rhett o rick
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Sat Apr-09-11 09:23 AM
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| 68. As long as we frame this as a Democrat vs. Republican war, we have no chance. |
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Edited on Sat Apr-09-11 09:23 AM by rhett o rick
The fact is our corporate overlords own a significant chunk of the Democratic Party. This is a war between the Ruling Class and the Lower Classes, and the members of Congress are members in good standing (at least most of them) in the RULING CLASS. Some are apparently willing to fight for us, but not most.
Why can there be major election fraud w/o major Democratic Party outcry? Because it is very important that the masses continue to think there is a possibility of controlling the government.
The DLC, a significant power in the Democratic Party, has been funded by our corporate overlords. It is absurd to think they represent the lower classes.
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| -Imagine if the Dem Congress shut down government demanding the end to Bush tax cuts for the rich |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 06:55 PM |
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Thats a completely out of touch assessment that is the opposite of the likely reality. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 07:02 PM |
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that's actually an out-of-touch swallowing hook-line-sinker of republican FRAMING |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:04 PM |
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And thats a poorly crafted. empty talking point that doesn't speak to what I actually said at all. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 09:04 PM |
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no, seriously -- your framing is 100% GOP-approved. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:23 PM |
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Lying to yourself about how the average voter thinks doesn't help progressive causes. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 11:08 PM |
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polls aren't reality, my friend. but if "public opinion" counts for anything, you're an outlier here |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:16 PM |
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When a significant number of them from various outlets consistently say the same thing, they are. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 11:42 PM |
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backatcha |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 12:19 AM |
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What makes you think that your interpretation of the "facts" are some how "better than" or superior |
louslobbs |
Apr-09-11 03:13 PM |
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did you miss the large republican gains last november? |
pasto76 |
Apr-09-11 10:14 AM |
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the 4-million pound gorillazasaurus in the room |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:20 AM |
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I agree with the poster. Add up another outlier. In reality, the poster |
bluestate10 |
Apr-09-11 12:30 PM |
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Oh, YOU KNOW, though? The "average voter" elected the FIRST AFRICAN -AMERICAN. I think that's not |
WinkyDink |
Apr-09-11 06:26 AM |
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Are you saying the center is racist? |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:08 AM |
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Polls? |
Enthusiast |
Apr-09-11 06:40 AM |
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precisely. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:17 AM |
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Did I fucking stutter? |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:08 AM |
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"a compromise" doesn't mean giving away the entire store. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:09 AM |
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You obviously don't know "what the entire store" even is. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:14 AM |
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the GOP knows Obama will not fight when they take hostages -- next up Debt Ceiling |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:30 AM |
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Tada. But Beltway logic on public opinion does not resemble our Earth logic. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:57 AM |
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lol |
fascisthunter |
Apr-09-11 09:03 AM |
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Progressives love to lie to themselves. Their first lie is that they |
bluestate10 |
Apr-09-11 12:27 PM |
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i absolutely LOVE this argument that "progressives are not the base" |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:39 PM |
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absolutely |
HankyDubs |
Apr-09-11 03:26 PM |
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When all people see is FAUX news then that's what they are going to think - |
TBF |
Apr-09-11 06:14 PM |
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We're not living in Clinton's first term. Obama & too many Dems fail to understand that. |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:12 PM |
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reasonable flexible grownups don't let the children steal all their money |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:27 PM |
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We might as well be. The only difference in the political culture is more cable news and internet. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 08:57 PM |
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oh yeah -- who MADE us extend the Bush tax cuts? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:31 PM |
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Basically the jobs recession. Refusing to extend unemployment and raising middle class taxes would.. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 10:57 PM |
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that's bullshit -- if Obama wanted to create jobs, he had 2 years to do so. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:05 PM |
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And he has. Historically, jobs always take awhile to fully recover after a deep recession. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 11:13 PM |
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keep hope alive |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:21 PM |
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There will be no middle class economic recovery |
Enthusiast |
Apr-09-11 06:20 AM |
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There will be no jobs recovery until we tariff. |
olegramps |
Apr-09-11 08:42 AM |
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damn good point. "free" trade is betrayal of all working americans. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:08 AM |
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I'm with you 100% |
Enthusiast |
Apr-09-11 04:11 PM |
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You have no clue what your talking about do you? |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:11 AM |
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is there a critique in there somewhere? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:36 AM |
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I just love this attitude |
HankyDubs |
Apr-09-11 03:00 PM |
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+1 |
nashville_brook |
Apr-10-11 09:58 AM |
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+1. The money needs to be back in circulation. The corporations need to pay |
Lorien |
Apr-09-11 01:13 PM |
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right now they're sitting more than $3 TRILLION -- where's the jobs? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:52 PM |
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Well for starts our government can stop rewarding corporations for shipping jobs overseas. |
RC |
Apr-09-11 11:27 AM |
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Disagree. you pass that as a stand alone bill. Simple. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-11 11:35 AM |
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Clinton was presiding over a prosperous, peaceful America. Notice anything different now? |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:11 PM |
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"Reasonable flexible grownups know when to raise their voices and tell the kids to cut the crap." |
Zenlitened |
Apr-08-11 09:14 PM |
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Most people are pretty stupid and/or disengaged. |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-08-11 08:00 PM |
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I don't have any illusions of there being a "path to victory" at all at this time. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 09:02 PM |
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oh gee -- like in 2008. lot of damn good that did us. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:31 PM |
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No because that didnt happen in 2008. We were about 5 progressive Senators shorts. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:16 AM |
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but the GOP can completely RUN the country into the ground with only the House. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:38 AM |
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No. Only someone that doesn't understand how legislation works would need to wonder. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:53 AM |
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yes, we all know that -- so, why can't Dems apply that pressure when they're in control of the House |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:13 AM |
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Except thats utter bullshit. A great deal of progressive stuff passed Nancy Pelosi's house. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 11:21 AM |
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Republicans in the wilderness never take that tact. They work to always advance their agenda and to |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-09-11 10:39 AM |
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"tactical victory over strategic defeat." The essence of the "you just don't understand politics" |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:05 PM |
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Most people - 81% - want to tax the rich. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-11 11:37 AM |
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Clinton gave us 8 years of, wait for it, PEACE AND PROSPERITY. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-09-11 06:25 AM |
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Perceptions are created by actions. |
tcaudilllg |
Apr-09-11 09:55 AM |
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So much for the fight Obama was "ready to have". |
tcaudilllg |
Apr-09-11 09:58 AM |
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Most people - 81% - want to tax the rich. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-11 11:38 AM |
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*Sigh of disgust*. Because 14 Democratic Senators from Wisconsin went AWOL |
Zorra |
Apr-09-11 03:25 PM |
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spot on! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-10-11 10:00 AM |
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Only because people like you are naysayers. n/t |
Scuba |
Apr-09-11 06:38 PM |
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Great analysis |
Zax2me |
Apr-10-11 10:00 AM |
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we are in desperate need of our own tea party |
sasha031 |
Apr-08-11 07:03 PM |
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not just beautiful -- but it would have made it impossible for the GOP to argue for these cuts |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:07 PM |
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when the tax cuts were extended we knew we would end up here |
sasha031 |
Apr-08-11 07:11 PM |
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i've been taking in dialogue on other progressive sites lately, and am floored at the |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:19 PM |
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Right there with you, sasha. Obama compromise = capitulation. |
SusanaMontana41 |
Apr-09-11 10:23 AM |
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Why is no one trotting the Defense Spending elephant around the room whenever Republicans start |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:38 PM |
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Okay, who here has dem reps and/ or senators? |
cameozalaznick |
Apr-09-11 11:08 AM |
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I think we all do those things. And we discuss it here as well. Calling it "bitching" is a non-point |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:29 AM |
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Maybe the fact that we don't |
treestar |
Apr-09-11 08:12 AM |
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A part of me is envious of the way reThugs stand firm for the wishes |
mazzarro |
Apr-08-11 07:12 PM |
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They know how to stand as one they know how to spout the talking points, |
gateley |
Apr-08-11 07:15 PM |
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as the saying goes getting Democrats together is like herding cats |
sasha031 |
Apr-08-11 07:19 PM |
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The demand to criticize and not march in lock step |
treestar |
Apr-09-11 08:14 AM |
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what's happening is that Dems are coming to believe that our party feeds from the same trough |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:37 PM |
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Precisely. People don't vote defensively. They vote for principled ACTION. |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:45 PM |
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and without a giant dot-com bubble economy, i'm imaging crickets in Nov next year |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:32 PM |
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"Lesser evil" sure isn't going to carry the day. Neither is Clintonion water treading. Midterms? |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 10:59 PM |
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"lesser evil"? it'd be one thing if Obama EVER spent ANY political capital on US |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:43 PM |
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Exactly... Pick a damn fight and I'll let you know which side I'm on. |
russspeakeasy |
Apr-09-11 09:54 AM |
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Playing not to lose doesn't fly when things are as bad as they are now. The time to smile sweetly |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:24 PM |
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bringing library books to a cage fight |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 12:30 AM |
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Then we should march in lockstep, no? |
treestar |
Apr-09-11 08:13 AM |
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Right, some of us are DINO's. Take the DLC for example. They call themselves |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-11 09:13 AM |
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I'd rather imagine I am getting it on with my 22 year-old hot |
rzemanfl |
Apr-08-11 07:17 PM |
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link? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:20 PM |
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You have to get your own imaginary girlfriend but here: |
rzemanfl |
Apr-08-11 07:44 PM |
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If the Democrats did THAT... |
bvar22 |
Apr-08-11 08:21 PM |
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it'd be like UFO disclosure...we'd all be like "is THIS happening?" |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:21 PM |
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okay, that graphic is hilarious! |
Poboy |
Apr-08-11 11:09 PM |
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and then the space aliens came down and Obama grew a spine -- it was amazinnnnnng! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:14 PM |
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... |
bullwinkle428 |
Apr-08-11 11:12 PM |
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Must see gfx |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-08-11 11:13 PM |
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Okay -- THAT'S funny. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 01:20 PM |
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But they didn't, which tells you exactly who's support they care about.. nt. |
cyberpj |
Apr-09-11 08:07 AM |
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Super K&R |
Poboy |
Apr-08-11 11:07 PM |
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The saddest thing - IF THEY DID NOTHING, the cuts would have expired, and they failed at that. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-08-11 11:12 PM |
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an important notation of disgust! |
Poboy |
Apr-08-11 11:54 PM |
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Exactly. Why didn't they just sit with their hands in their laps |
russspeakeasy |
Apr-09-11 09:59 AM |
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Well, then they would've been Democrats---instead of weak, spineless, craven quislings. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-09-11 06:24 AM |
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Quislings is such an apt word! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:08 AM |
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Thats exactly what they should do. |
oldlib |
Apr-09-11 06:44 AM |
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! |
Poboy |
Apr-09-11 07:34 AM |
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If there is one thing our Democratic President knows how to do it's how to demoralize |
fasttense |
Apr-09-11 07:59 AM |
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he has antipathy for anyone who expects him to get his hands dirty |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:05 AM |
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dems have given in already. |
emald |
Apr-09-11 08:54 AM |
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They should have. |
Fuddnik |
Apr-09-11 09:02 AM |
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oh, he'll get around to that (promise!) once we re-elect him! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:16 AM |
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Yeah, I've been wondering what the slogan will be this time around as well |
Lorien |
Apr-09-11 01:11 PM |
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Sorry, in your little scenario when the Dems finally compromised you'd then be posting on DU about |
KittyWampus |
Apr-09-11 09:16 AM |
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actually, that's your "little world" -- in the real world, Dems want Dems to fight for us. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:24 AM |
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Name removed |
Apr-09-11 11:12 AM |
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Harry Truman STANDS with YOU! |
bvar22 |
Apr-09-11 11:31 AM |
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my democratic roots are showing! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:50 PM |
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As long as we frame this as a Democrat vs. Republican war, we have no chance. |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-11 09:23 AM |
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this became obvious when the Dem Party abandoned WI b/c of WH pressure |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:43 AM |
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Lesson learned. Nobody's coming to help. |
russspeakeasy |
Apr-09-11 10:03 AM |
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BINGO |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-11 10:19 AM |
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Abandoned WI? You have no grasp of the situation & its sad your posts are given credence. |
KittyWampus |
Apr-09-11 11:13 AM |
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did i miss the giant, victorious appearance of Obama "walking the picket line" in comfy shoes? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:14 AM |
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No, but you missed the FACT that WI did not want him there. |
KittyWampus |
Apr-09-11 11:16 AM |
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oh right -- all those workers losing their rights, and the LAST they'd want is their president |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:18 AM |
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Did they want their President ordering Dems not to help at all? |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:40 AM |
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You speak for all of Wisconsin? Wow. |
Lorien |
Apr-09-11 01:17 PM |
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+1, +1 and +1 -- three great points. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:54 PM |
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I see that gov't and local |
femrap |
Apr-09-11 10:15 AM |
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Congress treats DC like their personal slave state - highest poverty + taxed w/no representation |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:25 AM |
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Outstanding observations and analysis. |
Octafish |
Apr-09-11 10:47 AM |
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thanks Octafish! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:52 AM |
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The Bush tax cuts expired |
ArcticFox |
Apr-09-11 11:11 AM |
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Or the wars, or civil liberties, or closing tax loopholes, etc. Dems could use some brass. |
I Drink Water |
Apr-09-11 11:31 AM |
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The repukes are playing chicken |
Jim_Shorts |
Apr-09-11 11:36 AM |
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"OFFENSE." The best defense, some say. And the ONLY way to advance. Very well said. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:44 AM |
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agree 100% -- it's up to the grassroots to move the debate to the left. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 03:06 PM |
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Energized to make tax cuts for the wealthy permanent as well. |
obxhead |
Apr-09-11 11:43 AM |
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Does a government shutdown affect you personally? I think the people |
ecstatic |
Apr-09-11 11:50 AM |
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Then we will always lose, b/c Republicans will always threaten disaster. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:01 PM |
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True. The problem is, the dems who have media access |
ecstatic |
Apr-09-11 12:10 PM |
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Yes. Which is the way I took the OP. Dems aren't driving the discussion, making demands. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:13 PM |
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You obviously have not been watching news after the agreement. |
bluestate10 |
Apr-09-11 12:15 PM |
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+100 |
d_b |
Apr-09-11 12:30 PM |
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"And we're coming out of it with the knowledge that our party will meet them "more than halfway." |
Citizen Worker |
Apr-09-11 01:00 PM |
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agreed -- another problem is that those who really care can't stand to watch it anymore |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 03:53 PM |
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Imagine if a Dem Congress demanded ANYTHING. anything at all. just imagine. |
piratefish08 |
Apr-09-11 01:03 PM |
#130 |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Apr-09-11 01:36 PM |
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there's only so much traction we'll be able to get from "the other guys suck" |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:37 PM |
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K&R for being a free thinker and not letting anyone push you around. I read what your post actually |
louslobbs |
Apr-09-11 03:21 PM |
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awww! thanks! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 03:28 PM |
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You are welcome nashville_brook. |
louslobbs |
Apr-09-11 03:48 PM |
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Invincible? And then how would you feel when the shutdown |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-11 01:43 PM |
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That would NOT happen IF... |
bvar22 |
Apr-09-11 03:50 PM |
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That Would Have Been Politically Popular! |
mckara |
Apr-09-11 02:23 PM |
#137 |
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Bravo! The perfect analogy that exactly describes what so many of us |
Zorra |
Apr-09-11 02:55 PM |
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Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours |
inna |
Apr-09-11 06:56 PM |
#157 |
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