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Mon Apr-11-11 10:42 PM
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| 156. That is so not true. President Obama inherited a recession and he |
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tried his best. Guess it is a waste of time trying to convince anyone now. It is all up to you if you want a Democrat in office or a republican.
Kinda sad though, President Obama tried and am not saying I agree with everything he does but he is trying. What you want him to do when even Dems voted against single payer for healthcare. What you all need to do is elect dems who identify with working class people!
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| -Let's make it real, who you gonna vote for? It is either President Obama |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-10-11 09:25 PM |
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Fail... Unreal. |
MNBrewer |
Apr-10-11 09:26 PM |
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who besides Obama can win for the Dems in 2012? |
rdking647 |
Apr-10-11 11:24 PM |
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Vote in the primaries for someone that espouses what we want... If they lose Obama in the GE... |
cascadiance |
Apr-11-11 01:18 AM |
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Go ahead and write someone in if that will make you feel better. |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-11 03:04 AM |
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And unfortunately, that's why we continue to be taken for granted... |
cascadiance |
Apr-11-11 03:39 AM |
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Kucinich didn't have a prayer of winning, with or without Edwards. |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-11 04:03 AM |
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I thought so too. But knowing the character of the other Dems in the race... |
cascadiance |
Apr-11-11 11:17 AM |
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So would I. Thank goodness Edwards didn't go farther than |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-11 12:47 PM |
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At the least we need to move in democrats from outside the party .... |
defendandprotect |
Apr-11-11 11:50 AM |
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A lazy response... |
brooklynite |
Apr-11-11 03:51 PM |
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I'm not saying we should work to help encourage the right one to enter a primary first... |
cascadiance |
Apr-11-11 06:46 PM |
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Sen. Bernie Sanders -- for one -- and we need TWO anti-war candidates .... |
defendandprotect |
Apr-11-11 02:14 AM |
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A pipedream, since he's already made it clear he's not interested. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-11 03:09 AM |
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We have tons of democrats who can run on the Dem ticket -- who aren't corporatists!! |
defendandprotect |
Apr-11-11 11:44 AM |
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And none of them wants to run, or has the organization. |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-11 12:50 PM |
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Have we asked them all? |
defendandprotect |
Apr-11-11 04:41 PM |
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how many states do you really thing sanders could win? |
rdking647 |
Apr-11-11 03:46 PM |
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And you think voting for Obama ... |
defendandprotect |
Apr-11-11 04:42 PM |
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Real vs. hypothetical |
MNBrewer |
Apr-11-11 10:01 AM |
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false dichotomy |
Cronus Protagonist |
Apr-10-11 09:26 PM |
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claiming that it is not a dichotomy is what is false. |
MH1 |
Apr-10-11 09:29 PM |
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You are blinkered then |
Cronus Protagonist |
Apr-10-11 10:44 PM |
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when did a write in win a major presidential election |
rdking647 |
Apr-10-11 11:25 PM |
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Anyone here not voting for Obama is helping the GOP destroy this country. n/t |
Logical |
Apr-10-11 09:26 PM |
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Agree with you. Finally convinced my dauthers to not vote Green, |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-10-11 09:28 PM |
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I see her point, but basically the vote is wasted. Which is bad. n-t |
Logical |
Apr-10-11 09:40 PM |
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I know, am trying to get them to vote Liberal for Federal, as much |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 11:01 PM |
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But he's doing a pretty good job himself |
Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel |
Apr-10-11 09:29 PM |
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I am not 100% happy either. But he is better than any GOP fool. n-t |
Logical |
Apr-10-11 09:39 PM |
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He's not attacking unions and he pushed through health insurance. |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-11 03:07 AM |
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On the other hand... |
warren pease |
Apr-11-11 06:39 AM |
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Bullshit. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-10-11 09:42 PM |
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Wow, what intelligence that took. I am awed! n-t |
Logical |
Apr-10-11 09:47 PM |
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What you said was so absurd that it necessitates no response. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-10-11 09:53 PM |
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Again, awed! Nt |
Logical |
Apr-10-11 11:25 PM |
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Clearly you chose your screen-name as some sort of ironic symbol. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 12:45 AM |
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Your snarky tone and no facts prove you are just angry with no logic. n-t |
Logical |
Apr-11-11 06:42 AM |
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Welcome to DU. |
JTFrog |
Apr-11-11 06:45 AM |
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You disagree voting against Obama does not help the GOP? Nt |
Logical |
Apr-11-11 07:32 AM |
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No. |
JTFrog |
Apr-11-11 07:40 AM |
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Ok, thanks! I appreciate your response! nt |
Logical |
Apr-11-11 07:49 AM |
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While that could certainly be said about your post, the post you responded to is spot on. n/t |
BzaDem |
Apr-10-11 11:26 PM |
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Spot on to the few who believe in such childish nonsense. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 12:46 AM |
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Fortunately, the number of people who vote for third parties is so negligable |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 12:53 AM |
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"Fortunately"? So you're saying that you enjoy our corrupt two party system? |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 12:59 AM |
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Enjoying recognition of reality is not the same as enjoying the substance of that reality. |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:03 AM |
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You just spent an entire post blaming the 2000 election on third party voting. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:06 AM |
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Yes, I did, because it is entirely true. |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:09 AM |
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The two party system exists because individuals allow it to exist. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:13 AM |
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Actually, the two party system exists WHETHER OR NOT you allow it to exist |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:18 AM |
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I said "human intervention". You said no that's false, it's "PAST human intervention". |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:29 AM |
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No, you said the specific intervention of voting in a current election. |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:31 AM |
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"...voting in a regularly scheduled election is somehow enabling the system" |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:37 AM |
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"who's validation comes in the continuation of it's function" |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:39 AM |
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"You think that a vote within a system does something to enable or disable the system" |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:43 AM |
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Yes actually. Third party voting did NOTHING to disable the system. It did EVERYTHING to elect the |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:44 AM |
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Pardon me for asking, but how old are you? |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:46 AM |
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Not old enough to have voted to ratify the Constitution in 1789. Beyond that |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:47 AM |
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You're afraid to disclose your age on a message board? |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:56 AM |
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Same reason most people don't disclose their age. n/t |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:57 AM |
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That's not an answer. I'm wondering why you don't want to disclose your age. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:58 AM |
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Here |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:59 AM |
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Again, not an answer. I already know you want it private. I want to know why. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 02:00 AM |
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Because I feel like it? |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 02:01 AM |
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Because your age and length of political participation likely weighs heavily on your "opinion". |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 02:02 AM |
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Surely though if there was something wrong with my argument or "worldview" |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 02:06 AM |
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My critique of your argument is done. That's been done for a while. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 02:07 AM |
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BS is thy name, STFU! |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 11:09 PM |
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And so is any progressive . . . |
markpkessinger |
Apr-10-11 11:12 PM |
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But that assumes that losing an election cycle or two will ACTUALLY help you achieve your goals. |
BzaDem |
Apr-10-11 11:27 PM |
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The reality is we won't know until we try . . . |
markpkessinger |
Apr-10-11 11:29 PM |
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Are you kidding me? They tried exactly your strategy in 2000. Didn't work out very well now did it? |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 12:48 AM |
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You've swallowed a bunch of nonsense. The Supreme Court and corruption cost us the 2000 election. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 12:57 AM |
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... and they would not have been able to, had the strategy of the above poster not been used. |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:04 AM |
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Why don't you nail down a coherent argument and then get back to me. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:08 AM |
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If you don't understand my argument, that is your problem (not mine). It is not complicated. n/t |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:10 AM |
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Don't flatter yourself. You're argument is convoluted because it's contradictory. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:14 AM |
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Says the person who can't name a single contradiction. n/t |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:19 AM |
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How about the one where you said a negligible amount of people vote third party. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:20 AM |
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That isn't a contradiction at all. An election can EASILY hinge on a negligable margin. |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:22 AM |
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It is actually a massive contradiction. Unless you are willing to redefine negligible. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:25 AM |
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Let's put it this way -- such a small group has negligable influence in pushing the country to the |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:28 AM |
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So they have negligible influence on politics other than costing us entire elections. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:33 AM |
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They have negligible influence in pushing the country to the left, but significant influence in |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:34 AM |
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You are grasping at some mighty fine straws. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-11-11 01:39 AM |
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That is my argument (regardless of how hard you try not to understand it out of convenience). |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:41 AM |
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And anyone voting for Obama is helping the Corporadems destroy this country. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-10-11 11:28 PM |
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The difference is that your proposition is false, whereas the proposition you responded to is true. |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 12:55 AM |
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The one does not negate the other. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-11-11 01:07 AM |
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But that isn't what you said -- you said voting for Obama somehow hurts the country. |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 01:13 AM |
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You claim there are but two alternatives - Obama and Not Obama. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-11-11 11:38 AM |
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The banksters are destroying this country and TARP proves that they own both parties. nt |
phasma ex machina |
Apr-10-11 11:37 PM |
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It is Obama destroying the nation with more oil drilling and more nukes for America!! |
defendandprotect |
Apr-11-11 11:47 AM |
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I will vote for Obama |
Terra Alta |
Apr-10-11 09:29 PM |
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Lesser of two evils they say! But we have no choice now! Vote for Obama |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-10-11 09:32 PM |
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Love your sig! |
freshwest |
Apr-10-11 09:45 PM |
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I will vote for him...but not enthusiastically... |
jab105 |
Apr-10-11 09:33 PM |
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I understand, even if you do not donate, vote for him. I am sure that he |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-10-11 09:37 PM |
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He is about to do something Presidential. |
Skink |
Apr-10-11 09:39 PM |
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How many of these are you guys gonna post per day now? Thx |
uponit7771 |
Apr-10-11 09:40 PM |
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No shit. It's gonna be a long election season. |
Union Scribe |
Apr-11-11 01:42 AM |
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It seems to be far fewer than the "Obama bad" OPs. |
JoePhilly |
Apr-11-11 07:11 AM |
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Every time a stupid thread like this comes up, I feel less motivated to vote for Obama. |
Paradoxical |
Apr-10-11 09:41 PM |
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Apr-10-11 09:44 PM |
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Who gives a shit about how you feel not voting for President Obama, |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 10:37 PM |
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Who cares, why did you need to kick this thread? |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 11:08 PM |
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silly |
H2O Man |
Apr-10-11 09:43 PM |
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Silly, why? n/t |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 10:29 PM |
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I'll be sure to vote for the best candidate... |
walldude |
Apr-10-11 09:44 PM |
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This is not worthy of a response ... |
Joyce78 |
Apr-10-11 09:45 PM |
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You make it sound. |
sendero |
Apr-10-11 09:45 PM |
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I always like to keep my options open. |
bigwillq |
Apr-10-11 09:47 PM |
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I want to vote for Elizabeth May |
Autumn |
Apr-10-11 09:49 PM |
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Republican, Fundamentalpatient, Wasted Vote. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-10-11 09:50 PM |
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But the portions are huge! |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-10-11 11:22 PM |
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Huge and stupid. The way shit's DONE in Murka! |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-11-11 07:31 AM |
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I'm part of a miniscule fringe element. How I choose to vote (IF I choose to vote) does not matter. |
Edweird |
Apr-10-11 09:50 PM |
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Don't care about any GOP candidate. I never give them any encouragement... |
freshwest |
Apr-10-11 10:00 PM |
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No. I can vote for the expansion of war or not vote for the expansion of war. |
rug |
Apr-10-11 10:05 PM |
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as a Dem for 40+ yrs |
mitchtv |
Apr-10-11 10:06 PM |
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In the words of the late Ted Kenney. . . |
markpkessinger |
Apr-10-11 11:16 PM |
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+a brazillion! |
kath |
Apr-10-11 11:41 PM |
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Truer words were never spoken |
Raine |
Apr-11-11 04:26 AM |
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I'll Vote For The Democrat Who Gets The Nomination...Whoever It Is |
Johnny Harpo |
Apr-10-11 11:19 PM |
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Seriously consider writing in Jesse Jackson. |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-10-11 11:25 PM |
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why???? |
rdking647 |
Apr-10-11 11:27 PM |
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Obama has turned out to be what I expected from Romney so I'll write in a Democrat |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-11-11 10:22 AM |
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I doubt it will be Romney on the Republican side. But if it is, |
mmonk |
Apr-10-11 11:29 PM |
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This belongs in GDP. |
tekisui |
Apr-10-11 11:39 PM |
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Why? |
Bobbie Jo |
Apr-11-11 08:47 AM |
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Why can't they just put corporations on the ballots and stop with this charade? nt |
Modern_Matthew |
Apr-11-11 01:24 AM |
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I'm planning to vote for Obama |
franzia99 |
Apr-11-11 01:52 AM |
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False, fear-based non-choices if you're for the status quo -- if you want change ... |
defendandprotect |
Apr-11-11 02:13 AM |
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With Obama having stolen Mitt-care... and Obama cutting spending, what's the difference again? |
LooseWilly |
Apr-11-11 03:36 AM |
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Donald Trump |
TurningPointTime |
Apr-11-11 06:46 AM |
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Apr-11-11 06:47 AM |
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Me! |
rpannier |
Apr-11-11 06:48 AM |
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Apr-11-11 06:52 AM |
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Apr-11-11 07:06 AM |
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I have no problem |
creon |
Apr-11-11 07:19 AM |
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Let's make it real, this sort of argument is a lousy way to get votes. |
gkhouston |
Apr-11-11 07:35 AM |
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I have not seen one post countering you yet! n-t |
Logical |
Apr-11-11 07:37 AM |
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Thanks for framing that so narrowly, I don't even have to think now! |
StarburstClock |
Apr-11-11 07:39 AM |
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No worries.... |
Bobbie Jo |
Apr-11-11 09:26 AM |
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my electoral vote to obama.. |
mdmc |
Apr-11-11 07:55 AM |
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Apr-11-11 07:59 AM |
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Probably the best poop flinging post I have read outside the |
Javaman |
Apr-11-11 09:41 AM |
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When I get my ballot, |
LWolf |
Apr-11-11 09:45 AM |
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Unrec ...epic fail. |
L0oniX |
Apr-11-11 10:25 AM |
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Hey, don't rub it in our faces, OK? We're less fucked with Obama than with a republican. |
Zorra |
Apr-11-11 11:22 AM |
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Really, with Obama cutting social security you think we're "less fucked" with a republican? |
TBF |
Apr-11-11 11:49 AM |
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Do you think any Republican's replacement for Justice Kennedy WONT strike down future progressive |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 06:55 PM |
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I'm not convinced that Obama's replacement for Justice Kennedy |
TBF |
Apr-11-11 07:25 PM |
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Really? Do you think Justice Kagan and Justice Sotomayor would do so in the future, even though |
BzaDem |
Apr-11-11 09:18 PM |
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I guess it depends upon perspective - |
TBF |
Apr-12-11 02:53 PM |
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Unrec for lack of choice - |
TBF |
Apr-11-11 11:47 AM |
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Then you all have to elect someone who will be on your side, these |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 10:32 PM |
#153 |
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Obama will NOT get my vote unless Palin is the nominee. |
Chris_Texas |
Apr-11-11 11:48 AM |
#139 |
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That is so not true. President Obama inherited a recession and he |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 10:42 PM |
#156 |
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Guess he should be primaried, whom do you have in sight? |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 10:56 PM |
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After 8 years of Bush and blind republican obstructionism for the past 2 years |
killbotfactory |
Apr-11-11 10:38 PM |
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I understand, seems so surreal that the world was with Obama, he |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 10:48 PM |
#157 |
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Hey, am not a troll! |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 11:04 PM |
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Mods, please lock this. Thanks! |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-11-11 11:10 PM |
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