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Mon Apr-04-11 05:16 PM
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I have long tried to reconcile Tolkein and CS Lewis. They were contemporaries, friends, but their visions could not have been more different. Perhaps there is subtle meeting ground.
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| -JRR Tolkien about the role of Tom Bombadil in Lord of the Rings (yes this is GD material). |
howard112211 |
Apr-04-11 09:25 AM |
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I Always Wished The Movies Hadn't Cut Tom Bombadil Out |
ChoppinBroccoli |
Apr-04-11 10:02 AM |
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I agree, he was one of my favs, and do not understand |
Ghost of Tom Joad |
Apr-04-11 01:43 PM |
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He doesn't move the action forward one bit.... |
Orsino |
Apr-04-11 02:00 PM |
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Bombadil presented another problem to the filmmakers as well |
jobendorfer |
Apr-04-11 02:27 PM |
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The story is divided in six books |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 03:23 AM |
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"Magic swords are meant to be earned, not handed out by NPCs" |
MilesColtrane |
Apr-05-11 11:22 PM |
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That's why I didn't like the movie.... |
LisaM |
Apr-05-11 03:40 PM |
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Because... |
CJvR |
Apr-05-11 05:49 AM |
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Well I'll second that. Or third it, whichever........ |
socialist_n_TN |
Apr-04-11 01:57 PM |
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Let's face it: By the third part the movie version was interminable. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 04:04 AM |
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Honestly, I think the last one won all the Oscars because it was the |
Ilsa |
Apr-05-11 06:45 PM |
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Odd. Most people I've spoken to hate that character. |
Codeine |
Apr-05-11 02:22 PM |
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Boy, not me. Bombadil would've been a bizarre detour in a story |
Marr |
Apr-05-11 05:40 PM |
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I find it curious that the main critics of pacifists |
raouldukelives |
Apr-04-11 10:02 AM |
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I would like to point out |
PVnRT |
Apr-04-11 10:32 AM |
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This argument has been rebunked several times. |
white_wolf |
Apr-04-11 10:37 AM |
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The argument falls apart even more if one takes the LOTR mythology (Silmarillion) into consideration |
howard112211 |
Apr-04-11 10:45 AM |
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I notice that no where in the Silmarillion is Tom Bombadil mentioned |
Bandit |
Apr-04-11 11:00 AM |
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Look at the wikipedia article quoted in the OP. There is a section about |
howard112211 |
Apr-04-11 11:09 AM |
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Except doesn't Elrond say that Tom doesn't have the power to defy Sauron? |
white_wolf |
Apr-04-11 12:44 PM |
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Well, ... |
howard112211 |
Apr-04-11 01:28 PM |
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I Thought it was HE who decided not to get involved with earthly creatures |
fascisthunter |
Apr-05-11 04:06 PM |
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Good OP and you make a good point |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-04-11 01:45 PM |
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Hm, I think the problem you may be having is figuring out who's Sauron in the real world. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-04-11 04:58 PM |
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I didn't say anything about Libya, though, did I? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-04-11 11:17 PM |
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I didn't say you did. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 02:39 AM |
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You sure made a lot of assumptions about my post |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-05-11 12:46 PM |
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Okay, let's keep it simple. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 03:23 PM |
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The only one reading "support for US military actions" into my post is you |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-05-11 04:09 PM |
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I get it. If you stay vague, you can never be wrong. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 04:26 PM |
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I mean exactly what I said - try reading it instead of filling in your own words |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-05-11 07:36 PM |
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Your use of "non-pacifist" remains vague. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 07:50 PM |
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For the LAST TIME: I am NOT interested in YOUR "specifics" |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-05-11 07:57 PM |
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Obviously you're not interested in any specifics. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 08:12 PM |
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Well, there's also the example of the ents... |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 05:00 AM |
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So Aragorn, Gandalf, etc. were "warmongers"? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-05-11 12:48 PM |
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No, in this case they had more facts to start with, I'd say. |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 02:20 PM |
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True... |
WildEyedLiberal |
Apr-05-11 04:05 PM |
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No. But the US isn't Aragorn, Gandalf, etc. The Pentagon is not Minas Tirith, it's Isengard. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 03:24 PM |
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it has been over 30 years since I read that, but..... |
Motown_Johnny |
Apr-04-11 01:54 PM |
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Basically, Tom cast out the Barrow-wights |
KamaAina |
Apr-05-11 06:02 PM |
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I have often discussed the vexing character of Bombadil with an amateur JRRT scholar |
lapislzi |
Apr-04-11 02:16 PM |
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Gandalf, one step below him could act. I see Tom as an Ainur |
roguevalley |
Apr-04-11 04:05 PM |
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good analysis |
lapislzi |
Apr-04-11 05:16 PM |
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To me, they aren't even in the same league. |
white_wolf |
Apr-04-11 08:44 PM |
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I've always figured Tom Bombadil was sort of... the ultimate elemental spirit. |
Marr |
Apr-05-11 05:51 PM |
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I agree. |
Withywindle |
Apr-05-11 11:23 PM |
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This same point is also made in a different context in LOTR. |
Raksha |
Apr-04-11 02:19 PM |
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I like the part... |
I Drink Water |
Apr-04-11 02:52 PM |
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by the by, this thread is beautiful. |
roguevalley |
Apr-04-11 04:06 PM |
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your avatar is beautiful... lmao nt |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 03:22 AM |
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Excellent point |
mochajava666 |
Apr-04-11 04:10 PM |
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If you are assuming that the U.S. is Rivendell |
hulka38 |
Apr-04-11 04:24 PM |
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LoL. No I am absolutely not assuming that. |
howard112211 |
Apr-04-11 04:47 PM |
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Didn't Tolkien himself specifically say |
white_wolf |
Apr-04-11 05:05 PM |
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Yes, but so what? |
JackRiddler |
Apr-04-11 05:21 PM |
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"published this in the year WWII started? |
Withywindle |
Apr-05-11 11:16 PM |
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Thank you for the correction... |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 11:50 PM |
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The distinction between allegory and applicability isn't just semantics. |
Withywindle |
Apr-06-11 01:15 AM |
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It's not just semantics. It's also not always a dichotomy, but a scale. Thanks. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-06-11 09:13 AM |
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Actually, he said more than that... |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 03:19 AM |
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Well if he said that, then he's in agreement with my post #26 (below). |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 04:00 AM |
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Yep, I found the quote: |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 04:52 PM |
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Yes, emphatically.... however |
fascisthunter |
Apr-05-11 04:10 PM |
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Sure there's a metaphor for the US in LOTR: Isildor. Or Saruman... |
JackRiddler |
Apr-04-11 05:06 PM |
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The U.S. would do to the Shire pretty much what Saruman did |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 03:21 AM |
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SOMEBODY certainly wanted wanted to keep the ring in the United States. |
howard112211 |
Apr-05-11 04:19 AM |
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well, we all know what REALLY happened |
Locrian |
Apr-05-11 06:43 AM |
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I love this part: |
LWolf |
Apr-05-11 07:52 AM |
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There is a weird theory.... |
ikri |
Apr-05-11 03:52 PM |
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So when Frodo gives him the ring... |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 04:44 PM |
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As far as completely baseless ideas go, that one is fun. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-05-11 05:36 PM |
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See post #63 (n/t) |
pokerfan |
Apr-05-11 07:29 PM |
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The TRUTH about Tom Bombadil |
pokerfan |
Apr-05-11 07:17 PM |
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You never see the two of them together... lmao |
Capitalocracy |
Apr-05-11 11:54 PM |
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"The ol' Witch-king is a merry fellow... (n/t) |
pokerfan |
Apr-06-11 12:10 AM |
#74 |
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