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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:08 PM
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36. I will say whatever I want and have confidence in whatever I want.
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 12:17 PM by PeaceNikki
No, I don't claim to be an "expert", but I know more about this community than people who have never been here, no? I was born and raised here. Have you ever even heard of Waukesha County or Brookfield before this? Doubt it. Have you marched in Madison since this started? I have. Have you participated in local recall efforts here? I have.

Look, you have put words into my mouth and thrown out ridiculous strawman arguments implying I am defending this clerk and/or don't want an investigation and you're totally wrong. Let's review the things I think you and I agree on:

1) We TOTALLY want Kloppenburg to win.
2) The Waukesha County Clerk is a corrupt asshole
3) This needs to be thoroughly investigated
4) A recount with FULL hand count MUST happen
5) Any and all corruption or fraud needs to be fully exposed and prosecuted if found

See... that's a lot, no? The things that we disagree about are ALL theorectical. We disagree about what did happen, what people's motives might have been and what will happen. All of these things will either be worked out or we'll flat out never know. Stop acting like I I don't care. I care more than you can ever comprehend. Stop acting like I am defending this county clerk, I am not and I will not. Ever. Stop with the strawmman arguments that I think we should not investigate, I've made my opinion very clear on that. Stop implying that I am a "troll" because I don't agree with every specific theory to which you subscribe.

I will continue to shoot down wild and crazy theories made by people who don't understand the processes or people here in WI, specifically my community. I was born and raised here. Similarily, I concede that I don't know EVERYTHING and have learned some things AND admitted I was wrong when corrected. But I assure you, I *know* the makeup of this community and Nate Silver clearly gets it, too.
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  -Prosser outperformed other Republican candidates in Waukesha County in recent history Bjorn Against  Apr-09-11 07:07 PM   #0 
  - wouldn't you have to compare to local elections, which is what this was  dsc   Apr-09-11 07:11 PM   #1 
  - This was not a local election, it was a statewide election  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 07:12 PM   #2 
  - of a sort  dsc   Apr-09-11 08:45 PM   #28 
  - For a comparable election, Gableman got 66% in 2008.  Zynx   Apr-09-11 07:12 PM   #3 
     - that is still a presidential year  dsc   Apr-09-11 08:44 PM   #27 
        - There was no presidential election (primary or otherwise) on that ballot.  Zynx   Apr-10-11 08:50 AM   #29 
  - Nate Silver gets it. The people of Waukesha County used this as a confidence vote on Walker  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:14 PM   #4 
  - There are many reasons his numbers could be higher, just one of which is fraud  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 07:19 PM   #6 
     - Yes, and investigations are happening.  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:21 PM   #8 
        - Not to mention it's full of religious nuts.  Zynx   Apr-10-11 09:02 AM   #30 
           - They have religious bowling cults...  Ellipsis   Apr-10-11 05:54 PM   #46 
  - Maybe the T-bag/GOP was energized by the recent  EmmettKelly   Apr-09-11 07:18 PM   #5 
     - Exactly, in a VERY red county, this is exactly what happened.  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:20 PM   #7 
     - "....exactly what happened.""  BeFree   Apr-10-11 11:39 AM   #31 
        - sigh  PeaceNikki   Apr-10-11 11:41 AM   #32 
           - I know  BeFree   Apr-10-11 11:47 AM   #33 
              - Because I know my neighbors, co-workers, community, voting habits, and the demographics here.  PeaceNikki   Apr-10-11 11:49 AM   #34 
                 - So you are the expert?  BeFree   Apr-10-11 12:02 PM   #35 
                    - I will say whatever I want and have confidence in whatever I want.  PeaceNikki   Apr-10-11 12:08 PM   #36 
                       - Right  BeFree   Apr-10-11 12:21 PM   #37 
                       - Whatever.  PeaceNikki   Apr-10-11 12:23 PM   #38 
                       - ---  Tresalisa   Apr-10-11 03:02 PM   #43 
     - Possible, but we need an investigation to determine the cause.  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 07:23 PM   #9 
     - Why do you keep trying to act like you have to prove the need to do something they are already doing  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:25 PM   #10 
        - Because right now there is not a real investigation looking at everything that needs to be looked at  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 07:28 PM   #11 
           - Of course the recount "plans" aren't laid out because certification isn't complete.  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:30 PM   #12 
              - As even you acknowledged in the previous thread, we can't get a hand count without a judge's order  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 07:32 PM   #13 
              - We can't get a recount at ALL without a "judge's order".  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:33 PM   #14 
                 - Actually we can get a machine recount without a judge's order, but not a hand recount  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 07:39 PM   #17 
                 - The recount petition itself goes to a judge, no?  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:44 PM   #18 
                    - Maybe it goes to a judge, but you don't have to argue your case to a judge for a machine count  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 07:47 PM   #19 
                       - This is also interesting  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:50 PM   #20 
                          - On the first point that would be a good argument for a lawyer to make  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 08:01 PM   #21 
                          - And where #10 starts it clearly says:  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 08:08 PM   #22 
                             - I have no doubt that Elias will find many good arguments for a hand recount  Bjorn Against   Apr-09-11 08:21 PM   #25 
                                - And I remain optimistic that it won't even be a fight to get it.  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 08:23 PM   #26 
                          - or tabulators  liberal life   Apr-10-11 12:31 PM   #39 
                             - If you read the rest of the document, "tabulators" in that context are people.  PeaceNikki   Apr-10-11 12:35 PM   #40 
                 - What court do you go to for that? Circuit in Dane I hope. n/t  rzemanfl   Apr-09-11 08:17 PM   #23 
                    - I appear to have been wrong that the recount petition has to go to judge.  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 08:18 PM   #24 
              - gore/bush is why they are worried about voter issues...we've learned not to just wait for the system  Snoutport   Apr-09-11 07:34 PM   #15 
                 - Not in this county. Here's the other thing not factored in:  PeaceNikki   Apr-09-11 07:37 PM   #16 
     - Except it is also true that a certain % of GOP voters in Wis. now regret their vote for Walker  blm   Apr-10-11 12:49 PM   #41 
        - Not in this county, though. See... THAT'S the thing a lot of you don't get.  PeaceNikki   Apr-10-11 12:56 PM   #42 
           - Yeah... Waukesha county is scary...  Shiver   Apr-10-11 03:12 PM   #44 
              - lol, I leave people with the impression this is a bad place.  PeaceNikki   Apr-10-11 03:32 PM   #45 

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