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128. +100
the democratic party is fucking useless.
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  -Imagine if the Dem Congress shut down government demanding the end to Bush tax cuts for the rich nashville_brook  Apr-08-11 06:55 PM   #0 
  - Thats a completely out of touch assessment that is the opposite of the likely reality.  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 07:02 PM   #1 
  - that's actually an out-of-touch swallowing hook-line-sinker of republican FRAMING  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 07:04 PM   #3 
  - And thats a poorly crafted. empty talking point that doesn't speak to what I actually said at all.  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 09:04 PM   #23 
     - no, seriously -- your framing is 100% GOP-approved.  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 10:23 PM   #26 
        - Lying to yourself about how the average voter thinks doesn't help progressive causes.  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 11:08 PM   #33 
           - polls aren't reality, my friend. but if "public opinion" counts for anything, you're an outlier here  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 11:16 PM   #40 
           - When a significant number of them from various outlets consistently say the same thing, they are.  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 11:42 PM   #43 
           - backatcha  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 12:19 AM   #46 
           - What makes you think that your interpretation of the "facts" are some how "better than" or superior  louslobbs   Apr-09-11 03:13 PM   #146 
           - did you miss the large republican gains last november?  pasto76   Apr-09-11 10:14 AM   #83 
           - the 4-million pound gorillazasaurus in the room  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 11:20 AM   #105 
           - I agree with the poster. Add up another outlier. In reality, the poster  bluestate10   Apr-09-11 12:30 PM   #127 
           - Oh, YOU KNOW, though? The "average voter" elected the FIRST AFRICAN -AMERICAN. I think that's not  WinkyDink   Apr-09-11 06:26 AM   #51 
           - Are you saying the center is racist?  phleshdef   Apr-09-11 10:08 AM   #78 
           - Polls?  Enthusiast   Apr-09-11 06:40 AM   #52 
           - precisely.  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 09:17 AM   #67 
           - Did I fucking stutter?  phleshdef   Apr-09-11 10:08 AM   #77 
           - "a compromise" doesn't mean giving away the entire store.  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:09 AM   #80 
              - You obviously don't know "what the entire store" even is.  phleshdef   Apr-09-11 10:14 AM   #82 
                 - the GOP knows Obama will not fight when they take hostages -- next up Debt Ceiling  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:30 AM   #89 
           - Tada. But Beltway logic on public opinion does not resemble our Earth logic.  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 11:57 AM   #119 
           - lol  fascisthunter   Apr-09-11 09:03 AM   #63 
           - Progressives love to lie to themselves. Their first lie is that they  bluestate10   Apr-09-11 12:27 PM   #126 
           - i absolutely LOVE this argument that "progressives are not the base"  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 02:39 PM   #139 
              - absolutely  HankyDubs   Apr-09-11 03:26 PM   #149 
           - When all people see is FAUX news then that's what they are going to think -  TBF   Apr-09-11 06:14 PM   #155 
  - We're not living in Clinton's first term. Obama & too many Dems fail to understand that.  DirkGently   Apr-08-11 07:12 PM   #6 
  - reasonable flexible grownups don't let the children steal all their money  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 07:27 PM   #14 
  - We might as well be. The only difference in the political culture is more cable news and internet.  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 08:57 PM   #21 
  - oh yeah -- who MADE us extend the Bush tax cuts?  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 10:31 PM   #27 
  - Basically the jobs recession. Refusing to extend unemployment and raising middle class taxes would..  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 10:57 PM   #29 
     - that's bullshit -- if Obama wanted to create jobs, he had 2 years to do so.  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 11:05 PM   #31 
     - And he has. Historically, jobs always take awhile to fully recover after a deep recession.  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 11:13 PM   #38 
        - keep hope alive  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 11:21 PM   #41 
        - There will be no middle class economic recovery  Enthusiast   Apr-09-11 06:20 AM   #48 
        - There will be no jobs recovery until we tariff.  olegramps   Apr-09-11 08:42 AM   #60 
        - damn good point. "free" trade is betrayal of all working americans.  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:08 AM   #79 
        - I'm with you 100%  Enthusiast   Apr-09-11 04:11 PM   #154 
        - You have no clue what your talking about do you?  phleshdef   Apr-09-11 10:11 AM   #81 
        - is there a critique in there somewhere?  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:36 AM   #90 
        - I just love this attitude  HankyDubs   Apr-09-11 03:00 PM   #144 
           - +1  nashville_brook   Apr-10-11 09:58 AM   #158 
        - +1. The money needs to be back in circulation. The corporations need to pay  Lorien   Apr-09-11 01:13 PM   #132 
           - right now they're sitting more than $3 TRILLION -- where's the jobs?  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 02:52 PM   #141 
        - Well for starts our government can stop rewarding corporations for shipping jobs overseas.  RC   Apr-09-11 11:27 AM   #107 
     - Disagree. you pass that as a stand alone bill. Simple.  grahamhgreen   Apr-09-11 11:35 AM   #111 
  - Clinton was presiding over a prosperous, peaceful America. Notice anything different now?  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 12:11 PM   #123 
  - "Reasonable flexible grownups know when to raise their voices and tell the kids to cut the crap."  Zenlitened   Apr-08-11 09:14 PM   #24 
  - Most people are pretty stupid and/or disengaged.  TheKentuckian   Apr-08-11 08:00 PM   #19 
  - I don't have any illusions of there being a "path to victory" at all at this time.  phleshdef   Apr-08-11 09:02 PM   #22 
  - oh gee -- like in 2008. lot of damn good that did us.  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 11:31 PM   #42 
  - No because that didnt happen in 2008. We were about 5 progressive Senators shorts.  phleshdef   Apr-09-11 10:16 AM   #85 
     - but the GOP can completely RUN the country into the ground with only the House.  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:38 AM   #91 
        - No. Only someone that doesn't understand how legislation works would need to wonder.  phleshdef   Apr-09-11 10:53 AM   #95 
           - yes, we all know that -- so, why can't Dems apply that pressure when they're in control of the House  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 11:13 AM   #100 
              - Except thats utter bullshit. A great deal of progressive stuff passed Nancy Pelosi's house.  phleshdef   Apr-09-11 11:21 AM   #106 
  - Republicans in the wilderness never take that tact. They work to always advance their agenda and to  TheKentuckian   Apr-09-11 10:39 AM   #92 
     - "tactical victory over strategic defeat." The essence of the "you just don't understand politics"  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 12:05 PM   #121 
  - Most people - 81% - want to tax the rich.  grahamhgreen   Apr-09-11 11:37 AM   #113 
  - Clinton gave us 8 years of, wait for it, PEACE AND PROSPERITY.  WinkyDink   Apr-09-11 06:25 AM   #50 
  - Perceptions are created by actions.  tcaudilllg   Apr-09-11 09:55 AM   #72 
  - So much for the fight Obama was "ready to have".  tcaudilllg   Apr-09-11 09:58 AM   #73 
  - Most people - 81% - want to tax the rich.  grahamhgreen   Apr-09-11 11:38 AM   #114 
  - *Sigh of disgust*. Because 14 Democratic Senators from Wisconsin went AWOL  Zorra   Apr-09-11 03:25 PM   #148 
  - spot on!  nashville_brook   Apr-10-11 10:00 AM   #160 
  - Only because people like you are naysayers. n/t  Scuba   Apr-09-11 06:38 PM   #156 
  - Great analysis  Zax2me   Apr-10-11 10:00 AM   #159 
  - we are in desperate need of our own tea party  sasha031   Apr-08-11 07:03 PM   #2 
  - not just beautiful -- but it would have made it impossible for the GOP to argue for these cuts  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 07:07 PM   #4 
  - when the tax cuts were extended we knew we would end up here  sasha031   Apr-08-11 07:11 PM   #5 
  - i've been taking in dialogue on other progressive sites lately, and am floored at the  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 07:19 PM   #10 
  - Right there with you, sasha. Obama compromise = capitulation.  SusanaMontana41   Apr-09-11 10:23 AM   #87 
  - Why is no one trotting the Defense Spending elephant around the room whenever Republicans start  DirkGently   Apr-08-11 07:38 PM   #16 
     - Okay, who here has dem reps and/ or senators?  cameozalaznick   Apr-09-11 11:08 AM   #96 
        - I think we all do those things. And we discuss it here as well. Calling it "bitching" is a non-point  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 11:29 AM   #108 
  - Maybe the fact that we don't  treestar   Apr-09-11 08:12 AM   #57 
  - A part of me is envious of the way reThugs stand firm for the wishes  mazzarro   Apr-08-11 07:12 PM   #7 
  - They know how to stand as one they know how to spout the talking points,  gateley   Apr-08-11 07:15 PM   #8 
  - as the saying goes getting Democrats together is like herding cats  sasha031   Apr-08-11 07:19 PM   #11 
  - The demand to criticize and not march in lock step  treestar   Apr-09-11 08:14 AM   #59 
  - what's happening is that Dems are coming to believe that our party feeds from the same trough  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 07:37 PM   #15 
     - Precisely. People don't vote defensively. They vote for principled ACTION.  DirkGently   Apr-08-11 07:45 PM   #18 
     - and without a giant dot-com bubble economy, i'm imaging crickets in Nov next year  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 10:32 PM   #28 
        - "Lesser evil" sure isn't going to carry the day. Neither is Clintonion water treading. Midterms?  DirkGently   Apr-08-11 10:59 PM   #30 
           - "lesser evil"? it'd be one thing if Obama EVER spent ANY political capital on US  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 11:43 PM   #44 
     - Exactly... Pick a damn fight and I'll let you know which side I'm on.  russspeakeasy   Apr-09-11 09:54 AM   #71 
  - Playing not to lose doesn't fly when things are as bad as they are now. The time to smile sweetly  DirkGently   Apr-08-11 07:24 PM   #13 
  - bringing library books to a cage fight  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 12:30 AM   #47 
  - Then we should march in lockstep, no?  treestar   Apr-09-11 08:13 AM   #58 
     - Right, some of us are DINO's. Take the DLC for example. They call themselves  rhett o rick   Apr-09-11 09:13 AM   #64 
  - I'd rather imagine I am getting it on with my 22 year-old hot  rzemanfl   Apr-08-11 07:17 PM   #9 
  - link?  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 07:20 PM   #12 
     - You have to get your own imaginary girlfriend but here:  rzemanfl   Apr-08-11 07:44 PM   #17 
  - If the Democrats did THAT...  bvar22   Apr-08-11 08:21 PM   #20 
  - it'd be like UFO disclosure...we'd all be like "is THIS happening?"  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 10:21 PM   #25 
  - okay, that graphic is hilarious!  Poboy   Apr-08-11 11:09 PM   #34 
  - and then the space aliens came down and Obama grew a spine -- it was amazinnnnnng!  nashville_brook   Apr-08-11 11:14 PM   #39 
  - ...  bullwinkle428   Apr-08-11 11:12 PM   #36 
  - Must see gfx  grahamhgreen   Apr-08-11 11:13 PM   #37 
  - Okay -- THAT'S funny.  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 01:20 PM   #134 
  - But they didn't, which tells you exactly who's support they care about.. nt.  cyberpj   Apr-09-11 08:07 AM   #56 
  - Super K&R  Poboy   Apr-08-11 11:07 PM   #32 
  - The saddest thing - IF THEY DID NOTHING, the cuts would have expired, and they failed at that.  grahamhgreen   Apr-08-11 11:12 PM   #35 
  - an important notation of disgust!  Poboy   Apr-08-11 11:54 PM   #45 
  - Exactly. Why didn't they just sit with their hands in their laps  russspeakeasy   Apr-09-11 09:59 AM   #74 
  - Well, then they would've been Democrats---instead of weak, spineless, craven quislings.  WinkyDink   Apr-09-11 06:24 AM   #49 
  - Quislings is such an apt word!  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 11:08 AM   #97 
  - Thats exactly what they should do.  oldlib   Apr-09-11 06:44 AM   #53 
  - !  Poboy   Apr-09-11 07:34 AM   #54 
  - If there is one thing our Democratic President knows how to do it's how to demoralize  fasttense   Apr-09-11 07:59 AM   #55 
  - he has antipathy for anyone who expects him to get his hands dirty  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:05 AM   #76 
  - dems have given in already.  emald   Apr-09-11 08:54 AM   #61 
  - They should have.  Fuddnik   Apr-09-11 09:02 AM   #62 
  - oh, he'll get around to that (promise!) once we re-elect him!  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 09:16 AM   #66 
     - Yeah, I've been wondering what the slogan will be this time around as well  Lorien   Apr-09-11 01:11 PM   #131 
  - Sorry, in your little scenario when the Dems finally compromised you'd then be posting on DU about  KittyWampus   Apr-09-11 09:16 AM   #65 
  - actually, that's your "little world" -- in the real world, Dems want Dems to fight for us.  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 09:24 AM   #69 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-09-11 11:12 AM   #99 
     - Harry Truman STANDS with YOU!  bvar22   Apr-09-11 11:31 AM   #109 
        - my democratic roots are showing!  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 02:50 PM   #140 
  - As long as we frame this as a Democrat vs. Republican war, we have no chance.  rhett o rick   Apr-09-11 09:23 AM   #68 
  - this became obvious when the Dem Party abandoned WI b/c of WH pressure  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 09:43 AM   #70 
     - Lesson learned. Nobody's coming to help.  russspeakeasy   Apr-09-11 10:03 AM   #75 
     - BINGO  rhett o rick   Apr-09-11 10:19 AM   #86 
     - Abandoned WI? You have no grasp of the situation & its sad your posts are given credence.  KittyWampus   Apr-09-11 11:13 AM   #101 
        - did i miss the giant, victorious appearance of Obama "walking the picket line" in comfy shoes?  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 11:14 AM   #102 
           - No, but you missed the FACT that WI did not want him there.  KittyWampus   Apr-09-11 11:16 AM   #103 
              - oh right -- all those workers losing their rights, and the LAST they'd want is their president  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 11:18 AM   #104 
              - Did they want their President ordering Dems not to help at all?  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 11:40 AM   #115 
              - You speak for all of Wisconsin? Wow.  Lorien   Apr-09-11 01:17 PM   #133 
                 - +1, +1 and +1 -- three great points.  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 02:54 PM   #142 
  - I see that gov't and local  femrap   Apr-09-11 10:15 AM   #84 
  - Congress treats DC like their personal slave state - highest poverty + taxed w/no representation  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:25 AM   #88 
  - Outstanding observations and analysis.  Octafish   Apr-09-11 10:47 AM   #93 
  - thanks Octafish!  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 10:52 AM   #94 
  - The Bush tax cuts expired  ArcticFox   Apr-09-11 11:11 AM   #98 
  - Or the wars, or civil liberties, or closing tax loopholes, etc. Dems could use some brass.  I Drink Water   Apr-09-11 11:31 AM   #110 
  - The repukes are playing chicken  Jim_Shorts   Apr-09-11 11:36 AM   #112 
  - "OFFENSE." The best defense, some say. And the ONLY way to advance. Very well said.  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 11:44 AM   #117 
  - agree 100% -- it's up to the grassroots to move the debate to the left.  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 03:06 PM   #145 
  - Energized to make tax cuts for the wealthy permanent as well.  obxhead   Apr-09-11 11:43 AM   #116 
  - Does a government shutdown affect you personally? I think the people  ecstatic   Apr-09-11 11:50 AM   #118 
  - Then we will always lose, b/c Republicans will always threaten disaster.  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 12:01 PM   #120 
     - True. The problem is, the dems who have media access  ecstatic   Apr-09-11 12:10 PM   #122 
        - Yes. Which is the way I took the OP. Dems aren't driving the discussion, making demands.  DirkGently   Apr-09-11 12:13 PM   #124 
  - You obviously have not been watching news after the agreement.  bluestate10   Apr-09-11 12:15 PM   #125 
  - +100  d_b   Apr-09-11 12:30 PM   #128 
  - "And we're coming out of it with the knowledge that our party will meet them "more than halfway."  Citizen Worker   Apr-09-11 01:00 PM   #129 
  - agreed -- another problem is that those who really care can't stand to watch it anymore  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 03:53 PM   #153 
  - Imagine if a Dem Congress demanded ANYTHING. anything at all. just imagine.  piratefish08   Apr-09-11 01:03 PM   #130 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Apr-09-11 01:36 PM   #135 
  - there's only so much traction we'll be able to get from "the other guys suck"  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 02:37 PM   #138 
     - K&R for being a free thinker and not letting anyone push you around. I read what your post actually  louslobbs   Apr-09-11 03:21 PM   #147 
        - awww! thanks!  nashville_brook   Apr-09-11 03:28 PM   #150 
           - You are welcome nashville_brook.  louslobbs   Apr-09-11 03:48 PM   #151 
  - Invincible? And then how would you feel when the shutdown  pnwmom   Apr-09-11 01:43 PM   #136 
  - That would NOT happen IF...  bvar22   Apr-09-11 03:50 PM   #152 
  - That Would Have Been Politically Popular!  mckara   Apr-09-11 02:23 PM   #137 
  - Bravo! The perfect analogy that exactly describes what so many of us  Zorra   Apr-09-11 02:55 PM   #143 
  - Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours  inna   Apr-09-11 06:56 PM   #157 
 

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