' a shitty job they are!*  didact   Apr-13-11 08:18 PM   #105 
  - I don't blame TSA workers for our government's failure to address the root causes of  BridgeTheGap   Apr-13-11 11:54 AM   #6 
  - +1  leftstreet   Apr-13-11 11:55 AM   #9 
  - Word. We know TSA people at the airport don't make policy.  KeepItReal   Apr-13-11 12:09 PM   #19 
  - They can be held responsible for the manner in which they  hlthe2b   Apr-13-11 12:13 PM   #20 
  - Just like the military in war zones, i.e. "kill teams". I'm not convinced the TSA body scanners are  BridgeTheGap   Apr-15-11 07:11 AM   #132 
  - Great post. nt  Union Scribe   Apr-13-11 05:16 PM   #79 
  - What's the name of the fallacy where you equate an agency with its low-wage workers, as though they  JackRiddler   Apr-13-11 11:55 AM   #7 
  - Hey---just an observation from a guy who passes the screeners daily...  trumad   Apr-13-11 12:04 PM   #12 
     - IOWA chime in from one of the fearful, praising BS measures meant to make you feel good...  LooseWilly   Apr-14-11 03:36 AM   #128 
  - I have no problems with the TSA personnel.  ParkieDem   Apr-13-11 11:55 AM   #8 
  - That is policy from knuckleheads up above....  trumad   Apr-13-11 12:07 PM   #15 
  - Troublemaker  WilliamPitt   Apr-13-11 12:01 PM   #10 
  - He's getting TSA kickbacks, isn't he...  hlthe2b   Apr-13-11 12:04 PM   #13 
  - Sorry I didn't make it to your Truthout thingy the other night...  trumad   Apr-13-11 12:05 PM   #14 
     - The 10th wonder  WilliamPitt   Apr-13-11 12:27 PM   #26 
  - i have an issue with the WHOLE policy and think people that feel safer are cowards....  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 12:07 PM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-11 12:09 PM   #18 
  - yes. i do. i see that all they are doing does not protect, infringes on constitutional rights  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 12:18 PM   #22 
  - Couldn't agree more with you n/t  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 08:27 PM   #107 
  - If you need a quasi-police state to feel safe  Union Scribe   Apr-13-11 05:13 PM   #76 
  - OK, two identical planes on the same airline, flying to the same destination  Ikonoklast   Apr-13-11 01:28 PM   #33 
  - plane one side, a simple metal detector? or one with porno scan and grope...?  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 01:54 PM   #36 
  - No, no scan, no grope, no nothing. You can walk right on with a boarding pass.  Ikonoklast   Apr-13-11 02:02 PM   #38 
     - i would go on the nothing plane. but your argument does not hold. doesnt have to be all or nothing  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 02:09 PM   #39 
        - But would you feel 'safer', is the question.  Ikonoklast   Apr-13-11 02:18 PM   #43 
           - no. i truly would not feel safer. honest  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 02:23 PM   #44 
           - Do you think the measures used do actually discourage any hijacking attempts?  Ikonoklast   Apr-13-11 02:36 PM   #46 
              - it is not often at all that someone hijacks a plane out of all the planes that are.  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 03:06 PM   #51 
           - I would "feel" safer, but I wouldn't be any safer than if I drove the speed limit vs going 5-10 over  Hippo_Tron   Apr-13-11 07:26 PM   #98 
  - I would feel safer on the plane that was not subjected to  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 03:08 PM   #52 
     - you make a point. so small dont even think about it. tsa has accomplished allowing everyone to  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 03:10 PM   #53 
     - Checkpoint security is one of several...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 05:18 PM   #80 
     - Groping of women and children and naked scanners  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 06:33 PM   #87 
        - Federal courts disagree with you n/t  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 06:35 PM   #88 
           - I am aware that lots of lawsuits have been filed by passengers  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 06:52 PM   #90 
              - Courts have ruled on security checkpoints numerous times...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 06:56 PM   #91 
                 - Maybe you should wait for the courts to rule on the specific  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 07:07 PM   #94 
                    - Do you admit that security checkpoints do not...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 07:13 PM   #96 
                       - That depends.  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 07:37 PM   #100 
                          - Name one....  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 07:43 PM   #101 
                             - Michigan V Sitz  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 08:08 PM   #103 
                                - Another swing and a miss...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 09:24 PM   #111 
                                   - You are the one claiming there are no violations of the 4th  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 10:04 PM   #115 
                                      - Show me one that did...n/t  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 10:07 PM   #117 
                                         - You show me one.  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 10:36 PM   #120 
                                            - Sabrina...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 10:45 PM   #121 
                                               - And I am stating my opinion. An opinion shared by  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 11:25 PM   #124 
                                               - Great....  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 11:30 PM   #125 
     - Are you comfortable with the Federal Government putting limits on firearm ownership?  Ikonoklast   Apr-13-11 06:03 PM   #86 
        - What does that have to do with this topic?  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 07:27 PM   #99 
  - For once, I agree wholeheartedly with you!  TransitJohn   Apr-13-11 07:46 PM   #102 
     - isnt it always a hoot  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 08:14 PM   #104 
  - Of course the TSA is needed...  MattSh   Apr-13-11 12:15 PM   #21 
  - have the TSA actually ever stopped anything? found anything?  IcyPeas   Apr-13-11 12:21 PM   #23 
  - Yes they have caught a number of criminals  notesdev   Apr-13-11 12:26 PM   #24 
  - Well, I've been in line when they found a gun in a guys bag  FLPanhandle   Apr-13-11 02:13 PM   #40 
  - Don't need TSA for that. That's just normal pre-9/11 scrutiny. Terrorism didn't begin then, ya know.  WinkyDink   Apr-15-11 07:17 AM   #134 
  - I think they apprehended some iPods and other dangerous items  Union Scribe   Apr-13-11 05:14 PM   #77 
  - There's a good reason it's a "thankless" job  WatsonT   Apr-13-11 12:27 PM   #25 
  - Many TSA employees are wannabe cops who just *love* putting that uniform on every day  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 12:32 PM   #27 
  - And then they hit the "Airplane Bar" after they clock out  blueamy66   Apr-14-11 04:00 AM   #130 
  - Depends.  bvar22   Apr-13-11 12:51 PM   #28 
  - If you disagree with this other OP...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-11 12:56 PM   #30 
  - Your decent expierience may have something to do with your flight status.  Tracer   Apr-13-11 01:04 PM   #31 
  - Nope---same security as everyone.  trumad   Apr-13-11 05:51 PM   #84 
  - No, they're not bad people. However, as long as cargo is loaded on planes without any type of  sinkingfeeling   Apr-13-11 01:13 PM   #32 
  - The TSA are nothing more than incompetent asshats...  rexcat   Apr-13-11 01:45 PM   #34 
  - There are exceptions to 4th amendment rights...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 01:56 PM   #37 
     - When they endanger the health of people as they are doing now...  rexcat   Apr-14-11 10:25 AM   #131 
  - I just don't get the phony outrage  Ratty   Apr-13-11 01:53 PM   #35 
  - Seriously? A 6 year old girl, returning with her family from vacation, might be carrying weapons?  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 02:34 PM   #45 
  - So...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 02:49 PM   #47 
  - A child traveling with their family has never been used to smuggle explosives onto a plane.  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 04:09 PM   #58 
  - How do you know they...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 04:10 PM   #59 
     - how do they know, something is not up someones ass? do they glove and explore?  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 04:18 PM   #61 
     - They already do this when they suspect that someone has drugs up their ass.  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 04:21 PM   #63 
        - not the point. how much do they suspect that 6 yr old? none. nada. not even kinda. BUT  seabeyond   Apr-13-11 05:10 PM   #73 
     - Come on, do I really need to spell this out?  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 04:19 PM   #62 
        - You're making an either-or argument...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 04:25 PM   #64 
        - As I have said, the TSA has limited resources and cannot pat down everyone.  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 04:29 PM   #65 
           - You're assuming none of those...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 04:36 PM   #66 
              - I firmly believe that if the TSA made it their policy to exempt from enhanced pat-downs all minors  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 04:42 PM   #68 
                 - Well...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 04:43 PM   #69 
                    - You should consider working for the TSA.  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 05:05 PM   #71 
                       - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 05:08 PM   #72 
                          - I heartily agree.  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 05:11 PM   #74 
                             - I've watched the video...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 05:12 PM   #75 
                                - You're in a small minority,  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 05:25 PM   #82 
                                   - So what?  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 05:44 PM   #83 
        - It's called deterrence  Hippo_Tron   Apr-13-11 07:16 PM   #97 
  - I was in the supermarket today. It was filled with  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 09:14 PM   #110 
     - I'm not interested in your...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 09:26 PM   #112 
        - Well, you are arguing that children are suspect. I consider THAT  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 09:58 PM   #113 
           - Like I said...  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 10:00 PM   #114 
              - Do you support these pat downs and machines  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 10:06 PM   #116 
                 - Last time I am saying this....  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 10:08 PM   #118 
                    - The question is a legitimate question  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 11:20 PM   #123 
                       - Yes, Sabrina....  SDuderstadt   Apr-13-11 11:39 PM   #126 
                          - No, but, as the Founding Fathers warned,  sabrina 1   Apr-14-11 03:00 AM   #127 
  - Who do I pick?  Ratty   Apr-13-11 03:14 PM   #54 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-11 04:17 PM   #60 
        - What if they have kids?  Ratty   Apr-13-11 04:45 PM   #70 
           - I think you misread my post.  Nye Bevan   Apr-13-11 05:18 PM   #81 
  - 1. You're speaking looney-tunes terror-talk; 2. You must be a male who has NO IDEA WHATSOEVER OF  WinkyDink   Apr-15-11 07:21 AM   #135 
  - The people are not our enemy. The enemy is the system.  MedicalAdmin   Apr-13-11 02:18 PM   #41 
  - "The system" is people. Our President has publicly joked about and defended this outrage. nt  woo me with science   Apr-13-11 05:15 PM   #78 
  - I'm around 2 million miles on Delta lifetime  FLPanhandle   Apr-13-11 02:18 PM   #42 
  - Thank you...  trumad   Apr-13-11 05:55 PM   #85 
  - Not to dispute the OP, but I understand the TSA outrage  DaveJ   Apr-13-11 02:57 PM   #49 
  - Yeah. It only took 2 years for the geniuses at the TSA  guardian   Apr-13-11 03:05 PM   #50 
  - If they had a conscience they would walk off the job en masse  Odin2005   Apr-13-11 03:28 PM   #55 
  - Yes they would. I know I would  sabrina 1   Apr-13-11 06:59 PM   #92 
  - Odd. I was just thinking that we'd do fine if we rolled back the budget for TSA to  LiberalAndProud   Apr-13-11 03:34 PM   #57 
  - How do you know they are underpaid?  ItNerd4life   Apr-13-11 04:36 PM   #67 
  - I don't blame the TSA, I blame our irrational human nature  Hippo_Tron   Apr-13-11 07:00 PM   #93 
  - I don't understand why no one points this out.  themadstork   Apr-15-11 07:41 AM   #137 
  - Most don't blame the workers. This is flamebait  upi402   Apr-13-11 07:08 PM   #95 
  - The big problem with the TSA are the number of wannabees  GoneOffShore   Apr-13-11 08:20 PM   #106 
  - Yes, if you are willing to fingerbang the travelling public you are a bad person  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-13-11 09:09 PM   #109 
  - TSA would love to use calipers if they could figure them out  GoneOffShore   Apr-13-11 10:27 PM   #119 
  - They don't have to work that job.  Lucian   Apr-13-11 10:47 PM   #122 
  - Fascists can always find underlings. And defenders.  WinkyDink   Apr-15-11 07:16 AM   #133 
  - They are a waste of our taxes  RB TexLa   Apr-15-11 07:32 AM   #136 

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