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Mon Dec-27-10 02:44 PM
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| 12. I don't think they are out of touch at all |
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they just need to accept and respect the fact that their viewpoints are not the only viewpoints of the Party. This would allow us to work together as a party and would probably even curb the number of Democrat votes against "progressive" policy.
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| -Are "progressives" out of touch with the Democratic Party? |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 02:32 PM |
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The unreccers got to this before I did. |
lpbk2713 |
Dec-27-10 02:34 PM |
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Obviously. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-27-10 02:35 PM |
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+1 |
LWolf |
Dec-27-10 04:06 PM |
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Yes, I am clearly wildy out of touch -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Dec-27-10 04:15 PM |
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"Getting wall street out of washington and back to new york where it belongs." |
Cal33 |
Dec-27-10 05:00 PM |
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PONIES!!1! |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-27-10 05:05 PM |
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+2 |
some guy |
Dec-27-10 07:17 PM |
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The party leadership is out of touch with most Americans, period |
leftstreet |
Dec-27-10 02:37 PM |
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+100 |
Hannah Bell |
Dec-27-10 05:27 PM |
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I don't think so. |
heppcatt |
Dec-27-10 02:38 PM |
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That's a very good point. The problem is that until that narrative changes, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Dec-27-10 03:10 PM |
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The New Deal is something we all can fight for. Unfortunately, a lot of centrist |
jtown1123 |
Dec-27-10 02:39 PM |
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I think the problem is instant gratification |
JNelson6563 |
Dec-27-10 02:41 PM |
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The Very Rich were "instantly Gratified".... |
bvar22 |
Dec-27-10 05:31 PM |
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Ok, while it's fun to toss around talking points |
JNelson6563 |
Dec-28-10 08:48 AM |
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The ideals of the new deal have never been more relevant |
rurallib |
Dec-27-10 02:41 PM |
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I wonder the same thing. It's pretty disheartening to see a lot of Dems |
jtown1123 |
Dec-27-10 02:46 PM |
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Dec-27-10 02:51 PM |
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What are you saying? |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 02:53 PM |
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I totally agree. And progressive ideas such as reducing the gap between |
MindandSoul |
Dec-27-10 02:49 PM |
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Get real! More republican propaganda lies manipulation & the media pounding the bullshit in as truth |
GreenTea |
Dec-27-10 02:41 PM |
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Single-payer healthcare |
kctim |
Dec-27-10 03:30 PM |
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WRONG! "Single-payer" is absolutely the best & most needed necessity for ALL ..... |
GreenTea |
Dec-27-10 03:59 PM |
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Sigh! Such misplaced anger |
kctim |
Dec-27-10 04:34 PM |
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Your problen is you watch far too much Fox "news".... |
GreenTea |
Dec-27-10 05:29 PM |
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You should try to read what is actually written |
kctim |
Dec-28-10 08:56 AM |
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Sigh. Such a complacent persepctive |
Stinky The Clown |
Dec-27-10 05:33 PM |
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Your point is well-taken, as usual, Stinky. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-27-10 05:54 PM |
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Two quick questions JR |
kctim |
Dec-28-10 09:12 AM |
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I think the first question tends to be worded deceptively in the polls-- |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-28-10 10:23 AM |
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Very valid points, thanks |
kctim |
Dec-28-10 11:41 AM |
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The corporations and financiers took a much simpler route. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-28-10 02:29 PM |
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Then why do the people not vote for reps who will get single-payer for them? |
kctim |
Dec-29-10 08:09 AM |
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Because the insurance industry put forth a massive disinformation campaign. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-29-10 10:58 AM |
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Then why did single-payer or the public option not get sold? |
kctim |
Dec-28-10 09:06 AM |
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They did 'get sold' |
hootinholler |
Dec-28-10 10:14 AM |
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Exactly. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-28-10 10:27 AM |
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The problems are |
kctim |
Dec-28-10 12:04 PM |
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Strawmen, not problems. |
hootinholler |
Dec-28-10 01:05 PM |
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Progressives are in touch with the majority of the American people over 60% |
GreenTea |
Dec-27-10 05:58 PM |
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I don't think you know Kentuck's track record around here. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-27-10 05:40 PM |
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Thanks Jackpine... |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 05:46 PM |
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It's a rhetorical question - There is no claim in the OP that progressives are out of touch |
Time for change |
Dec-28-10 11:47 AM |
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I think it's the other way around. The party is out of touch with progressives. |
craigmatic |
Dec-27-10 02:41 PM |
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+1 |
Wwagsthedog |
Dec-27-10 04:39 PM |
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Or vice versa. |
rug |
Dec-27-10 02:42 PM |
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There does need to be a divorce - who initiates it is irrelevant. Liberals/progressives no |
T Wolf |
Dec-27-10 02:42 PM |
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I don't think they are out of touch at all |
kctim |
Dec-27-10 02:44 PM |
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Dude....You're out of touch!! |
LaPera |
Dec-27-10 02:49 PM |
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You're mistaking a question for a statement. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-27-10 05:56 PM |
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Nope, you're interpreting it the way you want to believe he's phrasing it |
LaPera |
Dec-27-10 06:24 PM |
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Go read my journal, LaPera. |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 06:55 PM |
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you are asking DU? |
hfojvt |
Dec-27-10 02:59 PM |
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It's all an illusion. |
OnyxCollie |
Dec-27-10 03:00 PM |
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I have asked those that bad mouth progressives here to tell me on what issues they differ from progr |
rhett o rick |
Dec-27-10 03:01 PM |
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I disagree with liberals/progressives about capitalism. |
blindpig |
Dec-28-10 09:44 AM |
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I am with FDR and the New Deal. Herbert Hoover and his |
OHdem10 |
Dec-27-10 03:03 PM |
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The irony being that Herbert Hoover was technically a "Progressive" and FDR was not |
Recursion |
Dec-28-10 02:22 PM |
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Not "all" progressives, just the ones who don't understand that this country |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Dec-27-10 03:05 PM |
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No, this country isn't "liberal/progressive", just ignorant. |
Tesha |
Dec-27-10 04:38 PM |
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That, too! But sadly that's the case. And until it changes, we're forced to live in this reality! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Dec-27-10 07:10 PM |
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the teabagsters and Republicans do so well because they own - |
Amonester |
Dec-27-10 07:32 PM |
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What kinds of "progressives"? I think you have to consider that |
johnaries |
Dec-27-10 03:08 PM |
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I think that's two separate questions. The ideals of FDR are certainly relevant to the problems we |
BzaDem |
Dec-27-10 03:12 PM |
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I have to agree with you 100% |
mrdmk |
Dec-28-10 01:38 AM |
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The people referred to here as "progressives", |
pnorman |
Dec-27-10 03:15 PM |
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Nor the Hoover years, which were actually called "Progressive" |
Recursion |
Dec-28-10 02:25 PM |
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That would be worth a little essay in a thread of its own. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-28-10 02:33 PM |
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We lost touch as it hurried to the right. |
damntexdem |
Dec-27-10 03:22 PM |
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Other way around. |
Iggo |
Dec-27-10 03:26 PM |
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We are the Democratic Party. nt |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-27-10 03:32 PM |
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The first thing that needs to be done is to define "progressive" |
Angry Dragon |
Dec-27-10 04:45 PM |
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Other way around! |
Zax2me |
Dec-27-10 04:56 PM |
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I just know |
Broderick |
Dec-27-10 05:02 PM |
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With the triumph of corporatism and the wealthy elites in the class war |
deutsey |
Dec-27-10 05:09 PM |
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"In matters of conscience, |
H2O Man |
Dec-27-10 05:13 PM |
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I like that quote by Gandhi, Waterman... |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 05:22 PM |
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It is one |
H2O Man |
Dec-27-10 05:28 PM |
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Perfect response! |
somone |
Dec-27-10 10:28 PM |
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I am not comfortable with using the term "Progressive" as interchangeable with Liberal and/or Left. |
patrice |
Dec-27-10 05:15 PM |
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Depends entirely on how you define "progressive." n/t |
pnwmom |
Dec-27-10 05:24 PM |
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I am "out of touch" with the "New Democrat" Party. |
bvar22 |
Dec-27-10 05:26 PM |
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+100,000 . .. . . .n/t |
annabanana |
Dec-28-10 04:35 AM |
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It's Simple... |
WiffenPoof |
Dec-27-10 05:26 PM |
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I'm to the left of the Party... |
WhaTHellsgoingonhere |
Dec-27-10 05:46 PM |
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Yes...nt |
SidDithers |
Dec-27-10 06:40 PM |
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I'd say the DLC is out of touch with the democratic principle. |
jotsy |
Dec-27-10 06:41 PM |
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The Democratic Party is out of touch with its own platform and principles! |
DailyGrind51 |
Dec-27-10 06:46 PM |
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Winner. |
ClassWarrior |
Dec-28-10 09:39 AM |
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How so? |
blindpig |
Dec-28-10 09:49 AM |
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No, progressive values are what work. |
alarimer |
Dec-27-10 06:49 PM |
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Lol. |
Union Scribe |
Dec-27-10 06:52 PM |
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I resent that personal attack. |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 07:08 PM |
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Lol at your indignation. |
Union Scribe |
Dec-27-10 10:10 PM |
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What group, pray tell, is insulted? |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 10:12 PM |
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That "out of touch with the party/reality/etc" bullshit is a line that needs retired |
Union Scribe |
Dec-27-10 10:18 PM |
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You are so wrong. |
kentuck |
Dec-27-10 10:24 PM |
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You have gotten it 100% completely .... |
niceypoo |
Dec-28-10 12:44 AM |
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I would say their ideals are overall great, acceptance of political reality ... |
JoePhilly |
Dec-27-10 06:52 PM |
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We've got threads here |
PhillySane |
Dec-27-10 07:16 PM |
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Oh yea ... no argument here ... |
JoePhilly |
Dec-27-10 07:28 PM |
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Political reality is created by people. Give me one good reason we should opt out |
eridani |
Dec-28-10 01:44 AM |
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A "Democrat" who considers the New Deal "no longer relevant" is out of touch, IMO. n/t |
gkhouston |
Dec-27-10 07:10 PM |
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The New Deal as passed in the 1930s, verbatim? |
Recursion |
Dec-28-10 02:30 PM |
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FUCK YES!! By now even people in Russia realize Obama doesn't have the votes and being "angry" means |
uponit7771 |
Dec-27-10 10:16 PM |
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"the reality of today's world" |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-27-10 10:39 PM |
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So, you want to do this all over again? |
blindpig |
Dec-28-10 10:20 AM |
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You can't pin this on me!! My hands was on the table the whole time!! |
Kurovski |
Dec-28-10 12:29 AM |
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No |
niceypoo |
Dec-28-10 12:35 AM |
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Yes. Obviously. |
walldude |
Dec-28-10 01:57 AM |
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What does Sudden Infant Death Syndrome have to do with it? |
ClassWarrior |
Dec-28-10 09:43 AM |
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What is the ''reality'' you would like us to get in touch with? That the rich have won and the rest |
yurbud |
Dec-28-10 02:44 AM |
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you need to reword the question: How can you give people a hat full of shit and convince them it's |
yurbud |
Dec-28-10 02:46 AM |
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Actually, I think it's the other way around. |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-28-10 04:49 AM |
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I think progressives are totally out of touch with the Democratic Party. |
robcon |
Dec-28-10 07:59 AM |
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Thank god our demands are out of touch with political reality! |
rucky |
Dec-28-10 08:54 AM |
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No they aren't Democratic enough! |
RegieRocker |
Dec-28-10 09:00 AM |
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No, the party is out of touch with progressives. Class warfare continues, |
TBF |
Dec-28-10 09:44 AM |
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Dec-28-10 10:23 AM |
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Well, I've wondered the same things... |
fadedrose |
Dec-28-10 10:27 AM |
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The Bush Crashes -- moral and economic --- provided the best opportunity |
Overseas |
Dec-28-10 11:00 AM |
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If Progressives and Liberals aren't welcome in the Democratic Party, then who is? |
Lorien |
Dec-28-10 12:02 PM |
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That does seem to be the "target" of |
KoKo |
Dec-29-10 09:41 AM |
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No, but since the days of Marat (if not earlier)... |
Recursion |
Dec-28-10 02:27 PM |
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