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108. That doesn't fucking exonerate Terry Jones.
We know the killers are nuts, that goes without saying. But Terry Jones is OUR nut, and needs to be condemned to the fullest by US.
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  -Slaughtering people because a fucking book was burnt is insane. cali  Apr-01-11 03:24 PM   #0 
  - It would make more sense to me, based on the eye for eye, tooth for  Obamanaut   Apr-01-11 03:29 PM   #1 
  - Irony: the "eye for eye" & "tooth for tooth" law was established to *prevent* escalation  yodermon   Apr-01-11 03:40 PM   #8 
  - If god was real, and omnipotent,  catenary   Apr-01-11 03:29 PM   #2 
  - Yes. Some religions really overreact to perceived disrespect.  Nye Bevan   Apr-01-11 03:32 PM   #3 
  - Serrano has since moved on to poop  RZM   Apr-01-11 03:47 PM   #19 
  - Holy Shit!  Ezlivin   Apr-01-11 06:31 PM   #103 
  - Well, we all know those Muslims, all of them apparently,  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 03:50 PM   #26 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 03:53 PM   #29 
  - The Iraq war was led by a Christian crusader who, according to  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 05:05 PM   #59 
     - +100  Hannah Bell   Apr-01-11 08:53 PM   #119 
     - An excellent point, Sabrina  davidthegnome   Apr-01-11 11:49 PM   #127 
  - That is not the point...  Rebubula   Apr-01-11 03:53 PM   #30 
  - You are also comparing different countries. This asshole's legally protected right was here in USA  uppityperson   Apr-01-11 04:48 PM   #50 
  - no, for some people it's about hyping the worst aspects of islam so they can hype their middle-  Hannah Bell   Apr-01-11 08:54 PM   #120 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 09:31 PM   #124 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 10:04 PM   #126 
  - + 1000  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 01:46 AM   #131 
  - Agreed /nt  Bragi   Apr-02-11 06:16 AM   #139 
  - No, but the irrational ignorant ones that murder are murderers, same as the christians that do it.  Maine_Nurse   Apr-01-11 04:06 PM   #39 
  - Then say that. There is nothing in the OP that makes that clear  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 04:52 PM   #53 
     - There is not one thing in the OP that implies that Muslims as a whole or that  cali   Apr-01-11 05:16 PM   #60 
        - Nor is there isn't anything in it that  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 05:19 PM   #63 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 05:22 PM   #65 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 06:24 PM   #101 
        - Yep /nt  Bragi   Apr-02-11 06:17 AM   #140 
  - Seriously, where are you getting this stuff?  RZM   Apr-01-11 04:07 PM   #41 
  - Wow, your knee must hurt. nt  woo me with science   Apr-01-11 07:28 PM   #114 
  - Why are you apologizing for them?  NuclearDem   Apr-02-11 07:37 AM   #148 
     - Was that comment mistakenly directed to me?  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 01:17 PM   #163 
  - Ever try burning a Bible in Mississippi?  Keith Bee   Apr-02-11 08:32 PM   #192 
  - So burning the book was a success  Turbineguy   Apr-01-11 03:35 PM   #4 
  - killing people over a book being burned is insane.  cali   Apr-01-11 03:37 PM   #6 
     - I agree  Turbineguy   Apr-01-11 03:40 PM   #9 
  - Yes, Ma'am, It Is  The Magistrate   Apr-01-11 03:37 PM   #5 
  - a little background?  ReggieVeggie   Apr-01-11 03:38 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 03:40 PM   #10 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 03:45 PM   #15 
  - not me too. nt  Obamanaut   Apr-01-11 03:46 PM   #17 
  - Yours has more info than mine. Thanks for that. nt  Obamanaut   Apr-01-11 03:45 PM   #16 
  - The pastor in the news awhile back threatening to burn korans, did in  Obamanaut   Apr-01-11 03:44 PM   #14 
     - so these people ctually declared that they did that because of the book burning  ReggieVeggie   Apr-01-11 03:46 PM   #18 
        - If you believe them...  jberryhill   Apr-01-11 03:48 PM   #21 
           - We gotta BINGO!!  darkstar3   Apr-02-11 01:56 AM   #132 
  - Yes it is  atreides1   Apr-01-11 03:41 PM   #11 
  - ratfucker or asswipe  cali   Apr-01-11 03:44 PM   #13 
  - Your third paragraph; has something like that happened?  Old Troop   Apr-01-11 05:29 PM   #69 
  - Don't know  exboyfil   Apr-01-11 05:35 PM   #73 
  - Agree based on title alone.  Rex   Apr-01-11 03:43 PM   #12 
  - Slaughtering people for oil is also insane.  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 03:47 PM   #20 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-01-11 03:49 PM   #23 
  - You know what else is insane?  RZM   Apr-01-11 03:51 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 03:53 PM   #31 
  - I have noticed that  RZM   Apr-01-11 03:59 PM   #33 
     - it's the flip side of the coin. not as dangerous, of course, but no, I don't think they have a clue  cali   Apr-01-11 04:00 PM   #37 
  - Just one would be sufficient. But this OP provides no information  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 04:42 PM   #48 
     - Those who weren't part of the mob obviously aren't culpable  cali   Apr-01-11 04:47 PM   #49 
     - Do you have any Muslim American friends?  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 04:59 PM   #55 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 05:18 PM   #62 
           - No it's not any of my fucking business, but this is a discussion  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 05:45 PM   #83 
              - It's clear on the available evidence that *someone* is having trouble "handling" this discussion.  apocalypsehow   Apr-01-11 05:53 PM   #87 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 05:58 PM   #88 
                    - This is called "projection." n/t.  apocalypsehow   Apr-01-11 06:04 PM   #93 
                    - Not by me  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 06:09 PM   #95 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 06:13 PM   #97 
                       - It is the textbook definition of "projection." n/t.  apocalypsehow   Apr-02-11 03:05 PM   #172 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 06:14 PM   #98 
     - It's a developing story  RZM   Apr-01-11 04:49 PM   #52 
        - 'Homies'??? Are you accusing me of being a Freeper?  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 05:16 PM   #61 
           - LOL I was talking about RT  RZM   Apr-01-11 05:25 PM   #67 
              - The reference is childish then, as RT is one of many news  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 05:42 PM   #79 
                 - Agreed. Thanks n/t  RZM   Apr-01-11 05:59 PM   #89 
  - As A Matter Of Curiousity, Ma'am, Do You Consider Everything Equivalent And Interchangeable?  The Magistrate   Apr-01-11 03:59 PM   #34 
  - I would not say that 'everything' is equivalent and interchangeable'  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 05:39 PM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 06:10 PM   #96 
     - People have lynched for blasphemy of many religions.  sabrina 1   Apr-01-11 06:24 PM   #102 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 06:31 PM   #104 
        - Best To Just Admit You Are Over-Reaching, Ma'am, And Have Done With It  The Magistrate   Apr-01-11 09:33 PM   #125 
           - Did someone make excuses for what was done by the  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 01:08 PM   #161 
              - Actually, Ma'am, You Are: You Are Making The Claim The Killings Were Justified  The Magistrate   Apr-02-11 08:49 PM   #193 
                 - And now you have lost credibility.  sabrina 1   Apr-03-11 01:37 AM   #198 
  - Well Done, Sir.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 08:49 AM   #155 
  - Actually no, not so well done.  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 01:45 PM   #165 
     - That does not follow at all. It was simply pointed out to you that resource wars...  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 01:47 PM   #166 
        - There is nothing rational and sane about the belief that  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 01:59 PM   #167 
           - I'm sorry, but that's how almost all wars are fought.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 02:07 PM   #168 
              - In the mind of a serial killer, everything HE does is sane also.  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 03:56 PM   #174 
                 - No, we're talking about sanity as defined by external sources.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 05:36 PM   #181 
                    - Let me try to understand your 'reasoning'. It is 'sane' to kill  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 06:53 PM   #185 
                       - Capitalism exists. Religious deities do not.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 07:47 PM   #188 
                          - Global Capitalist Wars and the theft of resources from  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 08:21 PM   #189 
                             - No, it cannot, period, full stop. Globalization is here, it exists now, it is all encompasing.  joshcryer   Apr-02-11 08:31 PM   #191 
                                - Well, I can go along with you up to a point.  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 08:53 PM   #195 
                                   - I just explained that the insanity defense cannot be used in capitalism.  joshcryer   Apr-03-11 01:54 AM   #199 
  - Very Good. What would be the purpose of worshipping a deity that needed a mere mortal to defend it?  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 04:28 PM   #179 
  - That's not insane, it's cynical.  JVS   Apr-01-11 05:00 PM   #56 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 06:01 PM   #90 
  - We not only have the right but the *responsibility* to "judge" and condemn such behavior, as  apocalypsehow   Apr-02-11 03:10 PM   #173 
  - Yup. nt  woo me with science   Apr-01-11 03:49 PM   #22 
  - Yep  Taverner   Apr-01-11 03:50 PM   #24 
  - Slaughtering them for freedom and democracy or humanitarian reasons  malaise   Apr-01-11 03:50 PM   #25 
  - yes. a war is a different kind of slaughtering.  cali   Apr-01-11 03:52 PM   #28 
  - The important thing is that Americans feel free burning those books  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-01-11 03:57 PM   #32 
  - Well, actually, yeah. People should feel free to burn a book without being slaughtered.  woo me with science   Apr-01-11 04:31 PM   #46 
  - I'm sure the UN personnel understood why they were sacrified.  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-01-11 06:50 PM   #110 
     - You are decent  woo me with science   Apr-01-11 07:02 PM   #112 
  - Yes, that is indeed the important thing.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-02-11 07:42 AM   #150 
     - Well, if you think it's worth fighting for, join the military force and fight  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-02-11 09:42 AM   #159 
  - slaughtering people for any reason is insane.  Bluerthanblue   Apr-01-11 03:59 PM   #35 
  - Agreed.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-01-11 03:59 PM   #36 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-01-11 04:04 PM   #38 
  - That's true; and it's insane. But burning the book is also insane.  damntexdem   Apr-01-11 04:06 PM   #40 
  - burning a book is not the moral fucking equivalent to slaughtering 12 innocent people  cali   Apr-01-11 04:15 PM   #44 
  - Yes, OJ was wrong to kill his wife. But she should not have invited Ron Goldman over (nt)  Nye Bevan   Apr-01-11 04:39 PM   #47 
  - Maybe is wasn't just the book burning  atreides1   Apr-01-11 04:09 PM   #42 
  - Certainly it wasn't just the book burning  RZM   Apr-01-11 04:11 PM   #43 
  - Absolutely. Even if not verbalized  cali   Apr-01-11 04:17 PM   #45 
  - This is the beauty of religion. (NT)  Tesha   Apr-01-11 04:49 PM   #51 
  - Burning a book knowing that it will incite violence - then calling it "positive" - is insane.  baldguy   Apr-01-11 04:58 PM   #54 
  - a book is not a human being. One act is far more insane and  cali   Apr-01-11 05:01 PM   #57 
  - Yep. He's nothing more than a hate filled attention whore  Lorien   Apr-02-11 02:52 AM   #134 
  - Where is this benevolent god I'm always hearing so much about?  madmom   Apr-01-11 05:01 PM   #58 
  - It is criminal, not insane unless you want to absolve them  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 05:21 PM   #64 
  - it's insane. it's criminal of course, but it's insane.  cali   Apr-01-11 05:25 PM   #66 
     - Why, specifically, because of the religious component? nt  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 05:28 PM   #68 
        - yes, as the Magistrate put it upthread  cali   Apr-01-11 05:29 PM   #70 
        - To be sure, what is the delusion in question? nt  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 05:37 PM   #74 
        - why are you playing games?  ReggieVeggie   Apr-01-11 05:40 PM   #78 
        - My attempt to get more specific is not a game.  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 05:44 PM   #82 
           - what's not specific about what cali said?  ReggieVeggie   Apr-01-11 06:01 PM   #91 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 06:06 PM   #94 
              - uhh, I would definitely say no  ReggieVeggie   Apr-01-11 06:47 PM   #109 
              - You are correct though. My duh. nt  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 06:15 PM   #99 
        - read the Magistrate's post. He says it well.  cali   Apr-01-11 05:42 PM   #80 
           - Blasphemy. Thanks.  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 06:02 PM   #92 
        - Of course, people tend to kill others over delusions -- fanatical politics, religious views, race  anneboleyn   Apr-01-11 05:50 PM   #86 
           - Good points. nt  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 06:17 PM   #100 
        - murder is insanity on principle  ReggieVeggie   Apr-01-11 05:32 PM   #71 
           - Our legal system doesn't define it that way.  VioletLake   Apr-01-11 05:39 PM   #77 
  - Pretty much.  Arkana   Apr-01-11 05:33 PM   #72 
  - you bet. I'll join that chorus.  cali   Apr-01-11 05:37 PM   #75 
  - Terry Jones knew EXACTLY what would happen  BobbyBoring   Apr-01-11 05:44 PM   #81 
  - uh, the fuckwads that did the slaughtering are more culpable  cali   Apr-01-11 05:47 PM   #85 
  - That doesn't fucking exonerate Terry Jones.  Arrowhead2k1   Apr-01-11 06:44 PM   #108 
  - They're dragging us along with them  maxsolomon   Apr-01-11 06:41 PM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 05:46 PM   #84 
  - cali, sometimes "speech" is hate speech and actions are hate crimes.  Skidmore   Apr-01-11 06:38 PM   #105 
  - I understand your concern and I sympathize but  cali   Apr-01-11 06:51 PM   #111 
  - Thank you for articulating what many here seem unable to grasp.  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 01:15 PM   #162 
  - Religion leads to irrational behavior. nt  Modern_Matthew   Apr-01-11 06:43 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-01-11 07:11 PM   #113 
  - So is burning the book  quaker bill   Apr-01-11 07:39 PM   #115 
  - one can only be inflamed if they allow themselves to be inflamed.  boston bean   Apr-01-11 07:49 PM   #116 
  - You would argue the act was sane and justified?  quaker bill   Apr-02-11 06:45 AM   #143 
  - uh, do you consider burning a book the equivalent of slaughtering innocent people?  cali   Apr-01-11 09:26 PM   #122 
     - There are degrees of insanity  quaker bill   Apr-02-11 06:41 AM   #142 
  - Slaughtering people for ANY reason is disgusting,  bvar22   Apr-01-11 08:49 PM   #117 
  - +100.  Hannah Bell   Apr-01-11 08:55 PM   #121 
  - it's a book. this has zip to do with western sensibilities.  cali   Apr-01-11 09:27 PM   #123 
  - OMG who burned "Dianetics?"  Keith Bee   Apr-01-11 08:51 PM   #118 
  - unrec for spreading the false meme that people were murdered because  Hannah Bell   Apr-01-11 11:52 PM   #128 
  - Thank you. At least someone gets it.  sabrina 1   Apr-02-11 01:32 AM   #129 
  - every media outlet- and I mean every single one  cali   Apr-02-11 03:53 AM   #136 
  - the media reported about the search for wmd, too. & the incubator babies  Hannah Bell   Apr-02-11 05:55 AM   #137 
     - Then I'll rec it in your name  Teaser   Apr-02-11 07:08 AM   #144 
     - The media does occasionally get things right though  NuclearDem   Apr-02-11 07:35 AM   #147 
  - I'm sorry, that's just incorrect  NuclearDem   Apr-02-11 07:33 AM   #146 
  - True, we should be blaming the whole social movement that gave rise to this violence.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-02-11 07:47 AM   #151 
  - Religion.  PurityOfEssence   Apr-02-11 01:36 AM   #130 
  - more likely they saw photos of the 'Kill Team'  OKDem08   Apr-02-11 02:14 AM   #133 
  - Yet we have been killing innocent Afghans for the reason that we are going after the minority  JCMach1   Apr-02-11 03:49 AM   #135 
  - I would have to imagine it was more than just the book burning..  indimuse   Apr-02-11 06:14 AM   #138 
  - yes, it probably was, but that was the reason given by those involved  cali   Apr-02-11 06:25 AM   #141 
  - Just as insane..  sendero   Apr-02-11 07:20 AM   #145 
  - are you actually comparing Muslims to poorly caged bears  cali   Apr-02-11 08:35 AM   #152 
     - I'm making a metaphor..  sendero   Apr-02-11 08:44 AM   #153 
        - uh, yeah. I'm aware of the right wing crap about Islam  cali   Apr-02-11 08:48 AM   #154 
           - Just like Israel and Palestine.  sendero   Apr-02-11 08:52 AM   #156 
  - Recced.  pecwae   Apr-02-11 07:40 AM   #149 
  - They hate us for our freedoms. Therefore we must give them up.  alphafemale   Apr-02-11 09:34 AM   #157 
  - Well spoken.  ohiosmith   Apr-02-11 09:37 AM   #158 
  - Hey that kinda rhymes!  MellowDem   Apr-02-11 06:34 PM   #184 
  - Waving a red cape at an agitated bull is insane, too.  gort   Apr-02-11 10:29 AM   #160 
  - Do you think the people who did this are comparable to animals? N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-02-11 05:31 PM   #180 
     - It's called a metaphor  gort   Apr-02-11 06:18 PM   #182 
        - It falls down in one of two ways; I wanted to know which.  Donald Ian Rankin   Apr-02-11 06:29 PM   #183 
           - I am not calling anyone an animal. Animals don't act like humans.  gort   Apr-02-11 10:16 PM   #197 
  - and deliberately provoking insane people from a safe distance  northernlights   Apr-02-11 01:21 PM   #164 
  - hm  datan   Apr-02-11 02:08 PM   #169 
     - absolutely. I don't deny for one moment that killing innocents over a book burning is an insane or..  northernlights   Apr-02-11 04:05 PM   #175 
  - In general there are no sane reasons to slaughter people.  toddwv   Apr-02-11 03:00 PM   #170 
  - jones should then reap reward of his freedom and be shamed and scorned for life.... fine  seabeyond   Apr-02-11 03:04 PM   #171 
  - jones is the uncredentialed pastor of a fraudulent church with 50 members  Hannah Bell   Apr-02-11 04:10 PM   #176 
  - self delete...  walldude   Apr-02-11 04:11 PM   #177 
  - What's going on in Germany? I must have missed that.  apocalypsehow   Apr-02-11 04:18 PM   #178 
  - Burning the fucking book was insane to begin with.  Initech   Apr-02-11 07:09 PM   #186 
  - "Humans once they form into a mob are mindless savage fuckwads".  TK421   Apr-02-11 07:40 PM   #187 
  - Mark Twain said it pretty well.  zinnisking   Apr-02-11 08:51 PM   #194 
     - not familiar with that writing, but it is quite true  TK421   Apr-02-11 09:07 PM   #196 
  - But....But...But...But...But..  Warren DeMontague   Apr-02-11 08:29 PM   #190 
 

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