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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 02:39 PM
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5. The New Deal is something we all can fight for. Unfortunately, a lot of centrist
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 02:40 PM by jtown1123
Dems have bought into the intergenerational warfare bs over Social Security and Medicare and also bought into Pete Peterson, Heritage, CATO talking points about Social Security "insolvency." Really sad. Wish we could unite all Dems on these important programs.
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  -Are "progressives" out of touch with the Democratic Party? kentuck  Dec-27-10 02:32 PM   #0 
  - The unreccers got to this before I did.  lpbk2713   Dec-27-10 02:34 PM   #1 
  - Obviously.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-27-10 02:35 PM   #2 
  - +1  LWolf   Dec-27-10 04:06 PM   #32 
  - Yes, I am clearly wildy out of touch --  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-27-10 04:15 PM   #33 
  - "Getting wall street out of washington and back to new york where it belongs."  Cal33   Dec-27-10 05:00 PM   #39 
  - PONIES!!1!  Hello_Kitty   Dec-27-10 05:05 PM   #41 
  - +2  some guy   Dec-27-10 07:17 PM   #72 
  - The party leadership is out of touch with most Americans, period  leftstreet   Dec-27-10 02:37 PM   #3 
  - +100  Hannah Bell   Dec-27-10 05:27 PM   #49 
  - I don't think so.  heppcatt   Dec-27-10 02:38 PM   #4 
  - That's a very good point. The problem is that until that narrative changes,  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-27-10 03:10 PM   #24 
  - The New Deal is something we all can fight for. Unfortunately, a lot of centrist  jtown1123   Dec-27-10 02:39 PM   #5 
  - I think the problem is instant gratification  JNelson6563   Dec-27-10 02:41 PM   #6 
  - The Very Rich were "instantly Gratified"....  bvar22   Dec-27-10 05:31 PM   #52 
     - Ok, while it's fun to toss around talking points  JNelson6563   Dec-28-10 08:48 AM   #93 
  - The ideals of the new deal have never been more relevant  rurallib   Dec-27-10 02:41 PM   #7 
  - I wonder the same thing. It's pretty disheartening to see a lot of Dems  jtown1123   Dec-27-10 02:46 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-27-10 02:51 PM   #16 
     - What are you saying?  kentuck   Dec-27-10 02:53 PM   #17 
  - I totally agree. And progressive ideas such as reducing the gap between  MindandSoul   Dec-27-10 02:49 PM   #14 
  - Get real! More republican propaganda lies manipulation & the media pounding the bullshit in as truth  GreenTea   Dec-27-10 02:41 PM   #8 
  - Single-payer healthcare  kctim   Dec-27-10 03:30 PM   #29 
  - WRONG! "Single-payer" is absolutely the best & most needed necessity for ALL .....  GreenTea   Dec-27-10 03:59 PM   #31 
     - Sigh! Such misplaced anger  kctim   Dec-27-10 04:34 PM   #34 
        - Your problen is you watch far too much Fox "news"....  GreenTea   Dec-27-10 05:29 PM   #51 
        - You should try to read what is actually written  kctim   Dec-28-10 08:56 AM   #95 
        - Sigh. Such a complacent persepctive  Stinky The Clown   Dec-27-10 05:33 PM   #53 
        - Your point is well-taken, as usual, Stinky.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-27-10 05:54 PM   #57 
        - Two quick questions JR  kctim   Dec-28-10 09:12 AM   #98 
           - I think the first question tends to be worded deceptively in the polls--  Jackpine Radical   Dec-28-10 10:23 AM   #106 
              - Very valid points, thanks  kctim   Dec-28-10 11:41 AM   #111 
                 - The corporations and financiers took a much simpler route.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-28-10 02:29 PM   #119 
                    - Then why do the people not vote for reps who will get single-payer for them?  kctim   Dec-29-10 08:09 AM   #122 
                       - Because the insurance industry put forth a massive disinformation campaign.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-29-10 10:58 AM   #124 
        - Then why did single-payer or the public option not get sold?  kctim   Dec-28-10 09:06 AM   #97 
           - They did 'get sold'  hootinholler   Dec-28-10 10:14 AM   #104 
              - Exactly.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-28-10 10:27 AM   #108 
              - The problems are  kctim   Dec-28-10 12:04 PM   #114 
                 - Strawmen, not problems.  hootinholler   Dec-28-10 01:05 PM   #115 
        - Progressives are in touch with the majority of the American people over 60%  GreenTea   Dec-27-10 05:58 PM   #59 
  - I don't think you know Kentuck's track record around here.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-27-10 05:40 PM   #54 
  - Thanks Jackpine...  kentuck   Dec-27-10 05:46 PM   #55 
  - It's a rhetorical question - There is no claim in the OP that progressives are out of touch  Time for change   Dec-28-10 11:47 AM   #112 
  - I think it's the other way around. The party is out of touch with progressives.  craigmatic   Dec-27-10 02:41 PM   #9 
  - +1  Wwagsthedog   Dec-27-10 04:39 PM   #36 
  - Or vice versa.  rug   Dec-27-10 02:42 PM   #10 
  - There does need to be a divorce - who initiates it is irrelevant. Liberals/progressives no  T Wolf   Dec-27-10 02:42 PM   #11 
  - I don't think they are out of touch at all  kctim   Dec-27-10 02:44 PM   #12 
  - Dude....You're out of touch!!  LaPera   Dec-27-10 02:49 PM   #15 
  - You're mistaking a question for a statement.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-27-10 05:56 PM   #58 
     - Nope, you're interpreting it the way you want to believe he's phrasing it  LaPera   Dec-27-10 06:24 PM   #60 
        - Go read my journal, LaPera.  kentuck   Dec-27-10 06:55 PM   #67 
  - you are asking DU?  hfojvt   Dec-27-10 02:59 PM   #18 
  - It's all an illusion.  OnyxCollie   Dec-27-10 03:00 PM   #19 
  - I have asked those that bad mouth progressives here to tell me on what issues they differ from progr  rhett o rick   Dec-27-10 03:01 PM   #20 
  - I disagree with liberals/progressives about capitalism.  blindpig   Dec-28-10 09:44 AM   #102 
  - I am with FDR and the New Deal. Herbert Hoover and his  OHdem10   Dec-27-10 03:03 PM   #21 
  - The irony being that Herbert Hoover was technically a "Progressive" and FDR was not  Recursion   Dec-28-10 02:22 PM   #116 
  - Not "all" progressives, just the ones who don't understand that this country  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-27-10 03:05 PM   #22 
  - No, this country isn't "liberal/progressive", just ignorant.  Tesha   Dec-27-10 04:38 PM   #35 
  - That, too! But sadly that's the case. And until it changes, we're forced to live in this reality!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-27-10 07:10 PM   #70 
  - the teabagsters and Republicans do so well because they own -  Amonester   Dec-27-10 07:32 PM   #74 
  - What kinds of "progressives"? I think you have to consider that  johnaries   Dec-27-10 03:08 PM   #23 
  - I think that's two separate questions. The ideals of FDR are certainly relevant to the problems we  BzaDem   Dec-27-10 03:12 PM   #25 
  - I have to agree with you 100%  mrdmk   Dec-28-10 01:38 AM   #85 
  - The people referred to here as "progressives",  pnorman   Dec-27-10 03:15 PM   #26 
  - Nor the Hoover years, which were actually called "Progressive"  Recursion   Dec-28-10 02:25 PM   #117 
     - That would be worth a little essay in a thread of its own.  Jackpine Radical   Dec-28-10 02:33 PM   #121 
  - We lost touch as it hurried to the right.  damntexdem   Dec-27-10 03:22 PM   #27 
  - Other way around.  Iggo   Dec-27-10 03:26 PM   #28 
  - We are the Democratic Party. nt  grahamhgreen   Dec-27-10 03:32 PM   #30 
  - The first thing that needs to be done is to define "progressive"  Angry Dragon   Dec-27-10 04:45 PM   #37 
  - Other way around!  Zax2me   Dec-27-10 04:56 PM   #38 
  - I just know  Broderick   Dec-27-10 05:02 PM   #40 
  - With the triumph of corporatism and the wealthy elites in the class war  deutsey   Dec-27-10 05:09 PM   #42 
  - "In matters of conscience,  H2O Man   Dec-27-10 05:13 PM   #43 
  - I like that quote by Gandhi, Waterman...  kentuck   Dec-27-10 05:22 PM   #45 
  - It is one  H2O Man   Dec-27-10 05:28 PM   #50 
  - Perfect response!  somone   Dec-27-10 10:28 PM   #80 
  - I am not comfortable with using the term "Progressive" as interchangeable with Liberal and/or Left.  patrice   Dec-27-10 05:15 PM   #44 
  - Depends entirely on how you define "progressive." n/t  pnwmom   Dec-27-10 05:24 PM   #46 
  - I am "out of touch" with the "New Democrat" Party.  bvar22   Dec-27-10 05:26 PM   #47 
  - +100,000 . .. . . .n/t  annabanana   Dec-28-10 04:35 AM   #90 
  - It's Simple...  WiffenPoof   Dec-27-10 05:26 PM   #48 
  - I'm to the left of the Party...  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Dec-27-10 05:46 PM   #56 
  - Yes...nt  SidDithers   Dec-27-10 06:40 PM   #61 
  - I'd say the DLC is out of touch with the democratic principle.  jotsy   Dec-27-10 06:41 PM   #62 
  - The Democratic Party is out of touch with its own platform and principles!  DailyGrind51   Dec-27-10 06:46 PM   #63 
  - Winner.  ClassWarrior   Dec-28-10 09:39 AM   #99 
  - How so?  blindpig   Dec-28-10 09:49 AM   #103 
  - No, progressive values are what work.  alarimer   Dec-27-10 06:49 PM   #64 
  - Lol.  Union Scribe   Dec-27-10 06:52 PM   #65 
  - I resent that personal attack.  kentuck   Dec-27-10 07:08 PM   #68 
     - Lol at your indignation.  Union Scribe   Dec-27-10 10:10 PM   #75 
        - What group, pray tell, is insulted?  kentuck   Dec-27-10 10:12 PM   #76 
           - That "out of touch with the party/reality/etc" bullshit is a line that needs retired  Union Scribe   Dec-27-10 10:18 PM   #78 
              - You are so wrong.  kentuck   Dec-27-10 10:24 PM   #79 
              - You have gotten it 100% completely ....  niceypoo   Dec-28-10 12:44 AM   #84 
  - I would say their ideals are overall great, acceptance of political reality ...  JoePhilly   Dec-27-10 06:52 PM   #66 
  - We've got threads here  PhillySane   Dec-27-10 07:16 PM   #71 
  - Oh yea ... no argument here ...  JoePhilly   Dec-27-10 07:28 PM   #73 
  - Political reality is created by people. Give me one good reason we should opt out  eridani   Dec-28-10 01:44 AM   #86 
  - A "Democrat" who considers the New Deal "no longer relevant" is out of touch, IMO. n/t  gkhouston   Dec-27-10 07:10 PM   #69 
  - The New Deal as passed in the 1930s, verbatim?  Recursion   Dec-28-10 02:30 PM   #120 
  - FUCK YES!! By now even people in Russia realize Obama doesn't have the votes and being "angry" means  uponit7771   Dec-27-10 10:16 PM   #77 
  - "the reality of today's world"  Canuckistanian   Dec-27-10 10:39 PM   #81 
  - So, you want to do this all over again?  blindpig   Dec-28-10 10:20 AM   #105 
  - You can't pin this on me!! My hands was on the table the whole time!!  Kurovski   Dec-28-10 12:29 AM   #82 
  - No  niceypoo   Dec-28-10 12:35 AM   #83 
  - Yes. Obviously.  walldude   Dec-28-10 01:57 AM   #87 
  - What does Sudden Infant Death Syndrome have to do with it?  ClassWarrior   Dec-28-10 09:43 AM   #100 
  - What is the ''reality'' you would like us to get in touch with? That the rich have won and the rest  yurbud   Dec-28-10 02:44 AM   #88 
  - you need to reword the question: How can you give people a hat full of shit and convince them it's  yurbud   Dec-28-10 02:46 AM   #89 
  - Actually, I think it's the other way around.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-28-10 04:49 AM   #91 
  - I think progressives are totally out of touch with the Democratic Party.  robcon   Dec-28-10 07:59 AM   #92 
  - Thank god our demands are out of touch with political reality!  rucky   Dec-28-10 08:54 AM   #94 
  - No they aren't Democratic enough!  RegieRocker   Dec-28-10 09:00 AM   #96 
  - No, the party is out of touch with progressives. Class warfare continues,  TBF   Dec-28-10 09:44 AM   #101 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-28-10 10:23 AM   #107 
  - Well, I've wondered the same things...  fadedrose   Dec-28-10 10:27 AM   #109 
  - The Bush Crashes -- moral and economic --- provided the best opportunity  Overseas   Dec-28-10 11:00 AM   #110 
  - If Progressives and Liberals aren't welcome in the Democratic Party, then who is?  Lorien   Dec-28-10 12:02 PM   #113 
  - That does seem to be the "target" of  KoKo   Dec-29-10 09:41 AM   #123 
  - No, but since the days of Marat (if not earlier)...  Recursion   Dec-28-10 02:27 PM   #118 
 

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