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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 06:58 AM
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Detained by the police for a joke
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A few years back, I worked for a consulting company nut who believed that she could "spark creativity" by making people work in a big open room with our desks directly opposite people with opposing personalities. She was a psychologist and had everybody "figured out" so to speak. So there I was, a professional high-tech writer with a high IQ and quiet personality, and a job that required some privacy and a lot of quiet... sitting face-to-face with a very, very loud, abrasive and not terribly bright person (not sure what in the heck her job was other than to listen in on my phone conversations and loudly interfere and yell things at me while I was trying to interview, say, the director of user interface design at Microsoft :rolleyes).

So one day at lunch I was pretty fed up and went for a walk to get the heck out of that hell for an hour or so. We were on a dead-end street with just one other business (an inventory/distribution-type place) at the end, so I fully expected a quiet walk. I picked up an old stick and was whacking it periodically on large trees and a guardrail where a creek passed under the road. Harming nobody, doing no damage, letting off steam and just generally allowing myself to feel my misery without having to hide it under my professional "game face."

I was surprised to see a beat up old car come driving up the street, since the two companies that shared this street were not the type to have comings and goings, other than the occasional large delivery truck for the other company. The car slowed to a stop next to me. I expected someone to be asking for directions, or something along those lines. Instead, the driver, a woman, called over to me, "Is there anything I can do for you?" I was annoyed at the interference and sarcastically said, "Sure, just shoot me and put me out of my misery," and continued walking, now annoyed that I couldn't escape the continuous invasion to my inner quiet even on a walk.

I came to a path down to the creek, so turned down that and then knelt down by the water, now nicely hidden from further intruders and sound drowned out by the white noise of the water. Next thing I know, my privacy was again disturbed. Someone had snuck up behind me and stuck something along the lines of a baseball card in my face. The corner of the card stuck me inside one nostril, caused my eyes to reflexively tear. And a woman starts saying, "Just focus on the picture, just focus on the picture." Seriously, :wtf:?!?! It turns out to be a picture of the crucifixion, and I turned and saw the same woman from the street. :wtf:?!?!

Well, the nutty woman wouldn't go away and leave me alone. Then 2 cops came along, and then the woman left. And I was detained for questioning. It took them a few minutes of me answering questions, increasingly annoyed, for them to figure out that I worked in a crappy job and half my former pay, that I was minding my own business taking a break from work when this idiot woman came along. That I made a sarcastic joke trying to get rid of what turned out to be a religious nutcase.

They were not able to let me go until they got permission from their supervisor. And even then I was reprimanded and told to be careful of what I say to people.

So can somebody please explain to me why I was detained by the police for making what was obviously a joke and resulted in no harm to anybody except me thanks to the intrusion on my walk by a total stranger?

What gives others the right to prosyletize and not leave me alone?
What takes away *my* right to blow off a stranger intruding on my walk? I didn't threaten her. I didn't threaten anybody. Yet I was detained for over 20 minutes and ended up worried about losing my shitty job due to interference that amounted to harrassment by this nutcase.

Why is it that some people are allowed to say or do anything they want and not be held liable or responsible for their impact on others, even when it drives nutcases to murder or bully victims to suicide?

Yet others have no right to freedom of speech or freedom of expression, even when nobody is harmed and they're only trying to get rid of a nuisance?
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  -Detained by the police for a joke northernlights  Apr-02-11 06:58 AM   #0 
  - She got the police involved  Aerows   Apr-02-11 07:15 AM   #1 
  - How are people supposed to know  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 07:55 AM   #2 
  - moral of the story  northernlights   Apr-02-11 08:25 AM   #3 
  - Life isn't fair  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 08:39 AM   #7 
  - yet Jones isn't held liable for *his* provocative speech  northernlights   Apr-02-11 08:51 AM   #11 
  - You STILL don't get it...  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 09:00 AM   #17 
     - I was detained for at least 20 minutes  northernlights   Apr-02-11 09:11 AM   #22 
        - So?  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 09:29 AM   #24 
           - wrong again. The police actually ended up apologizing to me  northernlights   Apr-02-11 10:18 AM   #30 
              - so they apologized...  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 10:53 AM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-02-11 08:57 AM   #12 
  - Terry Jones is guilty of burning a book, probably purchased by himself  Obamanaut   Apr-02-11 10:32 AM   #34 
     - my outrage is on the deliberate provocation of religious nutcases  northernlights   Apr-02-11 11:18 AM   #40 
        - No, the remark you made was not made *unwittingly.* You  Obamanaut   Apr-02-11 12:22 PM   #43 
           - actually, I believe I *did* suffer the consequences of my speech  northernlights   Apr-02-11 01:01 PM   #44 
              - You're trying to equate  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 01:37 PM   #48 
              - It might be time to simply get over it and move on. nt  Obamanaut   Apr-02-11 04:47 PM   #56 
                 - No kidding...this happened a couple of years ago, and is still an issue? n/t  pipi_k   Apr-03-11 10:22 AM   #60 
  - No, nobody who calls the police on someone who's not interested in  AlabamaLibrul   Apr-02-11 01:04 PM   #45 
     - How do you know that's why she called the police?  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 02:04 PM   #52 
  - That's kind of a 'fire in a theatre' statement.  Edweird   Apr-02-11 08:27 AM   #4 
  - You're free to express suicidal or depressed tendencies all you want.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 08:29 AM   #5 
  - but *my* freedom of expression resulted in my being detained by police  northernlights   Apr-02-11 08:33 AM   #6 
     - If people were held liable for mistakingly seeking the well being of another...  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 08:41 AM   #8 
     - Yep, siccing the cops on someone is really helping them all right..  Fumesucker   Apr-02-11 08:47 AM   #10 
        - I would have preferred she not bring her religion in to it and left the cops out of it...  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 08:58 AM   #14 
           - Recall that the road to Hell is paved..  Fumesucker   Apr-02-11 04:58 PM   #57 
     - You don't get it  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 08:45 AM   #9 
        - Since when is walking down a private road "having a tantrum"  northernlights   Apr-02-11 08:57 AM   #13 
           - You were banging a stick on shit.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 08:59 AM   #16 
           - I wasn't whaling away at shit  northernlights   Apr-02-11 10:21 AM   #31 
              - Here, again, is what you wrote...  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 11:00 AM   #37 
           - And how is anyone supposed to know  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 09:03 AM   #18 
              - that dead stick was breaking into pieces and I walked along the guardrail  northernlights   Apr-02-11 09:17 AM   #23 
                 - Hey, whatever...  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 09:35 AM   #25 
                    - No, NL does not have to watch what she's saying  BanzaiBonnie   Apr-02-11 02:44 PM   #54 
                       - OK let me word this a different way...  pipi_k   Apr-03-11 10:21 AM   #59 
  - Being questioned by the police is not a violation of your free speech.  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 08:58 AM   #15 
  - my free speech resulted in no harm to anybody  northernlights   Apr-02-11 09:07 AM   #19 
  - As I've said before you're dense as hell.  RedArmy300   Apr-02-11 09:08 AM   #20 
     - I don't think anyone here has said that the woman was acting rationally.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 09:09 AM   #21 
     - Free speech doesn't come without consequences  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 09:44 AM   #26 
     - what makes you think Jones' consequences were unintended?  northernlights   Apr-02-11 10:23 AM   #33 
        - Some people just don't believe  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 11:04 AM   #38 
     - I've been questioned by police many times while exercising free speech.  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 09:50 AM   #27 
     - nobody said detention by the police is a violation of rights  northernlights   Apr-02-11 01:15 PM   #46 
        - It's my freedom of choice to do so.  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 01:55 PM   #50 
           - there is a large distance between bowing and kissing the feet of the Taliban and Al Qaeda  northernlights   Apr-02-11 02:03 PM   #51 
              - No. There's not. Either you stand up against religious insanity or you bow to it.  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 02:31 PM   #53 
     - ...wait. on second look. I'm what?  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 03:16 PM   #55 
  - Also, just wanted to point out...  pipi_k   Apr-02-11 10:08 AM   #28 
  - Bizarre story. nt  Doremus   Apr-02-11 10:13 AM   #29 
  - So was she a prostitute? Where I'm from the only people that ask if they can help you are  Shagbark Hickory   Apr-02-11 10:23 AM   #32 
  - Nobody was harmed  davidthegnome   Apr-02-11 10:33 AM   #35 
  - If you weren't arrested there's no real problem  treestar   Apr-02-11 11:13 AM   #39 
  - That's what I said earlier. Being questioned by police is not a violation of your rights.  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 01:37 PM   #47 
  - the police were apologetic, especially once they realized  northernlights   Apr-02-11 01:45 PM   #49 
  - "Officer, am I under arrest?"  Ikonoklast   Apr-02-11 12:09 PM   #41 
  - not under arrest and not free to go until they had permission from their supervisor  northernlights   Apr-02-11 12:13 PM   #42 
  - Jones burned a book.  JoeyT   Apr-03-11 07:34 AM   #58 
 

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