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Fri Apr-08-11 07:15 PM
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| 8. They know how to stand as one they know how to spout the talking points, |
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they're really good at that. Why we don't take notice and do the same is beyond me.
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| -Imagine if the Dem Congress shut down government demanding the end to Bush tax cuts for the rich |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 06:55 PM |
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Thats a completely out of touch assessment that is the opposite of the likely reality. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 07:02 PM |
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that's actually an out-of-touch swallowing hook-line-sinker of republican FRAMING |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:04 PM |
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And thats a poorly crafted. empty talking point that doesn't speak to what I actually said at all. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 09:04 PM |
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no, seriously -- your framing is 100% GOP-approved. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:23 PM |
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Lying to yourself about how the average voter thinks doesn't help progressive causes. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 11:08 PM |
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polls aren't reality, my friend. but if "public opinion" counts for anything, you're an outlier here |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:16 PM |
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When a significant number of them from various outlets consistently say the same thing, they are. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 11:42 PM |
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backatcha |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 12:19 AM |
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What makes you think that your interpretation of the "facts" are some how "better than" or superior |
louslobbs |
Apr-09-11 03:13 PM |
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did you miss the large republican gains last november? |
pasto76 |
Apr-09-11 10:14 AM |
#83 |
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the 4-million pound gorillazasaurus in the room |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:20 AM |
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I agree with the poster. Add up another outlier. In reality, the poster |
bluestate10 |
Apr-09-11 12:30 PM |
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Oh, YOU KNOW, though? The "average voter" elected the FIRST AFRICAN -AMERICAN. I think that's not |
WinkyDink |
Apr-09-11 06:26 AM |
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Are you saying the center is racist? |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:08 AM |
#78 |
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Polls? |
Enthusiast |
Apr-09-11 06:40 AM |
#52 |
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precisely. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:17 AM |
#67 |
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Did I fucking stutter? |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:08 AM |
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"a compromise" doesn't mean giving away the entire store. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:09 AM |
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You obviously don't know "what the entire store" even is. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:14 AM |
#82 |
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the GOP knows Obama will not fight when they take hostages -- next up Debt Ceiling |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:30 AM |
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Tada. But Beltway logic on public opinion does not resemble our Earth logic. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:57 AM |
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lol |
fascisthunter |
Apr-09-11 09:03 AM |
#63 |
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Progressives love to lie to themselves. Their first lie is that they |
bluestate10 |
Apr-09-11 12:27 PM |
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i absolutely LOVE this argument that "progressives are not the base" |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:39 PM |
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absolutely |
HankyDubs |
Apr-09-11 03:26 PM |
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When all people see is FAUX news then that's what they are going to think - |
TBF |
Apr-09-11 06:14 PM |
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We're not living in Clinton's first term. Obama & too many Dems fail to understand that. |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:12 PM |
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reasonable flexible grownups don't let the children steal all their money |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:27 PM |
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We might as well be. The only difference in the political culture is more cable news and internet. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 08:57 PM |
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oh yeah -- who MADE us extend the Bush tax cuts? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:31 PM |
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Basically the jobs recession. Refusing to extend unemployment and raising middle class taxes would.. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 10:57 PM |
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that's bullshit -- if Obama wanted to create jobs, he had 2 years to do so. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:05 PM |
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And he has. Historically, jobs always take awhile to fully recover after a deep recession. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 11:13 PM |
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keep hope alive |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:21 PM |
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There will be no middle class economic recovery |
Enthusiast |
Apr-09-11 06:20 AM |
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There will be no jobs recovery until we tariff. |
olegramps |
Apr-09-11 08:42 AM |
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damn good point. "free" trade is betrayal of all working americans. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:08 AM |
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I'm with you 100% |
Enthusiast |
Apr-09-11 04:11 PM |
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You have no clue what your talking about do you? |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:11 AM |
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is there a critique in there somewhere? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:36 AM |
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I just love this attitude |
HankyDubs |
Apr-09-11 03:00 PM |
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+1 |
nashville_brook |
Apr-10-11 09:58 AM |
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+1. The money needs to be back in circulation. The corporations need to pay |
Lorien |
Apr-09-11 01:13 PM |
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right now they're sitting more than $3 TRILLION -- where's the jobs? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:52 PM |
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Well for starts our government can stop rewarding corporations for shipping jobs overseas. |
RC |
Apr-09-11 11:27 AM |
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Disagree. you pass that as a stand alone bill. Simple. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-11 11:35 AM |
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Clinton was presiding over a prosperous, peaceful America. Notice anything different now? |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:11 PM |
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"Reasonable flexible grownups know when to raise their voices and tell the kids to cut the crap." |
Zenlitened |
Apr-08-11 09:14 PM |
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Most people are pretty stupid and/or disengaged. |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-08-11 08:00 PM |
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I don't have any illusions of there being a "path to victory" at all at this time. |
phleshdef |
Apr-08-11 09:02 PM |
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oh gee -- like in 2008. lot of damn good that did us. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:31 PM |
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No because that didnt happen in 2008. We were about 5 progressive Senators shorts. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:16 AM |
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but the GOP can completely RUN the country into the ground with only the House. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:38 AM |
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No. Only someone that doesn't understand how legislation works would need to wonder. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 10:53 AM |
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yes, we all know that -- so, why can't Dems apply that pressure when they're in control of the House |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:13 AM |
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Except thats utter bullshit. A great deal of progressive stuff passed Nancy Pelosi's house. |
phleshdef |
Apr-09-11 11:21 AM |
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Republicans in the wilderness never take that tact. They work to always advance their agenda and to |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-09-11 10:39 AM |
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"tactical victory over strategic defeat." The essence of the "you just don't understand politics" |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:05 PM |
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Most people - 81% - want to tax the rich. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-11 11:37 AM |
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Clinton gave us 8 years of, wait for it, PEACE AND PROSPERITY. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-09-11 06:25 AM |
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Perceptions are created by actions. |
tcaudilllg |
Apr-09-11 09:55 AM |
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So much for the fight Obama was "ready to have". |
tcaudilllg |
Apr-09-11 09:58 AM |
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Most people - 81% - want to tax the rich. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-11 11:38 AM |
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*Sigh of disgust*. Because 14 Democratic Senators from Wisconsin went AWOL |
Zorra |
Apr-09-11 03:25 PM |
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spot on! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-10-11 10:00 AM |
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Only because people like you are naysayers. n/t |
Scuba |
Apr-09-11 06:38 PM |
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Great analysis |
Zax2me |
Apr-10-11 10:00 AM |
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we are in desperate need of our own tea party |
sasha031 |
Apr-08-11 07:03 PM |
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not just beautiful -- but it would have made it impossible for the GOP to argue for these cuts |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:07 PM |
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when the tax cuts were extended we knew we would end up here |
sasha031 |
Apr-08-11 07:11 PM |
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i've been taking in dialogue on other progressive sites lately, and am floored at the |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:19 PM |
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Right there with you, sasha. Obama compromise = capitulation. |
SusanaMontana41 |
Apr-09-11 10:23 AM |
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Why is no one trotting the Defense Spending elephant around the room whenever Republicans start |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:38 PM |
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Okay, who here has dem reps and/ or senators? |
cameozalaznick |
Apr-09-11 11:08 AM |
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I think we all do those things. And we discuss it here as well. Calling it "bitching" is a non-point |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:29 AM |
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Maybe the fact that we don't |
treestar |
Apr-09-11 08:12 AM |
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A part of me is envious of the way reThugs stand firm for the wishes |
mazzarro |
Apr-08-11 07:12 PM |
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They know how to stand as one they know how to spout the talking points, |
gateley |
Apr-08-11 07:15 PM |
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as the saying goes getting Democrats together is like herding cats |
sasha031 |
Apr-08-11 07:19 PM |
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The demand to criticize and not march in lock step |
treestar |
Apr-09-11 08:14 AM |
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what's happening is that Dems are coming to believe that our party feeds from the same trough |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:37 PM |
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Precisely. People don't vote defensively. They vote for principled ACTION. |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:45 PM |
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and without a giant dot-com bubble economy, i'm imaging crickets in Nov next year |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:32 PM |
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"Lesser evil" sure isn't going to carry the day. Neither is Clintonion water treading. Midterms? |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 10:59 PM |
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"lesser evil"? it'd be one thing if Obama EVER spent ANY political capital on US |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:43 PM |
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Exactly... Pick a damn fight and I'll let you know which side I'm on. |
russspeakeasy |
Apr-09-11 09:54 AM |
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Playing not to lose doesn't fly when things are as bad as they are now. The time to smile sweetly |
DirkGently |
Apr-08-11 07:24 PM |
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bringing library books to a cage fight |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 12:30 AM |
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Then we should march in lockstep, no? |
treestar |
Apr-09-11 08:13 AM |
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Right, some of us are DINO's. Take the DLC for example. They call themselves |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-11 09:13 AM |
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I'd rather imagine I am getting it on with my 22 year-old hot |
rzemanfl |
Apr-08-11 07:17 PM |
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link? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 07:20 PM |
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You have to get your own imaginary girlfriend but here: |
rzemanfl |
Apr-08-11 07:44 PM |
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If the Democrats did THAT... |
bvar22 |
Apr-08-11 08:21 PM |
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it'd be like UFO disclosure...we'd all be like "is THIS happening?" |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 10:21 PM |
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okay, that graphic is hilarious! |
Poboy |
Apr-08-11 11:09 PM |
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and then the space aliens came down and Obama grew a spine -- it was amazinnnnnng! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-08-11 11:14 PM |
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... |
bullwinkle428 |
Apr-08-11 11:12 PM |
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Must see gfx |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-08-11 11:13 PM |
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Okay -- THAT'S funny. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 01:20 PM |
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But they didn't, which tells you exactly who's support they care about.. nt. |
cyberpj |
Apr-09-11 08:07 AM |
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Super K&R |
Poboy |
Apr-08-11 11:07 PM |
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The saddest thing - IF THEY DID NOTHING, the cuts would have expired, and they failed at that. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-08-11 11:12 PM |
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an important notation of disgust! |
Poboy |
Apr-08-11 11:54 PM |
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Exactly. Why didn't they just sit with their hands in their laps |
russspeakeasy |
Apr-09-11 09:59 AM |
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Well, then they would've been Democrats---instead of weak, spineless, craven quislings. |
WinkyDink |
Apr-09-11 06:24 AM |
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Quislings is such an apt word! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:08 AM |
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Thats exactly what they should do. |
oldlib |
Apr-09-11 06:44 AM |
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! |
Poboy |
Apr-09-11 07:34 AM |
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If there is one thing our Democratic President knows how to do it's how to demoralize |
fasttense |
Apr-09-11 07:59 AM |
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he has antipathy for anyone who expects him to get his hands dirty |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:05 AM |
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dems have given in already. |
emald |
Apr-09-11 08:54 AM |
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They should have. |
Fuddnik |
Apr-09-11 09:02 AM |
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oh, he'll get around to that (promise!) once we re-elect him! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:16 AM |
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Yeah, I've been wondering what the slogan will be this time around as well |
Lorien |
Apr-09-11 01:11 PM |
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Sorry, in your little scenario when the Dems finally compromised you'd then be posting on DU about |
KittyWampus |
Apr-09-11 09:16 AM |
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actually, that's your "little world" -- in the real world, Dems want Dems to fight for us. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:24 AM |
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Name removed |
Apr-09-11 11:12 AM |
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Harry Truman STANDS with YOU! |
bvar22 |
Apr-09-11 11:31 AM |
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my democratic roots are showing! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:50 PM |
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As long as we frame this as a Democrat vs. Republican war, we have no chance. |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-11 09:23 AM |
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this became obvious when the Dem Party abandoned WI b/c of WH pressure |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 09:43 AM |
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Lesson learned. Nobody's coming to help. |
russspeakeasy |
Apr-09-11 10:03 AM |
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BINGO |
rhett o rick |
Apr-09-11 10:19 AM |
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Abandoned WI? You have no grasp of the situation & its sad your posts are given credence. |
KittyWampus |
Apr-09-11 11:13 AM |
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did i miss the giant, victorious appearance of Obama "walking the picket line" in comfy shoes? |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:14 AM |
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No, but you missed the FACT that WI did not want him there. |
KittyWampus |
Apr-09-11 11:16 AM |
#103 |
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oh right -- all those workers losing their rights, and the LAST they'd want is their president |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 11:18 AM |
#104 |
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Did they want their President ordering Dems not to help at all? |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:40 AM |
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You speak for all of Wisconsin? Wow. |
Lorien |
Apr-09-11 01:17 PM |
#133 |
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+1, +1 and +1 -- three great points. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:54 PM |
#142 |
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I see that gov't and local |
femrap |
Apr-09-11 10:15 AM |
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Congress treats DC like their personal slave state - highest poverty + taxed w/no representation |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:25 AM |
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Outstanding observations and analysis. |
Octafish |
Apr-09-11 10:47 AM |
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thanks Octafish! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 10:52 AM |
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The Bush tax cuts expired |
ArcticFox |
Apr-09-11 11:11 AM |
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Or the wars, or civil liberties, or closing tax loopholes, etc. Dems could use some brass. |
I Drink Water |
Apr-09-11 11:31 AM |
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The repukes are playing chicken |
Jim_Shorts |
Apr-09-11 11:36 AM |
#112 |
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"OFFENSE." The best defense, some say. And the ONLY way to advance. Very well said. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 11:44 AM |
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agree 100% -- it's up to the grassroots to move the debate to the left. |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 03:06 PM |
#145 |
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Energized to make tax cuts for the wealthy permanent as well. |
obxhead |
Apr-09-11 11:43 AM |
#116 |
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Does a government shutdown affect you personally? I think the people |
ecstatic |
Apr-09-11 11:50 AM |
#118 |
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Then we will always lose, b/c Republicans will always threaten disaster. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:01 PM |
#120 |
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True. The problem is, the dems who have media access |
ecstatic |
Apr-09-11 12:10 PM |
#122 |
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Yes. Which is the way I took the OP. Dems aren't driving the discussion, making demands. |
DirkGently |
Apr-09-11 12:13 PM |
#124 |
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You obviously have not been watching news after the agreement. |
bluestate10 |
Apr-09-11 12:15 PM |
#125 |
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+100 |
d_b |
Apr-09-11 12:30 PM |
#128 |
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"And we're coming out of it with the knowledge that our party will meet them "more than halfway." |
Citizen Worker |
Apr-09-11 01:00 PM |
#129 |
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agreed -- another problem is that those who really care can't stand to watch it anymore |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 03:53 PM |
#153 |
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Imagine if a Dem Congress demanded ANYTHING. anything at all. just imagine. |
piratefish08 |
Apr-09-11 01:03 PM |
#130 |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Apr-09-11 01:36 PM |
#135 |
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there's only so much traction we'll be able to get from "the other guys suck" |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 02:37 PM |
#138 |
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K&R for being a free thinker and not letting anyone push you around. I read what your post actually |
louslobbs |
Apr-09-11 03:21 PM |
#147 |
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awww! thanks! |
nashville_brook |
Apr-09-11 03:28 PM |
#150 |
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You are welcome nashville_brook. |
louslobbs |
Apr-09-11 03:48 PM |
#151 |
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Invincible? And then how would you feel when the shutdown |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-11 01:43 PM |
#136 |
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That would NOT happen IF... |
bvar22 |
Apr-09-11 03:50 PM |
#152 |
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That Would Have Been Politically Popular! |
mckara |
Apr-09-11 02:23 PM |
#137 |
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Bravo! The perfect analogy that exactly describes what so many of us |
Zorra |
Apr-09-11 02:55 PM |
#143 |
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Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours |
inna |
Apr-09-11 06:56 PM |
#157 |
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