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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:06 AM
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5. That six month waiting period is so cruel -
among the other stupidities and inequities of this bastardized muddle that always stood out for me. Why make people wait six months? Hoping they'll die? You can bankrupt yourself with six days care in this country, hell - six hours in some instances - never mind six months. All it can do is make people sicker by the time they can get care - presuming they can afford it, which most won't be able to - and what the hell does "affordable" mean anyway?

Every time I see someone tout this mess as a victory the top of my head blows off.
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  -Only 8,000 enroll in health plan for preexisting conditions eridani  Dec-29-10 04:32 AM   #0 
  - probably the number of people who could afford it  Skittles   Dec-29-10 04:37 AM   #1 
  - I looked into it. At my age it would be $1000.00 per month  OKNancy   Dec-29-10 04:46 AM   #2 
  - Better gear up for the fight to defend Medicare, then n/t  eridani   Dec-29-10 04:51 AM   #3 
  - Are you sure? The highest premium is $704 per month from what I could find.  eomer   Dec-29-10 07:48 AM   #19 
     - Yes, I probably looked at the wrong table. Still can't afford $704.00  OKNancy   Dec-29-10 08:18 AM   #26 
        - I understand, it's not a big difference. Just wanted to make sure you had the right information,  eomer   Dec-29-10 08:48 AM   #30 
  - I'd totally apply if I could afford it.  laconicsax   Dec-29-10 04:51 AM   #4 
  - Maybe I'm not following you.  eomer   Dec-29-10 08:14 AM   #23 
     - The Oregon program has maximums, just not for everything, and not everything counts towards  laconicsax   Dec-29-10 10:05 AM   #31 
        - The pools got exempted from the preventative care requirement?  Recursion   Dec-29-10 10:19 AM   #33 
           - Read the details for yourself:  laconicsax   Dec-29-10 10:39 AM   #42 
              - Well, so the $0 you pay for the checkup and immunizations won't count...  Recursion   Dec-29-10 10:45 AM   #43 
  - That six month waiting period is so cruel -  bread_and_roses   Dec-29-10 05:06 AM   #5 
  - It's the same rationale as the once-a-year open season  Recursion   Dec-29-10 07:32 AM   #16 
     - It sucks because it is embedded in a for-profit system  bread_and_roses   Dec-29-10 07:45 AM   #17 
     - Nope. The Federal PCIP is government-run  Recursion   Dec-29-10 07:50 AM   #20 
        - as long as insurers are involved in any of our medical care  bread_and_roses   Dec-29-10 08:16 AM   #25 
           - You're stating that because other countries have a universal social insurance system  Recursion   Dec-29-10 08:23 AM   #29 
              - The connections between for-profit health "insurance" and the cost of care is supported by  bread_and_roses   Dec-29-10 05:20 PM   #57 
              - I don't think the entire industry is as "clean" as you do.  TheKentuckian   Dec-30-10 05:48 AM   #59 
     - Keep the insurance company investors afloat, you mean.  blindpig   Dec-29-10 10:56 AM   #44 
        - Even Medicare has an open season policy, for the same reason  Recursion   Dec-29-10 10:58 AM   #45 
  - How many of the "eligible" are now unemployed? or cut back to minimum hours?  SoCalDem   Dec-29-10 05:27 AM   #6 
  - I pay over $600 per month for my health insurance, which is PA state supported, and there is no way  old mark   Dec-29-10 05:28 AM   #7 
  - Again, the biggest flaw with this "reform"  vi5   Dec-29-10 05:30 AM   #8 
  - My wife and I would have to pay 3,600 a month for it.  boppers   Dec-29-10 05:38 AM   #9 
  - My husband and I would be looking at $3,000 a month.  Vinca   Dec-29-10 07:30 AM   #15 
  - But insurance is a large part of the problem.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-29-10 07:47 AM   #18 
  - +1  area51   Dec-29-10 12:18 PM   #49 
  - The premiums in Oregon range from $221 to $714 per month  eomer   Dec-29-10 08:22 AM   #28 
     - The $221 figure is for 18-19 year olds at the highest deductible.  laconicsax   Dec-29-10 10:18 AM   #32 
        - That's cheaper than my good non-profit group plan  Recursion   Dec-29-10 10:19 AM   #34 
        - Uh huh. And that is comparable because?  laconicsax   Dec-29-10 10:25 AM   #39 
           - Right, but the money still has to come from somewhere (nt)  Recursion   Dec-29-10 10:30 AM   #41 
        - Right, I was replying to boppers #9 who said it would cost $3600/month for the two of them.  eomer   Dec-29-10 12:25 PM   #50 
           - Well, it was a slightly different point.  boppers   Dec-29-10 05:54 PM   #58 
              - OK, thanks.  eomer   Dec-30-10 06:17 AM   #60 
  - Thisis the very antitheis of what a liberal would put in place.  Stinky The Clown   Dec-29-10 07:24 AM   #10 
  - I don't believe there is a difference.  blindpig   Dec-29-10 11:10 AM   #46 
     - A lot of self identified liberals...  eomer   Dec-30-10 06:28 AM   #61 
  - Insurance companies aren't making money on Federal PCIP  Recursion   Dec-29-10 07:26 AM   #11 
  - This is NOT the cost of care.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-29-10 07:59 AM   #21 
     - So, it is the cost of care  Recursion   Dec-29-10 08:02 AM   #22 
        - Right on brother  MedicalAdmin   Dec-29-10 08:14 AM   #24 
           - And that level of debt is increasingly difficult for a GP to work out from under  Recursion   Dec-29-10 08:19 AM   #27 
  - What a fucking nightmare.  lonestarnot   Dec-29-10 07:28 AM   #12 
  - I wanted to enroll in it, but our state opted to use the existing state program  Vinca   Dec-29-10 07:28 AM   #13 
  - If it wasn't for my VA coverage  hobbit709   Dec-29-10 07:28 AM   #14 
  - Medicare for All!  Ron Green   Dec-29-10 10:19 AM   #35 
  - We're eligible. We can't afford it.  Missy Vixen   Dec-29-10 10:21 AM   #36 
  - Thanks. It boggles my mind that these articles failed to mention  jtown1123   Dec-29-10 10:22 AM   #38 
     - The parties that wrote and were interviewed for the article  Missy Vixen   Dec-29-10 10:29 AM   #40 
  - What do these plans cost? Not one news article has explained if pple can even afford them.  jtown1123   Dec-29-10 10:22 AM   #37 
  - I saw a piece on TV last night, $600.00 a month was mentioned  Motown_Johnny   Dec-29-10 11:12 AM   #47 
  - I remember  Caretha   Dec-29-10 11:56 AM   #48 
  - A lot of us think a public option wouldn't be any cheaper (nt)  Recursion   Dec-29-10 12:25 PM   #51 
  - It seems to work well  Caretha   Dec-29-10 01:09 PM   #52 
     - They have healthier, richer populations to start with and their doctors make less  Recursion   Dec-29-10 01:14 PM   #53 
        - I'm quite cognizant  Caretha   Dec-29-10 01:57 PM   #54 
  - their job is to keep DUers off the streets and within the "reform within the party" frame  MisterP   Dec-29-10 02:19 PM   #55 
  - 100% unaffordable for me in NC. The low numbers don't surprise me at all.  tpsbmam   Dec-29-10 03:13 PM   #56 

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