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127. That's your state. In PA we teachers pay into both, and get both.
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  -How on earth does a system that you pay into with your own money become an 'entitlement'? truebrit71  Mar-28-11 03:03 PM   #0 
  - Too much thinking  Blue Owl   Mar-28-11 03:07 PM   #1 
  - Republicons don't think like people. They think like tax-dodging billionaires  SpiralHawk   Mar-28-11 03:09 PM   #6 
  - Republicans are now Libertarians! n/t  sasquuatch55   Mar-29-11 01:08 PM   #167 
  - And sadly, most of our DLC elected officials  truedelphi   Mar-29-11 02:48 PM   #178 
  - That 'thinking' will turn you into a pinko commie, too!  HCE SuiGeneris   Mar-28-11 11:06 PM   #89 
  - To think is pink.  Citizen Worker   Mar-29-11 12:36 AM   #93 
  - "Framing" is everything. "Earned Benefits" is better term for Social Security, etc.  SharonAnn   Mar-29-11 12:17 PM   #156 
     - I wish our Democratic Party Leadership would STOP using the Republican framing.  bvar22   Mar-29-11 01:27 PM   #171 
        - Democratic leadership or DLC is funded by the Koch brothers;  ooglymoogly   Mar-29-11 06:01 PM   #183 
  - I paid for my life insurance policy.  fasttense   Mar-28-11 03:07 PM   #2 
  - Congress has robbed Social security.  lob1   Mar-28-11 03:08 PM   #3 
  - Over simplistic  BobbyBoring   Mar-29-11 11:54 AM   #153 
     - That is UNTRUE...and MORE Republican talking points.  bvar22   Mar-29-11 01:35 PM   #174 
  - I think the "problem" is that we all contribute, and share it.  phantom power   Mar-28-11 03:09 PM   #4 
  - Conservatives don't want to pay back the iou's they wrote after raiding it  Donnachaidh   Mar-28-11 03:10 PM   #9 
  - I thought that conservatives are all about "responsibility"  Proud Liberal Dem   Mar-28-11 03:12 PM   #13 
  - To paraphrase Leona Helmsley: Responsibility is for the little people...  rfranklin   Mar-28-11 03:15 PM   #16 
  - How true  Proud Liberal Dem   Mar-28-11 04:59 PM   #58 
  - Responsibility???!!!  oneAngryOhioDem   Mar-29-11 06:23 AM   #117 
  - Except for the minor fact that Democrats were running Congress for  Common Sense Party   Mar-28-11 03:29 PM   #23 
     - Really? RepubliCONS ran the congress from 2000 to 2006.  fasttense   Mar-28-11 03:53 PM   #38 
     - That was my point, neither party is blameless.  Common Sense Party   Mar-28-11 04:46 PM   #54 
        - Thanks. Good chart.  emilyg   Mar-29-11 12:29 AM   #91 
        - Thanks  guardian   Mar-29-11 09:45 AM   #144 
     - Most of it went to partially  Enthusiast   Mar-28-11 03:59 PM   #44 
     - So did T-bills! Are you suggesting we shouldn't pay those as well?  on point   Mar-29-11 07:00 AM   #123 
     - You lost me there. I have no idea what you're on about. n/t  Common Sense Party   Mar-29-11 08:35 AM   #137 
        - The SSI IOU's need to be paid, same as T-Bill IOU's. Cut SSI only if willing to stop paying T-Bills  on point   Mar-29-11 10:09 AM   #147 
     - Democrats, for the last 40 yrs have not run congress or the Senate.  ooglymoogly   Mar-29-11 01:33 PM   #173 
        - Democrats are Democrats.  Common Sense Party   Mar-29-11 02:55 PM   #180 
           - Only a homogenized mind could make such a statement.  ooglymoogly   Mar-29-11 04:03 PM   #181 
              - And Republicans are Republicans.  Common Sense Party   Mar-29-11 05:57 PM   #182 
                 - And that is just what you are programmed to believe. nt  ooglymoogly   Mar-29-11 06:03 PM   #184 
  - They don't want to share, regardless of color. n/t  Scuba   Mar-28-11 03:55 PM   #39 
  - They only agreed to a common cause when it advantaged them.  freshwest   Mar-29-11 11:39 AM   #151 
  - It's NATIONAL INSURANCE!!!!  mwooldri   Mar-29-11 12:41 PM   #160 
  - poor people in general will share it.  obxhead   Mar-29-11 01:24 PM   #170 
  - the congress.org page on facebook is being written by RW nutbags now  Donnachaidh   Mar-28-11 03:09 PM   #5 
  - republican semantics.  hobbit709   Mar-28-11 03:09 PM   #7 
  - because you are entitled to the money you paid in.  spanone   Mar-28-11 03:10 PM   #8 
  - +100  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-28-11 07:27 PM   #75 
  - how bout this, i paid into it, i'm entitled to get it back?  dionysus   Mar-28-11 03:10 PM   #10 
  - It goes beyond that. Minor children of American who perish are ....  Scuba   Mar-28-11 03:57 PM   #41 
  - delete  Coyote_Bandit   Mar-28-11 04:33 PM   #49 
  - i am aware it's also an insurance program for the children of deceased parents. i never said we  dionysus   Mar-28-11 06:29 PM   #67 
  - So, if the cap on SS contributions is removed, and the rich wind up  Common Sense Party   Mar-28-11 04:48 PM   #56 
  - no. i'm just saying there's nothing wrong with the word entitlement, except the way the RW uses it.  dionysus   Mar-28-11 06:19 PM   #66 
  - Socialist...  LooseWilly   Mar-29-11 01:56 AM   #101 
  - Well, the GOP never stops trying anyway  Proud Liberal Dem   Mar-28-11 03:11 PM   #11 
  - Teacher and Public Employees....  AnneD   Mar-28-11 03:12 PM   #12 
  - I'm a retired public employee  footinmouth   Mar-28-11 03:16 PM   #17 
  - Windfall Elimination Act...  AnneD   Mar-28-11 03:33 PM   #30 
  - I guess it does vary from state to state, district to district  footinmouth   Mar-28-11 10:05 PM   #82 
  - Many teachers don't contribute to Social Security  hack89   Mar-28-11 03:37 PM   #34 
  - That varies from state to state.  marew   Mar-28-11 06:41 PM   #71 
     - Me, too here in CA  Iwillnevergiveup   Mar-29-11 01:48 AM   #99 
  - That's your state. In PA we teachers pay into both, and get both.  WinkyDink   Mar-29-11 07:14 AM   #127 
     - Well, we do at present.  mlevans   Mar-29-11 01:02 PM   #163 
  - Entitlement is a legal term which means a guarantee of access to benefits  hack89   Mar-28-11 03:12 PM   #14 
  - Exactly. Thank you for stating what should be obvious. n/t  Common Sense Party   Mar-28-11 03:30 PM   #24 
  - Thank you.  emilyg   Mar-29-11 12:31 AM   #92 
  - It's become a pejorative for people who think they are owed something without offering anything  tcaudilllg   Mar-29-11 06:05 AM   #113 
  - You miss one essential characteristic.  TahitiNut   Mar-29-11 09:00 AM   #138 
     - This post of yours is one brilliant essay.  truedelphi   Mar-30-11 01:15 AM   #187 
        - Thank you. It's something I've thought about a lot ... and researched.  TahitiNut   Mar-30-11 08:29 AM   #189 
  - In the Republican language words have whatever meaning best suits the wealthy.  drm604   Mar-28-11 03:15 PM   #15 
  - Well said.....nt  Enthusiast   Mar-28-11 04:03 PM   #46 
  - you forgot one for muslims - "athiests"  tonybgood   Mar-29-11 01:00 PM   #162 
  - Entitlement means something is owed or belongs to you. It's a fine word.  pnwmom   Mar-28-11 03:18 PM   #18 
  - ..in the frame of reference being used by the gop it means "getting something for nothing"..  truebrit71   Mar-28-11 03:23 PM   #20 
  - But that's referring to a false sense of entitlement,  pnwmom   Mar-28-11 04:42 PM   #53 
     - ..which is precisely why the gop uses that word...  truebrit71   Mar-29-11 09:05 AM   #140 
  - This is actually an excellent point. Due to complicity with media mouthpieces, the GOP has successf  closeupready   Mar-28-11 03:30 PM   #25 
  - Same way that 'liberal'  Enthusiast   Mar-28-11 04:04 PM   #47 
  - See my response above.  TahitiNut   Mar-29-11 09:05 AM   #139 
  - GOP sees entitlement and thinks privilege(d).  BadgerKid   Mar-28-11 03:22 PM   #19 
  - Not just social security, but unemployment insurance.  closeupready   Mar-28-11 03:23 PM   #21 
  - Because the government feels entitled to the surplus.  eShirl   Mar-28-11 03:24 PM   #22 
  - When the Koch Bros & the BFEE tell you so.  Skidmore   Mar-28-11 03:31 PM   #26 
  - Yeah. You're entitled to your money.  Octafish   Mar-28-11 03:32 PM   #27 
  - Wow, isn't that the truth......they just do not admit your right to  Trailrider1951   Mar-28-11 07:55 PM   #78 
  - We need to start taking away "entitlements" from legislators. We need a big push  loudsue   Mar-28-11 03:33 PM   #28 
  - 2 words - TERM LIMITS!!!  tonybgood   Mar-29-11 01:02 PM   #164 
  - You seem to be confused about the meaning of "entitlement"  iamtechus   Mar-28-11 03:33 PM   #29 
  - You seem to be confused about how the gop is using that word..  truebrit71   Mar-28-11 03:40 PM   #35 
  - Thieves say things like that. And it is still the third rail.  aquart   Mar-28-11 03:35 PM   #31 
  - The Right (and the Third Wayers) have demonized the word "entitlement"  MannyGoldstein   Mar-28-11 03:36 PM   #32 
  - Bingo! Just like "liberal" is used as a put-down..  truebrit71   Mar-28-11 03:41 PM   #36 
  - Your question answers itself. nt  Lex   Mar-28-11 03:36 PM   #33 
  - The real problem is lumping all "entitlements" together so as to attack Social Security.  Jim Lane   Mar-28-11 03:43 PM   #37 
  - Meanwhile we borrow money to wage war. n/t  Scuba   Mar-28-11 04:00 PM   #45 
  - Because if the Rethugs can significant cut or much better still, eliminate SS/SSD/SSDI  Urban Prairie   Mar-28-11 03:57 PM   #40 
  - They have stolen and twisted the word "entitlement"  annabanana   Mar-28-11 03:58 PM   #42 
  - And where are the ultra right conservatives to champion contract law?  2gabby   Mar-28-11 03:59 PM   #43 
  - The conservative logic goes like this:  Atypical Liberal   Mar-28-11 04:22 PM   #48 
  - some charts showing lifetime benefits and taxes for SS & Medicare (hint-Medicare is toast)  stockholmer   Mar-29-11 03:22 AM   #106 
     - Great info  Atypical Liberal   Mar-29-11 06:43 AM   #119 
  - I hate that word.  geardaddy   Mar-28-11 04:35 PM   #50 
  - What you don't think that after paying in for so long you are not entitled?  Bandit   Mar-28-11 04:40 PM   #51 
  - Better question: When did "entitlement" become a dirty word?  PeaceNikki   Mar-28-11 04:42 PM   #52 
  - Because it benefits poor people.  baldguy   Mar-28-11 04:48 PM   #55 
  - What ROYALLY PISSES ME OFF is that DEMOCRATS are using that  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-28-11 04:50 PM   #57 
  - Are they really "Democrats" if they are helping drive the GOP agenda forward?  Lorien   Mar-28-11 05:40 PM   #62 
  - Fo realz. PURGE 2012!!!  tcaudilllg   Mar-29-11 06:05 AM   #114 
  - "An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation."  dionysus   Mar-28-11 06:38 PM   #70 
  - And Medicare is an insurance policy we are forced to pay into...  JuniperLea   Mar-28-11 05:03 PM   #59 
  - You're entitled by virtue of the fact that you paid into it!  frebrd   Mar-28-11 05:31 PM   #60 
  - It's not. It's a Social Program. Reagan branded them "entitlements"  Lorien   Mar-28-11 05:39 PM   #61 
  - Reagan also never balanced a budget!  tonybgood   Mar-29-11 01:07 PM   #166 
  - "entitlement" is not a pejorative.  MilesColtrane   Mar-28-11 06:01 PM   #63 
  - Because the rich bastards don't have it?  Initech   Mar-28-11 06:04 PM   #64 
  - In 20 years the rich will claim you're 401k is an entitlement.  sarcasmo   Mar-28-11 06:07 PM   #65 
  - Ya that was my first thought when I heard the pundits drivel and drooling  Rex   Mar-28-11 06:30 PM   #68 
  - do you know the meaning of the word?  dionysus   Mar-28-11 06:31 PM   #69 
  - When your average middle of the road independent American  hulka38   Mar-28-11 07:44 PM   #76 
  - i'd rather we not let them do to the word "entitlement" what they did to "liberal".  dionysus   Mar-28-11 07:54 PM   #77 
     - The GOP has been largely successful in redefining the word  hulka38   Mar-28-11 09:44 PM   #79 
  - That's one meaning, and here's the way some in government use it  Exilednight   Mar-28-11 09:48 PM   #80 
  - I don't know.  hulka38   Mar-28-11 06:49 PM   #72 
  - EASY... it's Called Fascist Propaganda via FOX News, Rush Limpballs, etc.  fascisthunter   Mar-28-11 06:51 PM   #73 
  - Because the republicans want to steal it  Avant Guardian   Mar-28-11 06:54 PM   #74 
  - Reminds Me of an Older Guy Who Used to Hang Around the Diner  On the Road   Mar-28-11 09:54 PM   #81 
  - Your money was given to retirees, not invested.  dkf   Mar-28-11 10:10 PM   #83 
  - the problem is  rdking647   Mar-28-11 10:11 PM   #84 
  - Retirement at 70? Okay. What line of work are you in, btw?  Mnemosyne   Mar-29-11 12:44 AM   #96 
  - why does it matter?  rdking647   Mar-29-11 05:00 AM   #109 
     - I hope you're a bricklayer or a carpet installer.  bluethruandthru   Mar-29-11 06:43 AM   #120 
     - even if your a brick layer  rdking647   Mar-29-11 10:47 AM   #149 
        - There is no "solution" needed for Social Security!  bluethruandthru   Mar-29-11 12:39 PM   #159 
        - Raising taxes so that appropriate amounts were paid, as they were forty years ago, would fix SS  anneboleyn   Mar-30-11 01:56 AM   #188 
     - because there is a huge difference between sitting at a desk until 70, and  Mnemosyne   Mar-29-11 06:45 AM   #121 
  - except it doesn't need fixing, it just needs it;s loans repaid  bettyellen   Mar-29-11 07:24 AM   #128 
  - Hmmm... cause you're entitled to it?  Kip Humphrey   Mar-28-11 10:39 PM   #85 
  - Boy, isn't THAT the damned truth?  MrMickeysMom   Mar-28-11 10:44 PM   #86 
  - probably because the amount most people pay into it  fried eggs   Mar-28-11 10:51 PM   #87 
  - I worked for the Social Security Administration whole working life  Silver Swan   Mar-28-11 10:57 PM   #88 
  - Frank Luntz and GOP can turn any word into a DIRTY word -- !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-29-11 01:35 PM   #175 
  - If they are so dead set on eliminating this "entitlement"...  Frisbee   Mar-29-11 12:26 AM   #90 
  - When Frank Luntz -- GOP propagandist works on it -- !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-29-11 12:40 AM   #94 
  - global warming makes you think the earth is getting warmer. in fact  ejpoeta   Mar-29-11 05:46 AM   #110 
     - That's the confusion Rush Limbaugh sells ... but false --  defendandprotect   Mar-29-11 01:33 PM   #172 
        - thanks. i agree that it IS a warming, but there is also climate change  ejpoeta   Mar-29-11 06:14 PM   #185 
           - Climate change is a euphemism intended to make the public think that  defendandprotect   Mar-29-11 10:36 PM   #186 
  - Social Security is a program created by the passage of the FEDERAL INSURANCE CONTRIBUTION ACT. It  Citizen Worker   Mar-29-11 12:44 AM   #95 
  - Because they are aware that the word is most commonly used  Norrin Radd   Mar-29-11 01:00 AM   #97 
  - K & FUCKING R!!!  Keith Bee   Mar-29-11 01:38 AM   #98 
  - Simple. You earned it, thus you are fully entitled to it.  pnwmom   Mar-29-11 01:53 AM   #100 
  - SS Welfare?  Crusader Rabbit   Mar-29-11 01:56 AM   #102 
  - So true. It's a buzzword so firmly entrenched into the lexicon of apathetic dolts  Populist_Prole   Mar-29-11 02:06 AM   #103 
  - Because it is yours, you are 'entitled' to it? n/t  Obamanaut   Mar-29-11 02:39 AM   #104 
  - When the GOP lies about it....nt  old mark   Mar-29-11 02:44 AM   #105 
  - Precisely  Sherman A1   Mar-29-11 04:36 AM   #107 
  - Because it's our money.  JoeyT   Mar-29-11 04:55 AM   #108 
  - entitlement: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract  freedom fighter jh   Mar-29-11 05:53 AM   #111 
  - How does it become a "sacred cow"?  tcaudilllg   Mar-29-11 06:02 AM   #112 
  - Whom are you quoting?  WinkyDink   Mar-29-11 07:25 AM   #130 
  - Cutting entitlements is equivelant to a retroactive tax increase.  rucky   Mar-29-11 06:08 AM   #115 
  - I agree  Mudoria   Mar-29-11 06:22 AM   #116 
  - Because you ARE entitled to it...it's yours!  indimuse   Mar-29-11 06:40 AM   #118 
  - Because social security couldn't be cut.  ctsnowman   Mar-29-11 06:52 AM   #122 
  - foot in mouth  dothemath   Mar-29-11 07:11 AM   #124 
  - But it IS an entitlement! The PROBLEM, THE EVIL, is that Republicans have made the LEGITIMATE term  WinkyDink   Mar-29-11 07:13 AM   #125 
  - I miss the good old days when elders were respected rather  Vinca   Mar-29-11 07:13 AM   #126 
  - FTR: Teachers pay SS taxes in 36 states.  WinkyDink   Mar-29-11 07:24 AM   #129 
  - To be precise: Defined benefit vs defined contribution  on point   Mar-29-11 07:28 AM   #131 
  - That's easy, the neo-cons, corporations,republicans,etc get thier orders from......  nolabels   Mar-29-11 07:30 AM   #132 
  - Sounds like paying out retirement benefits for elected officials is also  midnight   Mar-29-11 07:38 AM   #133 
  - Because you're "entitled" to the money after you've paid in  Recursion   Mar-29-11 07:57 AM   #134 
  - You're entitled to get what you paid for. nt  Deep13   Mar-29-11 08:06 AM   #135 
  - When they have to pay you back?  Historic NY   Mar-29-11 08:24 AM   #136 
  - As a mental exercise, just substitute the word "earnings" and regard the similarity.  TahitiNut   Mar-29-11 09:07 AM   #141 
  - easy. americans let 1000 radio stations create that reality for guys like the kochs, by allowing  certainot   Mar-29-11 09:18 AM   #142 
  - since the reagan era, the gop has been counting social security withholding to  struggle4progress   Mar-29-11 09:39 AM   #143 
  - The repukes lie better than the Dems tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  BrklynLiberal   Mar-29-11 09:58 AM   #145 
  - They like to include veterans benefits  The Wizard   Mar-29-11 10:01 AM   #146 
  - When warmongering psychopaths own the media.  Gregorian   Mar-29-11 10:30 AM   #148 
  - And it isn't even that we as individuals pay into it. Some of us did  jwirr   Mar-29-11 11:01 AM   #150 
  - True dat. I think we need to sack the Republican Party as a viable legitimate electable party.  earcandle   Mar-29-11 11:48 AM   #152 
  - only entitlements for: corporations and the rich, it's called  katty   Mar-29-11 12:08 PM   #154 
  - Shut up and drink your tea.  Kablooie   Mar-29-11 12:15 PM   #155 
  - Social Security isn't a 401(k)  DefenseLawyer   Mar-29-11 12:22 PM   #157 
  - It's so broken, not sure discussion now helps anyway.  SoulSearcher   Mar-29-11 12:43 PM   #161 
     - Actually it isn't broken at all  DefenseLawyer   Mar-29-11 01:04 PM   #165 
     - Bullshit....Social Security is NOT "broken".  bvar22   Mar-29-11 01:42 PM   #176 
  - whenever i hear social security referred to  DesertFlower   Mar-29-11 12:33 PM   #158 
  - When Wall Street  Turbineguy   Mar-29-11 01:12 PM   #168 
  - It's a transfer program, NOT an entitlement!  colorado_ufo   Mar-29-11 01:15 PM   #169 
  - What we thought was ours, is actually theirs  peace frog   Mar-29-11 01:57 PM   #177 
  - C'mon people. Don't be foolish...  Corruption Winz   Mar-29-11 02:52 PM   #179 
 

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