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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-11 11:44 AM
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6. Remembering
the answer to a question is, of course, important. Equally important is the ability to find the answer to a question which one does not know/remember the answer to.
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  -Why isn't memory taught more in schools? Uben  Apr-13-11 11:34 AM   #0 
  - I used to know the answer to this question.......  piratefish08   Apr-13-11 11:36 AM   #1 
  - I dispute your premise  Cronus Protagonist   Apr-13-11 11:36 AM   #2 
  - HEy, I 'm open minded, what do you think it is?  Uben   Apr-13-11 11:40 AM   #3 
     - School learning is dependent upon good memory  Cronus Protagonist   Apr-13-11 11:41 AM   #4 
     - I agree.  blueamy66   Apr-14-11 08:50 AM   #82 
     - Remembering  H2O Man   Apr-13-11 11:44 AM   #6 
     - A great teacher once told my class the follwoing:  SoCalDem   Apr-13-11 11:44 AM   #7 
     - quite true-- it's important to know how to find and use the info you need  spooked911   Apr-13-11 12:13 PM   #19 
     - I made my kids memorize a poem a week and recite it to me.  roguevalley   Apr-13-11 02:39 PM   #59 
     - "clog your brains"?  Codeine   Apr-13-11 02:47 PM   #62 
     - This is not a substitute for learning facts.  woo me with science   Apr-14-11 08:45 AM   #81 
     - critical thinking  rucky   Apr-13-11 11:54 AM   #12 
     - Hard to think critically if you can't remember what you've read and thought in the past.  themadstork   Apr-13-11 12:00 PM   #14 
     - And how can you know what to read and how to think?  rucky   Apr-13-11 01:18 PM   #44 
        - And how does one learn not to blindly trust the source?  themadstork   Apr-13-11 01:22 PM   #47 
     - You have the cart before the horse. One cannot begin to think critically until one has something to  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 12:55 PM   #34 
     - +1. A major pet peeve of mine in school.  wickerwoman   Apr-13-11 02:54 PM   #63 
     - Critical and creative thinking is impossible  Codeine   Apr-13-11 02:43 PM   #61 
     - I would say logic and analytical reasoning  spooked911   Apr-13-11 12:12 PM   #17 
     - The key to intelligence is thinking  adigal   Apr-14-11 09:01 AM   #86 
  - I remember going to a parents' night at high school...  grasswire   Apr-13-11 11:41 AM   #5 
  - Memorization used to be instilled in very young children...  hayu_lol   Apr-13-11 11:48 AM   #9 
  - How does memorizing the Gettysburg Address build deep understanding of any topic?  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-13-11 12:10 PM   #16 
  - First of all, if you think the GA is a "long passage," um, yeah, okay. Secondly, it isn't like there  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 12:57 PM   #35 
  - For speech education, memorization dates back to Cicero (at least)  Viking12   Apr-13-11 01:31 PM   #50 
  - 277 words is a long passage?  grasswire   Apr-13-11 02:22 PM   #57 
  - Yes, thank you--you wrote it better than I could have.  msanthrope   Apr-13-11 02:42 PM   #60 
  - It stretches the brain - it needs to be stretched, just like  adigal   Apr-14-11 09:05 AM   #87 
  - I learned the preamble from schoolhouse rock  Confusious   Apr-14-11 08:52 AM   #83 
  - But rote memorization...  a la izquierda   Apr-13-11 11:45 AM   #8 
  - It doesn't allow for critical thinking? That's outlandish.  themadstork   Apr-13-11 12:06 PM   #15 
  - No it doesn't  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-13-11 12:13 PM   #18 
  - Have any proof for that claim?  themadstork   Apr-13-11 12:26 PM   #23 
  - You made the claim. How about proving it?  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-13-11 12:33 PM   #26 
  - Try again. You and "a la ..." made the initial claim.  themadstork   Apr-13-11 12:41 PM   #31 
  - At least for literature,  wickerwoman   Apr-13-11 02:59 PM   #65 
  - The fact that you are hung up over one word instead of the general point  PVnRT   Apr-13-11 12:34 PM   # 
  - Har Har Har, you're such a funny fella.  themadstork   Apr-13-11 12:39 PM   #30 
  - Memorization follows from thinking critically, not the other way around  PVnRT   Apr-13-11 01:09 PM   #40 
     - Well, that's much different than  themadstork   Apr-13-11 01:16 PM   #43 
     - I don't think the human memory knows why it is picking up information.  EFerrari   Apr-13-11 01:24 PM   #48 
  - Oh, rilly? Then you would read the following HOW:  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 01:01 PM   #37 
     - OK, then  PVnRT   Apr-13-11 01:07 PM   #39 
        - Because we haven't made the absurd claim.  themadstork   Apr-13-11 01:25 PM   #49 
           - Why don't you go to a college history class?  a la izquierda   Apr-14-11 07:44 AM   #76 
              - What are you talking about?  themadstork   Apr-14-11 12:33 PM   #94 
  - Just like homework has centuries of practice  Goblinmonger   Apr-13-11 01:33 PM   #51 
  - you're being sarcastic right?  Confusious   Apr-14-11 08:56 AM   #84 
  - Find me a study that shows homework helps.  Goblinmonger   Apr-14-11 05:01 PM   #97 
     - I don't need a study  Confusious   Apr-14-11 10:19 PM   #103 
        - There you go.  Goblinmonger   Apr-14-11 11:07 PM   #104 
           - Doing something is not the same as homework?  Confusious   Apr-14-11 11:17 PM   #106 
              - Positive correlation doesn't equal causation  Goblinmonger   Apr-15-11 07:59 AM   #112 
                 - I gave you a study, you ignored it  Confusious   Apr-15-11 09:58 PM   #113 
                    - I didn't ignore it.  Goblinmonger   Apr-16-11 12:23 PM   #114 
  - Which is the same as saying there is no correlation between practicing a thing  LanternWaste   Apr-14-11 05:20 PM   #99 
     - Practicing does not need to equal homework  Goblinmonger   Apr-14-11 11:12 PM   #105 
  - Centuries of authoritarian educational practices, you mean.  Odin2005   Apr-13-11 03:05 PM   #67 
  - Because you say so? Yep, no critical thinking going on in the 20th Century's public schools.  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 12:59 PM   #36 
  - I disagree - it works the brain  adigal   Apr-14-11 09:06 AM   #88 
  - I didn't say memory in general.  a la izquierda   Apr-14-11 07:41 AM   #75 
  - Really? Because the "theme" of war is the same for, say, 1863 and 1914?  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 12:53 PM   #33 
  - Where in the hell did I say that?  a la izquierda   Apr-14-11 07:39 AM   #74 
  - Memorization provides facts that may then be manipulated  EFerrari   Apr-13-11 01:18 PM   #45 
  - Rote memorization is a pre-requisite for critical thinking (nt)  Recursion   Apr-13-11 02:10 PM   #54 
  - Critical thinking depends on the mastery of a base of facts from which to reason.  woo me with science   Apr-14-11 08:58 AM   #85 
  - I half agree with you. Memory is an important tool and it can be improved with practice.  phantom power   Apr-13-11 11:50 AM   #10 
  - do they teach multiplication tables anymore?  grasswire   Apr-13-11 11:52 AM   #11 
  - Yes but first we teach the process  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-13-11 12:16 PM   #21 
     - Some do; others of us think that's backwards (nt)  Recursion   Apr-13-11 02:11 PM   #55 
     - Both process and memorization of tables are important.  Dappleganger   Apr-14-11 11:28 PM   #109 
  - If you do not teach childrend memorization skills, these are the  OHdem10   Apr-13-11 11:56 AM   #13 
  - Interesting  ecstatic   Apr-13-11 12:14 PM   #20 
  - Math is a great example  themadstork   Apr-13-11 12:35 PM   #29 
  - That you don't need either fingers or machine to know 7X9. Or how to recognize angles. Or determine  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 01:04 PM   #38 
  - I agree  themadstork   Apr-13-11 12:20 PM   #22 
  - memory is complex. I don't think memorizing facts or memorizing passages of text is critical to...  yawnmaster   Apr-13-11 12:26 PM   #24 
  - I don't think memory is the key to intelligence, if so computers would have surpassed us long ago  WatsonT   Apr-13-11 12:32 PM   #25 
  - Bingo  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-13-11 12:34 PM   #27 
  - The human memory is not computer-like; it perforce includes context and extraneous thoughts.  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 01:13 PM   #41 
  - One other thing I want to add. From experience. Memorization can be very useful...  yawnmaster   Apr-13-11 12:34 PM   #28 
  - I like not counting my fingers when I want to add, subtract, etc. Or being unable to use a metaphor  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 01:15 PM   #42 
     - more important to know how and when to use a metaphor than to have your brain loaded with ...  yawnmaster   Apr-13-11 06:13 PM   #73 
  - Because Administrators take courses that tell them it is BAAAD, and then Admins FORCE teachers to  WinkyDink   Apr-13-11 12:52 PM   #32 
  - K&R.... Tell me what is the best way to teach memory....  midnight   Apr-13-11 01:21 PM   #46 
  - There are a lot of theories on memory,  themadstork   Apr-13-11 01:47 PM   #52 
  - With the internet, there are many sources.....  Uben   Apr-13-11 02:20 PM   #56 
  - I forget why.  ellie   Apr-13-11 01:53 PM   #53 
  - There are idiot-savants with eidetic memory.  LanternWaste   Apr-13-11 02:25 PM   #58 
  - Yup. I have eidetic memory and it has very little to do with intelligence.  Odin2005   Apr-13-11 03:12 PM   #68 
  - There are different kinds of memorization. Savant-memory is more akin to memorizing by rote, IMO.  themadstork   Apr-14-11 12:50 PM   #96 
     - I'm sure we can access paperwork relevant to the chemical processes  LanternWaste   Apr-14-11 05:18 PM   #98 
        - That'd be cool  themadstork   Apr-14-11 10:08 PM   #102 
  - I think we already have too much rote memorization in schools.  Odin2005   Apr-13-11 02:59 PM   #64 
  - The key to intelligence isn't memory.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-11 03:02 PM   #66 
  - I think when you say memory, you really mean learning. hence the dispute here.  robinlynne   Apr-13-11 03:49 PM   #69 
  - I don't think the key to intelligence is a good memory. I think it's curiosity  cali   Apr-13-11 03:54 PM   #70 
  - Computer Programming and Memorization  Yavin4   Apr-13-11 03:59 PM   #71 
  - It's not so much the crap I can't remember that causes me trouble...  hunter   Apr-13-11 04:02 PM   #72 
  - Memorizing is the lowest level of learning.  LWolf   Apr-14-11 07:47 AM   #77 
  - I think so too...  pipi_k   Apr-14-11 09:15 AM   #90 
  - And yet, it is a kind of learning. . .  themadstork   Apr-14-11 12:47 PM   #95 
  - I agree with you somewhat;  LWolf   Apr-15-11 07:25 AM   #111 
  - I've always enjoyed having a "good" memory  EFerrari   Apr-14-11 11:24 PM   #108 
     - I have a good memory, too.  LWolf   Apr-15-11 07:16 AM   #110 
  - I'd like to see mandatory courses in Logic and Debate.  MilesColtrane   Apr-14-11 07:49 AM   #78 
  - I agree and...  Javaman   Apr-14-11 08:32 AM   #79 
  - When you want to control people, keeping minds dull is a real no-brainer.  Octafish   Apr-14-11 08:35 AM   #80 
  - I do not agree...  pipi_k   Apr-14-11 09:07 AM   #89 
  - I disagree with the OP.  white_wolf   Apr-14-11 09:19 AM   #91 
  - I think you are talking about repetition......  Uben   Apr-14-11 09:56 AM   #92 
     - Your right, sorry for the misinterpretation..  white_wolf   Apr-14-11 10:43 AM   #93 
  - I agree with your OP fact, I think that....wait, what was this about again?  TK421   Apr-14-11 05:26 PM   #100 
  - I think I took a memory class in Junior High  ReggieVeggie   Apr-14-11 05:36 PM   #101 
  - Early grades tend to use more rote memory due to a child's learning growth...  Dappleganger   Apr-14-11 11:24 PM   #107 
  - Memorization is to the brain, as push-ups are to the body  Duer 157099   Apr-16-11 12:40 PM   #115 

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