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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-12-11 12:39 PM
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25. Yes he did. He could have allowed them to expire which means the taxes really went up
then had targeted relief proposed which would have truly decoupled the brackets and prevented Republicans and Third Way fuckheads from hiding behind principle or going for the whole ball of wax.

We never cut off the line of retreat for them. We failed to force them to vote against "middle class" cuts because they could always argue they were opposing any tax increases for anyone. That option was never removed and they instead were asked if they'd be willing to vote for a package without breaks for the upper crusts and then how about we exclude millionaires?

They can politically afford to say no to those because they can still just be against all increases. To move them you had to risk them saying no to "middle class" relief and EVERYONE'S rate going up.

DINOcraps were straight up too stupid, weak, complicit, or whatever to say Bush's tax cuts expired as designed, we proposed relief for working and poor families, and these fuckhead toadies of the wealthy told hardworking Americans to go to hell, IF the pukes failed to vote for the bill.

We are risk adverse and likely complicit in a game.

Clean bills are hard to spin, especially in light of reality rather than a hypothetical.
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  -Tax cuts for the rich and cut Medicare for the elderly? INdemo  Apr-12-11 05:58 AM   #0 
  - Medicare costs are unsustainable.  dkf   Apr-12-11 05:59 AM   #1 
  - Then we go after those that set the cost.  Bonhomme Richard   Apr-12-11 06:01 AM   #2 
  - That's not it.  dkf   Apr-12-11 06:05 AM   #5 
     - health care is already rationed. what are you talking about?  Hannah Bell   Apr-12-11 06:06 AM   #7 
     - It's rationed by keeping some people out.  dkf   Apr-12-11 11:38 AM   #24 
     - Single payer...+1  Bonhomme Richard   Apr-12-11 06:17 AM   #11 
     - rationing? a big part of the problem is the focus on treating instead of prevention.  ejpoeta   Apr-12-11 06:28 AM   #14 
  - No they're not. We just need more revenue. n/t  Scuba   Apr-12-11 06:28 AM   #13 
  - hmm, Canadian health care  newspeak   Apr-12-11 08:40 PM   #29 
  - And what is your answer? What do we do?  Curmudgeoness   Apr-12-11 08:53 PM   #30 
  - Well certainly not a Roosevelt Democrat.  mmonk   Apr-12-11 06:01 AM   #3 
  - your link? Because that is not what the LA Times or AP is reporting  peacebird   Apr-12-11 06:04 AM   #4 
  - It is called shared sacrifice. nt.  Warren Stupidity   Apr-12-11 06:06 AM   #6 
  - My point is ..he fought like hell to pass  INdemo   Apr-12-11 06:26 AM   #12 
  - It is called irony. nt  Warren Stupidity   Apr-12-11 07:11 AM   #16 
  - Shared sacrafice is NOT MORE TAX CUTS for the rich period nt  daa   Apr-12-11 11:11 AM   #23 
     - Sure it is.  Warren Stupidity   Apr-12-11 02:28 PM   #27 
  - In reality, Obama's proposal is EXACTLY the opposite.  BzaDem   Apr-12-11 06:07 AM   #8 
  - Why didn't he let it expire when he had the chance?  mmonk   Apr-12-11 06:10 AM   #9 
     - You know exactly why.  BzaDem   Apr-12-11 06:17 AM   #10 
     - You're talking to the wrong person. I'm not a supply sider.  mmonk   Apr-12-11 06:32 AM   #15 
     - You apparently don't even know what supply side economics is.  BzaDem   Apr-12-11 07:50 AM   #20 
     - NOT cause another recession......  piratefish08   Apr-12-11 07:15 AM   #17 
     - If he couldn't rally the troops then, how's that going to work now?  progressoid   Apr-12-11 07:35 AM   #19 
     - Nobody at the poverty line has 2,000 in tax liability. A marginal increase isn't 2k.  TheKentuckian   Apr-12-11 09:05 AM   #21 
        - The joke is on you. People at the poverty line get BACK money from the government, and without this  BzaDem   Apr-12-11 08:32 PM   #28 
           - You don't have an increase greater than your liability.  TheKentuckian   Apr-13-11 12:59 PM   #31 
     - He Didn't Have A Chance...  KharmaTrain   Apr-12-11 07:27 AM   #18 
        - Yes he did. He could have allowed them to expire which means the taxes really went up  TheKentuckian   Apr-12-11 12:39 PM   #25 
           - Playing On The Wrong Side Of The Field...  KharmaTrain   Apr-12-11 02:13 PM   #26 
  - No. He's not the only wolf in the chicken coup either. n/t  upi402   Apr-12-11 10:03 AM   #22 
 

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