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The Gruesome Truth Is American Elections CAN & ARE BE RIGGED
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Edited on Tue Apr-12-11 11:44 AM by kpete
To The American Media: Time To Face The Reality Of Election Rigging

by Jonathan Simon
April 11, 2011

........

How does the Big Lie flourish and prosper? By being criminal beyond belief. By operating in safety behind a towering "never happen here" wall of denial. By a foolish assumption of immunity. By being too big a story to be a story within the bounds of journalistic decorum.

The gruesome truth is that American elections can be rigged and are being rigged because the American media treats election rigging as something that--all evidence notwithstanding--could never happen here. Period, end of story, move on.

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But America is the Beacon of Democracy dammit--it could never happen here. So Americans are instructed--by you, the media--to accept on pure faith that those in control of, or having access to, our privatized and concealed voting systems will devoutly serve the public trust rather than any conflicting private or partisan agenda. Any evidence that this faith is misplaced is ignored. Too dangerous. Too destablizing. Too disturbing. Too un-American. And yet, without this evidence, everything is just hypothetical, vulnerable, possible, and there is no imperative for change.

So we now bring forth a synopsis of the "evidence," knowing well that it has been as indigestible as shards of glass. We know of no easy way to make it go down. We know only that we continue to ignore it at our great peril. The grave of a democracy is a mass grave--there's room for all of us.

.......

the rest:
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/41...



The Little Old Lady Speaks Up:
I am 80 years old and I don’t understand anything about computers. I don’t know where the numbers Kathy was showing me ultimately came from, but they seemed to add up. I am still very, very confused about why the canvass was finalized before I was informed of the Brookfield error and it wasn’t even until the press conference was happening that I learned it was this enormous mistake that could swing the whole election. I was never shown anything that would verify Kathy’s statement about the missing vote, and with how events unfolded and people citing me as an authority on this now, I feel like I must speak up.
http://www.orchidforchange.com/parties/waukeshadems.com...



...............

and check this out FROM 8 MONTHS AGO:

Officials dispute reliability of Waukesha County clerk's election data system
Laurel Walker of the Journal Sentinel
Aug. 13, 2010
Nickolaus and Cummings both said the problem stems from when Waukesha County moved its network from an old, outdated Novell server - the processing unit that multiple personal computers tap into for shared services - to a Microsoft platform. Among other things, the conversion saved the county $500,000 a year, Cummings said.

Nickolaus' election system, however, depended on the old platform, so technicians restored a lone Novell server for her use, without a backup....a major upgrade to the election system was recommended, but Nickolaus has said it's unnecessary.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/100595954.html


AND

Gore Won Florida!
If every county in Florida - not just the Republican ones - had state-of-the-art voting machines that allowed voters to correct their mistakes, Al Gore would have won by 46,466.


http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=181




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  -The Gruesome Truth Is American Elections CAN & ARE BE RIGGED kpete  Apr-12-11 11:16 AM   #0 
  - And should anyone suggest it is a fraud they will be accused of  zeemike   Apr-12-11 11:25 AM   #1 
  - Yes. This is the Catch-22 - and it's hard to get enough movement against it for that reason nt  flamingdem   Apr-12-11 11:26 AM   #2 
  - Those who don't agree this is true are Willfully Ignorant at best.  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-12-11 11:30 AM   #4 
  - I was immediately "scolded" by two co-workers  Greybnk48   Apr-12-11 11:35 AM   #6 
  - If you believe that transmitted credit card info can be stolen...  joeunderdog   Apr-12-11 12:19 PM   #23 
     - and I think elections are stolen more frequently....  robinlynne   Apr-12-11 07:44 PM   #30 
        - Yes, and  chervilant   Apr-12-11 10:54 PM   #34 
           - yep. I rememeber that night in the exact same way.  robinlynne   Apr-12-11 11:51 PM   #36 
           - Yes: Kerry was up 3%, and when I woke, Bush was up 3%; AND  snot   Apr-13-11 01:30 AM   #40 
           - And then they decided to deep-six all exit polling, because  tblue37   Apr-13-11 03:46 PM   #66 
              - +1 --  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:04 AM   #74 
  - Spot-on  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Apr-13-11 03:27 PM   #61 
  - It's all in the programming of the computers.  hobbit709   Apr-12-11 11:27 AM   #3 
  - Yep... bears repeating  BeFree   Apr-12-11 11:36 AM   #8 
  - There are no impartial observers, and people are no more trustworthy than machines  eridani   Apr-12-11 08:55 PM   #31 
     - But worth noting: it's a lot harder to rig elections w/o electronics.  snot   Apr-13-11 01:34 AM   #41 
        - Not really. Paper ballot elections have been stolen since elections were invented  eridani   Apr-13-11 04:21 AM   #43 
           - Lever machines did stop the worst abuses.  Wilms   Apr-13-11 09:35 AM   #47 
  - Go here re Diebold::  savannah43   Apr-13-11 07:31 PM   #71 
  - Elections certainly CAN be rigged. Whether or not they actually ARE is tougher to prove.  Wilms   Apr-12-11 11:33 AM   #5 
  - thanks Wilms  kpete   Apr-12-11 11:39 AM   #10 
  - well  BeFree   Apr-12-11 11:40 AM   #12 
  - Fuss about all you want over unverifiable exit polls.  Wilms   Apr-13-11 09:38 AM   #48 
     - Among us?  BeFree   Apr-13-11 02:58 PM   #58 
        - I could care less what Rove thinks.  Wilms   Apr-13-11 03:30 PM   #62 
  - Right. They are not.  glinda   Apr-13-11 01:02 AM   #38 
  - We NEED paper ballots, marked by hand, and counted in public on a national voting holiday that  patrice   Apr-12-11 11:35 AM   #7 
  - Are you absolutely insane?  upi402   Apr-12-11 11:38 AM   #9 
  - I'm glad we agree about this!  patrice   Apr-12-11 11:43 AM   #13 
  - You never want to give people proof of how they voted.  drm604   Apr-12-11 11:54 AM   #15 
  - Social Security numbers and account numbers are generally very safe  upi402   Apr-12-11 11:58 AM   #16 
  - The post I replied to suggested duplicate ballots. n/t  drm604   Apr-12-11 12:30 PM   #26 
  - You better panic then, because the blue States of Oregon and  Bluenorthwest   Apr-12-11 12:11 PM   #18 
     - Oh, Oregon and Washington do it, and we have absentee ballots,  drm604   Apr-12-11 12:27 PM   #24 
        - Agreed. Absentee isn't so great.  Wilms   Apr-13-11 09:42 AM   #50 
  - Because no paper-based voting system has ever been rigged  slackmaster   Apr-12-11 12:15 PM   #21 
  - YES. Other countries do it; we can, too.  snot   Apr-13-11 01:35 AM   #42 
  - +1000% --  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:05 AM   #75 
  - R'd  Poboy   Apr-12-11 11:39 AM   #11 
  - I read somewhere that it's easier to rig a voting machine than a Vegas slot machine.  Initech   Apr-12-11 11:50 AM   #14 
  - k&r! nt  wildbilln864   Apr-12-11 12:07 PM   #17 
  - cognitive dissonance...  wildbilln864   Apr-12-11 12:12 PM   #19 
  - I've never used a voting machine.  Bluenorthwest   Apr-12-11 12:13 PM   #20 
  - YOU never used a "voting machine".  Wilms   Apr-13-11 09:45 AM   #51 
  - WHICH party does the rigging?  marions ghost   Apr-12-11 12:17 PM   #22 
  - it appears to be the rethugs..  2banon   Apr-15-11 04:15 PM   #87 
  - Is it me, or did this country take a BIG swing to Right  joeunderdog   Apr-12-11 12:29 PM   #25 
  - Voting computers began to come in during late-1960's ... !!!  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:09 AM   #76 
  - Conyers was all over election integrity after 2004. Anyone ask him why he  wiggs   Apr-12-11 12:45 PM   #27 
  - Ironic Dem Party is so disinterested in computer voting?  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:11 AM   #77 
  - Interesting that, about Conyers, isn't it? n/t  2banon   Apr-15-11 04:03 PM   #86 
  - state of the art voting machines? You mean paper ballots, counted publicly by 3 people, right?  robinlynne   Apr-12-11 07:42 PM   #28 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Apr-12-11 07:43 PM   #29 
  - More from first article...  Melissa G   Apr-12-11 08:58 PM   #32 
  - So TRUE!! And the Democrats RAN FAST AND FAR AWAY FROM any  bertman   Apr-12-11 09:30 PM   #33 
  - The grave of a democracy is a mass grave--there's room for all of us.  livefreest   Apr-12-11 11:49 PM   #35 
  - Americans are fools  Mosaic   Apr-13-11 12:39 AM   #37 
  - +1000% ---  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:13 AM   #78 
  - Kick for being the main action to make change possible.  glinda   Apr-13-11 01:07 AM   #39 
  - A decade after 00 and this is still one of our most pressing issues.  xchrom   Apr-13-11 05:06 AM   #44 
  - So when is the march on DC for our voting rights?  fasttense   Apr-13-11 08:02 AM   #45 
  - We are becoming no better than a third world country when it comes to elections..  piggy2000   Apr-13-11 11:56 AM   #52 
     - Actually, many third world nations are better.  Wilms   Apr-13-11 03:34 PM   #64 
        - +1 --  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:14 AM   #79 
  - K & R!  lonestarnot   Apr-13-11 08:31 AM   #46 
  - The two-story outhouse -- perfect! -nt  Terry in Austin   Apr-13-11 09:39 AM   #49 
  - Bradblog has been all over this for the past several years-- there clearly is massive fraud  spooked911   Apr-13-11 12:10 PM   #53 
  - Jonathan Simon has been hands on involved for years:  mod mom   Apr-15-11 03:30 PM   #84 
  - Absolutely  colsohlibgal   Apr-13-11 12:20 PM   #54 
  - Duh, How do you tink we got where we are. Elections are easy to steal.  Aaria   Apr-13-11 12:50 PM   #55 
  - Well, yes -- stolen elections over 50 years ... and  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:16 AM   #80 
  - Being at DU has taught me that every election lost by a Democrat is an indication of voter fraud  tritsofme   Apr-13-11 12:53 PM   #56 
  - That's crazy talk  BeFree   Apr-13-11 02:56 PM   #57 
     - In order to believe these silly vote fraud conspiracies, you would have to believe either  tritsofme   Apr-13-11 03:17 PM   #59 
        - O  BeFree   Apr-13-11 03:23 PM   #60 
        - Do I think elections are systemically stolen? No, I think that is nonsense.  tritsofme   Apr-13-11 03:33 PM   #63 
        - Address your points?  BeFree   Apr-13-11 05:09 PM   #70 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-11 03:53 PM   #67 
        - What about a Dem Party which harbored Koch Bros. DLC wing for decades ...  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:18 AM   #81 
        - Election Rigging and Voter Fraud are Two Different Things..  2banon   Apr-15-11 04:21 PM   #89 
  - I thought everybody had known of this possibility since 2000.  Brigid   Apr-13-11 03:39 PM   #65 
  - 2000 should have been a huge wake-up ... but not for Democratic Party -- !!!  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:20 AM   #82 
  - Its amazing what has happened in this country  AsahinaKimi   Apr-13-11 03:53 PM   #68 
  - What I find mind numbing, is that we need something  zalinda   Apr-13-11 04:23 PM   #69 
  - They are be rigged fo' sho'  deaniac21   Apr-13-11 07:38 PM   #72 
  - Many think our stolen elections begin in 2000 -- yet voting computers came in during late-1960's ...  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 02:01 AM   #73 
  - Not that anyone does anything about it, even when proven  L. Coyote   Apr-15-11 03:22 PM   #83 
  - I hate it when people-EVEN HERE-treat this as conspiracy theory  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-15-11 03:36 PM   #85 
  - it's an attempt to sweep it under the rug..  2banon   Apr-15-11 04:27 PM   #90 
  - ?? "CAN & ARE BE RIGGED" ??  L. Coyote   Apr-15-11 04:16 PM   #88 
 

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