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Tue Apr-12-11 12:28 PM
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| 90. Yes, the reasoning sounds a lot like Bush's torture |
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excusing lawyers who twisted and manipulated language to try to justify their war crimes. No wonder China, one of the world's worst human rights abusers themselves, can now attack the U.S. on human rights issues, and have people actually agree with them.
Anyone who cares about this country will demand that these practices stop and that those responsible be held accountable. We have zero moral authority in the world anymore, no one listens to the U.S. on human rights issues and we are losing status in the world. The problem is when the U.S. declines, someone else will take over the role and those who refused to hold their government accountable will be responsible for that.
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| -Obama Faces Criticism From Mentor Over Bradley Manning Treatment |
Ramulux |
Apr-11-11 04:43 PM |
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Guy Whitey Corngood |
Apr-11-11 04:44 PM |
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Close. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Apr-11-11 04:49 PM |
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+1000! |
G_j |
Apr-11-11 05:08 PM |
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+1 |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-11-11 06:50 PM |
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K&r |
CelticThunder |
Apr-11-11 04:56 PM |
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If this story is going to be recycled, |
ProSense |
Apr-11-11 04:56 PM |
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It's not like there are many sources for them to check. |
Wilms |
Apr-11-11 05:05 PM |
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Manning's own attorney has a blog. There's also a litle something lawyers do-- |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 05:14 PM |
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As I said above, there seems to be two inaccurate claims. |
Wilms |
Apr-11-11 06:15 PM |
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What claims? Referring to Manning's own filings, his own claims |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:42 PM |
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I'm referring to the letter. It's linked in the OP article. |
Wilms |
Apr-11-11 06:58 PM |
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So, then, Manning and his attorney aren't claiming torture then? |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:13 PM |
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I see it fit to reference the letter that the post is about. |
Wilms |
Apr-11-11 07:15 PM |
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Well, I'm referencing sworn facts from Mr. Manning himself. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:16 PM |
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Wilms |
Apr-11-11 07:47 PM |
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Wow. Maybe his lawyer should use it as an exhibit. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:50 PM |
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And as I've pointed out, with quotes from Manning's own |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:16 PM |
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'John Yooniversity'! |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:19 PM |
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Did YOU read his complaint? I have to think you did not |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 07:12 PM |
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Being told to start walking is torture???? |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:25 PM |
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Manning claims that his Constitutional rights have been violated. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:03 PM |
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Apr-11-11 05:06 PM |
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Do you even read the stuff you link? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Apr-11-11 05:15 PM |
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Yes, do you? n/t |
ProSense |
Apr-11-11 05:31 PM |
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Sure. E.g., there's at least 3 sitting ducks in the body of your post: |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Apr-11-11 06:17 PM |
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Apr-11-11 06:25 PM |
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What is more transparent than Manning's own filings? |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:35 PM |
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I was kvetching about non-supportive links, not the veracity of the claims themselves. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Apr-12-11 08:51 AM |
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Here, |
ProSense |
Apr-11-11 07:18 PM |
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Note that Manning's own 138 complaint backs your post, ProSense-- |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 05:18 PM |
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Thanks. |
ProSense |
Apr-11-11 05:30 PM |
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Especially facts written by Mr. Manning HIMSELF!!!! Posted on his attorney's blog!! |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 05:40 PM |
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If Manning's story conflicts with the narrative that's being created, you're damned... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-11-11 05:45 PM |
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Well, let's face it--there was a little matter of a fee. It's not like Assange was paying it. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 05:54 PM |
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Except that Manning's story does not conflict with the |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:29 PM |
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How sad to read your posts on this board. Manning |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:26 PM |
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Who cares if two minor points were in factual error? |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 05:38 PM |
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As they are the gravamen of the 8th amendment claim, factual error becomes important. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 05:46 PM |
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I'm not concerned about the value of his 8th Amendment claims |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 05:55 PM |
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You should be, if you truly care about him and others in confinement. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:08 PM |
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Provide some links |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 06:14 PM |
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Jeebus christ----his own friggen' lawyer says the 8th doesn't apply. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:27 PM |
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Article 13? |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 06:35 PM |
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Show me where, in the 138 claim, Manning or his lawyer claim |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:45 PM |
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Here you go: |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 07:00 PM |
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You failed to cite anything but a blogpost. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:11 PM |
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He said he's going to file an Art. 13 claim in the future |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 07:24 PM |
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Look, it took him over 6 months to file the first 138. I'll believe it when I see it. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:36 PM |
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If you know anything about the legal system, |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 07:38 PM |
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I know if you are bitching about the length of pre-trial detention, you file quickly. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:47 PM |
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Yeah, cause this is just your garden variety UCMJ proceeding |
_ed_ |
Apr-12-11 08:24 AM |
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More: |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 07:02 PM |
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Again, as above, you are citing a blogpost, not the actual filings. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:15 PM |
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There are no "actual filings" for the Art. 13 claim |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 07:27 PM |
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So it's all speculative bullshit. Send in those donations, though!!! n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:38 PM |
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Yeah, just like any pending legal filing is "speculative bullshit" |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 07:42 PM |
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Hyperbole? I'm the only one citing the actual filings in the case! |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:53 PM |
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You might want to look up the definition of |
_ed_ |
Apr-12-11 08:13 AM |
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Do you think you are convincing anyone of anything? |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:39 PM |
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He doesn't care |
_ed_ |
Apr-12-11 08:17 AM |
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Yes, the reasoning sounds a lot like Bush's torture |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-12-11 12:28 PM |
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Wrong, his own complaint, signed by his lawyer |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:35 PM |
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+ |
Bluebear |
Apr-13-11 03:39 AM |
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Call me naive... |
shaayecanaan |
Apr-11-11 07:40 PM |
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Okay. You are naive. He was charged last July, shortly after arrest. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:51 PM |
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Hmmmm? |
ProSense |
Apr-11-11 05:57 PM |
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Solitary confinement IS torture |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 06:03 PM |
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He is not in solitary confinement. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:10 PM |
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Have you ever experienced solitary confinement for months and months? |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 06:13 PM |
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As I said, Manning isn't in solitary. He's in a single cell. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:32 PM |
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The McCain quotes were about SOLITARY CONFINEMENT |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 06:38 PM |
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He isn't in solitary confinement. In fact, he's not asking to have a roommate. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 06:48 PM |
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FYI--I hardly trust your legal opinion |
_ed_ |
Apr-11-11 07:01 PM |
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Don't, then. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:22 PM |
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He was in solitary confinement. You posted the complaint, |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 07:16 PM |
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As I said, Manning isn't in solitary. He's in a single cell. That's all that's at Quantico. |
msanthrope |
Apr-11-11 07:19 PM |
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And again, Manning's own complaint, which you are using |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:10 PM |
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You're wasting your time |
_ed_ |
Apr-12-11 08:18 AM |
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True, but for others who have not read the complaint |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-12-11 12:46 PM |
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Yes he is in Solitary Confinement. And it is in his complaint. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 09:46 PM |
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Yes he is in solitary confinement. His own complaint, which |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-11-11 10:15 PM |
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What: is a broken record? |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-12-11 02:43 PM |
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President Obama needs a refresher course. Do you think the local community college there in DC |
Shagbark Hickory |
Apr-11-11 06:17 PM |
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He went to John Yooniversity right after the election. n/t |
Wilms |
Apr-11-11 07:16 PM |
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!!! |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-11 12:17 AM |
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Free Bradley Manning |
mountainlion55 |
Apr-11-11 08:24 PM |
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So where was he when this happened before? |
treestar |
Apr-11-11 08:26 PM |
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I wish more of Obama's former professors were as outspoken as this one. n/t |
Exilednight |
Apr-11-11 09:36 PM |
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Wow, this thread was quite the "ignored" magnet! |
Bluebear |
Apr-11-11 09:37 PM |
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LOL, it sure is! |
Dappleganger |
Apr-11-11 09:38 PM |
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His mentor never lover him |
liberation |
Apr-12-11 08:02 AM |
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Overwhelming DU support for Manning commendable |
Bragi |
Apr-12-11 08:12 AM |
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Well said and quite accurate. |
Search4Justice |
Apr-12-11 11:29 AM |
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