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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-11 11:20 PM
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12. Overall, his influence on the election was minor, and that grievance
is sour grapes.

We still would have won if;

1. Gore had campaigned harder, and pulled in any possible favors with people with media ties to influence editors to get the blatantly fixed media hostility either squashed or equalized.

2. Gore had accepted Bill Clinton's help campaigning.

3. Our party had fought like hell in Florida and never given up the fight to count every vote.

Blaming Nader is a continuation of the ongoing trend to constantly bash anything and everything that comes from the left as the bane of everything Democratic.

The Democratic party can never seem to take responsibility for anything, and certainly not for it's own actions and decisions. Isn't it about time now for our party to start to start acting like it is run by adults and start admitting some responsibility?

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  -Party Over Principle: Democrats Going All Scientology on Nader For 11 Years Now AlabamaLibrul  Apr-05-11 10:54 PM   #0 
  - True enough. There are nuttier figures out there.  sudopod   Apr-05-11 10:56 PM   #1 
  - I think you mean Gore instead of Kerry. Other than that  white_wolf   Apr-05-11 10:56 PM   #2 
  - Yes, I did. Thank you.  AlabamaLibrul   Apr-05-11 10:58 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-05-11 11:01 PM   #4 
  - Nader helped make it possible for bush "win" in 2000.  Skip Intro   Apr-05-11 11:01 PM   #5 
  - Overall, his influence on the election was minor, and that grievance  ThomCat   Apr-05-11 11:20 PM   #12 
  - You could add  rpannier   Apr-05-11 11:31 PM   #14 
  - I should also add 4. Contested blatantly stolen votes.  ThomCat   Apr-06-11 12:25 AM   #22 
  - No, Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, and the SCOTUS did  FLAprogressive   Apr-05-11 11:33 PM   #15 
  - So you are against democracy  Ramulux   Apr-06-11 12:36 AM   #24 
     - Yes, of course I am.  Skip Intro   Apr-06-11 12:46 AM   #27 
     - That's like our saying that you're against the First Amendment.  Jim Lane   Apr-06-11 02:33 AM   #40 
  - Nader: Impeach Obama for 'war crimes'  ProSense   Apr-05-11 11:03 PM   #6 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-05-11 11:27 PM   #13 
  - That wall street reform bill  ThomCat   Apr-05-11 11:41 PM   #16 
  - "does not re-install Glass-Steagall, or anything equivalent."  ProSense   Apr-06-11 12:02 AM   #18 
     - The Voker rule got watered down to almost nothing.  ThomCat   Apr-06-11 12:20 AM   #20 
     - Nonsense  ProSense   Apr-06-11 12:31 AM   #23 
        - Got even the slightest bit of evidence for that?  ThomCat   Apr-06-11 12:40 AM   #26 
     - Exactly -- and in fact Rahm Emmanuel "crows" to business about how much more they'll  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:39 AM   #34 
  - In no way am I calling for POTUS Obama to be impeached  PufPuf23   Apr-06-11 12:01 AM   #17 
  - Obama/Dems have kept these wars going now two years past Bush -- why?  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:40 AM   #35 
  - The Wall Street Reform Bill is more reform that isn't -- and it's by Sen. Dodd -- !!  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:36 AM   #30 
  - Nader was great when he was just a consumer advocate.  Shiver   Apr-05-11 11:05 PM   #7 
  - There was absolutely no way BushCo was going to let Gore win that election.  EFerrari   Apr-05-11 11:13 PM   #10 
  - This is very true.  ThomCat   Apr-06-11 12:22 AM   #21 
  - Nader has always been concerned with civil rights, human rights, issues of justice ...  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:43 AM   #37 
     - Yeah, he's concerned with busting unions too.  Shiver   Apr-06-11 09:46 AM   #47 
        - What businesses did Nader ever run that weren't public citizen organizations?  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:34 PM   #48 
  - Nader is for Nader. nt  onehandle   Apr-05-11 11:07 PM   #8 
  - Obama is for Obama --  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:37 AM   #32 
  - Choicepoint (DBT) stole the election, along with  upi402   Apr-05-11 11:10 PM   #9 
  - Bush stole the election - Gore won once count was final. Nader had no effect  slay   Apr-05-11 11:16 PM   #11 
  - Nader is a fraud and always was  The Second Stone   Apr-06-11 12:14 AM   #19 
  - Nader has been one of our major truth tellers for decades -- and as we can see right now ...  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:45 AM   #38 
  - Democrats dont believe in democray  Ramulux   Apr-06-11 12:40 AM   #25 
  - Truth hurts  upi402   Apr-06-11 01:31 AM   #28 
  - Democratic Party scapegoated Nader to avoid having to face questions re 2000 --  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:34 AM   #29 
  - Nader doesn't care about achieving progress toward principle, he just cares about pushing whats his.  phleshdef   Apr-06-11 01:36 AM   #31 
  - Nader cares -- that's why the Democratic Party wants to knock him out ... too many embarrassing Q's  defendandprotect   Apr-06-11 01:38 AM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-11 01:42 AM   #36 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-11 01:46 AM   #39 
  - Calling Nader "fringe left" is like calling Obama a socialist  ReggieVeggie   Apr-06-11 01:38 PM   #51 
     - I'm not talking specifically about him, but more about what comes out of his mouth.  phleshdef   Apr-06-11 02:52 PM   #55 
  - How are those conflicting statements? Had Nader not run, there wouldn't have even been a recount.  BzaDem   Apr-06-11 02:38 AM   #41 
  - Like they couldn't steal a paltry and mathematically insignificant number of votes to make up for it  TheKentuckian   Apr-06-11 07:04 AM   #42 
  - The answer is simple.  BzaDem   Apr-07-11 08:09 AM   #57 
  - bull shit!  ReggieVeggie   Apr-06-11 01:40 PM   #52 
     - Sometimes, an argument is made for 10 years because it is entirely factually true.  BzaDem   Apr-07-11 08:04 AM   #56 
  - his arrogance, his taking money from repubs  cali   Apr-06-11 07:05 AM   #43 
  - uh, you do realize Democrats take money from Repubs, right?  ReggieVeggie   Apr-06-11 01:41 PM   #54 
  - Nader is too narrowly principled for democrats to tolerate.  CBGLuthier   Apr-06-11 07:09 AM   #44 
  - Nader is an useful idiot's idiot. n/t  JTFrog   Apr-06-11 07:12 AM   #45 
  - He's like the ground hog, except he only comes out to see he shadow every 4 years.  JoePhilly   Apr-06-11 07:17 AM   #46 
  - Ralph Nader and his stupid "both parties is the same VOTE FOR MEEEEEEE"  Arkana   Apr-06-11 01:36 PM   #49 
  - More like the Pacific Ocean.....  BlueDemKev   Apr-07-11 08:26 AM   #58 
  - Please don't confuse democrats with DU's outrage of the day.  sufrommich   Apr-06-11 01:36 PM   #50 
  - Ralph Nader is DU's very own Emmanuel Goldstein.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-06-11 01:41 PM   #53 

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