pitohui
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Wed Dec-29-10 04:17 PM
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| 70. i used to be in an HMO, i wouldn't expect to get any care |
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HMOs always have some reason why they don't cover that
the folks i know w. medicare at least get care -- and some of them get excellent care (like my parents)
i'm lucky to be alive, having gone 15 years w. any insurance, then getting into a worthless HMO for another couple years...HMO is something that is wonderful and modern just because it's an acronym, it's pretty much a scam from what i can tell
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| -The problem with Medicare for all is the false assumption that Medicare is working now. |
newtothegame |
Dec-29-10 10:16 AM |
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And that means people paying to fully fund Medicare |
stray cat |
Dec-29-10 10:18 AM |
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How is my memory on this? |
NNN0LHI |
Dec-29-10 10:25 AM |
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Yep. We worked that out several times on the board |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:28 AM |
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I think the causes of high health costs need to be tackled |
tabbycat31 |
Dec-29-10 10:31 AM |
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I'm all for changing ag policy to stop subsidizing unhealthy food |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:35 AM |
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I think it will never be done politically |
tabbycat31 |
Dec-29-10 10:48 AM |
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I hadn't even thought of it that way |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:53 AM |
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I love the idea of a $ 1 tax on all things with |
truedelphi |
Dec-29-10 10:21 PM |
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so fund it higher |
wilt the stilt |
Dec-29-10 10:38 AM |
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Delete |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:40 AM |
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Interesting point but I would love to see the math fully done out on this and other options |
stevenleser |
Dec-29-10 01:22 PM |
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Healthcare, the entire system, costs about $7000 per person per year. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-29-10 02:25 PM |
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does that include the 50 million not |
wilt the stilt |
Dec-29-10 02:43 PM |
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Yes. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-29-10 03:22 PM |
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7k per head means per every man, woman, and child period |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 04:24 PM |
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figured it out once i saw the later post |
wilt the stilt |
Dec-29-10 04:37 PM |
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They can certainly afford it. They just would rather spend the money on defense |
jtown1123 |
Dec-29-10 10:20 AM |
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+1 |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-29-10 10:22 AM |
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Yeah, having just helped hubby give away his medicare in favor of an HMO |
tavalon |
Dec-29-10 10:20 AM |
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How does one "give away Medicare" in favor of HMO? |
dixiegrrrrl |
Dec-29-10 10:31 AM |
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I think they used to be called Medicare+ Choice or something like that |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:37 AM |
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OK, I get it. I actually am on a Medicare Advantage program. One still pays the |
enough |
Dec-29-10 11:15 AM |
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Starting in January he will be with Puget Sound Partners |
tavalon |
Dec-29-10 10:40 AM |
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Medicare Advantage. |
Cleita |
Dec-29-10 12:32 PM |
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i used to be in an HMO, i wouldn't expect to get any care |
pitohui |
Dec-29-10 04:17 PM |
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I too am curious what you mean by "give away his medicare in favor of an HMO." |
enough |
Dec-29-10 10:37 AM |
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Not to put words in Tavalon's mouth, but that sounds like Medicare Advantage |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:39 AM |
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Correct words placed |
tavalon |
Dec-29-10 10:41 AM |
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Are the subsidy cuts problematic? |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:42 AM |
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Basically, a lot of MA plans were wasteful and those subsidies were being picked |
jtown1123 |
Dec-29-10 01:09 PM |
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We will do it the same way it is done in the rest of the civilized world. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-29-10 10:21 AM |
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Then we have to do A LOT of things |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 10:24 AM |
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You make fine points, and I would add... |
TreasonousBastard |
Dec-29-10 11:52 AM |
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How about fewer lawsuits |
customerserviceguy |
Dec-29-10 12:30 PM |
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That's the GOP's line, but I'll grant them that |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 12:33 PM |
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There are ways to effectuate tort reform without caps |
customerserviceguy |
Dec-29-10 12:45 PM |
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One of the great things about Medicare for All is that all claims relating to future medical costs |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-29-10 01:17 PM |
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Maybe single payer isn't enough. Maybe our system is so fucked up we need to do national health... |
JVS |
Dec-29-10 10:22 AM |
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It's simple, if not easy: |
Ron Green |
Dec-29-10 10:26 AM |
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No it is not simple. |
county worker |
Dec-29-10 10:56 AM |
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You didn't even read the title of my post. |
Ron Green |
Dec-29-10 01:00 PM |
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Big pharmacy and outrageous mark ups for medical services |
Lint Head |
Dec-29-10 10:41 AM |
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That's it, blame the old, the indigent and the government. |
iamtechus |
Dec-29-10 11:44 AM |
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approximately how much is "barebones pay"? |
hfojvt |
Dec-29-10 11:46 AM |
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I can't speak for all my colleagues but I am an oncology nurse and I do the billing as well. $31k. |
newtothegame |
Dec-29-10 12:09 PM |
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Data-base of free/low cost med clinics in USA: |
dixiegrrrrl |
Dec-29-10 11:57 AM |
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Don't forget FQHCs!!! |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 12:05 PM |
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Bookmarked, with thanks. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Dec-29-10 01:54 PM |
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Sanders managed to sneak a huge increase in funding for them into HCR |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 01:59 PM |
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Thank you so much for this link! My son-in-law is uninsured and though he's very healthy, |
enough |
Dec-29-10 03:44 PM |
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I have no idea why this isn't more widely advertised |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 04:25 PM |
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This is part of the problem. |
area51 |
Dec-29-10 11:59 AM |
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Yep, you've nailed it. In fact, just the other day on DU, |
truedelphi |
Dec-29-10 10:23 PM |
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Got to love the hit and run posts. nt |
Javaman |
Dec-29-10 12:00 PM |
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Like yours? nt |
ItNerd4life |
Dec-29-10 12:20 PM |
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Thank you. I'm actually right here reading and appreciating people's thoughts and comments. |
newtothegame |
Dec-29-10 12:23 PM |
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Yup. Like mine. :) |
Javaman |
Dec-30-10 08:26 AM |
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The only way is to have a cramdown |
shimmergal |
Dec-29-10 12:04 PM |
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Understood. But why is Medicare's reaction to underfund us instead of regulating those prices? nt |
newtothegame |
Dec-29-10 12:21 PM |
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Quite honestly I think it's because the gov't is afraid of big corporations |
Dappleganger |
Dec-29-10 12:25 PM |
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VA Care for all has also been suggested. From my perspective VA medical care is phenomenal. |
qb |
Dec-29-10 12:08 PM |
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It depends on what you need |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 12:10 PM |
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Bankrupting, or cutting into profits? |
rucky |
Dec-29-10 12:11 PM |
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OP said "non-profit" |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 12:14 PM |
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...which really makes no sense |
bhikkhu |
Dec-29-10 09:36 PM |
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The former |
Recursion |
Dec-30-10 08:19 AM |
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I notice many posts are only insulting to you |
ItNerd4life |
Dec-29-10 12:18 PM |
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Thanks for your reply. To your questions: |
newtothegame |
Dec-29-10 01:24 PM |
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You make an important point |
customerserviceguy |
Dec-29-10 12:28 PM |
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Yes. That's the "hidden subsidy" to Medicare |
Recursion |
Dec-29-10 12:35 PM |
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I think when people say "Medicare for all" they mean use the basis |
Vinca |
Dec-29-10 12:32 PM |
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Well said Vinca. |
Cleita |
Dec-29-10 12:42 PM |
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Look at it this way. |
Cleita |
Dec-29-10 12:37 PM |
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Medicare is failing because health care can never work as a for profit enterprise... |
JCMach1 |
Dec-29-10 12:51 PM |
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I don't think you should necessarily blame Medicare as a whole. Cancer treatment is pretty different |
jtown1123 |
Dec-29-10 01:03 PM |
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I need to see the math before I can agree with you. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-29-10 02:23 PM |
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I don't think an argument over semantics is a good use of our time, but ok, I'll play that game. |
newtothegame |
Dec-29-10 04:12 PM |
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Re: Medicare-for-all vs. single payer with a way to fund it |
eomer |
Dec-30-10 08:29 AM |
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it's working better than not treating people at all for their cancer |
pitohui |
Dec-29-10 04:14 PM |
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